I am searching for a registrant I hope to keep long into the future for multiple domains. GoDaddy is OUT. Can't stand the constant adverts, plus I want a registrant that provides WHOIS Privacy Guard, free. I use Netfirms, but am not completely happy with them either. (I emailed to ask them something twice recently, and never received a response.)

I saw a post here a few days ago that referred to Internet.bs, and after reading through their site am very excited and pleased. They are cheaper than Netfirms or GoDaddy (or any other "legit" registrant I personally found). A couple things in their TOS concerned me, however, so I emailed them. I had a response in 13 minutes, and it allayed my concerns *and* impressed me that they answered so fast!

This company is International, operated out of the Bahamas, in business since 2004. Their "About Us" page has pics of the principles and seems very professional. I get a good feeling from this company, but am a little concerned that it is not US-based. I can't really find any negative reviews about them, and would just like to hear what people have to say who are presently using them.

Thanks. :)

I've used them for about a year now. I love em. :agree:

Thanks, Mark. I went ahead and registered 4 new sites with them, as their prices and perks can't be beat. If all works out as I expect it to, I'll be transferring all my existing domains to them as well, and use them as my one-stop domain shop. Maybe you are the poster that mentioned them in the first place. I only heard about them from reading thru WHT. If so, thanks!

Would be interested in hearing more reviews... :-D

I'm also curious if people have an opinion about Internet.BS I wanted to use them before but I had forgotten the website.

I highly recommend Internet.bs. Internet.bs is just too good to be true. Their support is real fast. Free reseller API , one click install for google services , free whois privacy.

I highly recommend Internet.bs. Internet.bs is just too good to be true. Their support is real fast. Free reseller API , one click install for google services , free whois privacy.

And they don't try to get you to buy more crap like GoDaddy does. Just a few clicks to register and being able to pay with Paypal.

And they don't try to get you to buy more crap like GoDaddy does. Just a few clicks to register and being able to pay with Paypal.

Hallelujah about no up-sell!

I am very happy with Internet.bs so far. The GUI for the DNS control panel is not modernized, but totally clear and functional, making it a breeze to use. It's also fast. The square text-button-style access (verses Vista-like icons) reminds me of a Win98 control panel. Click the button for what you want to do, and pow, the fields open. No BS from Internet.bs! ;) No ads. No problems. This is my kind of registrar. :agree:

Please note that they aren't an approved registrar for .US domains.

their support really fast, :)
+ free whois privacy

Please note that they aren't an approved registrar for .US domains.

Oh well, .us domains are useless anyway.

A good point though for anyone who wants a TLD of .US

But for .com, .net and the rest of the usual faire, they are great. Cheapest too. And not one piece of spam from them. They only email to administer the account, when necessary (like when you're transferring or buying a new domain). And yes, they answer emails in like 15 min, in my experience. I could not be happier with them.

Only one thing I'll say is that for newbies, there are no FAQs or knowledge base articles or the like. It's strictly a bare-bones op, which I like. Someone who is new to buying and setting up domains will have to Google the button names to learn what they need to do and what all the functions mean. A newbie could also get this info from the host knowledge base s/he plans to use.

Internet Bahamas is my ONLY registrar from now on!:D:agree:

Internet Bahamas is my ONLY registrar from now on!:D:agree:

Same, unless GoDaddy is running there 1.99 domains. I'll purchase them there and then transfer them the following year.

Same, unless GoDaddy is running there 1.99 domains. I'll purchase them there and then transfer them the following year.

I guess if someone has dozens, that could save big money, but for me it isn't worth the hassle of all the GoDaddy adverts that flood my mailbox, dealing with GoDaddy's ultra-busy, ultra-ad-intensive website and interface, and then having to transfer all the domains the following year! Then again, I'm not a reseller and don't have hundreds of domains. ;)

More reviews on internet.bs will be appreciated (along with the domain name being registered through them).
Thx in advance

More reviews on internet.bs will be appreciated (along with the domain name being registered through them).
Thx in advance

I did not report the domains I have at Internet.bs to the moderator. Should I do that? (I'll be happy to.)

