Hi all ,
(we submit this topic According to the contacts we had previously with forum Administration with this refer: GEF-627842 )
on Oct / 27 we have Concorded with Payton Design for designing our website template,
we paid $399 ( for Designing - coded template and integrated with WHMCS + table less XHTML valid ) >> (the evidence of our payment to payton-take look at this evidence: http://h.imagehost.org/0424/payton_pay.jpg )

Payton Design said he'll Prepare the Template in 2 weeks because he need 2weeks time, and then he give us a Word document (that is containing some Question to answer) to writing our requirements from the Design. >> (the evidence : http://h.imagehost.org/0727/payton_2weeks.jpg and you can see the requirements docuemnt here: www.dreamdata.net/webdesign.zip )

we've answer all the Questions and requirements and give it to him to complete the Design.
now we are on DEC and weeks passed along, but there is no news from our template yet ! (look at this evidence that we don’t have any response from our contacts: http://h.imagehost.org/0112/payton_design0.jpg and this: http://h.imagehost.org/0126/payton_design1.jpg and this: http://h.imagehost.org/0410/payton_design2.jpg ) and you can read all of our chat text here: http://www.dreamdata.net/paytondesign.txt :)

after 4 weeks we says that plz refund the $399 , but Payton Design answers that i can refund $100 utmost .
According to the contacts we had previously with forum Support, He said we can Debate this problem here.

We don’t want to write down his name here. But actually there is no way to solve this problem. We just wants him to Finish the template or refund $399.
These 2 weeks was very important to us (of course for every one!) because our Alexa rank is deeply drops down in order that there is no template.
And we have a bad loss in these 2 weeks because of these goings.

-Regards

I had already posted a topic regarding you in the Premium members forum, I will share it with everyone else now.

So, I have this client (goes by hossein_salehi on WHT) and just recently he purchased a custom design package from me. I told him it would take me roughly 2-3 weeks from start to finish to get everything in his project done. Forum & Whmcs Integration, Design, Coding, etc. He didn't mind.

Things were going good, designed his website and subpages in photoshop and always uploaded the work via live URL to show him. He was satisfied about the design throughout the project.

Well, during the design process communication was slow back and forth due to totally different time zones and the fact we both took about a 3 day vacation. This all adds up in the long run especially with the different time zones.

Well, its been about 3 weeks and he wants the design immediately. I told him that would be no problem and I could get the design to him within 72 hours after I get everything coded.

I IM'd him when I had everything done, only to get attacked about the whole process. Saying the design isnt up to par, taken way to long, etc etc. I asked him why he didnt tell me this before as I warned him once its coded its basically how it is unless you want to get it recoded. Then he complained about how its not all done, when the aspects he mentioned in the IM were all WHMCS Integration aspects, he apparently didnt get it.

Then he brought up the whole, "you said 2 weeks!" I said I apologize for that but I told you roughly 2-3 weeks. I note roughly because many factors can play a role in extending the project including vacations and time zone differences. I even offered to refund him $100 for the inconvenience. My main goal is to satisfy the client... Well, he didnt go for this either.

Now he's telling me to refund the FULL payment. Saying I can keep the design and sell it for more. I wouldnt have a problem with this except for the fact that premade designs go for a lot less than custom designs meant to fit the needs of the client.

I said "Hey, if you think it will go for more, why dont you just sell the design yourself and collect all the extra profit you make from it?" Of course, he had some excuse.

In the end I just said "Listen, take up my offer on the $100 money back or file the claim through Paypal. I will provide them with the services I completed for you" He threatened the whole "I will post everywhere about your terrible services" etc etc.

I ended up just sending him the files saying whenever you are trying to get everything up and running just contact me.

What do you think? Am I doing the right thing?

I mean, I spent a lot of time on his design and it shows, its beautiful. Maybe I'm not understanding him correctly seeing as how english isnt his first language, but Im pretty sure I am. He said the design was great through the whole project, yet somehow didnt like it in the long run because it took longer than expected. He told me he wants a refund so he can go find another design... but won't that take even longer?

hi dude
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regards

Why did you just spam me via PM to come here?

I think im about to join paytondesigns victim family in 10 hours.
I did purchase a WHMCS integration 62 hours ago, and stil he hasn't touched it yet.

;6523987']Why did you just spam me via PM to come here?I got one too. Perhaps you were involved in the other thread about Payton a few days ago?

From what Payton said, your not wrong at all here Payton. All though it seems as your designs/integrations have been a little late, I think you should fix your scheduling a bit. It was generous to offer $100 back.

I got one too. Perhaps you were involved in the other thread about Payton a few days ago?

Nope, I try to stay out of these things. I've spoken to Payton a few times and he certainly doesn't strike me as a scammer.

Regardless, it looks like he has been mass-pm'ing people. If I know my WHT rules that is 15(?) infraction points coming his way.

I think im about to join paytondesigns victim family in 10 hours.
I did purchase a WHMCS integration 62 hours ago, and stil he hasn't touched it yet.

It hasnt been 72 hours... Don't worry! ;)

;6523987']Why did you just spam me via PM to come here?

i send this message to you because my first topic was terminated and i want to know your idea about this topic. is there any problem ?

i send this message to you because my first topic was terminated and i want to know your idea about this topic. is there any problem ?

