had to walk under the subway this morning and 3 little buggers on skateboards decided to rob me

so one shoved me in the back so I stumbled, one grabbed my hair and bounced my face off the
wall. and the third one whipped my shoulder bag off

if they'd asked me they would have been welcome to the lousy money


now I'm sitting here with a black eye that's getting bigger. rotten headache and the old scabby
knees

I chased the little bastards too but they were well gone when I ran after them


cowards

sometimes I'd like a quiver full of arrows

*hands over the old bow and arrows*

That's tough! I've heard about it, but I usually travel by bike, so yhere isn't much they can do. They mugg elderly ladies, schoolmates, anyone... :( I read about one lady who'd been to the bank, and on her way home she noticed the same guys she saw on her way to the bank. They seemed a little suspicious so she kept an eye on them. Sue enough, they grabbed her bag and ran. She didn't run after them, there was no point. The bag was completely empty, and her money safe in her pocket :)

:( That's really bad news, something like that shakes you up badly, though I've never been mugged I've had to deal with muggers.
I know it doesn't help but my son-in-law left his home at 6am to go to work this morning only to find that someone had stolen his van during the night - he's self-employed.
I truly believe that what goes around comes around and eventually bad catches up with you!

PS - "X" - little kiss for the scabby knees ..... feel better now?

wish I'd read that years ago

mugg elderly ladies, yes, that's me nowadays

Originally posted by Reptilian Feline
They mugg elderly ladies,


For heavens sake we're trying to cheer her up!!!!!

OK grandad !!!!


observe me cheered up you old whinger you and have one of these :beer: on me

:love:

:love:

thanks

awwww....i can feel the love in the air....warm and moist....:pimp:

net-trend

yuck !

Originally posted by susannad
yuck !

Why the yuck? I was only pointing out my observation. ;)

:rolleyes:
good heavens ! and you "felt" :love: in rhe air ?

you must be a romantic, settle down, have a :beer: , relax

:smokin::smash:
:smokin::crying:

I read in the newspapers, that the people who are most likely to get mugged, and are afraid to be mugged, are young guys, like between 18 and 25. And some kids are afraid to go to school.

I'm glad I have my mountain bike with 24 speed and good tires! You can borrow it if you like. :)

Nobody loves me :bawling:

I mugged a postman once :)

unfortunately it was the same time a policeman came round the corner on a bike. Boy was it tough to explain I was just joking w/ the postie ;)

Sorry to hear about the mugging, may your wounds heal nicely and the little buggers get double whats coming to them.

some idiots tried to mug me on the way home from a night club. luckily it was 2 onto 1 odds and they were the typical tracksuited wimps and unarmed so they got a beating for their troubles. if theyd have had a gun they would have had the money no questions asked. my friend jake got mugged and they had a gun and he sensibly just handed over what he had.
its a horrible experience and myheart goes out to you. the perps truly are scum. glad tohear you got out of it relatively unscathed. hope you told the police.

My bike was stolen when I was in Grade 5 by some thugs. The bike was $200 and was 4 days old.

Aow! That is very sad. :( :( :( I hope you will feel better soon.

I have mugged my cat foxxie :D. I took her food :D;).

I hope you get better in due time, and next time remember to carry a backup plan :).

Ha, I was bike-less for the whole summer!!!

No, I havent been, but I avoid the south Bronx.

I used to throw concerts and other types of music events, one time we held an event deep in chicago, as we were leaving the venue, a handfull of black guys drew guns on us... I gave took the cash I had on me (between 700$~1400$).....

A friend of mine was robbed at the same venue after throwing a event there, he was robbed, but didnt give up the money, was shot in both legs, he Is now suing the venue, 3 people, and the chicago police department, becuase it is obiviosuly (and proof is avalible) that the venue, local police, and the hood's all concpirate on the robberies.

I had spent thousands on security and police that night, there was a local negihboorhood cop about 10 feet from us when we got robbed, they didnt do a thing as they were part of it.

The only way you can protect yourself from these kinds of situations is master kung-fu. ;]

Originally posted by ninji
The only way you can protect yourself from these kinds of situations is master kung-fu. ;]

I think in the ghetto, it's best that you run like you stole something!

Originally posted by hostingplex
Ha, I was bike-less for the whole summer!!!

Hey!, iv'e been "bike-less" for a year :(

Originally posted by hostingplex


I think in the ghetto, it's best that you run like you stole something!

