Update: I have sent another pm to Nocsol, and requested a reply within a 24hr period.. It has been 2 days now with no reply.

Hello everyone,

I purchased a plesk license from the WHT member "nocsol" aka Robert Prost who is the owner of "Stargate It Systems". The license was purchased about 3-4 months ago. I used paypal to secure the transaction, and requested immediate ownership transfer of the license after the payment was sent. I was assured that i was the new owner the license, and everything had transferred over at plesk.

About 1 month after purchasing the 300 user license. I was contacted by Plesk informing me that i was using a stolen license, and that i should immediatly stop usage of the license. I informed plesk of my situation, and they were very very understanding even offering me a discounted rate on the same license.

I contacted nocsol, and informed him of the stolen license. He told me that he would offer me a refund, and that he was trying to understand exactly what happened. I suspected that fraud was involved because he had previously told me that he contacted plesk, and that the license was transfered over to my name. Plesk informed me that the license was never even in his name, so there was no way he would have even contacted plesk.

I contacted Nocsol ( Robert Prost ) again about 5 or 6 times, and have not gotten a response ever since. Being thourougly pissed off... I even sent 2 paypal notices, and called the Indian phone number listed on his website to no avail.

I hope everyone uses the post as a warning before doing any business with Webhostingtalk member.... " Nocsol " aka Robert Prost owner of Starhost.hm Stargate.hm, He is selling Illegal Plesk Licenses, no one else should be ripped off by the unscrupulous individual.


Domain: STARHOST.HM / STARGATE.HM
Registrant:StarGate IT Systems LTD
Metamorfoseos 12 Glika Nera Athens 15354 GRA
dministrative Contact, Technical Contact: Robert Prost (PRO00017) email@stargate.hm
Metamorfoseos 12 Glika Nera Athens 15354 GR Tel: +30 10 6655090

take a look at this post:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=84972&highlight=nocsol+banned

How much does he owe you? I beleive he donated $20 to the WHT MOTM Fund via PayPal, and I'd be more than happy to forward that money to you. It's not much, but it's better than nothing :rolleyes:

I believe you'd be better off not doing anything like that, Akash.
You're in the U.S. and there are laws that govern what you can do with his money.

well i could refund the donation directly to nocsol.....couldn't i?

Good ol' nocsol still ripping people off i see.

Originally posted by akash
well i could refund the donation directly to nocsol.....couldn't i? Sure you could give it back to him. Didn't he ask for it once?

VIPsNet,

I wish i saw that poll before doing any business with him...


Akash,

He ripped me of for $200...

Thanks for the offer though

Did I just miss something? are we talking about Nocsol (wht) :confused:

Originally posted by Jwheatly
I informed plesk of my situation, and they were very very understanding even offering me a discounted rate on the same license.

Just a side note...Plesk/vBulletin/ModernBill are the types of providers who very quickly respond one-on-one to individual matters. Always a pleasure to deal with these people.

Regards

Gary

1) File a complaint at http://www1.ifccfbi.gov
If the complaint is serious enough or they have received multiple complaints about the same person/company, they will investigate, even if it's an international matter. I know this from experiences as I got defrauded by some Romanian a$$hole for quite a large sum of money. They did start an investigation as I wasn't the only victim, but I never found out what the results were.

2) Contact paypal and ask them to intervene. If you're lucky, this might even get his paypal account allong with any funds in it blocked for the next 6 months.

3) If paypal is uncooperative, go to your bank or credit card company and ask for assistence. I think in clear cut cases they will allow chargebacks up to 6 months after the transaction.

If all else fails, buy Soldier of Fortune magazine and find a cheap assassin. That should reduce the frustration somewhat (and make WHT a safer place in the opinion of many members judging by that poll :D )

Wow, that sucks :( Please keep us up to date on what happens.

Thanks for the great info Tazzman.. :)

Did you get any resolution on the matter?

Nothing yet, I did a paypal fraud request, but it seems that i am over the one month period; Looks like i will have to call my bank and request a chargeback. I will send an official letter to paypal next.

NocSol is real quiet in this thread....:eek: :confused:

Originally posted by Aussie Bob
NocSol is real quiet in this thread....:eek: :confused:
Thats what i've been thinking.. I also saw him posting around the same time this thread was started. I don't know the full story myself, this is just a little wierd. :confused:

He is always very quick to defend himself. He must know it's here becuase everytime he posts something here someone always posts a link to this topic.

He must be hoping this thread just goes away!

Originally posted by RackMy.com
He must be hoping this thread just goes away!

Well, let's keep the thread active then :D

. . everytime he posts something here someone always posts a link to this topic.

I know you are not giving people ideas on how to do a user post search, copy and paste, ect. That wouldn't be nice.
That goes for timmy and sammy too.

Originally posted by Haze

Thats what i've been thinking.. I also saw him posting around the same time this thread was started. I don't know the full story myself, this is just a little wierd. :confused:

yep. i evan pm'ed him this thread url, and posted this thread url in his other thread that he started yesterday.

he just ignored it

he knows its here, he probably did rip this poor guy off... just waiting for it to go away.

hmm that kind of action shouldnt go un noticed. i think this topic will be mentioned until it is resolved:)

I hope some of you guys aren't deliberately trying to bump this thread ;) :D

Who, me ?