Another plus I want to mention with Internet.bs is that they do not use your parked domain for advertising. If you don't upload an index.html to a parked domain, (or set up URL forwarding), you'll just see the root and cgi.bin directories (FTP style). If YOU put up a parked page, they will not attach adverts to it.

And again... NO ADVERTISING sent to your email box! (You don't have to "opt out" of it either... they just don't do it.) And when you *do* email them with a question, they respond within 15 minutes (or have for me so far). I love these guys! :D:agree:

For proof, here is a screenshot of one of my accounts that has 6 domains;

http://i38.tinypic.com/1zz0sqq.jpg

BTW, shoutatme.net and hackerpowered.org is for sale if anyone wants it :p

More reviews on internet.bs will be appreciated (along with the domain name being registered through them).
Thx in advance

http://i36.tinypic.com/f01354.jpg

I don't know that my self too, is this a problem with the moderators ??

I don't know that my self too, is this a problem with the moderators ??

Well I reported 6 of my 8 domains to them using the report button. I guess this is where I should be reading the WHT domain forum FAQ. :D

Internet.bs is an offshore company, isn't it a problem? Their prices are almost too cheap!

Remember what happened to RegisterFly.

About the free whois: Name.com had also free whois, then they intoduced paid whois for $8/year. So maybe free whois is only a trick to lock in people, then collect fat fees?

Please tell me, the Verisign fee only applies for the first year, or a domain registrar must pay the same Verisign fee each year?

.com is currently $6.95 at Internet.bs, including the ICANN fee. BUT "VeriSign announced that as of July 1, 2010, the registry fee for .com domain names will increase from $6.86 to $7.34 and that the registry fee for .net domain names will increase, from $4.23 to $4.65. "

So Internet.bs must pay $7.34 Verisign fee and $0.18 ICANN fee (total = $7.52) when registering a .com, but they charge only $6.95!
But in the second year, must Internet.bs still pay $7.52 for Verisign and ICANN, or not?

By the way, this page is nice :)
http://www.internetbs.net/en/faq/content/6/22/en/internetbs-corp-vs-godaddy%C2%AE.html

Look at the bottom of this page: "For further details please refer to http://nodaddy.com/" HAHA

Update: Beware! The free whois privacy offered by Internet.bs has a big disadvantage! Read their terms: "Our domain privacy (Private Whois) public whois clearly states “PLEASE DO NOT SEND LETTERS - Contact the owner by email only” as such we will simply discard or reject all letters we may receive addressed to you, if you do not agree and/or if you wish to receive letters, DO NOT use our Private Whois service."

Here is an example: http://whois.domaintools.com/hackerpowered.org

This whois has no street address!

And what happens if someone calls the provided phone number? Internet.bs says nothing about this.

Moniker privacy services costs $4/year, but is is better:

Communications Forwarding. By subscribing to the Privacy Service, you authorize and direct Moniker Privacy Services LLC to process communications directed to you at the contact information displayed in the public Whois database as follows:

* E-Mail Address. Messages received at the e-mail address posted in the public Whois database will be filtered for unwanted email and forwarded to the e-mail address associated with your account for the applicable domain name. Unsolicited commercial offers, whether involving the domain name specifically or not, shall be generally considered as unwanted email. Any type of legal correspondence shall be considered wanted email and shall be forwarded. Moniker Privacy Services LLC has sole discretion as to what constitutes unwanted email received in connection with the applicable domain name.
* Postal Address. You hereby authorize Moniker Privacy Services LLC to receive, sort, open, forward, and destroy any and all mail sent to that address in its sole discretion. Mail received via postal mail, certified mail or courier will be opened and all such mail that can be scanned will be scanned and sent to you via the e-mail address associated with the account for the applicable domain name. You acknowledge that you will have five (5) days from the date that such scan is emailed to you to request in writing that a copy of such scanned mail be forwarded to you via postal mail at your expense. You acknowledge that unless you direct us otherwise in writing within such five (5) day period, all such mail will be destroyed five (5) days after a scanned copy is sent to you via e-mail. You specifically acknowledge that Moniker Privacy Services LLC may in its sole discretion destroy all third class and "junk" mail upon receipt and will either discard all such other communications received or return the same to the sender unopened.
* Phone / Fax. The telephone and fax numbers listed Whois record of the applicable domain name are answered and monitored by Moniker Privacy Services LLC. Third parties attempting to contact you using either of these means are informed that the domain owner does not wish to receive communication in this manner and prefers email. No messages or faxes will be forwarded to you.


