Well thanks WHT for holding what looked like a legitamate "bidding" for an enom account.

This brings up the fact and question on weither WHT should even hold such bids and sales. WHT is not ebay, and it was my mistake to take advantage of an easy way to get something.

I bid on an enom account from Dave@****** in another thread, after the fact (after i sent my money to dave@******.com) i learned that the primary seller was banned from WHT.

I also learned that after I had sent my money, the return address was t i m @ p a r a d i s e- d e s i g n s. n e t

that is what first tipped me off. I then requested an immedite refund from this dave guy, time after time, he stated "he would refund it in a few hours" which is another typical lie that would come from Tim

So this morning, i emailed him to ask where my refund was, he stated "well remove the paypal dispute and we can talk" hahahahha

Seems Timmys not to good at blackmailing.


Now back to my orginal question and issue. There is no way for anyone to know if something being sold on WHT is legitmate, even if its from a poster with 0 posts or 2000 posts. There has to be something done regarding this. If its banning "bidding" then soo be it. If you want to do things right, then go to Ebay.

I made the mistake and because of that, I want to make sure it never happens to me or anyone else again.

And what about the other issue, why the hell does this little prick keep popping up? (Timmy) time after time it seems he keeps showing his little fat face around. I thought what the smart thing to do is when someone is banned, their ip (block) is banned as well?

He gets round the bans on his ip block by using a proxy. The best thing to do is request a meeting with his parents, drive over there and explain the whole situation. If a group of you guys would get together, you might be able to scare the hell out of him.

His parents are apparently strict and don't let him out of the house, so maybe talking to them might have an effect..... talking face-to-face with Timmy present, so he can't worm his way out later. Take along proof of what he's doing and sort this thing for good.

Even I'm getting sick of him.

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
. . . . . .WHT is not ebay, and it was my mistake to take advantage of an easy way to get something. . . . . . Exactly. I don't know what you expect of WHT. They are not being paid to allow the Advertising Forums. You can't expect every seller to be verified. If you want things run like eBay, you should go to eBay.

I feel for anyone that gets scammed by some of the scum that inhabit that forum. But, I would not expect WHT to hold my hand while I was attempting to negotiate. If I wanted handholding, I'd go to a legitate auction house.

And there are far too many proxies available to ban every IP Tim Petty would come from.

Don't get me wrong; I hate the way that punk rips off members (and anyone else for that matter). But, I think we need to take some responsibility for our own actions.

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
Exactly. I don't know what you expect of WHT. They are not being paid to allow the Advertising Forums. You can't expect every seller to be verified. If you want things run like eBay, you should go to eBay.

I feel for anyone that gets scammed by some of the scum that inhabit that forum. But, I would not expect WHT to hold my hand while I was attempting to negotiate. If I wanted handholding, I'd go to a legitate auction house.

And there are far too many proxies available to ban every IP Tim Petty would come from.

Don't get me wrong; I hate the way that punk rips off members (and anyone else for that matter). But, I think we need to take some responsibility for our own actions.


:agree:

but why bother even dealing through timmy? contact paypal asap t oget your money back.

My point being, why cant rules be put IN PLACE for the advertising area, anyone off the street can as of right now, signup, and make their first post a advertisment.

Why cant we set some rules in place so that the new member will provide to the community rather then immeditly take from it.

IE: something like you need at least 50 posts to post anywhere in the advertsiments area (excluding the request area)

Originally posted by Fazel3
He gets round the bans on his ip block by using a proxy. The best thing to do is request a meeting with his parents, drive over there and explain the whole situation. . . . . I'm half tempted to buy something from him just so I can drive the eight hours there. I wish, just one of the persons' he's scammed would do something.

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
My point being, why cant rules be put IN PLACE for the advertising area, anyone off the street can as of right now, signup, and make their first post a advertisment.

Why cant we set some rules in place so that the new member will provide to the community rather then immeditly take from it.

IE: something like you need at least 50 posts to post anywhere in the advertsiments area (excluding the request area)

the problem is it's hard to setup those specific rules, and let's not forget that post counts dont mean jack $!@# on these forums. The seller could just as easily commit fraud with 50 posts.

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
. . . . . .
IE: something like you need at least 50 posts to post anywhere in the advertsiments area (excluding the request area) What did Timmy have? 2000 posts?

Originally posted by Fazel3
He gets round the bans on his ip block by using a proxy. The best thing to do is request a meeting with his parents, drive over there and explain the whole situation. If a group of you guys would get together, you might be able to scare the hell out of him.
Yep, I agree 100%. Get all the evidence together and arrange a meeting with his parents. Something has to be done to stop this con_kid in his tracks. :eek3:

Well as soon as I'm done taking UH off my hands I'm driving to NC...I supposed I *could* make a stop in Kentucky....what's his address and phone # again?

Gary: Are you a US citizen/resident?

what is his email on paypal? maybe we could all complain together to paypal to cancel his account and refund the money

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
My point being, why cant rules be put IN PLACE for the advertising area, anyone off the street can as of right now, signup, and make their first post a advertisment.

Why cant we set some rules in place so that the new member will provide to the community rather then immeditly take from it.

IE: something like you need at least 50 posts to post anywhere in the advertsiments area (excluding the request area)
I asked for something like this many months ago and it didn't fly too well. Maybe a points system where you need a certian amount of points to make a post in the ad_forums. ??

Paypal won't help get your money back, especially as it's over virtual goods, which their buyer complaint procedure doesn't cover.

It's a tough rule, but I'm glad as recently it helped me against a fraudulent buyer. You probably won't see your money again but if you're really determined, get a group together and pay his a visit... for the good of everyone on WHT.

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
I'm half tempted to buy something from him just so I can drive the eight hours there. I wish, just one of the persons' he's scammed would do something.

1)Hey everyone here is the short answer Call PayPal and tell them timmy a minor is using their service. That is a big No-No and they will yank his account so fast his head will spin.

Just a tip.

2)Ebay is no more secure than this forum sorry. People get scammed on eBay every day.

3)I think at this point everyone should be aware not to buy anything from timmy...

4)You shouldnt buy anything without a conversation first. Preferably a telephone call unless you have a whole lot of people telling how reputable someone is.

aNc

Originally posted by Aussie Bob

Yep, I agree 100%. Get all the evidence together and arrange a meeting with his parents. Something has to be done to stop this con_kid in his tracks. :eek3:

I just got off the phone with Tim SR. and it sounds, whats been heard before many times, he has never heard anything about Jr's dealings. The number i called was 270-586-0320 which i found in other threads. He did tell me he was Tim SR, he did have an older mans sounding voice (nothing like 16 etc)

I am a US citizen, and I already did a paypal dispute, they've given tim 10 days to refund my money.

Tim SR sounds like he just doesnt care what JR does, he didnt sound to strict either, all he said was "he would look into it"

the paypal i sent to was dave@v 3 h o s t.com

Gary call him back up again and tell him that as Tim Jr's guardian he can face jailtime and hefty fines for his son's actions...

I in no way support timmy as blatantly clear by my posts but I dont think it a wise choice to post a minors home number in a public forum as that could be trouble for you. You might want to edit that out.

