american flag and gasoline

haha saw that along time ago...

i was about to say.. how dare you post a pic of a burnin flag... then i read it and it was funny

Ha. Funny. Never seen it before.

And why not?

Its just a flag imho...

Originally posted by squirrel
i was about to say.. how dare you post a pic of a burnin flag... then i read it and it was funny

best "priceless" picture yet.

Originally posted by edude
And why not?

Its just a flag imho...





Just a flag? where you from?

Australia..

yes its just a flag, a piece of material, big deal..

Originally posted by edude
Australia..

yes its just a flag, a piece of material, big deal..

well in american (assuming you don;'t know this) people have died for that flag...so no its not "just a flag"...

No, people never die for "flags", always another motive behind it, political issues and especially money.

LMAO just shows your ignorance its called a symbal o' smart one...

Ok, go ahead die for your flag, a piece of material..

Enjoy.


PS: Maybe it shows your "ignorance", because someone has a different view, it doesnt mean they are "ignorant"..

Originally posted by edude
No, people never die for "flags", always another motive behind it, political issues and especially money.



like I aid shows your ignorance...if we didn't have that flag you and most of the rest of the world would be speaking german right now.

Right, the Flag beat the germans...

Wow, this flag must have magical powers :P

arg you have a dense head if you have one at all...you know what i mean.

No, your just gullible.. :P

Originally posted by edude
No, your just gullible.. :P

puchie suka

Originally posted by interactive
like I aid shows your ignorance...if we didn't have that flag you and most of the rest of the world would be speaking german right now.

What is wrong with german ?

I touched a few flags and they always seemed like material to me. Unfortunately I never had chance to touch American flag. It might be different case with it. Even if it is I do not believe that there are many people who will willingly die for it. As a prof you might wanna ask around. Majority of people who "died for a flag" had no choice, were uninformed or simply mistaken.

Sasha i 100% agree with you, great comments there :)

:agree: :agree:

Originally posted by sasha


What is wrong with german ?

I touched a few flags and they always seemed like material to me. Unfortunately I never had chance to touch American flag. It might be different case with it. Even if it is I do not believe that there are many people who will willingly die for it. As a prof you might wanna ask around. Majority of people who "died for a flag" had no choice, were uninformed or simply mistaken.

Originally posted by sasha


What is wrong with german ?

I touched a few flags and they always seemed like material to me. Unfortunately I never had chance to touch American flag. It might be different case with it. Even if it is I do not believe that there are many people who will willingly die for it. As a prof you might wanna ask around. Majority of people who "died for a flag" had no choice, were uninformed or simply mistaken.

nah its just liberals thee days who dont want to protect thier freedom...

Originally posted by edude
Ok, go ahead die for your flag, a piece of material..
My guess is you haven't served in any armed forces. I don't know if Australia is any different, but in America, the flag is a symbol. Burning it has a large significance.

Why do you think anti-Americans burn the American flag and display it upside down? Why not just burn a t-shirt and hold a tea-cup upside down? The t-shirt and tea-cup don't mean anything -- the flag does.

Ignorance was the correct word; however, don't mistake it for stupidity.

They burn the flag to get your attention, but really you shouldn't be giving it to them..

Its a piece of material, nothing else...

When it comes down to the facts, none of you would really give your lives for that piece of material, unless forced to.

Originally posted by allera

My guess is you haven't served in any armed forces. I don't know if Australia is any different, but in America, the flag is a symbol. Burning it has a large significance.

Why do you think anti-Americans burn the American flag and display it upside down? Why not just burn a t-shirt and hold a tea-cup upside down? The t-shirt and tea-cup don't mean anything -- the flag does.

Ignorance was the correct word; however, don't mistake it for stupidity.


lol thanks for the "agreeance"

Originally posted by sasha
Even if it is I do not believe that there are many people who will willingly die for it. As a prof you might wanna ask around. Majority of people who "died for a flag" had no choice, were uninformed or simply mistaken.
Have you ever seen the movie "The Patriot?" If not, watch the last 1/4 of it and then re-state your statement.

Life isn't based on movies, but movies are often based on life.

If a flag does not stand for a country, why do countries have flags?

Yes i've seen the patriot..

In that case, if it wasn't for the French you'd all be poms..

mr interactive :P

french didn't help that much movie is inacurate...