Nothing is free, there is no free launch! The free whois privacy offered by Internet.bs gives you nothing, they just change the whois, and setup an email address, that's all! It is free because there is absolutely no cost of doing this! However, Moniker gives you real service, they monitor the phone number and the postal address.

I will stay at Moniker, because their prices are also cheap, and they offer real whois privacy! And they have no free whois privacy, so they won't start to charge $8/year for this service all of a sudden.

Do you think it is legal if you have such a whois?

Registrant Street1:*******PLEASE DO NOT SEND LETTERS******
Registrant Street2:****Contact the owner by email only****

yes, good pricing for me to use it for more than 1 year.

internetbs is best solution for me,he have extra prices + free privacy and free api for whmcs

one bad thing is minimal upload credit

Internet.bs is an offshore company, isn't it a problem? Their prices are almost too cheap!

Remember what happened to RegisterFly.

About the free whois: Name.com had also free whois, then they intoduced paid whois for $8/year. So maybe free whois is only a trick to lock in people, then collect fat fees?

Please tell me, the Verisign fee only applies for the first year, or a domain registrar must pay the same Verisign fee each year?

.com is currently $6.95 at Internet.bs, including the ICANN fee. BUT "VeriSign announced that as of July 1, 2010, the registry fee for .com domain names will increase from $6.86 to $7.34 and that the registry fee for .net domain names will increase, from $4.23 to $4.65. "

So Internet.bs must pay $7.34 Verisign fee and $0.18 ICANN fee (total = $7.52) when registering a .com, but they charge only $6.95!
But in the second year, must Internet.bs still pay $7.52 for Verisign and ICANN, or not?

By the way, this page is nice :)
http://www.internetbs.net/en/faq/content/6/22/en/internetbs-corp-vs-godaddy%C2%AE.html

Look at the bottom of this page: "For further details please refer to http://nodaddy.com/" HAHA

I only see $6.95 on the Internet.bs Corp. Vs Godaddy® page but their main page shows $7.49

It seems that comparison page is outdated, they charge $7.49, but they pay $7.52, so they are losing money.

And what about the private whois issue? I think as per the ICANN policy, you must use a real postal address, not a "*******PLEASE DO NOT SEND LETTERS******" street address.

According to this source (http://www.webhosting.info/registrars/reports/total_domains/tld/INTERNET.BS/), the total number of domain registered by Internet.bs is 63 794. The breakdown of the TLDs:

COM 46,998
NET 10,588
ORG 3,759
BIZ 1,071
INFO 1,378


The wholesale price of .com domains is $7.34 (https://press.verisign.com/easyir/customrel.do?easyirid=AFC0FF0DB5C560D3&version=live&prid=570292&releasejsp=custom_97) + $0.18 (https://www.godaddy.com/domains/popups/icannfee.aspx?app_hdr=99), of .net domains is $4.65 + $0.18, of .org domains is $6.75 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.org#Cost_of_Registration) + $0.18 per year.

In addition, since Internet.bs accepts Paypal and credit card, they must pay processing fee. If you send $8 for Internet.bs via Paypal, they didn't receive $8, but a little less.

Let's calculate the profit margins:

COM: $7.49 - $7.52 = $-0.03 * 46 998 = $-1410
NET: $6.99 - $4.83 = $2.16 * 10 588 = $22870
ORG: $7.85 - $6.93 = $0.92 * 3 759 = $3458.
BIZ: don't know, let's assume $2500
INFO: don't know, let's assume $2500

TOTAL: about $30 000 income since the start of the company.

That's nothing! We must subtract the paypal/credit card processing fees, the salary of the employees, the hosting costs etc.

What else does Internet.bs sell besides domain names?
I think they receive a little income from domain parking, too.

How can Internet.bs stay in business?