PP dispute is different than hey this kids a minor. It IS illegal for timmy to use PP because you are entering into a contract by using their service and Timmy can not do this as Timmy is a minor;) Trust me Call them and tell them he is a minor I have seen this happen they will whoop him sensless.

aNc

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
What did Timmy have? 2000 posts?


But what did this new user have Dave (V 3 H O S T) 20?

Theres no easy way to handle this, thats why there needs to be something done

either

1. setup rules which will can protect the buyer
2. dont allow it period

Sure people get screwed on Ebay, its the same concept you see the username (XXXX) right next to them, I learned along time ago on ebay never to bid on products from a person with less then 500 reviews

It would be better if there was a flood of calls to his house. Gather up everyone who's been scammed by him (I'm sure that will be a very easy task), and get them to ring Tim's father up. As well as mentioning what Akash just asked you to say, tell him that you want precise directions to their location, and arrange a time to see him.

It would prove once and for all to Tim that people aren't full of hot air. Make the trip and do something about the con artist, each time he gets away with a scam, his confidence increases.

I remember having parents evening at school many years ago, for most kids that's one of the most stressful nights of their lives. If you have had something similar, recall the feelings you had on that day (providing you weren't the class goody) and try to put Tim through the same.

dave whatever is just an email address and you can add any number of email addresses. I bet it is still timmy's account just with a dummy email address. Or someone should find the real dave and let him know what little timmy is doing!

I personally think people should have to register for the advertising forums before being allowed to post.. provide some kind of evidence of who they are to wht, even pay a setup fee for the time it takes wht to verify the advertising account - I would be willing to pay for that - It might just stop some scams.. ya never know.. what do you think to that idea folks?

But what did this new user have Dave (V 3 H O S T) 20?

Hold on a moment.

v3 host is the new name for Advantahost who had dealings with Tim. R K Raja sold the company and it changed names. R K Raja said Tim wasn't running it, didn't own it and had nothing to do with it. Obviously that was a lie.

You should have picked up on that, the thread was on this main forum for a few days (the whole v3 host / advantahost bull$hit)

heres proof that the paypal that i sent to dave@v 3 h o s t.com was actually sent to Tim Petty

Notice the transids are identical, meaning it wasnt like Dave forwarded the money to Tim, Tim was the guy who accepted the money, and who the money was sent to, again setup under one of his sub email accounts that you can setup with paypal


What Tim forgot was the fact that no matter what email you use to send the money too, the reply email is always sent from the primary email on the paypal account.

Ok then tell PP. That easy. Then stop using PP:) Just me personal hatred for them;)

Gary:
1) Call/Email paypal. Tell them you have proof of fraudulent practices involving a PayPal account. Precedent has been set (in maryland i think), where PayPal was named in a small claims suit (along with the defendant and ebay), for fraudulent practices. They'll act quickly and freeze tim's account

2) Call timmy up again and let him know that you are prepared to file a small claims suit monday morning

3) call up a lawyer and file a small claims suit. you might be able to file it in your home district since this is an internet thing, but ask your lawyer to make sure.

You guys have to start taking action against timmy.

If you want more proof, im ready for it. I can show you the headers of emails I got from Dave and Tim, which any idiot will realize that its from the same network

Originally posted by Fazel3


Hold on a moment.

v3 host is the new name for Advantahost who had dealings with Tim. R K Raja sold the company and it changed names. R K Raja said Tim wasn't running it, didn't own it and had nothing to do with it. Obviously that was a lie.

You should have picked up on that, the thread was on this main forum for a few days (the whole v3 host / advantahost bull$hit) Maybe the rule should be that you should read this forum enough to know all that. It wasn't rocket science to figure it all out. But, it does call for paying attention.

And Dave said in PM he was not Tim

Gary:
1) Call/Email paypal. Tell them you have proof of fraudulent practices involving a PayPal account. Precedent has been set (in maryland i think), where PayPal was named in a small claims suit (along with the defendant and ebay), for fraudulent practices. They'll act quickly and freeze tim's account

2) Call timmy up again and let him know that you are prepared to file a small claims suit monday morning

3) call up a lawyer and file a small claims suit. you might be able to file it in your home district since this is an internet thing, but ask your lawyer to make sure.

You guys have to start taking action against timmy.

Tim's a minor, is there something i've missed here? Are you suggesting filing a small claims suit against Tim's father?

Are you suggesting filing a small claims suit against Tim's father

Yes, of course ;)

I wonder if WHT is technically legally liable for actions of fraud on the forum? This is a commercial forum afterall. Just a thought.

I feel a baseball bat to the kid's head might be more beneficial at times... but I guess that's just me.

Originally posted by Aussie Bob
I wonder if WHT is technically legally liable for actions of fraud on the forum? This is a commercial forum afterall. Just a thought.

Technically they can be, but the disclaimer at the end of the rules *might* be sufficient to save Robert's behind...;)

WHT could be liable if they dont have a "use at your own risk" policy stated somewhere. They do right?

aNc

Originally posted by Samuel
And Dave said in PM he was not Tim

When I publicly asked him on the forums, he said the same thing. I think it was in some thread that complained about Burst shutting someone's server down. (Think that guy was Timmy too...) I'm sure the mods could dig up that thread if they were so inclined.

Originally posted by Aussie Bob
I wonder if WHT is technically legally liable for actions of fraud on the forum? This is a commercial forum afterall. Just a thought.

Thats what i was thinking when i wrote my orginal post, yet i didnt know how to word it.

Originally posted by lightnin


When I publicly asked him on the forums, he said the same thing. I think it was in some thread that complained about Burst shutting someone's server down. (Think that guy was Timmy too...) I'm sure the mods could dig up that thread if they were so inclined. That was obviously Tim.

I would first like to say,

1. I'm not Dave and Dave isnt' me.
2. I don't owe Gary money and have no clue what he is talking about.
3. I have offered to pay Gary (even I don't owe him) if he can't contact the Dave.

I'm willing to work with him even though I don't owe him a penny. I'm willing to work out a deal from the beginning. After being contacted I have contacted Gary about the matter and offered to pay him if Dave wouldn't. As I'm not Dave I have no control over his actions.

Great...he has multiple personalities now!

Call the Enquirer! Timmy didn't just get mad...HE SPLIT!! :D

Originally posted by lightnin
Great...he has multiple personalities now!

Call the Enquirer! Timmy didn't just get mad...HE SPLIT!! :D


HAHHAHa :confused:

If you're not Dave, how do you explain your email address being a part of this PayPal transaction?

You'll pay him $65 even though in your opinion you don't have a clue what he's on about.

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Originally posted by TimOwesNoMon
. . . . . .
I'm willing to work with him even though I don't owe him a penny. . . . . . Yep. Always gregarious. Always willing to work something out.

Originally posted by Jtru
If you're not Dave, how do you explain your email address being a part of this PayPal transaction?


Dave, had purchased an account from me and asked me to enter his e-mail in my PayPal for a few minutes whle he did that then he would add it back to his afterwards. Dave, had gotten an account from us since we had an extra one and he wanted Gary to pay us directly cause he had plans to purchase an item off of us. From what I understand.


Why he didn't use his account and send it to me then? I have no idea guess he figured with teh fees it would make it easier.

Originally posted by TimOwesNoMon



Dave, had purchased an account from me and asked me to enter his e-mail in my PayPal for a few minutes whle he did that then he would add it back to his afterwards. Dave, had gotten an account from us since we had an extra one and he wanted Gary to pay him directly cause he had plans to purchase an item off of us. From what I understand.