I know you are not giving people ideas on how to do a user post search, copy and paste, ect. That wouldn't be nice. I am not sure what you mean?

Don't ya all have something better to do than ruin peoples lifes? :D

He's responded to posts in at least one other thread since this has been up. Actions speak louder than words, I guess...

Ahem... while we wait for NocSol's response... anyone got any popcorn or pizza? :bawling:

If we're seriously waiting for a response, I think you'd need a lot more than popcorn and pizza. We may have to invest in those food rations that were sold just before Y2K. This could be a long, long wait...

while waiting, . .
I see that he saw fit to give out some useless advice on accepting money orders for payments here:
http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=88325
Hey, I thought sigs were limited to four lines. How come his says:
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience

The Inforcer - 1994

Yes, actually, you are restricted to four lines. Why can't people follow simple rules?

People these days..

Yeah, i even showed him the URL and he just totalllllly ignored it like there was no issue what so ever

Originally posted by Derek
Ahem... while we wait for NocSol's response... anyone got any popcorn or pizza? :bawling:
Doesn't look like anyone's going to be getting a response. Interesting approach NocSol has here. :eek:

Originally posted by Aussie Bob

Doesn't look like anyone's going to be getting a response. Interesting approach NocSol has here. :eek:

Yep... weird indeed. Why not make this thread sticky untill he replies here ? :D

Silence means guilty in my book ;)
Thats just my opinion :D

Originally posted by eHostPros
Silence means guilty in my book ;)
Thats just my opinion :D

Not always but usually 99.99999999999999999% of the time.

I would tend to agree

I hope he replies soon :D

I doubt he will.

He's already claimed that he's leaving WHT... guess it got too hot for him

Probably.

Yes, i guess so, because of all the competitors flaming each other here..

So uncivilized.

Originally posted by DanielP
He's already claimed that he's leaving WHT... guess it got too hot for him

Originally posted by edude
Yes, i guess so, because of all the competitors flaming each other here..

So uncivilized.



Where have you been?!?!? :wavey:

Busy ;)

Very Busy :)

Missed the flame wars on this forum :)



I'm amazed my warning level is 0.

Yes, i guess so, because of all the competitors flaming each other here.. Think you should maybe to a little search on NocSol here :)

While you're at it lookup RackMy.com too ... see how professional he handled the request for banning NocSol in the past ...oh no . .wait. . it was him who posted the poll ... now that is not that nice now is it?

He seems to be very pleased his rant against NocSol seems to pay off, since NocSol left leaving RackMy no other option then finding someone else to flame ... all dedicated server providers be alarmed. .. as soon as a customer of yours posts a negative thread make sure you reply before he does. . or he'll might pick you as his new target.

Alex, you best do a search on NocSol before commenting. It is easy for you to just look at the issue superficially without realizing the details.

Besides, it has been several days since the original post, and NocSol has been active *at the same time* as this thread, but he totally ignored this thread.

If you look deeper, you may find good reasons behind Mike (Rackmy)'s posts.

Peter

Probably, but RackMy is also the one starting a poll for banning NocSol . .no matter how many (personal?) problems you have with another user (due to business things) THAT can not be considered anywhere near professional. I am perfectly aware of the fact NocSol called him (months ago) and the whole reaction that followed, including the "lets all flame NocSol" threads.. which all seem to be started or kept alive by RackMy. ... Thats why I just posted that the person suggesting to do a search on NocSol in this thread is not completely an objective bystander ...

Ah btw, IF his posts are fair or not not that easy to tell, since in most (flame-)posts the client can reveal any data he pleases and the company replying must always respond vaguely since he cannot expose any presonal-data on a public forum. So (and this is not only in NocSol/RackMy threads) quite a lot the one being flamed is the one that seems to be wrong.

Alright, now, wait just a minute. Because a group of you don't like Robert personally doesn't mean that Nocsol has a reputation for ripping people off on WHT. We all know he does not.

Doing a search for Nocsol produces mostly a bunch of arguing and flaming. Mostly by others. Oh, Robert helped fuel this fire with CogentXP and all that...but you people were just waiting with the flame throwers.

I don't know why Robert hasn't responded here and I really wish he would. But you people jumping to conclusions because you don't like someone personally is inexusable.

While you're at it lookup RackMy.com too ... see how professional he handled the request for banning NocSol in the past ...oh no . .wait. . it was him who posted the poll ... now that is not that nice now is it? You should do more reading, LOL :)RackMy no other option then finding someone else to flame ... all dedicated server providers be alarmed. .. as soon as a customer of yours posts a negative thread make sure you reply before he does. . or he'll might pick you as his new target.Be careful, you may be next!!! :)

Personally I had no problem with the poll, it was simply a matter of seeking opinion and would have had no bearing on whether NocSol would have been banned or not.

Besides, I was involved in the discussion that came just before the poll, and I think some of what he said should have at least led to a consideration of a ban.