I would of been shot in the back. They wern't playing games and this is apparent becuase just weeks later they shot another promoter I know.

However, it just so happens that someone who practices martial arts for 10 years, is usually fast enough to disarm someone before there fast enough to pull a trigger or realize whats going on. And once the robber losses the weapon to the victim.. Its a whole nother story from there...

damn.. sorry to hear. If you don't know martial arts, I recommend a redhawk .44. ;)

I ordered a Tommy Gun yesterday :D

Originally posted by Darth
Nobody loves me :bawling:

sure we do, can't you feel the love?? :D

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susannad: So sorry to hear about what happened :(

Never got mugged but I've had my house burglarized several times.
The biggest problem with being a victim of a crime is the damage it does to your personal sense of safety and well-being. If thieves can smash a window and get into your house or, as happened in my case, take the entire back door out of the frame, how can you protect yourself and stay safe? I can never leave without worrying about it, even though it was years and two cities ago.
The same with being mugged, I imagine. You look differently at peole on the street and have second thoughts about walking somewhere or where you park or even being out alone.
The biggest loss is your sense of peace and well-being.

Sorry to hear that. I hope you're OK.

Because I like to drive, I am a (used to be fulltime, now parttime) contractor for delivery who occasionally is a target.
If I am in the truck, and notice people following me, I do a quick T/A and start driving at them all crazy until I am quite sure they need a change of undergarments.
If I am outside the truck, I do a quick assessment, and act accordingly.
Once, a creep ran up with his hand in his pocket, and told me "I have a gun, and you're going to give me your money" I figured if he did have a gun, I was dead, and if he didn't, he wasn't going to get away scot free. (besides the fact that I don't carry any money, and my 6 feet rule meant my truck was locked) I took two steps forward, got in his face, and proceded to cuss him out, telling him he wasn't getting *poop* and to get the *heck* out of my face. He then runs (about 8 feet or so) to the truck and tries to open it. When he gets there, and finds it locked, I said "Look here, you don't want me to open that, cuz I got something in there just for people like you, so I suggest you get a running start." Of course he took off.
I'm not saying every situation can be avoided, but many times acting crazier than they are works.
Six years of working in unsavory areas, and becomming street smart helps. I pick my jobs more carefully now, even though I was never mugged. I figure why push my luck.
Four years of martial arts doesn't hurt either.

self defense is invaluable. knowing how to disarm someone (both in the weapon and literal sense) is very useful. its just a shame we have to know such things :(

hey osme bullies tried to mug me at school, weaklings put my hnand in my pocket as to get a my money and but then lunged at them with a pencil they ducked

I was mugged by this gang member on my way to school in Toronto @ Regent Park ( basically Toronto's "Hood" ). Though I am trained in a couple of martial arts its a little tough when its just you and he's got his buddies standy right there. If I had tried to run, they would have nabbed me. Anyways I handed over $40 which was all I had, and was what I used for transport. I managed to get away eventually, without getting hurt, but I was shown a nife and gun a few times, as well as a gang tatoo.

I ended up meeting up with him again on my way to school ( stupid move taking the same way to school ) I didn't put up with him at all that time. I had mace ready, I sprayed, triped him and ran. I never saw him again.

Another time, near a park where I used to live in Pickering, on the border to Scarborough ( Toronto ), a buddy and myself were mugged by these 3 local drug dealers. I used to get harrased quite a bit by the bigger one, but I always managed to get around it. This time the wanted to put up a fight and, unfortunately had one had a gun. We put up quite a fight and managed to run and get help.. about 4 hours later the cops showed up, whats the point really? Anyways, we didn't have any further trouble with them, and they were charged with other things, I think they had warrants out.

Sorry to hear about the mugging! :(

Cops recommend that you carry $10 in your bag and the rest on your person. That way, the mugger gets away with something, but not too much. They can get violent if they find out their attack did not net anything.

Just passing on the advice I've heard so often . . .

My little brother was once mugged on his way home from school (brother was only 8).. What did I do? I grabbed out my dirt bike (250 CC, heaps of grunt) and put my little brother on the bike and went looking for them.

When he pointed the 3 little runts out, I got off the bike, ran after them and well.. gave them a wooping!

And yah know what was the best part? When all 3 said a formal "Sorry" right there and then, and gave the money back.