*cough* Bull**** *cough*

Dave, had purchased an account from me and asked me to enter his e-mail in my PayPal for a few minutes whle he did that then he would add it back to his afterwards. Dave, had gotten an account from us since we had an extra one and he wanted Gary to pay him directly cause he had plans to purchase an item off of us. From what I understand.

Could you try explaining that in clear, concise english. My head hurts just looking at that mess.

Originally posted by TimOwesNoMon



Dave, had purchased an account from me and asked me to enter his e-mail in my PayPal for a few minutes whle he did that then he would add it back to his afterwards. Dave, had gotten an account from us since we had an extra one and he wanted Gary to pay him directly cause he had plans to purchase an item off of us. From what I understand.


That is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard in my life. I can retire now as I have heard it all. Gee PP doesnt charge for account to account transferes so why not just have him transfer it to you after he got it?

aNc

Dave == Timmy 2: Electric Bugaloo :laugh:

Originally posted by acameron



That is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard in my life. I can retire now as I have heard it all. Gee PP doesnt charge for account to account transferes so why not just have him transfer it to you after he got it?

aNc


Excuse Me, They do take out a % of everytime you pay money. Get your crap out of here. :eek:

Originally posted by akash


*cough* Bull**** *cough*



No, Bull**** here.

Moderators: The truth about this matter is out and time to close this thread.

Gary, can now handle this with Dave and come to myself if needed. Anyways. Close her up:)

No, Bull**** here.

Read what you just wrote!
:D

i think as with all other threads...this one should stay open until gary gets his money back

Originally posted by TimOwesNoMon
Moderators: The truth about this matter is out and time to close this thread.

Gary, can now handle this with Dave and come to myself if needed. Anyways. Close her up:) Go figure. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by TimOwesNoMon
Moderators: The truth about this matter is out and time to close this thread.
Gee :D a "Mods please close this thread" only on the 4th page too. :emlaugh:

http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/fees-outside

Gee ok.

Originally posted by Aussie Bob

Gee :D a "Mods please close this thread" only on the 4th page too. :emlaugh:


Oh Yea, My favorite word why not. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by acameron
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/fees-outside

Gee ok.


Receive Funds Free 0.7% + 30¢ to 2.9% + 30¢

Hey this is new:

PayPal charges Premier and Business accounts to receive payments. Personal accounts are free, but may not receive credit card payments.


God PP sucks.

Are you still here??

We need more mods.

Oh jesus my bullcrap meter just went off the scale.

"I'm willing to pay someone $65 that I don't honestly owe them" I can't believe this for a minute, if I really didn't owe the man any money I'd be darned if I'd pay him. Tim's up to his old tricks, these forums are full of his crap.

The sad thing is it's such small amounts it's not worth it for anyone to do anything substantial to go after their money. $65 here, $100 there, $20 someplace else. Just to file a small claim's court case here is (around) $165 if you win, the loser has to pay the judgement PLUS the $165 court costs, if you lose you're out $165. At this point if it were me I'd probably spend the $165 just to file and get a judgement against him knowing I'd probably collect neither. Let his dad get a couple judgements on his credit record and watch him suddenly CARE A LOT about what little Timmy's up to.

If you don't show up for court, you lose by default, that's what they told me when I was about to file against a non paying renter.

It's the principle of the thing, go ahead and get a lawyer's advice, file what he says you can probably win, and do something about this person.

If I were in your shoes, I'd spend a few hundred just to get a judgement against Timmy Sr then have your lawyer report him to all the credit agencies if he doesn't pay, if he pays, well you got paid!

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
Are you still here??

We need more mods.


Oh Yea, Make me a moderator :D. I would boot the bad guys. It just about went into consideration back sometime ago :D. TimPD would have been a moderator. WHOHO. Wouldn't that rock then we wouldn't be here now.:cool:

So timmy the minor you are telling us you have a business account with PP?

Favorite Saying, not word! :)

You really are a fool aren't ya!

and 0.7% is not even 1% of the transaction. If you can pay someone who you don't think you owe $65 with no hesitation why are you counting pennies now??

It's funny he is right about getting the Fee though for a business account. It used to be free to send money from an account that had a positive balance. Again GOD PP sucks

this isn't about paypal...start a new thread in the lounge for your ranting about paypal

Originally posted by acameron
It's funny he is right about getting the Fee though for a business account. It used to be free to send money from an account that had a positive balance. Again GOD PP sucks



Yep, I'm right you got that right:). No, no one ever said I was a minor for sure :).

Hmm. Let me get up a list of who would have been banned by now if I was a moderator.

Originally posted by TimOwesNoMon
Moderators: The truth about this matter is out and time to close this thread.

Gary, can now handle this with Dave and come to myself if needed. Anyways. Close her up:)

Yes, Tim. The truth is out

1. You setup an alternate ego on Paypal to hide your identity on WHT so you can fraud more people

2. It blew up in your face when you forgot that Paypal sends the $$ accepted email from the primary account, not the 2ndary accounts

3. Nothings been handled as far as I can tell, except the usual lies. I still don't have my money. You have it

Originally posted by TimOwesNoMon




Yep, I'm right you got that right:). No, no one ever said I was a minor for sure :). Not here. But, you've confirmed it other places.

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf


Yes, Tim. The truth is out

1. You setup an alternate ego on Paypal to hide your identity on WHT so you can fraud more people

2. It blew up in your face when you forgot that Paypal sends the $$ accepted email from the primary account, not the 2ndary accounts

3. Nothings been handled as far as I can tell, except the usual lies. I still don't have my money. You have it



No, I didn't setup an identity. I stated above Dave isn't me.... I will not get involved unless dave won't send you the money.

Well when your alter ego gets out of your azz, be sure to send me my money, because "Dave" hasnt sent me anything

Originally posted by TimOwesNoMon




Yep, I'm right you got that right:). No, no one ever said I was a minor for sure :).

Hey nut case I KNOW YOU! I know you are a minor!

Hey Guys Check my signature :).

Vote For TIm http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91008!

Timmy, do you realize how screwed you'd be if someone took you to court?
All the money that you. Now that you've impersonated some Dave guy, there's another offense. You lied about your age on paypal. So there's another... sheesh just rack them all up.

Originally posted by akash
this isn't about paypal...start a new thread in the lounge for your ranting about paypal

No ranting;) Just admitting I was wrong:)

I also would like Rackshacks Headsurfer in on this, and to comment as it does have to do with the integreity of a community in which he purchased. (see previous posts regarding rules / banning etc)

Seems at the end of the day Headsurfer would want to secure his purchase and make this community as stable as possible when services and products are sold in this public forums, specially when your talking about fraud and liablity

Originally posted by TimOwesNoMon
Hmm. Let me get up a list of who would have been banned by now if I was a moderator.

The difference is though that you're not. Get a life.

Originally posted by inogenius
Timmy, do you realize how screwed you'd be if someone took you to court?
All the money that you. Now that you've impersonated some Dave guy, there's another offense. You lied about your age on paypal. So there's another... sheesh just rack them all up.