Originally posted by RackMy.com
Be careful, you may be next!!!
LOL
Originally posted by hostpath.com
Besides, I was involved in the discussion that came just before the poll, and I think some of what he said should have at least led to a consideration of a ban. Which should be initiated by the forum staff and not its members imho. That such a discussion is kept between the moderators and not publicly should go without saying.

Delete me (dupe post)

Which should be initiated by the forum staff and not its members imho. That such a discussion is kept between the moderators and not publicly should go without saying.It was a poll/question, not that anything would come out of it. It was more to prove a point. Do you really thing I could get him banned?

Wonder why Alex[nl] feels the way he does?
Domain Name: VBULLETIN.BIZ
Domain ID: D2850626-BIZ
Sponsoring Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Domain Status: ok
Registrant ID: ROBEMAIL7904F56D
Registrant Name: Robert Prost
Registrant Organization: StarGate IT Systems
Registrant Address1: Metamorfoseos 12
Registrant City: Glika Nera
Registrant State/Province: AT
Registrant Postal Code: 15354
Registrant Country: Greece
Registrant Country Code: GR
Registrant Email: mail@stargate.hm

Domain Name: ALLSOLUTIONS.BIZ
Domain ID: D2850628-BIZ
Sponsoring Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Domain Status: ok
Registrant ID: ROBEMAIL7904F56D
Registrant Name: Robert Prost
Registrant Organization: StarGate IT Systems
Registrant Address1: Metamorfoseos 12
Registrant City: Glika Nera
Registrant State/Province: AT
Registrant Postal Code: 15354
Registrant Country: Greece
Registrant Country Code: GR
Registrant Email: mail@stargate.hm

Maybe he's a customer?

Or maybe he is Support Chief www.vbulletin.biz (an AllSolutions.Biz Venture)

Originally posted by ATST
Wonder why Alex[nl] feels the way he does?
Domain Name: VBULLETIN.BIZ
Er... hate to be obvious, but he's not exactly hiding the fact he and NocSol work together on that project :)

But hey, since we're doing whois:

Domain: suckasshost.com
Registrant: Dennis Johnson
09149-35th St
Gobles, MI 49055
United States -- US

Administrative: Dennis Johnson
09149-35th St
Gobles, MI 49055
United States
Phone: 616-628-7622
Fax:
dennis@serviceall.org

Curious isn't it? This isn't your name yet you promote the site... Possibly you're just a fake nick of Samuel!!!

:D

-Matt

Actually, My sig used to match my "title", which explained that I was a "wannabe" suckasshost customer. I changed my sig (because of people saying they got ripped off by someone, even though they knew their history, but thought it wouldn't happen to them, ect.) and never changed my "title"
I think the whole concept of SuckAssHosting rocks.
I thought most people could tell that was a comment, and not a title, but just for you . . .

In the thread posted by Robert which is replied to quite often in general chat, Now that I am leaving I will let you know WHY I am the "GodFather of (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=88593), he said, and I quote:
Me and the team from my venture vBulletin.biz offered our free help to Patrick and fixed that in over 5 hours of hard work. 7 people off my team, mostly from Europe where it was 4 am or later worked hard to make WHT run again and we succeeded. I would like to express my pride about those people and their Team Leader Alex[NL].
So indeed RackNine is right, and it is not hidden anywhere.. this signature is not like new or anything. .. + I even think we posted in a thread together about working together not that long ago .. However since I do not work for NocSol/Stargate.hm I felt I was free to express my opinion.

All I wanted to make clear is that lately there seems to be a trend of people buying flamethrowers and burning every company that gives them an oppertinity. Ofcourse it is very good people express their worries and warn people about companies they have dealt with, but even if one company has 5 people that say here on WHT you should never do business with them, did it ever occur to anyone that that specific company most probably has 50x more people that did not post here about anything bad happening because they indeed recieved what they pay for/agreed upon??? The fact that a lot of people that get burnt down by SMALL group of people who seem to do business with all of them giving them the right "to say something on this issue mentioned by someone else that doesn't even relate to my own problem I had with the company" is what strikes me. I noticed in a Timmy thread someone complained Tim should pay him some money. Although Tim replied there which claims the opposite (not the point) I was surprised by a reply someone posted stating more or less "You knew his reputation, stop whining, shut up". I thought WTF? He states his problem (if I remember well asking what to do) and people flame him for being "stupid enough to do business with Tim and/or Paradise D-Sign" ... thanks for the moral support there.

Nice to see fellow hosts burn eachother down that way.. cause if the thread is not deleted or moved it will also show up in the history of the "well respected" people that seem to have quite enough time left to make the live of smaller hosts miserable . ..

Alex, I don't quite get what you said (primarily because of the lack of puntuation). However, you should note that mis-understanding and mistakes can always be cleared up. However, just becuase a competitor (well, Rackmy and NocSol aren't even in the same market, but as you wish) posted doesn't mean this is competitive flaming.

Robert/NocSol did not post in this thread to explain things, so this created the confusion. Furthermore, as former friend/partner of his, I know that this story is very likely to be true, and there are other things as well.