Good stuff :cartman:

Oh well, the pencila ttack was funny,


But if im faced with people with better weapons, i hand it over

Havn't gotten my lunch money stolen yet

Originally posted by richy
some idiots tried to mug me on the way home from a night club. luckily it was 2 onto 1 odds and they were the typical tracksuited wimps and unarmed so they got a beating for their troubles. if theyd have had a gun they would have had the money no questions asked. my friend jake got mugged and they had a gun and he sensibly just handed over what he had.
its a horrible experience and myheart goes out to you. the perps truly are scum. glad tohear you got out of it relatively unscathed. hope you told the police.

Aren't you in the UK? They had a gun?

I was robbed once, but it was pretty "low key" I gave a dude a ride, while I was out pumping gas he stole my (other) pistol out of my glove box. I had my regular in an ankle holster and contemplated asking for my gun back. But I decided to kick him out of my car instead. He didn't pull the other pistol or anything just got out of the car while hollering he didn't steal nothing from nobody. Then I called the law, gave them the serial #'s so just in case it got used it was on record that it was stolen from me, and went home.

Originally posted by Dixiesys

Then I called the law, gave them the serial #'s so just in case it got used it was on record that it was stolen from me, and went home.


YOU CARRY 2 GUNS WITH YOU?!?!?! do you run a protection agency of some sort or is this a joke?! :D

You're allowed to carry 2 guns around with you? WTF? :eek:

Posted 1 min apart, net-trend - same response though. ;)

Originally posted by NexDog
Posted 1 min apart, net-trend - same response though. ;)

Heh! but seriously, i've seen cops with only a gun and that's it...

i've only seen guys having a gun in a car and a gun holsted on them in movies...

<< START NOTE TO SELF >>

DO NOT GET ON THE BAD SIDE OF DIXI

<< END NOTE TO SELF >>

Although I haven't been mugged, my friend was mugged before (name will be undisclosed).

He was working late at night @ around 11:00 at a restaurant. He was working on the front counter and an adult African-American walked in. He then went to the restroom and the African-American followed him in.

He then said he was cornered at the bathroom stall and the person stuck his hand in his pocket and said he had a gun (my friend didn't know if he had a gun or not, but of course noone would take any chances).

He demanded that my friend quietly go over to the cash register and hand over all the 20's in the cash register.

The money was handed over and the thief left, and I don't believe he was apprehended.

My friend was 15 years old.

Sad. :(

I was in my wife's car :D They actually stole HER gun.

She carried hers in the glovebox I carried mine in an ankle holster.

I haven't renewed my concealed weapons permit in a couple years since I mainly had it then because of working 2nd shift and the place I worked was in a bad neighborhood.

Though now that I sometimes I have to trek to the DC in the wee hours of the morning :( I think I'll get it renewed so I can carry a gun with me when I go to the DC late at night.

The "USA" allowing people to carry guns in the first place is why people like the "sniper" can get access to fire-arms so quickly and cause havoc.

In Canada, it's so difficult for a person to obtain a fire-arm license, and even tougher to get a gun!

Same here in Australia. I am yet to meet someone who owns a gun. Hell, the police have to hand their gun in after they finish work!

Guns are banned in Australia, aint they? People have to understand, it isn't the gun that kills someone, it is the person pulling the trigger. Guns are just an accesorry.

Originally posted by faculty

Guns are banned in Australia, aint they? People have to understand, it isn't the gun that kills someone, it is the person pulling the trigger. Guns are just an accesorry.

I disagree, without the gun the person won't have any trigger to pull.

Yeah, so they grab a knife and kill someone that way.


My fathers best mate is in charge of the local police station and he says they dont kill people, the person behind it does.

He has been a policeman for years, and has not shot 1 bullet.. but still gets the job done ;)

lol yes but knives are far easier to defend against:) guns are a little unfair because distance is less of a factor.

Originally posted by richy
self defense is invaluable. knowing how to disarm someone (both in the weapon and literal sense) is very useful. its just a shame we have to know such things :(

I'm sorry but you've been watching too many action movies and this isn't reality. I'm not aware of any reputable martial art schools that train you on how to disarm an individual with a gun.

The best thing to do when faced with this situation is get a good description of the perpetrator(s), hand over your money, and carry small amounts of cash.

I'm not aware of any reputable martial art schools that train you on how to disarm an individual with a gun.

You learn firearm disarming techniques at the more higher level of martial arts.