Harsh but true :D

http://nodaddy.com/images/hennell-toon-500x400.jpg

Please note that they aren't an approved registrar for .US domains.

According to their website they accept registrations for .US domains, and they're listed here as a .US accredited registrar:

http://www.nic.us/register/

I'm not using internet.bs right now, but considering them since name.com started charging for private whois.

LOL u guys are all in write-only mode? Do you work at Internet.bs?

You are very "smart" buyers, you just look at the prices, and choose the cheapest :)

Have a look at this:
http://www.icann.org/en/registrars/ra-agreement-21may09-en.htm

3.7.7.1 The Registered Name Holder shall provide to Registrar accurate and reliable contact details and promptly correct and update them during the term of the Registered Name registration, including: the full name, postal address, e-mail address, voice telephone number, and fax number if available of the Registered Name Holder; name of authorized person for contact purposes in the case of an Registered Name Holder that is an organization, association, or corporation; and the data elements listed in Subsections 3.3.1.2, 3.3.1.7 and 3.3.1.8.

3.7.7.2 A Registered Name Holder's willful provision of inaccurate or unreliable information, its willful failure promptly to update information provided to Registrar, or its failure to respond for over fifteen (15) calendar days to inquiries by Registrar concerning the accuracy of contact details associated with the Registered Name Holder's registration shall constitute a material breach of the Registered Name Holder-registrar contract and be a basis for cancellation of the Registered Name registration.

The whois privacy offered by Internet.bs violetes the ICANN agreement!

By the way, you must agree on this (http://www.internetbs.net/en/domain-name-registrations/termsandconditions.html):

Our domain privacy (Private Whois) public whois clearly states “PLEASE DO NOT SEND LETTERS - Contact the owner by email only” as such we will simply discard or reject all letters we may receive addressed to you, if you do not agree and/or if you wish to receive letters, DO NOT use our Private Whois service.

Let me translate it for you:
Our whois privacy services violetes the ICANN agreement. If you do not agree and/or if you wish to receive letters, DO NOT use our Private Whois service.

LOL u guys are all in write-only mode? Do you work at Internet.bs?

You are very "smart" buyers, you just look at the prices, and choose the cheapest :)

Have a look at this:
http://www.icann.org/en/registrars/ra-agreement-21may09-en.htm



The whois privacy offered by Internet.bs violetes the ICANN agreement!

By the way, you must agree on this (http://www.internetbs.net/en/domain-name-registrations/termsandconditions.html):



Let me translate it for you:
Our whois privacy services violetes the ICANN agreement. If you do not agree and/or if you wish to receive letters, DO NOT use our Private Whois service.

No,i`m just user of internetbs ,we not using privacy protection but all for free is very good for bussines and getting new costumers

This whois has no street address!

And what happens if someone calls the provided phone number? Internet.bs says nothing about this.

Nobody uses post anymore: email rulez~.
Phone number?... Just advertize it on your website~ it will be fine~~.

The WHOIS is just useless~ who uses it to contact the owner??... There is always an address/email on the website somewhere~ and whether you send a postal letter/email/phone, if nobody wants to answer you, nobody will~~~.:D

Nobody uses post anymore: email rulez~.
Phone number?... Just advertize it on your website~ it will be fine~~.

The WHOIS is just useless~ who uses it to contact the owner??... There is always an address/email on the website somewhere~ and whether you send a postal letter/email/phone, if nobody wants to answer you, nobody will~~~.:D

That's all fine, but you must comply with legal requirements. And the legal requirement is to put REAL name, company name, phone number, email and postal address into whois records.

If the law is outdated, stupid, or you don't agree with it, you must still comply with it.

