giveit2me43.com is a forum that allows users to post links to download pirated softwares, if you register in their forum, there are 1000s of pirated softwares, games, books, hacks, and the guys that are running this forum is GIVEIT2MEHOSTING.COM , I personally wouldnt host with such company, bewarned, softwares on their servers may be ripped too.:rolleyes:


[edit] also, i wouldnt trust them with my credit card details either!:angry:

[edit] also, i wouldnt trust them with my credit card details either!giveit2me43.com is a forum that allows users to post links to download pirated softwares, if you register in their forum, there are 1000s of pirated softwares, games, books, hacks, and the guys that are running this forum is GIVEIT2MEHOSTING.COM , I personally wouldnt host with such company, bewarned, softwares on their servers may be ripped too.

Yes we do run that forum and have done for over 2 years, we have been providing webhosting now for over 5 years. and have over 300 customers and i am sure if you ask any of them about us they will say they are 100% happy with our service.

Every piece of software on our server is onwed. if we used ripped/cracked software do you think we would still be in bussiness???????

also, i wouldnt trust them with my credit card details either

we dont see any credit card info, it is all handled by worldpay :P

And just one last thing the giveit2me43.com forum is legal :P

but you have some strange links overthere.. :rolleyes:

why do you run such forum? the forum itself is legal because your not *hosting* the illegal softwares, but it contains information to illegal contents.

Would you consider Osama Bin Ladin NOT guilty because "he" didnt do all the bombing?

and I bet 290 of 300 customers of yours, are the folks that visit your warez forum, which IMO doesn't count much..

just my 2 cents

Please do not jump to conclusions about other ppl. i have had my domain hosted with them for over 2 years now and i have found the service to be top quality and never had any trouble with money as its done through PAY PAL. just airing my view on the matter :)

why do you run such forum?

giveit2me43 started as a hobby and has sice grown to be one of the biggest and the best forums on the net.

Would you consider Osama Bin Ladin NOT guilty because "he" didnt do all the bombing

WTF

1st post? you registered just to post this?

what a coincidence, a customer just pop by when their host is been questioned.....

I won't say that the owner of giveit2mehosting is a pirate, but I will say that he sure is doing something wrong by creating such a forum...

also i know for a fact that certain statt at rackshack run a warez forum, does this mean that you are going to look differently upon them as well.

guess this is going to turn in to a good debate

Originally posted by giveit2me


giveit2me43 started as a hobby and has sice grown to be one of the biggest and the best forums on the net.



WTF

You didn't get my point? my point is, although your not hosting the actual priated softwares for downloads, your site is still illegal because you are providing other people with the resource to download pirated softwares. If you use the software, why not go out and buy it? the developer's income depends on it, why should they spend all the time developing it and then you come along and grab it for free?

Originally posted by giveit2me
also i know for a fact that certain statt at rackshack run a warez forum, does this mean that you are going to look differently upon them as well.

guess this is going to turn in to a good debate

it certainly would. warez = pirate = wrong.

what a coincidence, a customer just pop by when their host is been questioned.....

Well if ur host was coming under fire would u not stand up for them?

You didn't get my point? my point is, although your not hosting the actual priated softwares for downloads, your site is still illegal because you are providing other people with the resource to download pirated softwares. If you use the software, why not go out and buy it? the developer's income depends on it, why should they spend all the time developing it and then you come along and grab it for free?

good point and am not going to get in to the ethics of the site. but your main point was dont trust giveit2mehsoting.com I am trust trying to put people straight that we can be trusted. just because we run giveit2me43.com doesnt make us crooks.

And i will say this again giveit2me43.com is 100% legal, do you not think we would of been closed down in the 2 years it has been running if it wasnt legal???????

Originally posted by ToRNNNNN


Well if ur host was coming under fire would u not stand up for them?

I would, but im curious how you came accross this thread? giveit2me told you to? its just a coincident that you pop by at the right place at the right time :rolleyes:

i was actually talking to the guy via our online support service at the time i found this thread, and showed it to him. i never asked him to reply I think the service we offer speaks for itself.

Originally posted by giveit2me


good point and am not going to get in to the ethics of the site. but your main point was dont trust giveit2mehsoting.com I am trust trying to put people straight that we can be trusted. just because we run giveit2me43.com doesnt make us crooks.

And i will say this again giveit2me43.com is 100% legal, do you not think we would of been closed down in the 2 years it has been running if it wasnt legal???????

I did mention, i *personally* wouldnt trust someone that run such site. Im not saying everyone else should not trust you. I leave that for them to decide...