Yes there is a problem, I don't appreciate spam.

Unsubscribing to this thread now.

Hi all ,
(we submit this topic According to the contacts we had previously with forum Administration with this refer: GEF-627842 )
on Oct / 27 we have Concorded with Payton Design for designing our website template,
we paid $399 ( for Designing - coded template and integrated with WHMCS + table less XHTML valid ) >> (the evidence of our payment to payton-take look at this evidence: http://h.imagehost.org/0424/payton_pay.jpg )

Payton Design said he'll Prepare the Template in 2 weeks because he need 2weeks time, and then he give us a Word document (that is containing some Question to answer) to writing our requirements from the Design. >> (the evidence : http://h.imagehost.org/0727/payton_2weeks.jpg and you can see the requirements docuemnt here: www.dreamdata.net/webdesign.zip )

we've answer all the Questions and requirements and give it to him to complete the Design.
now we are on DEC and weeks passed along, but there is no news from our template yet ! (look at this evidence that we don’t have any response from our contacts: http://h.imagehost.org/0112/payton_design0.jpg and this: http://h.imagehost.org/0126/payton_design1.jpg and this: http://h.imagehost.org/0410/payton_design2.jpg ) and you can read all of our chat text here: http://www.dreamdata.net/paytondesign.txt :)

after 4 weeks we says that plz refund the $399 , but Payton Design answers that i can refund $100 utmost .
According to the contacts we had previously with forum Support, He said we can Debate this problem here.

We don’t want to write down his name here. But actually there is no way to solve this problem. We just wants him to Finish the template or refund $399.
These 2 weeks was very important to us (of course for every one!) because our Alexa rank is deeply drops down in order that there is no template.
And we have a bad loss in these 2 weeks because of these goings.

-Regards

Don't send me a pm again asking me to view this forum.

He's just trying to get others to continue bashing me. I've already told my part of the story along with the other threads that pop up. I have admitted I've recently had slow communication at times and that is being resolved, but in terms of compensation and job quality I hit the mark.

From what Payton said, your not wrong at all here Payton. All though it seems as your designs/integrations have been a little late, I think you should fix your scheduling a bit. It was generous to offer $100 back.

after 40 days he doesnt answer our contacts. and he's always invisible on AIM. and he doesnt did ANYTHING on the job. you can visit first image that he said he'll give us a coded template ! (look this evidence : http://h.imagehost.org/0424/payton_pay.jpg)

According to your post (that you said you give us a preview).. where is : http://paytondesigns.com/live/ddp/ AT THIS TIME?

;6524017']Yes there is a problem, I don't appreciate spam.

Unsubscribing to this thread now.

I want to know the idea of peoples who are a active guys on Design forum. please dont put anymore spam here. just talk about the subject, ok ?

where is : http://paytondesigns.com/live/ddp/ ?

Your design is there! You just refuse to work with me to get it finished. Im on AIM now, I'm not invisible nor am I ever. You can ask anyone, I'm always on AIM.

yes you are online after 4 days !!!

yes you are online after 4 days !!!

I refuse to communicate with you through the forums. You are nothing but a liar. I'll be on AIM whenever you want to get things finished.

Bye now.

He's just trying to get others to continue bashing me. I've already told my part of the story along with the other threads that pop up. I have admitted I've recently had slow communication at times and that is being resolved, but in terms of compensation and job quality I hit the mark.

there is no try to bashing you ! Every thing iv said is containing evidences ! take look at them !

http://paytondesigns.com/live/ddp/ Works fine for me... I don't see what the problem is here.


Also, off-topic, the navbar doesn't display correctly on my end... Here is a quick fix:

#mainnav a {
padding:0 18px;


}

Your design is there! You just refuse to work with me to get it finished. Im on AIM now, I'm not invisible nor am I ever. You can ask anyone, I'm always on AIM.

hehe its funny, you are always on AIM but you are invisible ! or you are running away from us and makes yourself invisible!

http://paytondesigns.com/live/ddp/
you upload this Immediately, we have paid $399 for integrated with WHMCS and coded template, not for simple index.html file after 40 days !

hehe its funny, you are always on AIM but you are invisible ! or you are running away from us and makes yourself invisible!

http://paytondesigns.com/live/ddp/
you upload this Immediately, we have paid $399 for integrated with WHMCS and coded template, not for simple index.html file after 40 days !

If you would contact me, you would know that I have everything done along with the right to left text and the subpages. I also let you know that in order to get the integration done, I need access to your templates directory in order to implement it, which you have yet to provide me.

;6524046']http://paytondesigns.com/live/ddp/ Works fine for me... I don't see what the problem is here.


Also, off-topic, the navbar doesn't display correctly on my end... Here is a quick fix:

#mainnav a {
padding:0 18px;


}

Thanks Sam!

Sam [Vissol], he upload it now !
see the menus, all things is ok ? :|
all pages are coded ? where is whmcs integration ? are you think it is a completed design ? do you want to buy it about $400 now ?

I refuse to communicate with you through the forums. You are nothing but a liar. I'll be on AIM whenever you want to get things finished.

Bye now.

can you find a liar with Evidence ? heh you want to finish things after 40 days ?! what are you doing in these 40 days ?