Excuse Me, I'm not Dave. I didn't lie about my age to PayPal. I don't rack nothing up. Actually anyone that we owe money to in general such as PowerSurge & Vortech knows that they're getting it.

the problem isn't the rules....

we have to make the WHT consumers aware of what could happen here at WHT and Robert needs to add some sort of disclaimer and more policing...

Originally posted by TimOwesNoMon



Excuse Me, I'm not Dave. I didn't lie about my age to PayPal. I don't rack nothing up. Actually anyone that we owe money to in general such as PowerSurge & Vortech knows that they're getting it.

tim how much do you still owe to the various companies?

Guys, http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=709745 Vote For Tim. :D

Originally posted by TimOwesNoMon

. . . . . . that they're getting it. They would likely agree they're getting something. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
They would likely agree they're getting something. :rolleyes:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91008 Vote For me :).

Just in, from the billing department....

Originally posted by timechange
Just in, from the billing department....

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91008 VOTE FOR TIM :) Time Change!

Originally posted by timechange
Just in, from the billing department....
:emlaugh:

:confused: Tim again

Originally posted by Aussie Bob

:emlaugh:


Aussie, go vote for http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91008 TIM ;). Vote Yes!

Originally posted by TimOwesNoMon



Excuse Me, I'm not Dave. I didn't lie about my age to PayPal. I don't rack nothing up. Actually anyone that we owe money to in general such as PowerSurge & Vortech knows that they're getting it.

How long have you been saying that?

Originally posted by ForumsAddict
:confused: Tim again


http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91008 Vote for Tim For your new WHT Mod.

will do :D




(in hell) :angry:

Ok its about time someone says it... If all of you that have been ripped off would go here "The Internet Fraud Complaint Center (IFCC)" From what I read he has crossed state lines so the FBI will come down hard on this if the $$ amount is up there. Here is the link to file a complaint:

http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp

-Chris

Originally posted by radv
Ok its about time someone says it... If all of you that have been ripped off would go here "The Internet Fraud Complaint Center (IFCC)" From what I read he has crossed state lines so the FBI will come down hard on this if the $$ amount is up there. Here is the link to file a complaint:

http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp

-Chris


http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91008 Vote for Tim For your new WHT Mod.



Yea Right :).


http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91008 Vote for Tim For your new WHT Mod.

Thanks Chris. I'm sure that link will very helpful.

Ok I am out of this thread this has just gone right to nowhere land. And Tim YOU ARE A MINOR! Dont be such a sally and fess up.

Originally posted by Fazel3
Thanks Chris. I'm sure that link will very helpful.


http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91008 Vote for Tim For your new WHT Mod.

Originally posted by radv
Ok its about time someone says it... If all of you that have been ripped off would go here. . . . . I think they have more fun bitchin here. Seems he only rips them off just enough money that they don't mind losing it.

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
I think they have more fun bitchin here. Seems he only rips them off just enough money that they don't mind losing it.


http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91008 Vote for Tim For your new WHT Mod.



Didn't rip anyone off .

You guys.....your leg is being pulled collectively. TimOwesNoMon
is not the real Tim, someone is having a Friday joke on the expense of Alaskanwolf and the rest of us.

Tim's trying to get this post closed and deleted by throwing in those links to his moderator poll.

I think we've cleared the issue, so refrain from posting, it will make it easier for the mods to clean the thread up.

can someone PM me Tims contact details

Are you sure Timechange?

Tim was online at the time of the start of this thread.

Originally posted by Fazel3
Are you sure Timechange?

Tim was online at the time of the start of this thread.


http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91008 Vote for Tim For your new WHT Mod.

Originally posted by timechange
You guys.....your leg is being pulled collectively. TimOwesNoMon
is not the real Tim, someone is having a Friday joke on the expense of Alaskanwolf and the rest of us.


:emlaugh:

Figures!

Originally posted by acameron
Figures!

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91008 Vote for Tim For your new WHT Mod.

Tim, if it's really who you claim to be, which domain did I host with you at Para.dise-De.signs?

Originally posted by timechange
Tim, if it's really who you claim to be, which domain did I host with you at Para.dise-De.signs?


votefortimatwht.com. :scatter:

Wrong answer.

Stop wasting your time folks, this is not timmah.

Originally posted by timechange
Wrong answer.

Stop wasting your time folks, this is not timmah.



Maybe, timechange.com ?

Once again, here I am working with cases involving Tim. This time i'm not defending him.

It appears Gary bought a enom account for $65.00, sent payment to dave@******.com through paypal. Gary then recieved a reciept from Tims email address but never recieved his enom account. Tim had an excuse of why it was his email address, it may sound like a reasonable excuse depending on whether or not you want to believe it or not. It was Tims fault for not resetting the email back to its original name so Tim is responsible for this mistake. Tim has offered to pay Gary $65.00 out of it being his fault, not saying that Tim did actually commit fraud. I do agree with Tims decision to pay $65.00 to Gary even though Tim claims not to have commit this fraud.

Originally posted by OverSkilled
Once again, here I am working with cases involving Tim. This time i'm not defending him.

It appears Gary bought a enom account for $65.00, sent payment to dave@******.com through paypal. Gary then recieved a reciept from Tims email address but never recieved his enom account. Tim had an excuse of why it was his email address, it may sound like a reasonable excuse depending on whether or not you want to believe it or not. It was Tims fault for not resetting the email back to its original name so Tim is responsible for this mistake. Tim has offered to pay Gary $65.00 out of it being his fault, not saying that Tim did actually try to commit fraud. I do agree with Tims decision to pay $65.00 to Gary even though Tim claims not to have commit this fraud.


http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showt...&threadid=91008 Vote for Tim For your new WHT Mod.

uh . . . right . . . . that makes sense . . . . suuuuure

Originally posted by TimOwesNoMon




Maybe, timechange.com ?

Nope. Sorry dude. Cut it out because no matter what timPD has done, right now you are doing something equally wrong.

yes it is timmy, because talking to him on ICQ demanding my money, he gave me the retarded url to his voting crap

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
yes it is timmy, because talking to him on ICQ demanding my money, he gave me the retarded url to his voting crap



Maybe it isn't. :cartman:

Right. If it ain't Timmy; somone's really done their homework.

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
Right. If it ain't Timmy; somone's really done their homework.

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showt...&threadid=91008 Vote for Tim For your new WHT Mod.

Maybe it's Tim's dad, having had a bottle of moonshine :cartman:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showt...&threadid=91008 Vote for Tim For your new WHT Mod.

Originally posted by timechange
Maybe it's Tim's dad, having had a bottle of moonshine :cartman:


http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showt...&threadid=91008 Vote for Tim For your new WHT Mod.

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showt...&threadid=91008 Vote for Tim For your new WHT Mod.

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf


I just got off the phone with Tim SR. and it sounds, whats been heard before many times, he has never heard anything about Jr's dealings. The number i called was 270-586-0320 which i found in other threads. He did tell me he was Tim SR, he did have an older mans sounding voice (nothing like 16 etc)

I am a US citizen, and I already did a paypal dispute, they've given tim 10 days to refund my money.

Tim SR sounds like he just doesnt care what JR does, he didnt sound to strict either, all he said was "he would look into it"

Had to be someone else, Timmy sounds like a girl on the phone. I actaully thought he was a girl till he told me was a sir, then my boss told me he was a minor;) 13 in fact of course this was a little over a year ago.