I am not at liberty to disclose the full details (due to a certain obligation to Robert). However, I don't see how your logic is developed. If you can explain to me what you point is, it would help the discussion.

Peter

Hi Peter,

I will try to use proper punctuation in this reply, so everybody can clearly read what I have to say. First, I called RackMy's behaviour flaming since this is not exactly the first post in which he gives his opinion on NocSol. All I tried is to point that out, he suggested people to lookup NocSol, I suggested people to review who made that suggestion. (Note I am not a customer of NocSol nor RackMy, I don't even sell any sort of hosting, so therefor I am not a competitor either). Reading your post I see they are not either. We all seem to be people just happen to have found eachother through the WHT forums. :)

While most people on page 2/3 of this thread wondered why Robert did not reply no one asked if he contacted the poster some other way. I can imagine that Robert can hardly post any data about the deal for it's defence, since that would mean exposing customer data on a public forum. Therefor I would be surprised if Robert did not contact him outside the forum, I just asumed he did.

Since this thread went to become "NocSol Flame #..." I asked him, and here is his(!) reply to this matter. Note that PM-ing Robert on his NocSol account will not give you a reply, since he left and does not login anymore.

Ok, here goes the full story. As you know I had been scammed bad by Chris Tibaldo from LightOne who I used to resell for. Now he sold me 4 Plesk Licenses and at the time not knowing that Plesk is not really
tracking down copies etc I assumed they were allright. I admit though that I should have checked them out at Plesk right away.

Teamed up with Peter (ckpeter) back then I intended to compensate my >8000$ loss by selling those
licenses. Actually one was sold (by myself) and I used the other 3 on a friend through with whom I
co-run a hosting business.

Then one day I was contacted by Plesk and the whole 4 Licenses blew in my face. Mike Astin from
WebAuthorities SAVED my ass by giving me 3 Plesk Licenses which I still pay off. I promised that guy to
pay him back as soon as I get some $ and you can check with "Quicksols" (a WHT user and client) which I
owed some 500$ because Chris Tibaldo took his money and I am paying him back 50$/month. I still owe him
money. Now this guy went public with it. Ok, he had a right to do that. I don't have his 200$ atm as I
am low on cash as you know very well.

Anyway, defending myself on WHT was NOT in my scope of doing cause the only ones actually "seeking for
blood" are the bashers and not that guy himself. Also I did not feel like posting "I am (almost) broke".
A few of my friends on WHT (you know who you are) asked me about the incident and I told them. I left
WHT simultaniously to that thread going on but it had nothing to do with it. As most of the quality and
"old" members I am turning away from WHT, only difference is that I announced it.

SideNote: I was REALLY disappointed to find that NOONE referred even once with a "Thank you" or so to me
saving WHT in June when it was on the eve of destruction with no backup younger then 2 weeks... anyway,
gratitude on WHT left along with Matt Freeman :(

You know, I've been on this forum for a long, long time. You don't see threads and posts about how FutureQuest Deb or Site5 Matt cheated them, etc. You want to know why? Because they didn't and they don't. Plenty of Site5 and FutureQuest customers know about this forum. Plenty knew about Sitepoint when I was there. No posts about Deb ripping them off. No posts about Site5 Matt ripping them off. Their servers don't go down (how magical!) -their customers are always happy? Odd eh?

Here's the deal. When you run your business half assed or rip people off, etc., you get posts about it. People notice. They post about it, they remember. There is some feeling that if you're a good guy, running a reputable company, people will flame you no matter what. Bullfrog I say!

Now I'm just generalizing here. This isn't about one particular member or company, certainly not about Robert (as I don't know enough about any of the posts or issues to make a statement either way).

Robert is an aquired taste you might say, and his good deeds have been appreciated by many and his many posts have been read by many. But when you call people up and slur their mother, they don't like it. When you run a business that can't cough up $200 to pay for a bogus Plesk license that you sold, people notice. It puts you in a bad light.

Since the issue was posted, I think people would have actually respected him if he at least addressed the issue publicly. He didn't have to, but while members are quick to judge, I've also been equally amazed at how quick they are to forgive. I could bring up examples of other members, but that isn't really the point. If you've been here, you've seen it.

If you run a tight ship, are honest, and accept blame when things happen that are out of your control (etc., etc., etc.), people will be understanding, even if it takes them a day or two (or more). Now, on the other hand, people also respect Matt and Deb. I don't recall a post by either of them where they kicked someone when they were down.

Point is, your reputation is generally something that you build and maintain. Your actions are directly related. It is just common sense. Anyway, you get the point.

Well said Chicken.

I don't understand why this thread is being hijacked. I am the one who was ripped off. If Nocsol is such a decent guy why has he abandoned me. Alex, instead of defending this guy, tell him to resolve the matter.

1. Nocsol Sold me a STOLEN Plesk liscense... A license that was registered in another companys name. Its bad enough that he had stolen licenses, but whats worse is that he acted as if had contacted plesk to change ownership, So obviously he knew exactly what he was doing. He is a con artist. He is not a victim.

2. I am contacted by plesk, and accused of using an illegal license.

3. I try for over 2 months to contact robert prost.

I phone his number overseas.