For anyone still confused as to what the meaning of a flag really is:


flag
n.
A piece of cloth, usually rectangular, of distinctive color and design, used as a symbol, standard, signal, or emblem.


http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=flag

The physical attributes of a flag bears no meaning other than distinction from other flags; it's the purpose of the flag that is significant -- and is what many, many people have died for.

I didn't think I'd have to actually pull out this definition...

Never saw the movie, but saw couple "real world" wars. I saw flag being used as bandage, bondage, blanket, bad, toilet paper and more.

Hmm, maybe I did misjudged the true value of the flag.

sasha...what country you from?

Again you are too "proud" of your flag to admit it wouldn't be the flag it is now nor the country if it wasn't for the French, ofcourse history classes in your country do not give credit to the French, they would like to think the "americans" liberated themselves, i suggest you read some "non biased" history books, or maybe i can fish some up for you..

But later, i'm off for now.

Originally posted by edude
Again you are too "proud" of your flag to admit it wouldn't be the flag it is now nor the country if it wasn't for the French, ofcourse history classes in your country do not give credit to the French, they would like to think the "americans" liberated themselves, i suggest you read some "non biased" history books, or maybe i can fish some up for you..

But later, i'm off for now.

kinda funny how i dont goto public school so i wouldn't be reading your "biased history books". my brother has a 4 year degree in polical science....I pick alot up from him ;)

Right.

Polical science, whatever that is.

Originally posted by interactive


kinda funny how i dont goto public school so i wouldn't be reading your "biased history books". my brother has a 4 year degree in polical science....I pick alot up from him ;)

Originally posted by edude
Right.

Polical science, whatever that is.



they dont have political science in aussy land?

Originally posted by edude
Again you are too "proud" of your flag to admit it wouldn't be the flag it is now nor the country if it wasn't for the French, ofcourse history classes in your country do not give credit to the French, they would like to think the "americans" liberated themselves, i suggest you read some "non biased" history books, or maybe i can fish some up for you..
What does this have to do with the price of tea in china?

And for your information, our history classes DO give credit to the French and any other country that aided us or allied with us in any situation.

I suggest you understand what you are talking about before you make accusations you cannot back up.

Originally posted by interactive
like I aid shows your ignorance...if we didn't have that flag you and most of the rest of the world would be speaking german right now.

Obviously you're the ignorant one.

Only ignorant people like you would never even be aware of the fact that countires other than the U.S were involved in WWII.

The U.S did not "save" the world from the Nazi's...

And why not?

Its just a flag imho...

That shows your complete and total ignorance. It's fine with me that you don't agree with anything the US does. It's fine with me if you hate Americans. What am I going to do about it? But when you go off and insult someone for their views on the flag, that's another thing "dude." It may just be a piece of material to you, but some people are proud of that piece of material. Their brothers, fathers, husbands, have fought and died for that piece of material that you like to call it.


Again you are too "proud" of your flag to admit it wouldn't be the flag it is now nor the country if it wasn't for the French, ofcourse history classes in your country do not give credit to the French, they would like to think the "americans" liberated themselves, i suggest you read some "non biased" history books, or maybe i can fish some up for you..

hmmm... I could've sworn how in my History book it said the french aided americans in the revolutionary and many others. I could've sworn how it said England has also aided American's many times also. So until you read our history don't say a thing, because you don't know about them.

The U.S did not "save" the world from the Nazi's...

The US didn't save the world from Hitler and his Nazi's however they sure helped. A bunch of good 'ole boys in England held of the Nazi's for a long period of time before America finally came in and helped out.

edude,

It is clear from your previous threads that you have some issues with the United States. Lets just review a few things...

1. You used to own ValuableHost.com. You talk about our messed up morals and values, yet you had no problem vacationing for a week when your servers were down. You had no problem providing absolutely horrible support. Your business ethics were horrendous, and your thought process differed greatly from rationality, yet you stand alone, willing to take a shot at the US whenever possible.

2. The flag has little material value, just as the Mona Lisa, the Hope Diamond, and many other goods. They have value because of the beliefs attached to them. If you are unable to grasp that concept as a political science major in college im even more worried. As a History major with a minor in Political Science, one quickly learns the political, emotional, and other sentiments attached to material objects.

3. Your inability to get past the black and white, right and wrong, stage of life scares me. Psychologically you should have started to see deeper meaning at age 7, and by 14 it should have been fully developed. You're a bit behind my friend.

You were able to change your nick from HostEXP to edude, but sadly you havent changed a bit.