Now that I have disbled email notifications I am really gone;)

Originally posted by acameron


Had to be someone else, Timmy sounds like a girl on the phone. I actaully thought he was a girl till he told me was a sir, then my boss told me he was a minor;) 13 in fact of course this was a little over a year ago.

Now that I have disbled email notifications I am really gone;)



http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showt...&threadid=91008 Vote for Tim For your new WHT Mod.

How do we know this is Timmah full stop? Any joe Blow can come in here and say Hi Im timmah.

And thats it. And all you pychologist on WHT i know thats Timmahe i can see it in his writing etc. Seriously get a grip.

Are you suffering from Post Timmah stress or something..

Sorry for being a touch off the current topic and i feel for anyone that lost money to fraud boy tim but thats how it is. Its the Internet and sometimes things are not what they seem.

People scam in real life face to face. Of course they can do it better on the Internet with multiple faces, multiple Ips etc.

Hail Tim - You still get around even when a whole forum is against you.. i think he has talent ;)

Kind regards
Phillip

Originally posted by Choppy
How do we know this is Timmah full stop? Any joe Blow can come in here and say Hi Im timmah.

And thats it. And all you pychologist on WHT i know thats Timmahe i can see it in his writing etc. Seriously get a grip.

Are you suffering from Post Timmah stress or something..

Sorry for being a touch of the current topic and i feel for anyone that lost money to fraud boy tim but thats how it is. Its the Internet and sometimes things are not what they seem.

People scam in real life face to face. Of course they can do it better on the Internet with multiple faces, multiple Ips etc.

Hail Tim - You still get around even when a whole forum is against you.. i think he has talent ;)

Kind regards
Phillip



Na, TIMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmah isn't a scam.

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91025

LOL! 20,000? :mad:

Originally posted by SBY Mike
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91025

LOL! 20,000? :mad:


Sorry, Typo should be $50,000.

Update: as of yet, i still have yet to get a refund from either Tim or his alter ego Dave

I think you could fill this forum up with posts like that, Gary.

sad isnt it :rolleyes:

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
I think you could fill this forum up with posts like that, Gary.
Yep. I don't think Timmy comprehends his actions. I feel sympathy for him and hope he gets some professional help.

HAHA its so sad in fact that he really needs to stop having his mom and dad teach him at home school.

4:28 pm - ICQ from Tim
You have received a message!
if you don't get a refund within 1 - 2 hours contact me again I will process it msyelf

5:07 pm - ICQ to Timmy (39 minutes later)
You have sent a message!
still no money timmy

6:37 pm - ICQ from Timmy (2 hours 9 minutes later)
You have received a message!
You will deal with what I give you. Cause I don't have it in paypal atm and I got clients to pay me. So it is 1-2 horus


6:37 pm - ICQ to Timmy/Dave
You have sent a message!
funny you cant even keep track of the promises you even give yourself! funny its 6:37 pm now...2 hours 9 minutes

6:37 pm - ICQ from Timmy/Dave
You have received a message!
Nope, anyways I will contact you again in about 1 hour and 30 minutes with it. Until then you will go on my ignore list


Seems thats the easiest thing for timmy to do, im fed up with him, can someone PLEASE email me promptly that has history with Tim, such as his mailing address, his home address, phone numbers, faxes, everything. Its time i look into a small claims, Im just honestly tired of his little **** thinking he can get away with all this BS

gary did you call that number again?

no i havent, i been busy researching small claims in the state of KY :)

First of all, you can stop calling Dave, "Dave". As far as I can tell, Tim has stepped beyond his normal activities and now uses aliases.

Second...

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
Well thanks WHT for holding what looked like a legitamate "bidding" for an enom account.

Now back to my orginal question and issue. There is no way for anyone to know if something being sold on WHT is legitmate, even if its from a poster with 0 posts or 2000 posts. There has to be something done regarding this. If its banning "bidding" then soo be it. If you want to do things right, then go to Ebay.
Yes, "there is no way for anyone to know if something being sold on WHT is legitmate, even if its from a poster with 0 posts or 2000 posts." I don't give money to people I don't know, but it seems others are quick to do so without checking things out first. When in doubt, blame the forum. No one has been ripped off by Ebay and they don't sell enom accounts there?

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
My point being, why cant rules be put IN PLACE for the advertising area, anyone off the street can as of right now, signup, and make their first post a advertisment.

Why cant we set some rules in place so that the new member will provide to the community rather then immeditly take from it.

IE: something like you need at least 50 posts to post anywhere in the advertsiments area (excluding the request area)
That decision is up to Robert. If he wants to require members to have x posts before posting an ad, then so be it. This will increase spam posted on the main forums, and do nothing to prevent what happened to you (see below), thus it seems like another issue.

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
But what did this new user have Dave (V 3 H O S T) 20?

Theres no easy way to handle this, thats why there needs to be something done

either

1. setup rules which will can protect the buyer
2. dont allow it period

Sure people get screwed on Ebay, its the same concept you see the username (XXXX) right next to them, I learned along time ago on ebay never to bid on products from a person with less then 500 reviews
This user had 63 posts, more than your recommended 50, not 20. Tim had many more than this. What rules can be set up to protect the buyer? What rules are set up to protect the buyer anywhere? If an individual wants to rip you off, the only thing you can do is go after them after the fact.

People are very quick to sign up for the cheapest of everything, then they get ripped off, then they complain. You got ripped off by an individual and now need to follow the proper channels to try to get your money back.

The problem is, I got ripped off by a member of the WHT community which was an alias for Timmy. If i have known this before i sent my paypal (which i have already put in for a dispute...) I would never have sent the money in the first place.

Yet you guys knew very well that this guy was up to no good, since after looking at my post for a $65 enom account, (after seeing timmys email in the reply address of paypal) the orginal poster had been banned, see how ironic that is? Here i bid on what i think was a legitmate bid, 2 days later, send the paypal, get back an email with tims info, and the same day, see that this guy was already banned. Yet, no courtesy email saying "hey watch out....Dave is really Timmy, that bid you put in...might as well throw that out to door"

Either way, I was ripped off and it was done in a public forum, which as Bob said, WHT can also be held liable to an extent, I would imagine even if you had all the "beware" (Sorta like the beware of dog signs that you post...now these days, even if you have such a post, someone goes into your yard...and get bit, your still liable...etc...its been shown case after case that public entities and companies can and will be held liable

That's why I am bringing up the fact for Robert to get into this so that he can look into the matter of allowing bidding, auctions etc...on WHT.

Maybe im not giving good ideas, but there 15,000 other members on this board that likely do have a better idea then what i given.

Thats interesting, I notified moderators about 3 days ago that Pixelone, (Dave), was in fact timmy.

I think the thing that pisses off AlaskanWolf so bad is had he KNOWN he was dealing with Tim he'da NEVER sent the money. But now we have Timmy boy in here under at least the 10th alias I've seen him use so far.

Had that post been by "TimPD" you couldn't have wrenched the money out of his hand with a crowbar, but he thought he was dealing with a dude named Dave.

Yeah he might should have been more careful but how much is enough? "Fax me your photo" and he sends a stock photo :)

Gary, while I'm behind you 100% for getting yours against timmy, WHT can not be held liable for every poster's actions. Did you send your money to the PayPal address BEFORE confirming the win with pixelone (timmy)?