I need access to your templates directory in order to implement it.

your design cant be setting up on an online website because we want to translate the template and it takes 3days(according to our chat text).these are very funny excuses that you can find WHMCS for integration.

Its 3 O'clock of midnight here, i cant answer any more posts,
hey payton if you are an Availible Guy , tell us what should we do ? when you'll finish the integration ? you want to do it after another 40 days ? oh thats too long !
we want to refund our $300. your current template is not integrated and its not much than $100 cost

Its 3 O'clock of midnight here, i cant answer any more posts,
hey payton if you are an Availible Guy , tell us what should we do ? when you'll finish the integration ? you want to do it after another 40 days ? oh thats too long !
we want to refund our $300. your current template is not integrated and its not much than $100 cost

Like I noted earlier, I'm on AIM as we speak and you have yet to contact me.

From what I see, although the project was delayed somewhat, Payton has committed any serious acts of wrongdoing. From personal experience I can attest to the fact that there are some times when projects take longer than expected, whether it's because of unclear or slow client communication or a back-up of work on our end. That being said, it seems to me that Payton offered a more than fair solution to rectify the issue (the $100 refund).

Looking at the preview of the design, it does seem that there are a few minor css errors (at least in Firefox and Safari - I'm on a Mac), such as one of the navigation tabs being a bit off. This issue would take probably only a few minutes to change, and I'm sure that they would be changed upon final delivery (I suspect that this preview is not the final product, being that it only has the home page and doesn't have the nav bar fixed). Other than that, I think the design looks pretty good!

From what I see, although the project was delayed somewhat, Payton has committed any serious acts of wrongdoing. From personal experience I can attest to the fact that there are some times when projects take longer than expected, whether it's because of unclear or slow client communication or a back-up of work on our end. That being said, it seems to me that Payton offered a more than fair solution to rectify the issue (the $100 refund).

Looking at the preview of the design, it does seem that there are a few minor css errors (at least in Firefox and Safari - I'm on a Mac), such as one of the navigation tabs being a bit off. This issue would take probably only a few minutes to change, and I'm sure that they would be changed upon final delivery (I suspect that this preview is not the final product, being that it only has the home page and doesn't have the nav bar fixed). Other than that, I think the design looks pretty good!

Hi,

Thanks for your input! Yes, the navbar and other minor CSS issues will be resolved upon delivery of the design. I have also got the design done with the subpages and the right to left text for the clients language, yet still not reply back from the client has been made.

stop sending people pm's it is very annoying... hossein_salehi

stop sending people pm's it is very annoying... hossein_salehi

sorry, i only sent this topic URL to who was online ,

Mods: isn't there a rule against PM spamming?

sorry, i only sent this topic URL to who was online ,Then stop right now. This is an abuse of the Private Message system. Have you discussion here with Payton Designs, but do not spam our members in order to draw attention to your posts.

so payton, as you said the design is ready, yes ?
all parameters that there is on your " .doc file " ( it is on http://www.dreamdata.net/webdesign.zip ) are available and finished ?

Why dont you get on aim with him and discuss it, you sit here and say he is unavaliable, but when he is telling you to discuss it with him on aim, you continue to spam and post here.

i have experience chat with him, i should be repeat it again ?

see :

diandade (11:03:02 È.Ù): if possible please do it on your best
PaytonDesigns (11:03:14 È.Ù): Well we need to figure out whats next
PaytonDesigns (11:03:18 È.Ù): How about the content
diandade (11:04:18 È.Ù): numeric banners and abit more pretty , top banner be more than a simple blue color ..
diandade (11:04:47 È.Ù): please forgot my behavior may you ?
diandade (11:04:53 È.Ù): *forget
PaytonDesigns (11:05:08 È.Ù): Yes, but please dont just say refer to the document
PaytonDesigns (11:05:12 È.Ù): I need to know specfics
PaytonDesigns (11:05:16 È.Ù): So #1 the banners
PaytonDesigns (11:05:20 È.Ù): #2 the top area
diandade (11:07:05 È.Ù): #3 becautifull live chat icones ( offline + online mode ) + fade call numbers ( 3 numbers move from left to righ like numeric banner )
diandade (11:07:14 È.Ù): beside of livechat icon
PaytonDesigns (11:07:21 È.Ù): Ok
diandade (11:08:21 È.Ù): http://www.allurehost.com is good refer
diandade (11:08:25 È.Ù): thanks payton
diandade (11:08:31 È.Ù): again i am so sorry
25/11/2009
diandade (03:36:02 Þ.Ù): hi, nice to meet you :-)
27/11/2009
diandade (03:36:29 Þ.Ù): :-(
30/11/2009
diandade (07:36:44 Þ.Ù): hi payton, how are tpday ? you are on holiday yea ?
PaytonDesigns (07:37:03 Þ.Ù): Its Sunday

Just to point out - allurehost.com is based on the Platino theme over at themeforest :)

Also, your IM convo does not prove much, other than the possibility that you are a schizophrenic, as it does not have dates.

I swear I'm getting punk'd or something, where's Ashton?

Listen, I told you to get on AIM. I have been on AIM the past few hours and I have yet to receive an IM from you. You rant on about how you want it done but you are making ZERO effort.