I thought burning a flag was the dignified way of putting it to rest when it's done its time and being replaced by a new one on one's frontyard pole?

Which of course is very unlike burning it upside down in the street.

Edude: take it easy, you can have your point of view understood without provoking people.

Interactive: Americans were indeed the key player in the defeat of the nazis. However, I can't help but giggle when I read "if we didn't have that flag". How exactly were you personnally part of this?
One thing that saddens me most in America is how ill-treated war Veterans are. Don't you, on top of that, pretend to be their speaker. I have talked to some veterans who are way more open-minded than you are.

*Yawns* In my opinion the flag is a symbol, although one myself don't really care about but will respect which is what you can do at least edude you may not like something but you should respect it ;):).

Now with that said to me the flag is a mere piece of material nothing more nothing less, to others it symbolizes people who have died for America.

The U.S. I will admit is a key player in the whole ordeal of WWII. My grandfather, grandmother both served in WWII. Without the U.S. the Germans most likeley would have won that war, as they were allied with Japan when perl harbor went down the U.S. nuked them twice showing a truely powerfull face that they weren't afraid to use again. Once hitler new it was over he killed himself ;o).

That's my 0.02, as this is nothing to argue over.

Originally posted by 311


Obviously you're the ignorant one.

Only ignorant people like you would never even be aware of the fact that countires other than the U.S were involved in WWII.

The U.S did not "save" the world from the Nazi's...


lmao...then who did the canadians?

Originally posted by cyansmoker

Interactive: Americans were indeed the key player in the defeat of the nazis. However, I can't help but giggle when I read "if we didn't have that flag". How exactly were you personnally part of this?
One thing that saddens me most in America is how ill-treated war Veterans are. Don't you, on top of that, pretend to be their speaker. I have talked to some veterans who are way more open-minded than you are.

Like someone else said in this thread go watch "the patriot". I don't pretend or try to act as "their speaker". I've got my opinions just like everyone else has (or we hope anyways). Picture it this way, the flag was used as a symbol, of our freedom, if they weren't fighting for freedom then what in God's wonderful world were they fighting for? Point taken.

Originally posted by interactive
lmao...then who did the canadians?

Where did I refer to Canada in my post? I don't think I did.

LOL ..funny how this thread just changed directions ...

edude ......yes political issues does play a part.....not a bad point ..but

if you have issues with the US then kept it to yourself....If you don't think that ppl have died for their country (which the flag represtents)...then keep quite.

Wonder how many of your US customers would stay if they read this thread.. :rolleyes: *cough none! ..Wonder why! *cough

I'm not going to sit here and write a long @ss post...but the word ignorance (as interactive said) comes to mind.

:o

Originally posted by TheMMIz
edude,


1. You used to own ValuableHost.com. You talk about our messed up morals and values, yet you had no problem vacationing for a week when your servers were down. You had no problem providing absolutely horrible support. Your business ethics were horrendous, and your thought process differed greatly from rationality, yet you stand alone, willing to take a shot at the US whenever possible.




OH!!! BURRRRRN!!!

Originally posted by 311


Where did I refer to Canada in my post? I don't think I did.

called "sarcasm" sorry.

Originally posted by interactive


called "sarcasm" sorry.

It's all right. This is a pointless debate anyways...:D

I like debates, even if they are pointless. We should add a debate forum. Make it have some rules, such as no personal insults and stuff like that. Of course, what does that have to do with webhosting?

Originally posted by inogenius
I like debates, even if they are pointless. We should add a debate forum. Make it have some rules, such as no personal insults and stuff like that. Of course, what does that have to do with webhosting?

I agree.. a debate forum would be very entertaining.

what does this thread have to do with webhosting? I dont think it matters.. :)

you could debate over hosting providers too!! come on chicken, lez do it!

haha, indeed.

Just to add my two cents here ....



To the guy who said that if it wasn't for the Americans the world would be talking German now ...



Well I have a couple of historical issues here ...

* It wasn't just the Americans it was the Russians too ...

* Advances in WW2 were made by the Russians and the allied forces.

* The allied forces were NOT made up entirely of Americans as the Dirty Dozen/Kelly's heroes movies might suggest.



BUT:



If it wasn't for the Americans we might all be speaking Russian in Europe.



Also:

Funny enough, but German and French are the most popular languages in Europe.