Read here on firearm disarming:

http://www.mwarrior.com/frgwn-2.htm

http://www.tacticalapplications.com/defensive.html

http://www.ju-jitsu.co.uk/speicalisedweapons.htm

Although I don't live in a major city, I believe that most cities hold clinics or private lessons where they teach you how to properly defend yourself in perilous events.

ummm localhost. please tell me where i referred to a gun. maybe my memory is ailing in my old age or maybe its all those movies lol but i wasnt talking about guns although i reccomend you read the links above. its possible just far harder.
for those that let their thinking brain dog have a vacation i was referring to knives. which since i live in the uk is pretty much all i would be threatened with normally.
morale : think before posting.

Originally posted by progex


You learn firearm disarming techniques at the more higher level of martial arts.


I would consider these tactical training schools for law enforcement agencies and not martial arts.

Erm..

I did martial arts (Goshin-RU) for about 5 years. They do teach you to disarm a weapon from someone. They taught me how to disarm someone who has a knife, gun, stick of some sort and numb-chuckers (god I forget how that is spelt).

Thing is, it was so long ago I probably wouldnt even think to try it :blush:

Originally posted by richy
ummm localhost. please tell me where i referred to a gun. maybe my memory is ailing in my old age or maybe its all those movies lol but i wasnt talking about guns although i reccomend you read the links above. its possible just far harder.
for those that let their thinking brain dog have a vacation i was referring to knives. which since i live in the uk is pretty much all i would be threatened with normally.
morale : think before posting.

Obviously, you were somehow offended by my post and that was not my intention. I was merely pointing out that it's best not to risk your life in these situations.

Originally posted by hostingplex
The "USA" allowing people to carry guns in the first place is why people like the "sniper" can get access to fire-arms so quickly and cause havoc.

In Canada, it's so difficult for a person to obtain a fire-arm license, and even tougher to get a gun!


Wow.. what an ignorant statement.

Would you like me to show you how easy it is to obtain a gun no matter where you live?

I'm not even going to start up the gun debate again, I spent way 2 much time on that as-is.

Its people like you who use one idiot ******* to claim that people being able to own guns is a bad thing. I'm sorry but if someone wants to go on a killing spree they WILL it doesn't matter what kind of laws are out there... it doesn't matter that he used an assault rifel either. Hunting rifels can use the same type of bullet that the assault rifel used. .223 is a common round for hunting rifels, so unless you want to go ban hunting rifels don't even start.

Originally posted by faculty
Erm..

I did martial arts (Goshin-RU) for about 5 years. They do teach you to disarm a weapon from someone. They taught me how to disarm someone who has a knife, gun, stick of some sort and numb-chuckers (god I forget how that is spelt).

Thing is, it was so long ago I probably wouldnt even think to try it :blush:

I've seen a few people instructed in martial arts get the crap kicked out of them by someone who was simply stronger and bigger. They assumed they were "trained" to defeat everybody in their path.

I wouldn't assume you have been 'trained' on how to take a gun away from someone. It takes a split second to pull a trigger and reaction time odds will always be in the favor of the person holding a gun.

I hate to say it but if your faced with a gun or hell even a knife, unless your day job is a police man then be smart and give them what they want... most guns have a very light tigger once cocked, and some are quite a hair trigger so even you just attempting to disarm the weapon from them may be enough to set it off... I'm very much an advocate of defending ones self, but only when your in a situation to do so... in no means should defending yourself put you in greater danger than you would be to just give it over...

A simple robbery is one thing... is 40 or 50 dollars really worth your life, or more importantly is it worth you taking the robbers life?

Now on the other hand if its a home invasion those thoughts don't come into play other than protecting your life as someone breaking into a house that knows there are people inside is usually not a good thing.. ^_^

Strength and size has nothing to do with fighting. It is knowing how to fight.

BTW - Our sensa did teach us how to disarm someone with a gun.. but it was shortly followed by "Now, with that said, here is how you get someone to put a gun down, just by talking to them"

He then taught us a little phsycological methods on how to talk the person outa it :)

faculty...

you say that strength and size has nothing to do with it...

You don't want to meet a big black guy I know... 400 some odd pounds and a good many scars... works down at a shop my neighbor uses when they have to rent some heavy machinery for when building houses... lets see you take him down by just knowing how to fight... ^_^

Originally posted by faculty
Strength and size has nothing to do with fighting. It is knowing how to fight.