Just to point out - allurehost.com is based on the Platino theme over at themeforest :)

Also, your IM convo does not prove much, other than the possibility that you are a schizophrenic, as it does not have dates.The part that starts "hi, nice to meet you" does have dates ;) Still don't really get it though... sounds like the first part was current and the rest older?

Ah, my apologies! I didn't notice...

we are on communicated now...

I was looking for WHMCS integration on Google and land it here, after reading post I think I will order next year as it looks like Payton is very busy, holiday is coming and won't ease any transaction. I do understand that he might be busy or have com problems but when a stamp date is given you should honor your work. But he did a nice favor by suggesting a refund of $100.
Otherwise hossein spamming is bad, also bashing here is not nice, reading it it looks like a fight or TV series where people want to see how it will end. "hope it ends fine"

I was looking for WHMCS integration on Google and land it here, after reading post I think I will order next year as it looks like Payton is very busy, holiday is coming and won't ease any transaction. I do understand that he might be busy or have com problems but when a stamp date is given you should honor your work. But he did a nice favor by suggesting a refund of $100.
Otherwise hossein spamming is bad, also bashing here is not nice, reading it it looks like a fight or TV series where people want to see how it will end. "hope it ends fine"

Payton guarantees a 72 hour finish of integrations and if not you get refunded or as I am told =)

The current process regarding threads at WHT is joke. Where does defamation kick in?

The current process regarding threads at WHT is joke. Where does defamation kick in?How are you being defamed? I don't see this any differently than when a user writes a review about a web host.

I agree that the OP could have handled the situation much better and outside of WHT, but in the end, it was a review based on the service he purchased from you. Can you highlight or quote any inaccurate posts here that are libelous to your company/reputation?

Even if it is not all technically false, it is still misleading to my future clients.

This thread is ridiculous. Mods should clean it down to the objective facts and OP should be banned for spamming.

This thread is ridiculous. Mods should clean it down to the objective facts and OP should be banned for spamming.

:agree: This is what I'm trying to say right here. With all the mods WHT has around here they should focus on threads like these.

It's just ridiculous.

Just out of curiosity Payton? I am assuming your from the United States according to your location in your profile. I also see that your client is from Iran (Location: IRAN). I'm not sure if your aware or not but were actually not allowed to do business with anyone from Iran. Just wanted to make sure your aware of that to avoid any legal issues in the future.

Besides that point this client of yours is ridiculous I must say...

Payton isn't that bad. Sure he can take a little longer than expected, but hey he does an awesome job with designing.

Oh and there's a trade embargo against Iran so not sure if this would be under that or not, but be careful.

EDIT: the guy who posted above me said it too lol.

http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/programs/iran/iran.shtml

:agree: This is what I'm trying to say right here. With all the mods WHT has around here they should focus on threads like these.

It's just ridiculous.

Just open a ticket if you have a question about our moderation of this or any topic.

My PERSONAL opinion about this topic is that you committed to a timeframe, passed that timeframe and the client should have the option of saying "I have waited long enough please refund my money". I do agree that the OP is being hasty but at some point we have to be willing to stand behind our committments to clients.

I really don't see how this is any different from any other time bound committment. If you are late, the client should just shut up and wait? Your offer of a $100 refund is absurd. If anything you should be offering to do something extra for YOU being late or offering to still provide the design plus a portion of the payment back. Otherwise you or anyone else can be late on delivery and the only person who is inconvenienced is the customer.

I really don't see how this is any different from any other time bound committment. If you are late, the client should just shut up and wait? Your offer of a $100 refund is absurd. If anything you should be offering to do something extra for YOU being late or offering to still provide the design plus a portion of the payment back. Otherwise you or anyone else can be late on delivery and the only person who is inconvenienced is the customer.

Are you reading anything being said? You are saying my $100 cash back offer is absurd but then continue to say "still provide the design plus a portion of the payment back." That is exactly what the $100 is for. I had offered to compensate him with $100 due to the inconveniences. :eek:

I was also never committed to any time frame -- no contract was ever drawn up nor did I agree to an exact date. So, now what is your reasoning for this thread? Shouldn't I have more credibility when it comes to matters like this.

Ah come on people, don't be so petty and childish, your world wont collapse if you wait a little longer for your 'oh so important design/integration/whatever', have some consideration for other people's time and effort.

Yes you paid and hired him to do a job in a certain time frame, but he is just a human, many factors can influence his job and delivery.
Be more considerate and understandable.

It's not like he'll run away with your money, and if you all of a sudden need a website in 3 weeks to get a business/project running well then your plan is flawed and you should go back to the drawing board.
Yes, maybe payton should try harder to put things into perspective, use more carefully chosen words and soften the attitude but it's rather hard when you're under constant stress and pressure because someone's WHMCS integration wasn't finished in 68 hours.
Be more realistic and consider issues other than your own.

Just open a ticket if you have a question about our moderation of this or any topic.

My PERSONAL opinion about this topic is that you committed to a timeframe, passed that timeframe and the client should have the option of saying "I have waited long enough please refund my money". I do agree that the OP is being hasty but at some point we have to be willing to stand behind our committments to clients.

It looked to me like Payton was being fairly understanding with this client. In the OP's own chat transcript he apologized repeatedly to Payton for his nasty remarks/attitude, and Payton accepted the apology graciously and continued to ask about how the OP wanted the site to look; the OP answered with things like "Please make the icons more beautiful" -- I can see how it would be hard for Payton to meet the client's requirements if that's all there is to go on.