Akash, depends on when he sent the money.

There was notification to the moderators that indeed Timmy was here in this case.

Right, but did the mods know he had posted an auction in the forums BEFORE they banned him?

No, i think they knew a few days ago, would have to look it up to be sure.

EDIT: note was sent - 11-17-2002 08:24 PM

This is when Moderators were notified, give or take an hour.

Originally posted by Samuel
Thats interesting, I notified moderators about 3 days ago that Pixelone, (Dave), was in fact timmy.
Yes, your report:

This is timmy, i received an email the other day with the same underage "Speak" for lack of a better term. Sailor has moved to support him...
-was investigated and based on this and other information, this user (as well as others) was banned less than 24 hours of the report.

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
WHT can also be held liable to an extent...

That's why I am bringing up the fact for Robert to get into this so that he can look into the matter of allowing bidding, auctions etc...on WHT.
If you get scammed due to replying to a classified ad (or regualr ad from a company) from a newspaper, I'm not quite sure that the newspaper is liable, but I'm no lawyer and won't pretend to be. Common sense doesn't always play a big part in legal issues.

If we removed the ability for members to PM, remove signatures, remove the ad forums, would that do or is there something else we can do to prevent you from being ripped off?

You should:

Contact Paypal regarding the matter. We did, but due to privacy issues (understandable), they were not able to provide us with any information. The good news is that Paypal won't release any information what-so-ever about anyone to a third party, even if you know someone there.

Contact the authorities in which this person resides and/or file a claim in court.

Originally posted by akash
Right, but did the mods know he had posted an auction in the forums BEFORE they banned him?
Obviously he wouldn't have been permitted to post, let alone post an ad, had we known. He would have been banned, thus he couldn't have posted.

He was banned for a forum issue, not a legal one, and we do not deal with legal compaints. There are police and courts for that. If we know that a member scammed another member (and know meaning without a doubt, because really it is hard to know, we're not a court of law here), then we will try to keep the member from ripping off others to the best of our ability.

As I said, we're not here to settle legal issues.

Originally posted by Chicken

Obviously he wouldn't have been permitted to post, let alone post an ad, had we known. He would have been banned, thus he couldn't have posted.

He was banned for a forum issue, not a legal one, and we do not deal with legal compaints. There are police and courts for that.


which is exactly my point. Had the mods known, the ad wouldn't exist.

:agree: Your newspaper analogy is great.

Originally posted by Chicken
If you get scammed due to replying to a classified ad (or regualr ad from a company) from a newspaper, I'm not quite sure that the newspaper is liable, but I'm no lawyer and won't pretend to be. Common sense doesn't always play a big part in legal issues.
I'd advise that Robert gets some legal opinions on this one. Especially when the ad_forums generate revenue with the "Pay for Sticky" positions etc. Duty of care probably would come into play here. IMO, the ad_forums are a liability nightmare. :eek3:

and that goes back to my point, WHT should and needs to have policies in place. If this wasnt over some measley $65, instead maybe a few thousand dollars, im sure if the screwed were to set a real lawsuit in place, WHT would be on that for allowing the transaction to take place in their realm, which in this case is a public forums

Although your analogy is great when it comes to newspapers, this is the "digtial" age, and the laws differ when it comes to computers, telephone lines (etc....etc..) i am not lawyer either, i dont pretend to be one, but your analogy is like comparing the 1950's to the 2000's

Legal opinion on what Bob? There's no legalities involved. I'd like to see a court hold WHT liable because "Samuel" told "Chicken" that "Dave" was "Timmy" and "AlaskanWolf (aka known as Timmy's Pimp)" got scammed as a result.

Far out guys...buyer beware...common sense helps.

Gary

Bob, this may be so (as I said, IANAL and won't pretend to be), however this would mean that any publication or site that allows advertising is liable for the result? Something tells me that this can't be the case.

Example: HostScam advertises in magazines, newspapers, on sites, in hosting directories, here and on other forums, etc. All of these places are liable if someone buys a hosting package and doesn't get services?

Doesn't seem right...

I'm sorry, but what would the policy be?

WHT can't read the minds of it's posters, and post count doesn't seem to matter, so what could they possibly do different? You can't be proactive in most instances like this....you just have to react to the situations as they occur.

I don't see where Robert or WHT would 'logically' have any liability in this, although with our screwed up legal system who knows.

All I see here is someone who got scammed (and I am sorry about that) and wants to place the blame squarely on someone else's shoulders. Well, it's not WHT's fault - and it's not really yours either. It's the scumbag who perpetrated the fraud. THAT IS WHO IS AT FAULT - THE CRIMINAL.

that will be 2 cents please. :)

where am i blaming WHT? This is a community which have discussions am i not correct? :eek:

What i am bringing up is the fact that WHT should have policies / rules in place that will at least set a line of protection for their community members and to protect the owners from liablity so that what happened to me, doesnt happen to others in the future! Its like here im trying to start a discussion of how to setup something (no matter if its just policies or requirements) and im getting kicked myself like him timmy himself!

So please, if you dont have any comments to add to the debate other then "its stupid" keep them to yourself :confused:

<<MOD NOTE: The 'stupid' post was removed>>

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
and that goes back to my point, WHT should and needs to have policies in place.
I don't think the analogy to newspaper ads is too far off, but I won't push the point. Ignore it if you like.

You seem more concerned with WHT's liablility, whereas I am more concerned with doing what we can (what little we can) to prevent it from happening. As Darph Bobo asked, what policies would you recommend? This poster had over 50 posts, so that wouldn't work and Tim had over 1,500.

People need to understand that if they give $65 via paypal to an individual, whether it be here, on an ebay auction, on a web site which sells services, etc., there is a chance they will get scammed.

and the difference between ebay etc...is they have policies in place to at least protect their customers and bidders

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
where am i blaming WHT? This is a community which have discussions am i not correct? :eek:

What i am bringing up is the fact that WHT should have policies / rules in place that will at least set a line of protection for their community members and to protect the owners from liablity so that what happened to me, doesnt happen to others in the future!

So please, if you dont have any comments to add to the debate other then "its stupid" keep them to yourself :confused:

Perhaps I misunderstood your first post:


Well thanks WHT for holding what looked like a legitamate "bidding" for an enom account.

It looked to me like you were holding WHT at fault for not protecting you. If not, my apologies. :)

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
where am i blaming WHT?
Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
Well thanks WHT for holding what looked like a legitamate "bidding" for an enom account.
Anywayyyyy...

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
and the difference between ebay etc...is they have policies in place to at least protect their customers and bidders
None of their policies would protect you from getting scammed. As was said, and you already know, people get scammed on Ebay every day. Policies can only protect you so much.

Edit: Darth is quicker than I.

like i said chicken, theres 15000 able bodies in this community that can come up with better ideas then i could

how about the fact that you guys knew that this guy was Dave ---> Timmy and you didn't notify any of the bidders that had made bids on this enom account that the auction was fraudulent whatever you want to call it and that the guy Dave was really Tim


With that said, it seems WHT should hold some type of responsibility, but yet, its only $65, so big deal, now onto the next subject......which is preventive maintance

We can argue all night, I could care less, my point being, and I will say it again, Robert needs to look into this (and not a moderator (no offence chicken..)...a owner) and see what if anything needs to be changed to protect sellers and buyers that do business on WHT.

