I run a site with about 350k impressions a day and 30k visitors. I'm testing out all kinds of different sponsors and now even venturing into popups to a small degree.

I am really dissapointed at how dishonest these jackass advertisers are. I mean, genuinely, what they do is jack up their CPM but then only track 10 percent of the hits!

I tried popuptraffic.com and in one day it logged : 463 Impressions
Same ratio, paypopup.com : 4,100 impressions
Same ratio, popupsponsor.com : 610 Impressions

There is no doubt that even paypopup.com is cutting back, but the degree of cutback that the other two are doing is laughable. It is blatent lying robbery! I can't believe that it is legal to do what they are doing.

I've been witnessing this for a while and just thought I'd share. If anyone knows of any companies they are with that they are happy with, I'd love to know.

how many unique impressions are you getting though?

I wondered that too. Usually they require them to be unique visitors. Also, the pop-up has to fully load, and most people kill them just as fast as they can get their mouse up there to click the X, or use a pop-up killer to do it for them. If it doesn't fully load, you are probably not getting credit for it either.

Pop ups are dead, long live the flash-enabled layers :D

Well, with 30k users a day I'd say about 25k of them see a popup?

What other companies do you use?

Yes, I have same question as "inogenius", how much unique impression do you have? Coz I have 500-1000+ unique visitors main from UK and CA daily, and I do not load pop too often, coz visitors will complain, but I only have around 3-5% discrepancy under my account. Few months ago, I talked to paypopup team, a team guy just told me, there is anti cheat script on their site, bububu... Anyway, I am happy with their stats.

Anyway, I do not expect too much, coz it is my main pocket money source. Just make sure site visitors do not have too much trouble from pops.

I used to have an account with paypopup.com and one day they just dissappeared off the face of the earth. Any money I had with them is obviously completely lost, never got a check or anything. Apparently their back now, and I certainly wouldn't trust them.

I personally have used fastclick.com for (I think) over two years, and I have always received my checks and /quality/ ads. The control they give you over what you allow visitors to see is incredible, and there are so many different types of ads you can use on your site, you'll go cross eyed. I absolutely love them. Of course, I can't give you my username, since advertising isn't allowed here - but I'd love to refer you :p (PM me if you're feeling generous :p).

With respect to fastclick's impression dealings - I've never onced second guessed them. They mainly deal with larger sites, and I feel they have an outstanding reputation (if not one of the best) so I wholeheartedly trust their statistics.

Just my two cents ;)!

Originally posted by loopforever
With respect to fastclick's impression dealings - I've never onced second guessed them. They mainly deal with larger sites, and I feel they have an outstanding reputation (if not one of the best) so I wholeheartedly trust their statistics.

The reason I quit FastClick is because they count only first 3 banner impressions per unique visitor towards your account. So if 1 user looks through 20 of your pages with their banners on them, they will count only the first three. When I found that out - I realized how much of free money I was making them with half a million impressions one of my sites is making.

To thread author: all networks cheat big time, but unfortunately most webmasters do not know how to market themselves or simply don't want to.

Apply to Google AdSense and you'll see your earnings skyrocket. You'll probably be making the same amount of money with AdSense every day than with any other network with three months.

Best,

Ah, I wasn't aware of that.

It doesn't affect me though, because I don't run banner ads (I don't feel like they make much money). I run 1 popbehind every 12 hours per unique visitor, and 1 invue per unique visitor. Popbehinds make a little bit more - but not everyone sees them, hence the invue ads. :)

Originally posted by loopforever
I used to have an account with paypopup.com and one day they just dissappeared off the face of the earth. Any money I had with them is obviously completely lost, never got a check or anything. Apparently their back now, and I certainly wouldn't trust them.



Oh really, i never had that problem with paypopup, did you talk to them about it? I believe they have live support, and you can talk to their crews. I usually did some research before join any advertising network, just make sure they will pay. For faskclick.com, do not have to check, coz it is brand name, but they do not accept small site. For paypopup.com, they have fair feedback at geekvillage's forum.

Originally posted by timechange.com
Pop ups are dead, long live the flash-enabled layers :D I would have to agree with that statement, so many companies like AOL and EarthLink have a popup blocker built in, so you will not reach as many users as before. The general reaction to a popup would probably be ALT+F4... at least that's what I do.

Originally posted by friendzone
Oh really, i never had that problem with paypopup, did you talk to them about it? I believe they have live support, and you can talk to their crews. I usually did some research before join any advertising network, just make sure they will pay. For faskclick.com, do not have to check, coz it is brand name, but they do not accept small site. For paypopup.com, they have fair feedback at geekvillage's forum.

The site I had paypopup ads running on was not accepted by fastclick because of the content that I had on it (though we received an incredible amount of hits (ranked #1 on MANY MANY google searches). I just remember attempting to check my stats one day, and the site was gone and the ads stopped appearing. Never bothered to contact them, because my domain expired and I wasn't getting any money to support the site, so I closed it. Perhaps I'll contact fastclikc again and see if they'll let me in - I could use the extra cash :).

Originally posted by zerosix
I would have to agree with that statement, so many companies like AOL and EarthLink have a popup blocker built in, so you will not reach as many users as before. The general reaction to a popup would probably be ALT+F4... at least that's what I do.

Judging from my own stats and from watching relatives and even other students here at Drexel U. browse the web, less than half have popup blockers installed still. It seems obvious to those of us more familiar with high-tech lines of work and play, but some people just leave the popups til they're done browsing then close em all.

How many uniques per day and page impressions per day would my site need to have before I could get accepted to a well known/ good paying network?

pop-up stoppers? If I visit your site and I block pop-ups do you get the impression? Almost everyone I know runs pop-up "killers"

Most of these popup networks pay based on uniques but deliver raw impressions.

IE: popuptraffic delivers any time you serve their code, but they only pay you once. They also deliver to various counties they don't pay for.

Sorry -- an ad network should ONLY deliver if you're being paid for it (excluding if they're going to serve PSAs, obviously). If they only want to pay you on a unique, only SERVE on a unique.