Furthermore:

The flag is an important patriotic symbol for a lot of countries. Americans treasure this symbol highly and it gives a feeling of unity and self worth, which many countries could take lessons from. Although I am not sure if I myself would go to war over any 'symbol' but as history shows; flags, crosses(religion), mistresses are all good reasons to go kill each other.



And lastly:



ALL wars were/are/will be fought over religion / money and power. Actually power comes from possession of the previous two. Another factor in starting wars is to show to the rest of the world that we are number one.



Even though the outward appearance might be of well being or protection of a weaker individual, no country / person would travel 5000miles to get involved in another man's problems unless there was something in it for him.



And to answer the forthcoming question, I am Polish, so it is basically all our fault, if we just gave Gdansk (Danzig) to the Germans up front there would be no problems at all.





*hope I will not get flamed too much for this, but these are just my thoughts on the situation*

Enough of the arguments and "my country is better than your country" rubbish.

England is basically superior - lets agree on that.

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Yeah ,.. especially since euro-asia is just a big island attached to england

Originally posted by HingyGuy
Yeah ,.. especially since euro-asia is just a big island attached to england
I have to disagree.
They never developed the virtues you'll find in genuine islanders.

Originally posted by HingyGuy
To the guy who said that if it wasn't for the Americans the world would be talking German now ...

Well I have a couple of historical issues here ...

* It wasn't just the Americans it was the Russians too ...

* Advances in WW2 were made by the Russians and the allied forces.

* The allied forces were NOT made up entirely of Americans as the Dirty Dozen/Kelly's heroes movies might suggest.

Ah! But can you not say as well:

If it wasn't for the Russions, the world would be talking German now.

If it wasn't for the English, the world would be talking German now.

If it wasn't for the French, the world would be talking German now.

If it wasn't for the Germans, the world wouldn't be speaking English now. :)

My point is, you can insert any ally country into that sentence and still have a valid point. Yea, the Americans didn't fight the war alone, but if it wasn't for their help (and every other individual country's help), we just might all be talking German right now...

(I don't hold much stock in that statement anyway, but I just felt like throwing MY two pennies into the pot). Who gets this pot, anyway. I'm sure it's worth millions by now...

Some Points your correct some your wrong. The germans totally screwed up, they would be dominating along with Russia and Japan right now, if they hadn't started going after the Russians. Russians got pissed and they turned to the Allies. I'm sure we can all agree on the fact that America (not trying to brag here) has saved other countries butt's more then once. The reason (like I stated before) Bush wants to take down Saddam, is due to the fact he has made threats. It is believed that he has nukes/chemical/biological weapons, I don't think it would be in Bush's best interest for the USA to get nuked. Another thing, not all wars are started over religon/posessions. Look at "The war on terrosism" we declared war on the Taliban government. We were attacking them due to the fact they did not control their people and they promoted terrorism. Another war, the Israeli war back in the 70's (the 7 day war). Wasn't really over land/religon as many think, Palestine attacked Israel so Israel brought out a can of whoop a and unleashed it on Palestine
Originally posted by HingyGuy
Just to add my two cents here ....



To the guy who said that if it wasn't for the Americans the world would be talking German now ...



Well I have a couple of historical issues here ...

* It wasn't just the Americans it was the Russians too ...

* Advances in WW2 were made by the Russians and the allied forces.

* The allied forces were NOT made up entirely of Americans as the Dirty Dozen/Kelly's heroes movies might suggest.



BUT:



If it wasn't for the Americans we might all be speaking Russian in Europe.



Also:

Funny enough, but German and French are the most popular languages in Europe.

Furthermore:

The flag is an important patriotic symbol for a lot of countries. Americans treasure this symbol highly and it gives a feeling of unity and self worth, which many countries could take lessons from. Although I am not sure if I myself would go to war over any 'symbol' but as history shows; flags, crosses(religion), mistresses are all good reasons to go kill each other.

And lastly:

ALL wars were/are/will be fought over religion / money and power. Actually power comes from possession of the previous two. Another factor in starting wars is to show to the rest of the world that we are number one.



Even though the outward appearance might be of well being or protection of a weaker individual, no country / person would travel 5000miles to get involved in another man's problems unless there was something in it for him.



And to answer the forthcoming question, I am Polish, so it is basically all our fault, if we just gave Gdansk (Danzig) to the Germans up front there would be no problems at all.