Reseller Club/NetEarthOne doesn't accept postal mail. Just Email. :rolleyes:

Registrant:
PrivacyProtect.org
Domain Admin contact@privacyprotect.org
P.O. Box 97
Note - All Postal Mails Rejected, visit Privacyprotect.org
Moergestel
null,5066 ZH
NL
Tel. +45.36946676

Creation Date: 24-Dec-2008
Expiration Date: 24-Dec-2010

Domain servers in listed order:
ns2.yourname.com
ns1.yourname.com

Administrative Contact:
PrivacyProtect.org
Domain Admin contact@privacyprotect.org
P.O. Box 97
Note - All Postal Mails Rejected, visit Privacyprotect.org
Moergestel
null,5066 ZH
NL
Tel. +45.36946676

Technical Contact:
PrivacyProtect.org
Domain Admin contact@privacyprotect.org
P.O. Box 97
Note - All Postal Mails Rejected, visit Privacyprotect.org
Moergestel
null,5066 ZH
NL
Tel. +45.36946676

Billing Contact:
PrivacyProtect.org
Domain Admin contact@privacyprotect.org
P.O. Box 97
Note - All Postal Mails Rejected, visit Privacyprotect.org
Moergestel
null,5066 ZH
NL
Tel. +45.36946676

Status:LOCKED

internet.bs does have a Reseller API but you have to pay $70 which isn't very much and it can be used with HostBill. Not WHMCS yet unfortunately.

Reseller Club/NetEarthOne doesn't accept postal mail. Just Email. :rolleyes:


Yes and both Reseller Club and internet.bs require you to accept their terms of service, which is something like this:

Our domain privacy (Private Whois) public whois clearly states “PLEASE DO NOT SEND LETTERS - Contact the owner by email only” as such we will simply discard or reject all letters we may receive addressed to you, if you do not agree and/or if you wish to receive letters, DO NOT use our Private Whois service.

In English: we know that our service doesn't comply with the ICANN agreement, but if you don't agree with this, don't use our services. All the responsibility is yours.

That's why I only use Private Whois Services on my throwaway domains for SEO blogs, etc.

On my main business domains, I use the correct business name, address and telephone number. It's out there in Google anyway.

Besides, I normally don't do business with companies that have a private whois and I wouldn't expect my customers to do it either.

Yes and both Reseller Club and internet.bs require you to accept their terms of service, which is something like this:



In English: we know that our service doesn't comply with the ICANN agreement, but if you don't agree with this, don't use our services. All the responsibility is yours.

Please let me allow clarifying the matter that has been discussed so far. First of all we are accredited by ICANN since 2004 and accordingly to our ICANN Registrar Agreement in case of breach of their rules our ICANN accreditation could be revoked but not before ICANN notify us and allow us to cure the breach.

Here the relevant section from the ICANN Registrar Agreement relative to accreditation termination:

“5.3.4 Registrar fails to cure any breach of this Agreement (other than a failure to comply with a policy adopted by ICANN during the term of this Agreement as to which Registrar is seeking, or still has time to seek, review under Subsection 4.3.2 of whether a consensus is present) within fifteen (15) working days after ICANN gives Registrar notice of the breach. “

In 2009 ICANN renewed our ICANN accreditation for a second period of 5 years; as such ICANN has not found us in breach of their policies and rules after 5 years of operations (2004-2009). Our Private Whois service has not changed since its introduction and about 40-50% of our customers are using it.
While there is always a small risk of being in non-compliance with ICANN policies and rules, there are documented ways to cure a breach and the first step is receiving a notification from ICANN stating we are in breach of their policies and rules or the Registration Agreement. So far we have never received such a notice.

Furthermore, despite what has been stated so far by uninformed people, our Private Whois service is including a full valid postal address, the fact we explicitly state not to send physical mails doesn't mean we do not provide a valid address, actually if you send a mail to the Private Whois address, it will be received even though we do not offer a redirection service which of course cannot be provided for free as redirecting physical mails is not free either:

Registrant
Private Whois Service
Private Whois Service px91pwi4bf779da8c799@n3omkv94bf61e901fd6c.privatewhois.net
*******PLEASE DO NOT SEND LETTERS******
****Contact the owner by email only****
c/o topdns.com
N4892 Nassau
Bahamas

If you send a mail to:

Private Whois
c/o topdns.com
N4892 Nassau
Bahamas

it will be received and the address is absolutely valid and correct.

The above shows that we are in compliance with ICANN policies, rules and the ICANN Registrar Agreement.