I send paypal payment invoices.

I email over and over.

I send Personal Messages via WHT.

I open threads on WHT


2 months of attempted contact with no results. If he really was dead broke he should have contacted me personally atleast, and informed me of the situation. But still he did not, and still has not. He has just completely ignored me.


I tried to be the nice guy, and even after i figured he knowingly ripped me off, I still offered the guy a chance. I even sent a P.M. a few days ago, offering him a chance to give me an explanation before i take any further steps, no reply.

TAKE THIS AS WARNING: DO NOT DO ANY BUSINESS WITH NOCSOL, STARGATE.HM STARHOST.HM

Sometimes threads get out of hand. It is always wrong to sell stolen property. NocSol did the wrong thing, knowingly or not, and should be held responsible for that.

Alex, instead of defending this guy, tell him to resolve the matter.I am not defending him, all I did now was posting his reply to what happened. I hoped to clear things up by that. I excuse myself for being partly repsonsible of "hijacking" the thread, I was just responding to others and it all got out of hand.

I do not agree with your statement Robert is a "con artist" since at the time of the sale he did not know the plesk licences were stolen, I think you know that too. The claim he did not have any contact with Plesk is not right either. But hey, like I said I am not here to defend Robert nor does my opinion on what is true or right is anywhere near interesting, since I am not a part of the people that can resolve this matter (like MANY others in this thread are neither). Since he does not visit WHT anymore I will let him know about the last replies since I posted his reaction and I do hope you guys can work something out together.

Just my o.o2 $

Jwheatly, will Plesk tell you who the license belonged to?

Originally posted by Alex[nl]
But hey, like I said I am not here to defend Robert nor does my opinion on what is true or right is anywhere near interesting, since I am not a part of the people that can resolve this matter (like MANY others in this thread are neither). Well, that is not completely true anymore. As I promised I contacted Robert and so I did. He asked me to let jwhealty know (publicly) he still offers him to pay him back 50$/month. OR, jwhealty can get a legal 100-domains Plesk licence for the 200$ he paid NocSol already (since 200$ is what Robert paid to WebAuthorities for that licence), which would solve this instantly. If you doubt the legality of the licence contact WebAuthorities.

Robert left WHT a few days ago and wont return here. That's why I reply here. Him returning here for just replying on this thread would be fire on the oil of people flaming him in his goodby thread asking him when he returns, so that wont happen afaik.

Originally posted by Alex[nl]
If you doubt the legality of the licence contact WebAuthorities.

That would be like the local car yard telling me to contact the previous owner of a stolen car...it doesn't happen that way. :)

Gary

Robert left WHT a few days ago and wont return here. I am sure he will pop up again, maybe even with a new name (if he has not already) :)

Originally posted by Editor
That would be like the local car yard telling me to contact the previous owner of a stolen car...it doesn't happen that way. :) Gary Ok, lets asume I do not know anything about Plesklicences (which is the truth), I would say it is possible to check the legality of that licence in some way or another (directly at Plesk?). I think that can be tested, especially with the history Jwheatly & NocSol have with Plesk concerning this matter, that should not be a problem. And you make it look like that 100-domain licence is stolen, and I did not post anything that would point in that direction. I appreciate the concern, but I think they can sort that out.

Originally posted by RackMy.com
I am sure he will pop up again, maybe even with a new name (if he has not already) :) Well not as far as I know, but feel free to think differently about that. Maybe he teamed up with Tim and others and is already planning some sort of World Domination thing ... who knows. Conspiracy and Complot theories are always fun to make up ... He told me he is not returning, so that's what I believe.

Originally posted by Alex[nl]
Ok, lets asume I do not know anything about Plesklicences (which is the truth), I would say it is possible to check the legality of that licence in some way or another (directly at Plesk?).

If this situation became commonplace, then I guess Plesk would be able to do something, yes. Just another troublespot to watch out for.

Cheers

Gary

He asked me to let jwhealty know (publicly) he still offers him to pay him back 50$/month. OR, jwhealty can get a legal 100-domains Plesk licence for the 200$ he paid NocSol already (since 200$ is what Robert paid to WebAuthorities for that licence), which would solve this instantly. If you doubt the legality of the licence contact WebAuthorities. And why won't he contact him direct?

Two points to be made regarding the sale of the plesk license and doing business with Robert's company.

1-He sold a stolen license and when advised of it did not make good on it. He should have done this immediately. Why do I think he didn't....that is in point 2.

2-His business has had wild swings up and down in the time he has been involved here. He has gone from ready to close down if someone didn't help him immediately (I offered) to thriving (in his words). He probably didn't have the funds immediately available to make good. He appears to have huge plans and presents a picture of all his associates, all his servers and all his legion of customers. However, consistently he has not been able to meet obligations, whether with his provider or as in this case a customer. Most of the time he finds someone else to blame it on-whether its his provider or the one who sold him the licenses. Sounds too much like champagne tastes on a beer budget. And, it is also here that his character, his actions, all come into play. If you have followed the full history and still choose to do business with him, that's your choice. However, history predicts problems. Will the company mature and stabilize? In my opinion, only if the owner does.