I wonder if adobe and microsoft knows about your site, although its legal by the rules(that it does not host any of the softwares), but its morally wrong to provide such links and downloads.

Originally posted by giveit2me
i was actually talking to the guy via our online support service at the time i found this thread, and showed it to him. i never asked him to reply I think the service we offer speaks for itself.

i c... i apologise for the accusation..:)

We've had a similar problem recently with a American-Vietnamese client who is hosting with us. We normally send clients to different sites/servers depending on their needs. This particular client required large amounts of space and bandwidth for his discussion boards, and we managed to accomodate him.

We made random checks on his site every now and again, as this is a policy of ours, to check if everything was kosher. However the fact that a majority of the content was Vietnamese, meant we couldn't really understand most of the posts on the forum.

On one of the random checks we happened to find a forum, that seemed to be hidden previously, offering links to software cracks and serial numbers. Immediately the page was suspended and an email was sent to the owner. He contacted me asking why his site was suspended. After checking his email he decided to argue with us, saying that he hadn't placed the software on his forum, so he hadn't violated any rules.

That excuse didn't wash with us at all. Software piracy in any form is illegal, bending the rules by not hosting the content yourself, in my opinion is unacceptable and thus we ordered him to either remove the content, or take his business elsewhere. He allowed us to remove the forums, and his site was unsuspended. The law might be not be clear on this, but hackers, piraters, script kiddies and the like attract nothing but trouble, and any host that allows them to run riot on their servers clearly does not have his/her client's interests at heart.

Software piracy in any form is illegal, bending the rules by not hosting the content yourself, in my opinion is unacceptable

I agree totally!

and the fact that the person OWNING this warez forum is also the owner of the hosting company makes it worse. Businessman by day, theif by night IMO :mad:

and the fact that the person OWNING this warez forum is also the owner of the hosting company makes it worse. Businessman by day, theif by night IMO

I dont own either giveit2me43 or giveit2mehosting, i just work for them.

We don't really care what you do. As far as we know the OWNER of Giveit2mehosting owns the forum. We're saying he/she is in the wrong.

Originally posted by giveit2me


I dont own either giveit2me43 or giveit2mehosting, i just work for them.

oh i c.. :eek: :rolleyes:

Hosting serial numbers and cracks for software are very different from hosting the actual software bundled with the cracks.

The serials and cracks themselves pose no harm to anyone, it's when they are combined that it does the harm.

It's sort of like how people get a hold of machine guns, most of the parts you purchase as individual items, it's just a matter of having a "finished" copy.

That's why it is legal -- because it's not the end product.

I'm not a supporter of piracy, but one of the best arguements i've seen in regards to piracy is that companies are always claiming they are losing $X dollars each year due to piracy....

Not everyone who pirates their product would have otherwise paid for it. Companies can't claim that there are a million illegal copies of their software installed throughout the world, and that they are losing 1 million * $price because it's a safe bet that the "pirates" would not have purchased the software to begin with. It's a moot point.

Yes... i'm ranting

*sleep*

there's actually links to the actual software downloads and their cracks/serials.

But I agree with your analogy, it just doesn't apply in this person's case.

Originally posted by giveit2me
. . . . . . .just because we run giveit2me43.com doesnt make us crooks. . . . . .Just means you support crooks. :rolleyes:

I run a pirated version of freebsd on my server :stickout:

Originally posted by giveit2me
I dont own either giveit2me43 or giveit2mehosting, i just work for them.
You're listed as the admin of both domain names. You sure about that?

Clockwork... your quite incorrect there.

According to the DMCA linking to, or aiding in the bypassing of copyright protection on software is just as bad as offering the software its self. That was one of the main key points of the DMCA. You are just as guilty by linking to warez or providing serial numbers for warez as you are if you host the pirated software yourself. Also quite frankly since its illegal and since you all seem to be ignoring the fact that its illegal I'll just mosey off and drop a note to the upstream if you don't mind.

Whether giveit2mehosting provides links to or hosts the pirated software they are still providing a means for people to download illegal copies of software. Thus giveit2mehosting fully support the use and are encouraging people to download and use such illegal material.

This is just a classic warez site and as giveit2mehosting are the site owners they are just a classic warez type hosting company.

Originally posted by Chicken
You're listed as the admin of both domain names. You sure about that?
Guess it's just the normal kind of script kiddie :rolleyes:

Originally posted by DanielP
I'll just mosey off and drop a note to the upstream if you don't mind.
Considering doing the same :)

Neat.. its a cogent line... I wonder if we will get to see a recreation of the FDC incident :)

Originally posted by DanielP
Neat.. its a cogent line... I wonder if we will get to see a recreation of the FDC incident :)
Well we all know how Cogent like cutting sites like this off, anyway time to open Outlook I think :D

MiamiNAC is the DC they're hosting from.