Also, it's important to consider how the OP approached communicating with Payton -- he came on WHT and spammed as many people as he could to try to get them to view this thread, and to do the most damage to Payton's business -- that doesn't sound like a client just wanting a designer to meet their committment . . . to me it just seems malicious.

Are you reading anything being said? You are saying my $100 cash back offer is absurd but then continue to say "still provide the design plus a portion of the payment back." That is exactly what the $100 is for. I had offered to compensate him with $100 due to the inconveniences. :eek:

I was also never committed to any time frame -- no contract was ever drawn up nor did I agree to an exact date. So, now what is your reasoning for this thread? Shouldn't I have more credibility when it comes to matters like this.

Before you snap, can you explain to me why you should have more credibility than the OP?

I agree, I misread it. I thought you were saying refund only $100 and no design. If you did offer to knock off $100 but provide the design then that does seem more than fair. I don't know what other issue the OP has. I know I have had to go get alternate designs done when the first person I hired was late so maybe that's what happened or maybe he is honestly just not happy with the design. I don't know but clearly I read your post wrong. You have my apology for that.

edit: I am certainly NOT condoing the OP spamming people to this thread. That is just plain wrong.

Payton isn't that bad. Sure he can take a little longer than expected, but hey he does an awesome job with designing.

Oh and there's a trade embargo against Iran so not sure if this would be under that or not, but be careful.

EDIT: the guy who posted above me said it too lol.

http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/programs/iran/iran.shtml

I've just read this: In general, a person may not export from the U.S. any goods, technology or
services, if that person knows or has reason to know such items are intended
specifically for supply, transshipment or reexportation to Iran...

Wow, it scares me and didn't know it till now. Also it's not PAyton faults, how can he knows hte guy is from iran, also if he did received payment by paypal, I can only see paypal as the responsible for this, how can paypal accepts bank funds from iran?

With all comments said here, I sill trust on payton services and will order my whmcs integration with him but before I do I want him to confirm that he gives a 72h turnaround or refund full.

I've just read this: In general, a person may not export from the U.S. any goods, technology or
services, if that person knows or has reason to know such items are intended
specifically for supply, transshipment or reexportation to Iran...

Wow, it scares me and didn't know it till now. Also it's not PAyton faults, how can he knows hte guy is from iran, also if he did received payment by paypal, I can only see paypal as the responsible for this, how can paypal accepts bank funds from iran?

With all comments said here, I sill trust on payton services and will order my whmcs integration with him but before I do I want him to confirm that he gives a 72h turnaround or refund full.

yes , there is no Iran Country on paypal website, but i pay by my friend ( he has USA verified paypal account ) also if there was any problems by payment, i am sure payton could say me, so please you don't say about some things that you don't know about them,

so every body, payton and me was online on AIM messenger more than 3 hours, Total night I was awakened and the result : http://www.dreamdata.net/ may be payton need more time ( the page is not Spruce/trim/ELEGANCE/style and ... ) , ok no problem i am waiting to him ...

I've just read this: In general, a person may not export from the U.S. any goods, technology or
services, if that person knows or has reason to know such items are intended
specifically for supply, transshipment or reexportation to Iran...

Wow, it scares me and didn't know it till now. Also it's not PAyton faults, how can he knows hte guy is from iran, also if he did received payment by paypal, I can only see paypal as the responsible for this, how can paypal accepts bank funds from iran?

With all comments said here, I sill trust on payton services and will order my whmcs integration with him but before I do I want him to confirm that he gives a 72h turnaround or refund full.

This is where the seller must come in and verify the users location. Their is many ways to do this from IP checks, requesting for his billing address and his actual address, phone number, and etc. Now, since the buyer did state he had a "friend" who purchased this from him who is located in the United States. He would be the one who would have to face an legal issues.

Yes IP ban is the best way to go, I recently have a server chashed with 9000+ members just because a hacker from morroco did his nasty job and was promoting islam. I can tell you that it was a true nightmare and it's web hosting admin most fear.

Yes IP ban is the best way to go, I recently have a server chashed with 9000+ members just because a hacker from morroco did his nasty job and was promoting islam. I can tell you that it was a true nightmare and it's web hosting admin most fear.Just curious... where did anyone mention anything about banning IPs? In Matt's previous post, he mentions running an IP check on the buyer's IP to verify the location of this person. Also, as Matt stated, any liability for Iran to US exchanging of goods would be passed on to the friend who used his PayPal account to pay Payton.

Just curious... where did anyone mention anything about banning IPs? In Matt's previous post, he mentions running an IP check on the buyer's IP to verify the location of this person. Also, as Matt stated, any liability for Iran to US exchanging of goods would be passed on to the friend who used his PayPal account to pay Payton.
thanx sgarbus for joining this topic, deal is deal, between 2 person, but one side doesn't finish the order , 2weeks passed and until now... we are on the 40th day of waiting for design.

thanx sgarbus for joining this topic, deal is deal, between 2 person, but one side doesn't finish the order , 2weeks passed and until now... we are on the 40th day of waiting for design

I thought you got your design?