If someone sold me a stolen license, failed to make good, I would report it to the police. Unfortunately hard to do that on opposite hemispheres.

As Chicken so astutely pointed out, you see many excellent hosts here and they surely encounter problems, but they don't go screaming "it's not my fault." Instead, they just fix the problem.

Just for the record: Plesk can check the registered user for any particular license key. Just email them your plesk key file name.

Peter

Incognito, good points.

i dont understand how , he can rip people off when he himself was ripped off by lightone and i know this i used to work for lightone and he was my bf , and robert had alot of equipment with lightone and when lightone went dead he tried to move all his stuff to a diff place so i just dont get it , i feel sorry for anyone who gets ripped off cause i watched lightone rip alot of people off

Thanks Robyn (anjelik27) for pointing that out. More about THIS here (but PLEASE not BS posts this time!)
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=89489

PM to Jwheatly sent btw

I AM NOT BACK, I am just cleaning up the mess I have caused cause I feel that it is my duty.

Love to all,

Rob

Originally posted by Jwheatly
Update: I have sent another pm to Nocsol, and requested a reply within a 24hr period.. It has been 2 days now with no reply.

called the Indian phone number listed on his website to no avail.

Domain: STARHOST.HM / STARGATE.HM
Registrant:StarGate IT Systems LTD
Metamorfoseos 12 Glika Nera Athens 15354 GRA
dministrative Contact, Technical Contact: Robert Prost (PRO00017) email@stargate.hm
Metamorfoseos 12 Glika Nera Athens 15354 GR Tel: +30 10 6655090

Nocsol is based in Athens/Greece and not in India as per the whois info. for nocsol.com. So you must have called their Athens phone number and NOT any phone number in India.

As far starthost.hm is concerned I would lile to point out the following URL for google search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=start.hm

It seems that .HM registry itself has closed.

This guy seems to be from Greece and not from India.

Don't badmouth my home country because when you do it I take note of that. :D :D

Don't badmouth my home country because when you do it I take note of that. I don't think he bad mouthed your country?

Originally posted by phalaris


This guy seems to be from Greece and not from India.

Don't badmouth my home country because when you do it I take note of that. :D :D

Heck, that's because Alexander the Great conquered India :D
NocSol comes from the families of Antiptolemos III, the second cousin of Alexander's sister's son, born in 329 BC.

NocSol's full name is Nocaris Solitios Graecus :D

Gamo to kerato mou mesa! :D

Has there been any resolution?

Originally posted by RackMy.com
Has there been any resolution?

Thank you for bumping this thread up once again. Again, it becomes obvious that you do not want peace but strive maniacly to hurt my business. If that is the way you want it then I can start hurting yours too; something I have never done so far right?

As to you "question": None of your damn business.

Don't you have WORK to do?

Feelings? Come on guys .. this is business we are talking about ... you are not allowed to have feeling/bad days/temper tantrums etc .. the customer doesn't care that your grandmother sat on your favourite porcupine and now needs butt surgery ....

The customer wants his Big Mac and he wants it now ...

In business you have to be detatched and although caring for your customers needs, you must not get emotionally involved. If however the customer gets emotional, you must either decide to fix it calmly or get rid of him and be prepared for the consequences (if any)

Originally posted by HingyGuy
Feelings? Come on guys .. this is business we are talking about ... you are not allowed to have feeling/bad days/temper tantrums etc .. the customer doesn't care that your grandmother sat on your favourite porcupine and now needs butt surgery ....

The customer wants his Big Mac and he wants it now ...

In business you have to be detatched and although caring for your customers needs, you must not get emotionally involved. If however the customer gets emotional, you must either decide to fix it calmly or get rid of him and be prepared for the consequences (if any)

I didn't bump this thread up... PM to Jwheatly is sent long ago and no response from him... that MY fault too now? :(

Originally posted by HingyGuy
Feelings? Come on guys .. this is business we are talking about ... you are not allowed to have feeling/bad days/temper tantrums etc .. the customer doesn't care that your grandmother sat on your favourite porcupine and now needs butt surgery ....

The customer wants his Big Mac and he wants it now ...

In business you have to be detatched and although caring for your customers needs, you must not get emotionally involved. If however the customer gets emotional, you must either decide to fix it calmly or get rid of him and be prepared for the consequences (if any)



:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You can say that all you want however contrary to popular belief you can not leave your feelings at the door ESPECIALLY when you work at home and most of your stresses are at home. As much as you want and try to not have feelings you can not aviod them and if you try to push them aside they get even stronger.

I appreciate your advice however it is not realistic thinking that you can just leave your feelings somewhere and come back to them later. If I was able to get rid of my feelings I would have absolutely no problem with anyone because I can just be "detached".

:angry: :angry: It really upsets me when people think that just because something is easy for them it is cake for everyone else. Life is just not that way, people need to come to a realization.

There is a little thing called "acting" - mostly done by actors. Even if you feel like ripping someones head off, don't mean you can't "act" as someone who is level and not hot-temperd. There are plenty of amateur acting classes to join. Just build a wall around your own feelings and put on the mask of "happy and respectful businessman/woman".

glad nocsol finally addressed the thread starter's issue.