MiamiNac.com or?

I'll forward my email that I sent to cogent to them as well then.

What's the address for Cogent abuse, Daniel? I will shoot them off an email also. The more the merrier :)

abuse@cogentco.com :)

how nice of you..

I do hope you understand that you could be facing a lot of trouble :)

i think i will have to change my cpanel supplier ;)

As you wish :)

I work with too many developers who have made too many products so I know what it feels like first hand when all of a sudden something you've spent months on to try and make a living is out floating about for free and your site does nothing to help that, so by doing so you've already accepted the risks, fines and potential jail time behind running one.

Email on it's way; I think it will be rather amusing when Cogent pull the upstream to this site or the data center pull the server off the rack.

Originally posted by giveit2me
i think i will have to change my cpanel supplier ;)
If you are trying to imply that Effect Online are your CPanel supplier, I really don't think Daniel would care. I don't see why he would really want a 'Warez Supporter' as a client ;)

He is, but it doesn't matter... I have nothing against him wanting to use cpanel or running a legal host, but I cannot agree with him faciliting the transfer of illegal copies of software, it doesn't matter what any of us think if its right or not, plain and simple the law says its illegal end of story.

good to see its been taken care of! :D

Originally posted by wook
good to see its been taken care of! :D
And why are you so glad Wook? Is it that you can profile your self over the backs of others, or are you the Don Quichotte of software land.

I personaly think it's reason number 1.


Maybe you can do some thinking and come to a real conclusion on this question but i'll doubt you'll even be honest to your self!

Originally posted by Voornaam

And why are you so glad Wook?
Probably for the same reason as most people. He doesn't like to see software developers be ripped off :rolleyes:

Originally posted by rochen

Probably for the same reason as most people. He doesn't like to see software developers be ripped off :rolleyes:

I am a developer myself, please stop fighting for me, I make over $60.000 dollars a year. I know 50% of all the software out there isn't worth what they ask for it.

Let's be real, there are loads and loads of dot com millionairs. Are those the once who are getting ripped off?

Anyway, I still doubt that that's wook's motivation.

Or maybe it's because when software developers are ripped off,
1) They have to waste vaulable time and effort that could be spent further developing their product into developing ways to prevent being ripped off instead. Like installing first with key, then registering it, getting another key to prove registration, then letting the software "phone home" to get updates.
and
2) They have to charge the legal buyers more money for the product.
As legal buyers of software, we can and will jump all over pirates, because when you get into our pockets, we have every right to get into your business.
Also as an interent user, and website(s) owner it is people like you (warez distributors or crackers) that cost us all time, money, and bandwidth as you suck these resources up for losers who won't pay, and therefore do not deserve to have these products.

While I will fight for the little guy, I am sure Mr.Gates can handle his own battles.
After reading all of this, I walk away wondering what is the real reason for this thread?

To ATST
First of all, I agree with you partialy and act on it that way.

Every thing I use professionally is paid for. No question there. On the 2 other points you've made.

1) You are not only paying for the people who are using pirated software. You are mostly paying for the 80 million on Bill's account and every like every other dot com millionaire.Somehow it's always the branche (like the movie and music industry) where the most bucks are and that shout the hardest. Those people are making enormous ammounts of money, and are crying the could make billions more...

2) Could be true, but remember, the more users on broadband the lower the price, the more investments will be made and the more bandwidth comes available.

@ nvphone
After reading all of this, I walk away wondering what is the real reason for this thread?
My point exactly!

I walk away wondering what is the real reason for this thread?

I think the main reason for the thread was to get giveit2me43 closed down, wook was propably an upset ex member of 43.

well i guess time will tell if you guys manage to close 43.

Well, not seeing the types of software on the site, MS (or Bill Gates) does not come to mind when I think of software developers. I think of the guy who made my favorite email proggy, that was exactly what I was looking for, and the people who made my other favorite programs as well. I would like to be able to continue to pay for (and therefore support them) but if their prices get too high, I will know who to blame.

Big software developers like Microsoft, Adobe, etc don't bother with "Consumers" pirating their software, not a whole lot, of course they care :) But they really nail businesses and go after them more than a sole person, they simply don't have time to go after 1 average joe, looking for a free product. In this case, he's running a business, and supporting the pirating of software.... conclusion? Guilty?

I am also shooting off an e-mail to congent. Warez is wrong.