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
how about the fact that you guys knew that this guy was Dave ---> Timmy

Do they Gary? Who is Timmy? Who is Samuel (I believe you are referring to Samuel letting a Mod know)? Who am I? Who are you?

I wasn't kicking you with my post above mate...just the notion that WHT could be held liable for this. Mind you...stranger things have happened in the courts of today. :)

Cheers

Gary

(AlaskanWolf) You cant expect them to fawn over posts of banned individuals and then notify people do you?


Editor, I'm only going to ask you one time to quit referring to me.

I've never withheld who I am.

What is this about sailor supporting Timmy? Someone point me to the thread about this because if that were true it would change some of my future plans drastically.

Are you still not blaming WHT? :rolleyes:

Here is the thread that this is all about. Look at it again and tell me that you'd have bid on this:

http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=88998

You bid on this on 11-15-2002 and the thread starter posted that same day that the bidding was over. This was days before it was even reported and looked into and three days before this user was banned.

If we would have known, you would have known.

Originally posted by Editor


Do they Gary? Who is Timmy? Who is Samuel (I believe you are referring to Samuel letting a Mod know)? Who am I? Who are you?

I wasn't kicking you with my post above mate...just the notion that WHT could be held liable for this. Mind you...stranger things have happened in the courts of today. :)

Cheers

Gary


Yes, stranger things have happened, like the liquor store that sold the beer to the guy that just got into an accident and killed 5 people with his car....

Maybe I am missing something here. Did WHT make any money off of that sale? Because if not, you aren't doing business 'on' WHT, you are simply doing business 'through' WHT.

They are there as a venue, but have no financial interest in it at all.

When you do this on Ebay, they have a vested interest to try and keep things clean - after all, it's their livelyhood.

2 more cents please ;)

Dixiesys, it was due to server sale announcements that came from tranact that were obviously timmy sending them (From the transact VB board).

When I confronted sailor about it, I just got attitude and insults. Then took it public, and was ridiculed and insulted some more.
Those posts have since been removed, but the amount of trash that came from Sailor, and the information and instincts I used to determine the relationship between sailor and Timmy, it was enough for me.

To make my point chicken, and we can debate this all night. The point im trying to make is to put in place protection on all fronts, both both WHT and its members, you on the other hand, (i wont go there...)....

If you can forsee nothing even vividly coming reality, just close the thread and throw it away, without even having Robert comment on it......at least we know timmy still is lurking on these forums continuing to fraud people unknownling....

Darph: how do you know? you dont, neither do i.... they got the banners on top, which they make money from....

Originally posted by Samuel
Editor, I'm only going to ask you one time to quit referring to me.

I've never withheld who I am.

I have no idea who you are, and neither does anyone else here. That was my point. I will refer to you in my example if I choose to do so...if you don't want me to then don't post your involvement...simple.

Gary, it's a shame you got done over mate. But there is only one person to blame openly, and that's the guy that robbed you. With a bit of luck Paypal will do the right thing and return your funds.

Cheers

Gary

Hmm that's most disturbing as after all I've read here I would not have anything to do with any company that was in any way professionally involved with TimmyPD, well, other than maybe attempting to collect money where he screwed them too, can't hold that against them I guess. He does seem to be quite skilled at screwing people out of money.

I started a new thread about this problem: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91085

Editor., you're repeating what has already been said in this thread.

Youre only sticking your nose in here because it's interesting so SHAAAAAAAAdup

Originally posted by Dixiesys
...not have anything to do with any company that was in any way professionally involved with TimmyPD, well, other than maybe attempting to collect money where he screwed them too...


Yes, he will say that, but find out why he owes in the first place, you'll see a deeper relationship.

Sailor saw dollars, as you've noted Timmy can scam those dollars, 2 plus 2.

Originally posted by Fazel3
He gets round the bans on his ip block by using a proxy. The best thing to do is request a meeting with his parents, drive over there and explain the whole situation. If a group of you guys would get together, you might be able to scare the hell out of him.

His parents are apparently strict and don't let him out of the house, so maybe talking to them might have an effect..... talking face-to-face with Timmy present, so he can't worm his way out later. Take along proof of what he's doing and sort this thing for good.

Even I'm getting sick of him. Hmmh, Alaska and Kentucky... quite a driving distance...

Originally posted by Samuel
Editor., you're repeating what has already been said in this thread.

Youre only sticking your nose in here because it's interesting so SHAAAAAAAAdup

Somehow I don't find your posts interesting Samuel, but let's stick to the topic.

Gary

Editor, I highly doubt you just told the truth.

Just about every post that you make in the same thread as I, you take a shot at me so I must be sexually attractive to you.

But hey, to each his own.

I get so tired of reading these threads. Sorry to be so blunt, but if people are so damn upset about being screwed, WHO DONT THEY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT?! Getting on wht and posting "proof" to us doesn't do ****.

Oh and how in the hell is Timmy still on this site? Did the mods quit?

Oh and how in the hell is Timmy still on this site? Did the mods quit?

Timmy uses proxies...

Originally posted by Samuel
Editor, I highly doubt you just told the truth.

Just about every post that you make in the same thread as I, you take a shot at me so I must be sexually attractive to you.

But hey, to each his own.

I used your earlier post, on topic, and about this topic. Anything else you conjure up in your mind is your problem.

Gary

Gary, is aware that his refund is coming though within a few hours.. He is not patient enough to wait. I'm doing this nicely. It is Dave's respondisble to refund you not mine but I'm doing it anyway.

Originally posted by akash


Timmy uses proxies...


Nope :). I don't.

:rolleyes:

Why does it take a few hours?

Originally posted by GlideTech
I get so tired of reading these threads. Sorry to be so blunt, but if people are so damn upset about being screwed, WHO DONT THEY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT?! Getting on wht and posting "proof" to us doesn't do ****.

Oh and how in the hell is Timmy still on this site? Did the mods quit?



Oh you poor thing get used to it :).

Originally posted by GlideTech
Oh and how in the hell is Timmy still on this site? Did the mods quit?
Yes we did. Errrr... wait a second, scratch that. If Tim called himself Tim then this wouldn't be a problem. See, people can escape the law and detection by lying and this lying also seems related to their actions which result in people getting ripped off. When you deal with honest, good people, you don't get ripped off.

Unfortunately, the bad guys don't wear t-shirts that say: "I'm really Tim!"
And child molesters don't wear t-shirts that say: "I'll touch your little girl!"
And robbers: "I have a gun and I'm about to hold you up!"
And hijacks: "I'm going to fly this plane into the WTC!"

If they all did, then it would be easier to catch 'em.

This cracks me up. Everyone gets ripped off, and noone does anything about it. Hell we should all do what Timmy does.. i think there is more money in it than running a legit hosting company.

To lighten things up:
http://pub44.ezboard.com/fcybercrew74852frm1.showMessage?topicID=193.topic

http://timmystreasures.50megs.com/

HAHA Tim isn't a kid :D :eek:

Originally posted by Chicken
If they all did, then it would be easier to catch 'em.
I take it you are at least banning the IPs that Timmy is posting from? It's a start and better than nothing. :)

Originally posted by Aussie Bob

I take it you are at least banning the IPs that Timmy is posting from? It's a start and better than nothing. :)


Who Knows.