;6525624']I thought you got your design?Well, Payton took the preview down of the design he had on his website (used to be here (http://paytondesigns.com/live/ddp/)).

The version that the client has uploaded to his domain,www.dreamdata.net, is still incomplete and hasn't even had the nav bar fix implemented after 24 hours. Weren't you the one that gave him the proper css code to fix it yesterday as well?

;6525624']I thought you got your design?

http://www.dreamdata.net/order/ see it now ( i change the default template ( payton's template ) from WHMCS admin panel to show you )

Well, Payton took the preview down of the design he had on his website (used to be here (http://paytondesigns.com/live/ddp/)).

The version that the client has uploaded to his domain,www.dreamdata.net, is still incomplete and hasn't even had the nav bar fix implemented after 24 hours. Weren't you the one that gave him the proper css code to fix it yesterday as well?

The nav bar and other CSS have since been fixed but the client has cut off my FTP access to make the appropriate changes.

The nav bar and other CSS have since been fixed but the client has cut off my FTP access to make the appropriate changes.

right now the password is the same password that you have last night,put new changes on NEW2 folder.

This forum is getting me sick. Payton you should listen to me very carefully "Quarrel with a fool and you too would look like a fool" What i mean is, do not entertain his ramblings any longer because it will simply destroy your reputation. The OP should close this thread and handle things like a man. Payton said he wants to talk over IM and you should at least hear him out there than trying to bash him on this forum. Everyone is human and everyone is trying to make a little extra cash for Christmas. His schedule was not the right fit for you and we understand that but simply respect his wishes and try to work it out on AIM. When you are finished talking, you can come back and give an update. Please...all of this goes on google and around the world. Please do not get out of hand with this on a forum!!!

Please...all of this goes on google and around the world. Please do not get out of hand with this on a forum!!!

You're right about that, check this out: http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/showthread.php?t=72598 - That's just... strange.

;6525885']You're right about that, check this out: http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/showthread.php?t=72598 - That's just... strange.
No, this is stranger.

http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=122


WTF?

You're right about that, check this out: http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/showthread.php?t=72598 - That's just... strange.


KAAAAKAAAAKAARRRAKAA...LOL...LMAO...OMG...You cannot be serious!!!! Nooo. I refuse to believe. I have to get my popcorn and refresh my hotmail every couple minutes!!! hahaha. This guy is just disturbed. Please find piece and remove this thread

EDIT: btw...Why is he writing in English in a hindi forum??? :?:

EDIT: btw...Why is he writing in English in a hindi forum??? :?:

I think that the site just crawls WHT. It doesn't look like the guy posted it.

ohhh...ok ok...cool...why didnt i think of that?..lol

KAAAAKAAAAKAARRRAKAA...LOL...LMAO...OMG...You cannot be serious!!!! Nooo. I refuse to believe. I have to get my popcorn and refresh my hotmail every couple minutes!!! hahaha. This guy is just disturbed. Please find piece and remove this thread

EDIT: btw...Why is he writing in English in a hindi forum??? :?:
It isn't Hindi. Not even remotely close.

Ok, things are getting off topic now. :topic:

Let's not get this thread locked, I would be interested to see how this ends.

hi , thanks Sam, sure... i will update here the result,
hey spammers if you want to send reply on a thread, should get permission before Thread Starter,

Here's what I wanted to say before I got off-topic earlier.

Payton delivers the product via the client's FTP, an FTP account was given to Payton to use. He uploads the site, which looks quite nice, but when he goes back to do the menu system and final touches, Payton finds out that his account has been deleted by the client.

The client then comes here to complain about Payton's time management once more. Payton comes to defend himself in a proper manner, and says that his FTP account doesn't register with the server. The client makes complaints that the site isn't finished in terms of the menu system, and that other parts of the design aren't finished. What parts, other than the navigation system? I'm getting a little nauseated with all this back and forth action going on. I don't even know who's telling the truth, but it legitimately seems that the client did delete the account, further escalating this problem, and PM'ing other uses to get in on the action hoping they'll bash Payton and make him and his business look dire.

I think the site looks finished other than the navigation system. Isn't it up to you, the client, to put up your own Farsi version?

To fix the rest of the nav, just add "repeat-none" to the background section of #mainnav in the CSS.

http://www.dreamdata.net/style.css - Line 68.

The client then comes here to complain about Payton's time management once more. Payton comes to defend himself in a proper manner, and says that his FTP account doesn't register with the server. The client makes complaints that the site isn't finished in terms of the menu system, and that other parts of the design aren't finished. What parts, other than the navigation system? I'm getting a little nauseated with all this back and forth action going on. I don't even know who's telling the truth, but it legitimately seems that the client did delete the account, further escalating this problem, and PM'ing other uses to get in on the action hoping they'll bash Payton and make him and his business look dire.

I think the site looks finished other than the navigation system. Isn't it up to you, the client, to put up your own Farsi version?Actually, according to what the OP posted, it appears he purchased Payton's "Ultimate Design Special (http://www.paytondesigns.com/designs.html)". As you can see on Payton's website, it includes the following for $499:

Coded Full Website (up to 5 pages)
High Quality Logo | WHMCS Integration | Forum Integration | Unlimited Revisions | Fonts

Both parties have mentioned that subpages and integrations are part of the design, so unless he came up with something custom for the client, this is definitely the package he was supposed to receive.