To ATST
Like installing first with key, then registering it, getting another key to prove registration, then letting the software "phone home" to get updates.
That part made me believe you where talking about MS, sorry if I got you wrong.

just I thought i would shed some info on this matter, i do not in anyway affiliate with any of the party mentioned in this thread, nor I support warez or piracy.

Running a warez website is completely legal and it is not considered as piracy, warez is more like a media that provide information to users about the location of downloadable software.

if it is illegal, they would have been closed down. piracy is illegal but i do not think running warez site is illegal for now, in the future it might be.

and again, i do not affiliate with any party mentioned in this thread and I do not support piracy or warez.

Believe me, it's not that I mind you are sending emails or what ever, it's just that I have doubts about your motivations. It looks like you are trying to be a bigger believer than the pope. That's why I called wook, Don Quichotte.

Can I mention that I ran a red light last night?

Why is everyone jumping on the bandwagon to bash this host who allows a message board with links ?

Granted, *I* wouldnt allow it myself, but only because I wouldnt want to deal with any legal hassles.

I dont see the need to moralize over it.


FACT: Software companies (Like ALL companies that are in business to make a profit) charge as much as the market will bear for their product.

Everyone wants profit in some way. You know it, I know it.
The BS figures that software companies toss out there to say "we lost this much money because we found this number of unlicensed copies" are nothing more than number games. They reflect things in a perfect world where all those that didnt pay actually DID pay, and we all know that in business that doesnt happen.

Do they REALLY raise the price on software due to piracy ? Not really. Do they raise the price as much as is possible to have market saturation and make at least some profit on software they produce ? You bet they do!


I've written software, offered it as shareware, and no one person ever paid for it. (I can honestly say some of the software was junk, since it was written when I was in college and studying). Do I moralise or howl that people who use the software and dont pay are "crooks" who are taking money out of my pocket ? Nope. Part of the game. You write software, people will use it without licenses, enough licenses, or with old licenses (if you license yearly.)

Don't jump in the pool and howl that your hair got wet, its part of the risks you take.

Originally posted by Voornaam

And why are you so glad Wook? Is it that you can profile your self over the backs of others, or are you the Don Quichotte of software land.

I personaly think it's reason number 1.


Maybe you can do some thinking and come to a real conclusion on this question but i'll doubt you'll even be honest to your self!

Why im so glad? the obvious reasons were mentioned ealier in the thread if you read it. I said wouldn't personally trust the people that run a hosting business, and support distribution of illegal softwares. I first intention was to warn people these people may not be trustworthy, since they rip off softwares, why wouldnt they rip off customers? There are just too many scam artists around these days, that its hard to trust anyone. you can see many examples on this board. eg. the popular TimPD, now Anthony of blws...the list goes on..

2ndly, I for one is against warez and piracy, I pay for all my softwares that I use, I get sharewares, and if I like it, i'll pay what the developer deserves, because he created something useful for me, and I'll benefit from it. If I pay them for it, they will have the money to futher develope and improve the products.

Profile myself over the back of others? :rolleyes: what are you thinking? geesh, you think i will want to take the credit that somebody managed to close down the site? I started a thread warning potential clients, somebody took action. :rolleyes:

wook was propably an upset ex member of 43.

oh please, even if bill decides to charge $1000 for his software, i wouldnt even think about using your distribution club. I would just go with what i can afford. :confused:

Seems as though Wook has some kind of beef with giveit2mwhosting.com.. Why would you ONLY post about this particular company and not the thousands of other sites?

Concerned netizen? I doubt it..

I dont see other posts from you about the MANY MANY other "warez" forums and sites located on the net... Just run a search at google..

But it seems like you accomplaished what you inteded to. The Forums link does not work on that site.. At least not for me..

PkSpawn..

I never had anything against giveit2mehosting until recently discovered that they run the warez forum.

Reason i never posted about all the other warez sites? you didnt read the thread did you? reason is because its a warez site, OWN and operated by a hosting company.

I don't know much about other warez site, and I dont know of any other warez site that is operated by a hosting company. If they support warez, I will not trust them to handle my business. thats my point. for all you warez supporters, flame me all you like, I really dont care what you think.

wook after what i told you in a pm do you really think 43 will get closed???????

Now we all downloaded an illegal version of something, lets not act like we haven't :D


Im not taking any sides, I just felt it needed to be said

Originally posted by giveit2me
wook after what i told you in a pm do you really think 43 will get closed???????

I dont know mate, if what you said is true, and they back you up, then lets hope it stays up. ;)

Originally posted by wook


I dont know mate, if what you said is true, and they back you up, then lets hope it stays up. ;)

Now I'm realy lost..... :confused:

I say leave giveit2me to do as they will........