*hope I will not get flamed too much for this, but these are just my thoughts on the situation*

- Viloence is not the way -

* Kill all politicians
* Kill all extremists
* Kill all militantas
* Kill all pacifists
* Kill all agnostics
* Kill all lawyers (just incase)
* Kill all unlimited-bandwith providers

When that is done all that's left will be the plants and wild animals which will mean that the Borg will not be able to asimilate us and the world will be safe for the dinosaurs to take over.

Wow, this thread took a wrong turn (content wise) real fast. I might as well leave my 2 cents.

I'm not going to get into that American/German/or any other country/WW2 thing or which country is superior as I don't care (per topic being discussed). The only thing I care about is that I am proud to be from my country.

I spent 8 years in the United States Air Force. I am proud to have gave 8 years of my life to serve my country and honor our flag (I still do). It does get to me when someone disrespects "my" flag as it symbolizes what we/I stand for.

We may live in different parts of the world, have different values and beliefs, but I would expect the same from anyone, no matter what country they are from. To say you don't care for your country's flag is disrespectful to your country and it's people. Now you can't tell me that in your country people don't honor their/your country's flag as much as people from the US and that I am being bias. I am a soccer/futbol/football fan (I like teams worldwide) and every international game I watch the fans are always waving their flag, being proud. I have seen it with North American, South American, Asian, European and Middle Eastern country's.

Just by watching the news I can see how people fight/die/believe in their country and their flag.

(IMHO) The fact of the matter is that all the previous post that imply that the flag is only a piece of cloth and not a symbol are mere individual opinions/preferences and not a country's overall belief.

If it matters at all, yes I am from the United States. Born and Raised in Hawaii, but now living in Las Vegas, Nevada. I am proud to be American, I am proud to be Hawaiian. I think it would be great that everyone be proud of who you are, what country you're from and honor your flag as it symbolizes you and your country.

Now that my fingers are cramping up... :cool:

It might be only me, but I never cared too much for any symbol/idea/person that was invented or used with intention to tell me who or what I am or what or not I should stand for. This is why some things like flag, religion, country and common morals come very very low on my list of values. That is not to say that I have no morals and believes.

I have problem understanding how can someone be proud because you are born of one or another nationality. How much of it was your doing and result of your inteligence/effort/knowledge? Would you be less proud if you are born something different? Does that mean that it is better to be American then German? The things I am proud of are my family, friends, work, experiences and sexual encounters. I appologize if this insullts someone, that is not my intention.

When that is done all that's left will be the plants and wild animals which will mean that the Borg will not be able to asimilate us and the world will be safe for the dinosaurs to take over.
I happen to like plants and wild animals and there some people I would like to have replaced with the tree or flower.

Originally posted by interactive
Palestine attacked Israel so Israel brought out a can of whoop a and unleashed it on Palestine


Shows you bias and one-minded approach, wow they attacked them with bamboo sticks....

And I think there have been enough posts on this issue and is irrelevance on this particular thread....

All I say is get out of America and see the way others see you...

Just adding some valuable points...

Originally posted by sasha
I have problem understanding how can someone be proud because you are born of one or another nationality.I assume this is for me????
"Hawaiian" is a nationality/race, a bloodline where "American" (US) is not. I am Hawaiian by race, I am American because I was born/raised/live in the US. For those who may not know, Hawaii is part of the US. I may even get some heat from other US Americans on that, but just like you I have my own way of looking at things.

Originally posted by sasha
How much of it was your doing and result of your inteligence/effort/knowledge?There are other Hawaiians that feel differently as they may have grew up in different eras. For me, I proudly live the Hawaiian life, heritage and culture in modern times as the 50th State of America. If you think about it everyone worldwide is "taught" what they are, where the live. Fortunately many of us have the right to interpret, believe and express how we feel. Others do not have that freedom.

Originally posted by sasha
Would you be less proud if you are born something different? The type of individual I am, I would be proud no matter where or what I am. In fact, I also have a little Chinese, Filipino and Portuguese mixed in with Hawaiian. I am proud of it all. I also know of the background.

Does that mean that it is better to be American then German?[/QUOTE]I think I answered that in my first post. No race is better than any other. How could it be compared??? I do not agree with everything the US does as no country is 100% perfect, but I am proud and have served my military time to honor and give back to my country. All I'm saying/asking is even if we don't see eye to eye shouldn't everyone be proud of and honor their country, no matter where?

BTW, I have seen that photo before and yes I thought it was funny. The way the original post was meant.

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