Now, as you can see on the client's website (www.dreamdata.net) (Payton took his live version of the client's design down), it is nowhere near complete. Not sure if the 'DDP' text is considered a logo, but there are still 5 subpages missing. None of the links are even directed towards a page, which leads me to believe that the subpages were either not started or are not complete. It's obviously way past deadline and still incomplete -- not just missing a navigation fix.

If Payton cannot handle the workload, which appears to be the case; he should either raise his design prices and offer a much more personalized service for the money, or communicate deadlines he can actually meet with his customers. All of that work (full design, subpage, logo and 2 integrations) within a 2 week timeframe is quite unlikely -- even if he had nothing else going on at that time. When you're doing a bunch of $25 integrations with a guaranteed 72 hour turnaround, obviously you're going to miss deadlines for your larger, high paying customers. Top that off with 3-day vacation weekends and you've got yourself a serious problem... and angry customers!

Let me correct you... The OP clearly noted $399, not our design special.

Also, the subpages are all completed.

Maybe you should rethink your theory...

Thanks!

Actually, according to what the OP posted, it appears he purchased Payton's "Ultimate Design Special (http://www.paytondesigns.com/designs.html)". As you can see on Payton's website, it includes the following for $499:

Coded Full Website (up to 5 pages)
High Quality Logo | WHMCS Integration | Forum Integration | Unlimited Revisions | Fonts

Both parties have mentioned that subpages and integrations are part of the design, so unless he came up with something custom for the client, this is definitely the package he was supposed to receive.

Now, as you can see on the client's website (www.dreamdata.net) (Payton took his live version of the client's design down), it is nowhere near complete. Not sure if the 'DDP' text is considered a logo, but there are still 5 subpages missing. None of the links are even directed towards a page, which leads me to believe that the subpages were either not started or are not complete. It's obviously way past deadline and still incomplete -- not just missing a navigation fix.

If Payton cannot handle the workload, which appears to be the case; he should either raise his design prices and offer a much more personalized service for the money, or communicate deadlines he can actually meet with his customers. All of that work (full design, subpage, logo and 2 integrations) within a 2 week timeframe is quite unlikely -- even if he had nothing else going on at that time. When you're doing a bunch of $25 integrations with a guaranteed 72 hour turnaround, obviously you're going to miss deadlines for your larger, high paying customers. Top that off with 3-day vacation weekends and you've got yourself a serious problem... and angry customers!

Let me correct you... The OP clearly noted $399, not our design special.

Also, the subpages are all completed.Congrats, you missed your deadline by more days than what you originally promised the client.

Congrats, you missed your deadline by more days than what you originally promised the client.

Which has already been noted and explained...

I seem to remember you also missed deadlines with a client due to other priorities.

Not sure what your getting at...

Which has already been noted and explained...

I'm seem to remember you also missed deadlines with a client due to other priorities.

Not sure what your getting at...Yep, once. And he was fully refunded, not thrown against the fence for 4 weeks arguing with me about what was getting done and what wasn't. Also, that was in regards to a personal issue which was taken care of long ago. Bet you can't say that for every one of your threads that has popped up, eh? ;)

Just of out curiosity... how old are you? I don't know too many adults in the design industry who still need to hide their WHOIS info from the public (besides the ones still in high school, that is)... Would also probably explain why this took so long... SCHOOL DAYS!

You just won't quit will you?

The WHOIS protection was included free with my domain, I have nothing to hide.

I'm a 23 year old living in San Francisco California. I just recently graduated with a degree in graphic design and a minor in Business marketing.

If anyone wants to contact me they can do so through my website.


Yep, once. And he was fully refunded, not thrown against the fence for 4 weeks arguing with me about what was getting done and what wasn't. Also, that was in regards to a personal issue which was taken care of long ago. Bet you can't say that for every one of your threads that has popped up, eh? ;)

Just of out curiosity... how old are you? I don't know too many adults in the design industry who still need to hide their WHOIS info from the public (besides the ones still in high school, that is)... Would also probably explain why this took so long... SCHOOL DAYS!

Steve,

It honestly shows you have no professionalism in these types of matters. It's a complete low blow to assume these types of things without any basis whatsoever. Not sure if it has to do with you being jealous of the designs I provide, but I hope youre satisfied with doing whatever it takes to gain an edge on the web design market here on WHT.

hi,

payton now are designed to improve things.
According to speak to them on December 6, a series of changes will be palatability and I will deliver and update topic here ...
thanks

Sounds good. :)

It honestly shows you have no professionalism in these types of matters. It's a complete low blow to assume these types of things without any basis whatsoever.If there was no basis whatsoever, I wouldn't be replying to all these negative threads created about you. 2 in less than a week? I must be the reason behind that as well...? :eek:
Not sure if it has to do with you being jealous of the designs I provide, but I hope youre satisfied with doing whatever it takes to gain an edge on the web design market here on WHT.If that was true, I'd probably be the one ripping your designs, not the other way around. :D

I'm not trying to gain any type of "edge" on the market here at WHT by replying to this thread, just wondering why you continue to fail to provide the service you promise your customers with. It's unfortunate that you choose to blow these things off rather than discuss and tell the community WHY.