Originally posted by pixelART



Who Knows.

You do know that you are an annoyance here? We could annoy you in a similar manner you know (we do have your phone number)...

Originally posted by akash


You do know that you are an annoyance here? We could annoy you in a similar manner you know (we do have your phone number)...


I'm not who you think I'm. :rolleyes:

Sure you're not.

Originally posted by iamdave
Sure you're not.


I know I'm not. :cool:

Originally posted by pixelART



I know I'm not. :cool: Ya okay...

Its sad that Chicken has to play these childish games with this kid.

and the difference between ebay etc...is they have policies in place to at least protect their customers and bidders

Gary,

I'm totally with you here. I really am. But take a second to step back and take a deep breath.

You got had. Plain and simple. So be it.

But this whole beat the hell out of WHT over it? I don't get it. And the newspaper analogy was DEAD ON. Doesn't matter which media facilitates the advertisement, they're not responsible. Particularly when the advertising agent doesn't profit from the transaction itself, they're free and clear. Let's say I'm eating lunch in a McDonalds on Broadway, and some guy comes up and offers to sell me a watch. The next day I find out the watch is a fake. Is McDonalds responsible because they provided the publicly accessible 'forum' for this transaction to take place? Heck no, and neither is WHT.

If WHT claimed to screen buyers and sellers, and charged a fee for that service, you would have a good point. But your continued insistence on trying to get WHT to take some share of responsibility for your misfortune can do no good... and in fact could make life a lot more difficult for us all once Robert decides to can the advert and offers forums once and for all.

Take your lumps, bust this Tim guy's balls, and leave WHT out of it. Good luck getting your bucks back, I hope you take it to his schizophrenic a$$.

For everyone else, do your homework. If you get scammed, you have NO ONE to blame but yourself.

My 0.02,

Brandon

PS - Gary, you're an adult, right? Why the big deal over $65? I understand wanting to teach a kid a lesson, but wanting to win just because you're right...the whole "it's the principle of it all" attitude...can get very expensive. I'd rather invest the same time and energy in my business. Go bill out an extra hour tomorrow and make your $65 bucks back. No good came come from pursuing this. He'll get what's coming to him one day, don't worry.

Originally posted by GlideTech
Its sad that Chicken has to play these childish games with this kid.
Yes, and while this idiot who lies and has said he isn't Dave, etc., through emails to us obviously has nothing better to do, I on the other hand do. He has proven to us that his word is crap. That is all I can tell you and you may want to take that into consideration before dealing with this person in any regard. This is my only experience with this kid.

cbtrussell - the problem with him backing down is that everyone has backed down from timmy and so far it appears timmy is winning his war....and that can't be good. someone really has to oput a stop to this. and it appears gary is trying to do that...

Gary - step back and think about this..you appear to be getting a little heated over this topic and unleashing your fury on things that it should not be unleashed upon...

also if you like we have an enom reseller account you can have until you get your money back...

hope this works out for you...and have learned a valuble lesson today

Originally posted by Timmah
Gary, is aware that his refund is coming though within a few hours.. He is not patient enough to wait. I'm doing this nicely. It is Dave's respondisble to refund you not mine but I'm doing it anyway.

so much for a few hours. I guess I will just let paypal take their course on this, I would imagine if you had some kind of limit in disputes with paypal, they would terminate your account? :eek:




Hello,
I have decided that when I wake up (today) ( Saturday) I will process your refund within 1-2 hours of that time. If you feel that is not fair I may beable to possibly do an e-check now but I would rather not and would rather to do it instant when I wake up. Let me know what you think.


HAHAHAHAH and another one i just got, i think his gerbal musta kicked the bucket...


This isn't fraud. Dave offered to provide the product you refused. I told
you I would refund you today and I will keep my word. I'm going though a
death in our family and I should attend to that.



Now, if you apoglize for your rude remarks previously onl the server we will
work that deal out and come though with it as well.

:mad: bahhh honestly , people who know me would know had I got scammed by this snotty kid , I would have been at his door . I mean he can't be that far away from some of the users on here . Get a few of you in the car , go and visit him - talk to the parents .

Don't let this piece of trash feel untouchable ... don't be passive in the way you approach liars & scammers - be proactive ! .

What the little ****head doesn't realise is that what goes arround eventualy comes arround & that KY is not big enough for him to hide . Or hide by the way of the fact that he is a minor .

I know where I would be this weekend if I had to get my money back .. purely from the principle . ;)

The problem with letting this go is that it keeps happening over and over. There's no reason why Chicken has to play "parent" to this kid. Talk to the parents. Talk to the police. Even if he is a minor, get some kind of paper trail going... Eventually, if enough people do follow thru, there will be enough to stick.

Maybe it's a good idea to tell about Timmy in a sticky thread in one of the general forums, to tell & warn people ( especially newbies ) about him ?

i just wonder,if this thread has any meaning to me
i've been dealing with who ripped u guys,and never got ripped (thanx god)....there are always ways to protect urself,if u didnt foloow those ways,then blam now one but urself
and i think ths would thread is a scam.....if u pay a visit here http://www.hostinglounge.com/
u'll find lots of users including AlaskanWolf ,are so friendly with timmy,now why complaining about it
http://www.hostinglounge.com/showthread.php?threadid=90
http://www.hostinglounge.com/showthread.php?threadid=98

http://www.hostinglounge.com/showthread.php?threadid=88

AlaskanWolf
I dont use ICQ anymore, I use Trillan

If i do, then i do, if i dont get the server, then to bad, its prob a 50/50 that im trying and just want to chat about **** since im tired of wht
TIMMY
76176606

It is nice to see you around here Who isn't getting sick of the **** of WHT ?


i dont feel sad for u ,ur one of 2 things,
1.fooling around WHT u and timmy to ruin its creditability,and so it works good for hostinglounge
or 2.u've been ripped off by timmy which shouldN
T affect any of us,coz u've been friendly with him

and guys ,follow the rules,or just dont :bawling: about being ripped off

Tim:

I outta *itch slap you across the room. You better read up on interrogation techniques so you can have a good story when you do get caught.

"I offered to pay even though I don't owe him any money" WHO THE F U C K says that? Only a guilty person.

And since you offered why have you not sent him your money? Why did you create a new webhostingtalk account timownnone? Hmm. strange that your using your proxy to get around the ip thing.

plz guys read my reply up there
this thread should be removed coz think it affects WHT more than Timmy.
this is going very far,they r playing games on WHT now.

What is annoying me about this whole timmeh affair, is nobody ever does jack about it, if you have been ripped off by him i suggest you get off your fat arses and get something done about it instead of waiting for it to happen to someone else and then having another bitch about it. Until action is taken, hes just laughing at you and using you as his cash machine.

14 pages of replies (total 204), 3375 views.. and all because someone bought an eNom reseller and instantly asked for him money back when he found out Tim was the seller ... WOW!

I agree with jamesaspey btw .. why not actually take action instead of tlaking about it so often for so long?

Originally posted by akash


You do know that you are an annoyance here? We could annoy you in a similar manner you know (we do have your phone number)...

You wanna give it out? lol

Why aren't the mods banning the proxies?

I reckon a lot of those proxies are being used by many people for legitimate purposes but you always have some bad apples.