Guys, I am not stating we are perfect, I am not stating we cannot make a mistake, I am not saying there is no better way of doing things, we just try to do things the right way and the fact we are among the top 30 fastest growing Registrars worldwide is suggesting we are doing quite well and yes we know we can do even better and we will.

I would also like to add that our Private Whois is including a self rotating email address that is updated about twice per month, significantly reducing the risk of receiving spam and unlike other Registrar based in the USA, we are not disclosing your personal details unless we receive a court order from the Commonwealth of the Bahamas which is extremely unlikely to happen and it has actually never happened so far. Try to send a subpoena to an US based registrar supposedly offering “real” domain privacy and you will see how long it will last your private whois protection… do you need a chronometer?

internetbs is best solution for me,he have extra prices + free privacy and free api for whmcs

one bad thing is minimal upload credit

Remember there is no need to pre-pay, you can simply pay as you go domain by domain.

On the other hand, if you are using our API you have to make a pre-payment because registrations, transfers and renewals are using your existing balance.
Note the minimum optional pre-payment is only $65 which based on our researches is among the lowest pre-payment level in the industry.

Please note that they aren't an approved registrar for .US domains.

we now support .us domains, actually we support .us since a while but I was busy developing our company and I was unable to check forums' comments.

Please tell me, the Verisign fee only applies for the first year, or a domain registrar must pay the same Verisign fee each year?

.com is currently $6.95 at Internet.bs, including the ICANN fee. BUT "VeriSign announced that as of July 1, 2010, the registry fee for .com domain names will increase from $6.86 to $7.34 and that the registry fee for .net domain names will increase, from $4.23 to $4.65. "

So Internet.bs must pay $7.34 Verisign fee and $0.18 ICANN fee (total = $7.52) when registering a .com, but they charge only $6.95!
But in the second year, must Internet.bs still pay $7.52 for Verisign and ICANN, or not?


Its not at all unheard of to sell at a slight loss for a sale price. The compare page shows prices as of Aug 09 it says.

I bought a .com from them earlier this month, and the sale price was listed as 7.49 which is still not bad.
I did notice on their main page that it shows 8.35 for a .com, crossed out with the sale price in red.
So even if they have a sale where they take a slight loss, I'm still not quite sure why this would be a red flag at all.


By the way, this page is nice :)
http://www.internetbs.net/en/faq/content/6/22/en/internetbs-corp-vs-godaddy%C2%AE.html

Look at the bottom of this page: "For further details please refer to http://nodaddy.com/" HAHA

Yeah I noticed and liked that too.

Only temptation I would ever have to go back to GD would be because of dnssec for .org,
but I'd sooner pay more at DynDns that move anything back to GD.

I registered a few domains with internet.bs, overall i'm pleased.
Most of my domains are with NEO and Dynadot, and I have had no negative issues with those two either.

With internet.bs's pricing (especially on .org) though I might consider moving my .org domains to them, renew everything almost up to the max,
and then move them over to DynDns or somewhere - but I'm gonna wait and see. On the other hand, if they too were to implement dnssec, that would rule...

Its not at all unheard of to sell at a slight loss for a sale price.
...
I bought a .com from them earlier this month, and the sale price was listed as 7.49 which is still not bad.
I did notice on their main page that it shows 8.35 for a .com, crossed out with the sale price in red.
So even if they have a sale where they take a slight loss, I'm still not quite sure why this would be a red flag at all.


Correct analysis Joe262, we prefer to suffer a little loss at registration time, as a sort of welcome gift for our customers
rather than wasting millions of $ hiring a Nascar or Formula 1 champion to promote our services...
...at the end of the day, one way or another, the customer has to pay for it.


[LEFT]....
Only temptation I would ever have to go back to GD would be because of dnssec for .org,
....


Be assured, that we are working on DNSSEC implementation for all extensions (ccTLD and gTLD) allowing it. You might need to wait a little while but it will done.

Just to note: i am very happy with internet.bs - never had problems, registration is fast and the Whois Protection not as usual some USA Address (which i dont like, and which is why i use them).

Though, the german translation of the site is not very good - so i prefer to use the english site.

lol small world. Looks like i forgot about an old domain name that sat unused for yrs and probably expired on an old CC ;)

..lol what are the odds :)