NocSol has been running around like a loose cannon lately.

seems likes hes suicidal, or very confused.

one day he says hes leaving
the next day hes back
then he says mike is harrassing him
then a few hours later hes saying mike owns him

NocSol, seek help.

Originally posted by clocker1996
glad nocsol finally addressed the thread starter's issue.

NocSol has been running around like a loose cannon lately.

seems likes hes suicidal, or very confused.

one day he says hes leaving
the next day hes back
then he says mike is harrassing him
then a few hours later hes saying mike owns him

NocSol, seek help.

Thanks for sending me the exact same words via PM and email.

I feel a lot of :love: in this forum tonight. :D

Guys I am easly confused, so where does acting classes and feelings, come into a thread about NocSol ripping some one off?

Originally posted by RackMy.com
Has there been any resolution? Originally posted by NocSol
As to you "question": None of your damn business. Thats a 'no' then?

Originally posted by jasoncart
Thats a 'no' then?

Nah, that is NOT a "no". As said before many times: I sent a PM to him with 2 proposals of resolution. The first is money and the second an alternative Plesk Key I bought from WebAuthorities AFTER we discovered that the ones we bought before were stolen.

I think everyone here wants to know a couple things...

1) Why did you ignore the thread when it was first posted? You were active on the forum and it's hard to miss a thread with your name in it.

2) Who sold you the stolen key(s)? So we may all avoid him/her/them in the future.

3) How long after you bought the key(s) did you discover they were stolen?

4) Did you immediatly notify the customers that you sold the key(s) to that said keys were stolen?

Originally posted by KoWind
I think everyone here wants to know a couple things...

1) Why did you ignore the thread when it was first posted? You were active on the forum and it's hard to miss a thread with your name in it.

2) Who sold you the stolen key(s)? So we may all avoid him/her/them in the future.

3) How long after you bought the key(s) did you discover they were stolen?

4) Did you immediatly notify the customers that you sold the key(s) to that said keys were stolen?

1) I am going to answer to that soon, not yet. There is areason.
2) Chris Tibaldo from LightOne.Com
3) When the customer asked for ownerchange
4) HE notified US caus ePlesk got to HIM first

Reading this thread I Just reminded myself to book that holiday to Salem.

Simon

Originally posted by clocker1996
glad nocsol finally addressed the thread starter's issue.

NocSol has been running around like a loose cannon lately.

seems likes hes suicidal, or very confused.

one day he says hes leaving
the next day hes back
then he says mike is harrassing him
then a few hours later hes saying mike owns him

NocSol, seek help.

That's my impression too. :D :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by NocSol


1) I am going to answer to that soon, not yet. There is areason.
2) Chris Tibaldo from LightOne.Com
3) When the customer asked for ownerchange
4) HE notified US caus ePlesk got to HIM first

A couple more questions then...

1) There are only two reasons I can think of...
a) You filed a crimnal complaint. However, this does not stop you from disscussion the issue with anyone.
b) You haven't thought up a good enough excuse yet...

2) Chris Tibaldo from LiteOne.Com ...If I remember correctly, this guy made off with a crapload of people's money, didn't pay his suppliers, and still has customer's equipment locked at a colo facilaty. Did you buy the licance(s) before or after he ripped so many people off?

3) When you bought the licance(s), didn't YOU ask for an owner change? Or did you just leave them in Mr. Tibaldo's name?

4) If the licances were NOT in Mr. Tibaldo's name, or his company name, why didn't you verify the licance(s) when you bought them? This is kind of an addon to #3....

5) Have you notified anyone else who bought a licance from you, that the liceance(s) may be stolen?

6) Have you notified Plesk about any other licance(s) that you bought from Mr. Tibaldo that may be stolen?

I'm not trying to be a dickhead or anything, but I am very suspicious about this...it'd be easier for everyone involved if you just told us your side of the story...

Originally posted by KoWind


A couple more questions then...

1) There are only two reasons I can think of...
a) You filed a crimnal complaint. However, this does not stop you from disscussion the issue with anyone.
b) You haven't thought up a good enough excuse yet...

2) Chris Tibaldo from LiteOne.Com ...If I remember correctly, this guy made off with a crapload of people's money, didn't pay his suppliers, and still has customer's equipment locked at a colo facilaty. Did you buy the licance(s) before or after he ripped so many people off?

3) When you bought the licance(s), didn't YOU ask for an owner change? Or did you just leave them in Mr. Tibaldo's name?

4) If the licances were NOT in Mr. Tibaldo's name, or his company name, why didn't you verify the licance(s) when you bought them? This is kind of an addon to #3....

5) Have you notified anyone else who bought a licance from you, that the liceance(s) may be stolen?

6) Have you notified Plesk about any other licance(s) that you bought from Mr. Tibaldo that may be stolen?

I'm not trying to be a dickhead or anything, but I am very suspicious about this...it'd be easier for everyone involved if you just told us your side of the story...