However, giveit2me should remember if they lay with dogs they will get up with fleas.

;)

- D

.......Or their hands will smell. You know, when you've handled an animal that hasn't been groomed properly and then you get their oils on your hands. Then you think "crap! now, I have to go wash my hands. People with pets have a responsibility to the rest of us to properly train and care for their animals!"

........and if you're lucky you'll get out of that house without being drenched with slobber or having to throw that sticky wet ball a thousand times!

But, that's just what I think about the whole piracy forum issue. Feel free to develop your own opinions.

:D

- D

Originally posted by wook


I dont know mate, if what you said is true, and they back you up, then lets hope it stays up. ;)

Originally posted by Voornaam


Now I'm realy lost..... :confused:

Is he insinuating that the feds or similar perhaps are behind the board?

If so, nice move spilling the beans in a public forum.

Is he insinuating that the feds or similar perhaps are behind the board?

it goes much higher than that mate ;)

George Bush loves to hang out at 43 :)

well all i got to say on this matter is


LMFAO

Originally posted by giveit2me
it goes much higher than that mate ;)

George Bush loves to hang out at 43 :) Stil you offer a forum that allows posts containing links to pirated software. Coincidence it is down now? I think somehow it struck you that most people here are right, and hosting such a forum is not something a respectfull webhost should do.

Originally posted by Alex[nl]
Coincidence it is down now?

Every time someone says it is down, I check to see if the people really have a voice....the answer is no.. the site and forums are still up and active...

Stil you offer a forum that allows posts containing links to pirated software. Coincidence it is down now? I think somehow it struck you that most people here are right, and hosting such a forum is not something a respectfull webhost should do.

You will never close giveit2me43.com believe me ;)

If you guys new what really goes on at 43 you would understand why we host it.

Originally posted by giveit2me
I dont own either giveit2me43 or giveit2mehosting, i just work for them.
Originally posted by Chicken

You're listed as the admin of both domain names. You sure about that?

So then you just lie about some things?

I dont own either giveit2me43 or giveit2mehosting, i just work for them.

yep very sure ;)

I own/run giveit2me43.com I also own 15% of giveit2mehosting :P

the giveit2me user just works for us :) (yes same ip because we are in the same office on one conection)

I really think this thread has gone far enough now and its about time one of the mods locked it.

If you dont like the idea of us hosting/running 43 then dont host with us, if any existing customer wants a refund now they know we host 43 then that can be arranged no questions asked.

If anyone has any questions about this post please drop me a pm

Originally posted by giveit2me


yep very sure ;) I think the only thing you're sure about is, "There is no bad publicity."



So, just keep saying things that don't make sense and keep this thread alive.

Well, the one thing this thread will do, since the very first post with the link in it, is give everyone who has ever asked where they can host warez a new home....look how many people ask if they can host warez.... now that they know where a warez friendly host is, maybe they'll stop posting looking for one, and stop the signups with the rest of us. :)

we dont host warez

While we are on the subject nxsecure.org are also the owners of

a webhosting company call nxserve.com, you guy's might want to file

some complaints about them as well.

:)

Originally posted by DrChaos
Why are you quoting me in a post about complaining...?!? So get your head out of your ass..... and don't tell me to complain about someone else, when I haven't complained, period.

Chill dude - I were generalising - not pointing directly at ya.

It's fixed now - Are ya happy - I Hope so .

Thing is its probably impossible to stop warez hosting and people

will never stop askin you if you host it.


nxsecure.org are also the owners of a webhosting company call

nxserve.com, Thats all i was at getting across-- More bad guy's huh

Originally posted by TheRonin
If you dont like the idea of us hosting/running 43 then dont host with us, if any existing customer wants a refund now they know we host 43 then that can be arranged no questions asked.
Amen.

Originally posted by DrChaos


Every time someone says it is down, I check to see if the people really have a voice....the answer is no.. the site and forums are still up and active... The forum was not down but closed (sorry for the mixup) . .and somehow is completely empty now. . 12 people regged, 0 posts, 0 threads.

It is alive and kicking...what are you talking about? This screen was taken 2 mins ago....

MY MISTAKE !!! I used the wrong URL ..

I wonder how many members from here joined 43?


http://forum.giveit2me43.com/viewtopic.php?p=39726#39726



:D :D :D :D

Hey,

I think a lot of people here trying to look good as a hosting company, but I really wonder whats on their own harddisk.

Just my 2 cents

hP

I'm a ninja! I hate pirates!

If you have no clue what I just said, I suggest http://realultimatepower.net :P

Originally posted by Chicken
Amen.
That was supposed to be... "Amen. Thread closed."