EDIT: Besides when you ripped my company's site, I also found this one:
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?p=6166021

Just found the thread I originally replied to about the rip as well: https://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?p=5166370

If there was no basis whatsoever, I wouldn't be replying to all these negative threads created about you. 2 in less than a week? I must be the reason behind that as well...? :eek:
If that was true, I'd probably be the one ripping your designs, not the other way around. :D

I'm not trying to gain any type of "edge" on the market here at WHT by replying to this thread, just wondering why you continue to fail to provide the service you promise your customers with. It's unfortunate that you choose to blow these things off rather than discuss and tell the community WHY.

EDIT: Besides when you ripped my company's site, I also found this one:
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?p=6166021

Want to keep searching, Payton? :)

sgarbus: If you would've read the entire thread instead of coming in and flaming Payton to aid your own design business you would know that the OP made it difficult and/or impossible for Payton to finish by being belligerent, failing to explain what it was he even wanted, and even locking Payton out of FTP at some point.

Please prove that Payton ripped things from your company or GTFO.

@Payton -- you should stop replying to this thread. Handle the matter with the OP personally and stop fueling the fire. The flamers will get bored and go away, but you're never going to get the last word. The more you bump this thread the worse off your business is.

Please prove that Payton ripped things from your company or GTFO.Here you go buddy:
https://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?p=5166370 (post #6)

Would you like a copy of the DMCA and his provider's response as well? I also have a response from his "client" that thought they were buying a unique, non-ripped design as well.

Check the other thread you quoted before my edit as well for another person he's ripped. Must be a coincidence, right? Such a coincidence that he has a program installed on his computer to rip 'em!

If I had not had such respect for Payton, I wouldn't be here right now. ;)

Check the other thread you quoted before my edit as well for another person he's ripped. Must be a coincidence, right? Such a coincidence that he has a program installed on his computer to rip 'em!
In all due respect, Payton is not to fully blame here. Why?
Payton sends you a design quote and you will it out to the specifications that are being asked and one of those questions was "Who are your competitors" so obviously you want to compete against somebody and Payton gets a look at these sites and grabs some ideas.

Typically you cannot rip a site unless you have ripped a site and or have copied the code by it's lines. When I had my experience with Payton it was not the site/content that I was concerned about because I know the job Payton done was unique and their is no other site that has my own Label, Content, And best of all it's not a site you can just buy from the net for free.

With my overall performance with Payton, I was happy with the outcome, It met the deadline and I could not ask for more. I never judged Paytons ability to do the job nor did I ever for one moment think he would run away - He has a good reputation here and it was the only reason I chose payton to do the job.

I think one experience that was bad for you SG does not mean it has to be rambled over and over and over again, If so be the case you could be doing better things with your time as trying to destroy someone because of a bad case is not the best way to go.

Their are other avenues to do it if you are truly un-satisfied.

Sean

In all due respect, Payton is not to fully blame here. Why?
Payton sends you a design quote and you will it out to the specifications that are being asked and one of those questions was "Who are your competitors" so obviously you want to compete against somebody and Payton gets a look at these sites and grabs some ideas.That makes absolutely no sense. I am not talking about an inspiration, but an EXACT rip. The SAME EXACT COLORS, DIV SIZES, SITE WIDTH and MANY OTHERS were the EXACT SAME -- NOT inspired. :) The same image names were used, css styles that were specifically named for our site and even some sentences of content. I was watching live tracking (via Kayako LiveSupport) for my website when the rip was being done. He had even left our SupportSuite code in his version while previewing it, showing us exactly what he was doing to which pages, etc. Still think it's just an inspiration?

Typically you cannot rip a site unless you have ripped a site and or have copied the code by it's lines. When I had my experience with Payton it was not the site/content that I was concerned about because I know the job Payton done was unique and their is no other site that has my own Label, Content, And best of all it's not a site you can just buy from the net for free.Typically you cannot rip a site unless you have ripped a site? That doesn't really make sense either.

It's not hard to go to File -> Save As and take all the code/images. Also, if you took a look at this thread (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?p=6166021), you'd realize he has done this before. He left the following code intact in one of his rips:

<!-- Mirrored from threemethods.com/CrazyVPS/ by HTTrack Website Copier/3.x [XR&CO'2008], Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:20:18 GMT -->

Of course, when Payton was questioned in that thread as well, he ignored the fact he used a ripper to copy the code and provided no explanation, despite at least 5 people asking for one.

With my overall performance with Payton, I was happy with the outcome, It met the deadline and I could not ask for more. I never judged Paytons ability to do the job nor did I ever for one moment think he would run away - He has a good reputation here and it was the only reason I chose payton to do the job.Congratulations. I'm glad you're satisfied with a website that has the same buttons (more info/order now) as all his other clients (even his own personal site), almost the same navigation as the design he just did (http://dreamdata.net), the same exact "Live Chat" button and many other replicated elements. And that's just what I saw on your front page!

I think one experience that was bad for you SG does not mean it has to be rambled over and over and over again, If so be the case you could be doing better things with your time as trying to destroy someone because of a bad case is not the best way to go.I'm not out to destroy him or his business; there have been scenarios where I have agreed with things Payton has said. Besides that, I'm here presenting fact, not fiction or opinion.

please let him to do his work , please
i report it to close this thread and i will post a new one and say the result, sorry