1) Cannot discuss it yet
2) Before of course :rolleyes:
3) They weren't in his name, if they were they wouldn't have been stolen. Didn't ask for ownerchange since we don't sell licenses.
4) Chris and I worked together so there was no reason to verify anything. Mutual trust between business partners you can call it.
5) We don't sell licenses, this only happened once.
6) All other licenses were in use by us for hosting, had to revoke them.

Originally posted by NocSol


1) I am going to answer to that soon, not yet. There is areason.
2) Chris Tibaldo from LightOne.Com
3) When the customer asked for ownerchange
4) HE notified US caus ePlesk got to HIM first

lol everytime ive seen a thread about nocsol rippping someone off or owing someone something, he alwyas ignores the issue.. its not unusual to see, atleast not for me.

he always responds the same way "i'll answer that soon"

but he never does
he just waits a few weeks until everyone forgets about it

ive seen it happen

no surprise.

Originally posted by clocker1996


lol everytime nocsol rips someone off he alwyas ignores the issue.. its not unusual to see, atleast not for me.

he always responds the same way "i'll answer that soon"

but he never does
he just waits a few weeks until everyone forgets about it

ive seen it happen

no surprise.

EVERYTIME??

Post will be reported!

There's a lesson to be learned from all of this:

Research those who you do business with, especially from this forum.
.

When you do business with the group of individuals such as you find here, you will ALWAYS find bad apples. It doesn't take THAT long to do a search (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/search.php?s=) on specific usernames, either by poster or by post, and it'll save you a LOT of headache in the longrun.

As far as the tactics of the seller (Nocsol), I'm not surprised. Some people just don't learn

Originally posted by KoWind


A couple more questions then...

1) There are only two reasons I can think of...
a) You filed a crimnal complaint. However, this does not stop you from disscussion the issue with anyone.
b) You haven't thought up a good enough excuse yet...

2) Chris Tibaldo from LiteOne.Com ...If I remember correctly, this guy made off with a crapload of people's money, didn't pay his suppliers, and still has customer's equipment locked at a colo facilaty. Did you buy the licance(s) before or after he ripped so many people off?

3) When you bought the licance(s), didn't YOU ask for an owner change? Or did you just leave them in Mr. Tibaldo's name?

4) If the licances were NOT in Mr. Tibaldo's name, or his company name, why didn't you verify the licance(s) when you bought them? This is kind of an addon to #3....

5) Have you notified anyone else who bought a licance from you, that the liceance(s) may be stolen?

6) Have you notified Plesk about any other licance(s) that you bought from Mr. Tibaldo that may be stolen?

I'm not trying to be a dickhead or anything, but I am very suspicious about this...it'd be easier for everyone involved if you just told us your side of the story...



What is this, a judge and jury? He is not on the stand people, lay off!!:eek:

Originally posted by wolfstream
There's a lesson to be learned from all of this:

Research those who you do business with, especially from this forum.
.

When you do business with the group of individuals such as you find here, you will ALWAYS find bad apples. It doesn't take THAT long to do a search (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/search.php?s=) on specific usernames, either by poster or by post, and it'll save you a LOT of headache in the longrun.

As far as the tactics of the seller (Nocsol), I'm not surprised. Some people just don't learn

If you can't afford to lose the money, then you can afford a phone call. That should help, and the buyer should call the seller so he has a phone number to cross reference to an address later if necessary.

Of course nothing is perfect, unless you meet face to face, sign a contract and then do business.

Originally posted by clocker1996


lol everytime ive seen a thread about nocsol rippping someone off or owing someone something, he alwyas ignores the issue.. its not unusual to see, atleast not for me.

he always responds the same way "i'll answer that soon"

but he never does
he just waits a few weeks until everyone forgets about it

ive seen it happen

no surprise.

Yep.... he is like that and the worst part of him is that, he likes to rip people off.

People should learn about him, now. :rolleyes: :angry:

Originally posted by Error


Yep.... he is like that and the worst part of him is that, he likes to rip people off.

People should learn about him, now. :rolleyes: :angry:

What is your problem mate??? I NEVER EVER rip people off! And THIS is the ONLY incident in over 2 years that I am here now and I explained the situation so wtf gives you the right to talk like that?

Know what? YOU rip people off too! I can say that, can't I?

And to set something straight ONCE AND FOR ALL:

Selling Plesk Licenses is NOT our core business. Actually it is NOT our business AT ALL that's why it happened only once.

We were sold stolen licenses and we didn't know. We had to revoke the licenses from our own hosting business and also the one we sold. We never intended this to happen it just did and it can happen to anyone.

Now, I agree that I could have double checked and also handled the whole issue more professionally. But SCAM or RIP OFF or whatever by the known bashers that target me (and others) all the time is bull-crap!

If you look at me you should look at the fact that for 2 years now I am here and everyone can reach me here via phone or email and I never hidden and I don't intend to.

I run a small company with a handful of customers and they are all happy and I wouldn't want to have it any other way so spare me the BS. If you want to let off steem, go to a gym but stop busting my balls over an already resolved issue which isn't even core-business of us too.

Cheers :beer: