I am looking into buying a rack (40RU) and collocating with Optus.

I had one of the people over there email me pricing options and what not, and I noticed that all collocation offers, along with the connections we pay for, come with unlimited data transfers! Up and down!

So my question to you all is;

If I am provided with unlimited transfers from a highly respected company (Hell, they are the best), should I also offer unlimited transfers to those who buy dedicated servers off me, or should I cap them?


Thanks :)

I would be quite careful about this. There is no such thing as unlimited data transfer specially over in AU.

Well mate, according to the document which Optus has sent to me, each Port connection, very costly mind you, includes "Unlimited" Data Allowance p/month.. and there is no caption about this.

The connection btw, which starts at $3k p/month..

What kind of port? 10MB half duplex?

From 1Mbps port to 10Mbps ports (Can get higher.. but that is on app.). 10BT interface on all.

Ah ok. Now that makes sense. I really have not priced out AU bw before but for quality bw in the US $300/Mbit is a bit on the costly side. I would not really recommend going with a 10mbit port since it takes away your ability to burst past that, which is quite common. It also depends quite a bit on what your target market will be. If your market will be like a WHT type market(majority young people who want the cheapest crap on earth) you prolly won't have much luck with bandwidth at those costs. Figure in the cost of bw+rackspace+hardware+time spend on support+time spend on billing+time spend on sales etc. It can get to be quite costly. If your market is businesses then you could be quite successful. Are you planning on doing any sort of specialized services out of this location that would make it unique and worth the money?

Dedicated Server solutions (I have actually worked out a way I can offer AU bandwidth/servers at the same pricing off say DV2, but in the wicked Optus network.. I am releasing a dialup service mid december to :)

How is the dial up market in AU?

Pretty big... See most Aussies (computer illiterate people) either dont know what broadband is, or cant bloody get it in their area :stickout:

So the dialup market is huge ($20 p/month unlimited downloads/time is what sells in massive amounts)..

And with the pricing I worked out to be around the same as American servers, I would profit about $100k p/year.. so if I then add on the surcharge because it is good quality AU bandwidth, great support, etc.. I could make a bucket load..

Would get me well on the way to building my own DC out here :)

Like.. selling Aussie servers in Optus network at Americas pricing.. woah.. massive business there!

Wow I thought you guys pretty much moved over to broadband like a year and a half ago. $20/m for dial up is great is you can get people to sign up for that.

You have an IP on the opus network where your stuff would be?

About $100k profit p/year, serving about 40 RU's.. and I imagine many more people would want servers in Australia for american pricing..

How much is rackspace over there?

Well.. I aint got my rack setup yet, but yah can ping optus!

ping optus.net.au

From Australia, on my broadband connection, I get about 8ms avg.

Well.. I got some wicked pricing.. contacts all over Optus :stickout:

no possible way its unlimited unless its maybe unmetered on like a 10mbit port ;)

Eh.. not gonna argue that point - Ring optus and ask why they have sent me that.. cant be bothered arguing :stickout:

sry lol i loaded page before it had any replies stupid shift+left click got me in trouble lol waited to long to reply :D

Hehe.. tis ok :)

What product line are you referring to Faculty? I think someone is feeding you a line. ;)

Optus would be competing locally if they had found a way to support the model you're talking about. Instead, they're charging 10c per MB over 300MB on their own basic shared hosting plan ($30/mth)...and that is in both directions. We're moving into Optus in Sydney soon, and I know we're not getting it unlimited. :)

I am meeting with a local data centre this Friday. I'd be interested in what you have found out. Post or PM some more info.

Cheers

Gary

:) Good one, I can only get 1mbit cheapest at $300/USD (working on it though)

Dialup won't exist here soon, people are starting to make the switch to Broadband hence you see $15/unlimited packages :rolleyes:

You planning on laying some fibre Robert...? :) I can't see dialup dying off for quite some time. We wouldn't even have 200k on broadband yet would we...?

Cheers

Gary

200k, more than likely. Dialup will die off as more users make the switch. 5 years and I expect atleast 50% of people on some type of broadband in Australia.

True, Telstra have recently passed 200k on their own. So probably 300-350k throughout. I doubt we'll see 50% coverage/takeup is 5 years. AOL might shake the tree a bit though. :)

Gary

Editor - Is this your own rack? Or is this quarter racks or something? Or are you leasing servers?

I am actually buying 3 racks.. will have room for 120 servers.. cant wait to deploy them. Going to take a few burbon and cokes to put all those servers together! :stickout:

We are actually going to be spending well in excess of $200, 000 p/year with Optus and they have noted our relationship as "partners" just incase you are wanting to know. They finish each conversation of with "We look forward to our partnership with you".

Leasing in Sydney. Undecided about Brisbane, still researching hardware. PM me with some contact details of who you're speaking with at Optus. There's us and one other here in Brisbane who are already looking at what we thought to be the best we could find up here.

Cheers

Gary

So your doing leasing?

This pricing is for collocation.. We buy rack's, ports, ethernet's, routers and "Flat Fee" pricing for BW connections from them..

We buy our own RU's and assemble them ourselves.

I'm not concerned about the hardware mate. I'm talking about your Optus contact for the bandwidth. The hardware is the least of our concerns initially.

Cheers

Gary

PM Sent :)

When someone has single units of rackspace they are willing to sell for colo in Optus Sydney, send me a PM. I can't see myself getting a server locally until next year - but I think I might have to get one local. Some potential local customers don't like the idea of having their sites on servers in the US - want it local.

:)

I might be able to sort something for you..

How much network usage we looking at per RU here?

when your ready to roll let me know. i may be interested in a server for games over there, we have a few aussie clients and a local server \ gaming server would be worth considering.

Originally posted by faculty
I am actually buying 3 racks.. will have room for 120 servers.. cant wait to deploy them. Going to take a few burbon and cokes to put all those servers together! :stickout:
Geeeeeze, I thought you were only 18 or something? :eek:

You're getting into some deep water there. :)

Hi faculty,

Could you please advise us of the Optus product range you are refering to and the connectivity type eg (Ethernet or ATM).

Also can you explain how you wish to service 40 customers with a single 10mbit port which will cost you about $3000 per mbit. Please remember that 1mbit equals only 128kbps total up and down stream.

I am not saying your idea is not possible, just very interested in how you plan to deploy a service within australia that firstly would generate "$100k profit p/year" and "offer AU bandwidth/servers at the same pricing off say DV2".

I look forward to your response.

Cheers

Samuel

is that $3k per megabit? btw; i have a hell of alot of 192 port DSLAMS if you want to make a DSL network - i am a partner with optus for dial ports too, which is national coverage, so buying your own max boxes is a waste of time to provide dialup - only worthwhile if you already have the infrastructure

I looked into optus bandwidth and didn't get any pricing which made me excited, which is why im using glbx - and i noted that optus said they were not a competitor so they wouldn't even try to beat their pricing - so i find it strange if you are getting 10mbit for $3k a month

Let me know

My friend has experienced with that word *unlimited* in Optus, if you dare to download or upload 5GB a day, they will send you a letter to you to stop doing that or else they will delete your account without refund!

seriously because my friend got disconnected due to download like 50-80GB a month

Please review my message

$3000 per mbit.

*unlimited* in Optus, if you dare to download or upload 5GB a day, they will send you a letter to you to stop doing that or else they will delete your account

Please make sure you understand this service is a corporate colocation service not a residential cable connection. :)

hosticle, please contact me asap if you have available dslams. We are moments away from deploying a national dsl network. PM me for my mobile number. I would be VERY interested in talking to you.

Cheers,

Samuel Yeats

nor is it a hosting account :P

It is WHOLESALE BANDWIDTH - all you can eat pipes which are charged per megabit :P

> I am unaware of such a thing. Optus stopped providing usage based services some time ago.

I should have understanded your statement before responding.

Yes it is WHOLESALE BANDWIDTH.

Samuel - pm'd