I disagree once again, No i'm not picking on you! :D

But knowing how to fight is one thing, knowing how to think is another.

net-trend is right... as i mentioned in another post... (or maybe I didn't) there's a time and place for everything...

Very few situations will you be able to disarm someone... even fewer will you succeede.

Its all about knowing your capabilities... and unless you've been in a few situations I wouldn't make your first trying to take a gun out of some nervous kids hands which is probabbly cocked and loaded

Any real fighter knows strength has nothing to do with it.. or size. It is speed and the knowledge.

Your right! If you are piss-weak and have never attended classes or even had a fight in your life, it has a lot to do with it!

My sensa was not HUGE.. but I am telling you now, he would be able to take your black man out. Period.

Originally posted by faculty
Strength and size has nothing to do with fighting. It is knowing how to fight.


Tell that to Mike Tyson. There are some guys that hit hard and one punch will send you into dreamland. :nuts:

And thats when you use your martial arts skills to slip outa the way and break some balls.

With arrogance one is doomed to failure... :)

You'll understand as you see more of the world.

"martial arts skills" may help... but there's a big difference between being confident and being arrogant :)

Originally posted by faculty
And thats when you use your martial arts skills to slip outa the way and break some balls.

Mike Tyson might enjoy that. Hell.. why not he eats his opponets ears? :D

It is the people who are strong and fast, who also know martial arts that you gotta look out for...

*scratches head*

Martial arts has nothing to do with it.... oh well.. one opinion vs another lets call it a draw :)

Nothing to do with it? Are you for real? it is like saying "Hey I have a wicked assed server! it has this that the other.. its a real knockout! But erm.. what the hell is bind.. and apache?"

ffs.. :rolleyes:

Run away, live to fight another day :D

I'm a coward, really, yes I've had martial arts, several years of it, and no matter how good I got, some other dude always came along and showed me how good I wasn't. Could I whip the average "mugger"? Maybe, could I disarm him? Possibly. Or I might not, and get shot, or killed, or hell just stabbed really good, and that's what will make me shut the hell up and hand the man my wallet. The fact that I might NOT disarm him, I might NOT whip his ass (hell he might be an ex SEAL or somethign down on his luck) that makes me stop and think.

If he starts beating on me or if I get the feeling that despite the fact I'm gonna give him my wallet that he's still gonna shoot me, then I'll react as best I can, but until it's desperate I'll hand him what he wants and try like hell to talk him out of doing anything desperate.

I could have drawn my other gun that night, and the fact that I was familiar with it, that I knew every inch of it, how it recoiled, how it felt and had shot hundreds of rounds through it would have made me "probably" much more likely to be able to put my bullet where I wanted it, but what if? There ain't no do-overs when you're dead. So I let that fella keep my gun, I asked him to just get out of my car that I didn't want any trouble from him and he did that and I left. I made it home to my wife that night, and that made me more of a hero than shooting some fella over my gun (or getting shot trying to get it back from him).

Well Dixie about said it all... nothing else I can add to the debate other than agreeing with him and hoping it opens faculty's eyes a wee bit :)

Originally posted by DanielP
Well Dixie about said it all... nothing else I can add to the debate other than agreeing with him and hoping it opens faculty's eyes a wee bit :)

Faculty's still a teen, teen's have this mentality that they are invinsible or something. I know i was once like that, but if there are grown ups that DO think like him, i'd be really terrified.

Thats true...

To me its all about the risk involved... its not like I'm going to pull my gun out and shoot somebody if its a simple robbery... I'd be a dumbass if I did.. and most likley get someone else shot because of it... now on the other hand if lets say the robbers come in and kill someone to attempt to make a point I have no choice other than to draw my gun... because the robbers were the ones who raised the stakes and not me... they were the ones who in the end decided that they were going to kill people... in that situation I'd never know if I would be next or not so I'm forced to take that choice and make that risk to protect myself and hopefully end it right then and there... I don't think I could live with myself if I didn't try if the stakes were that high... but we all hope that such a situation never arises

bloody hell !
what a heap of responses .. and what I did in starting this thread was actually to give myself a chance to have a bit oif a whinge, a bit of letting out, before I actually thought what I'd do, perhaps it be better called 'therapy-for-the-recently-mugged'

so I used this forum to indulge myself in a bit of self-pity

amazing how the thread has become bloodthirsty

we don't have that instant access to guns in Australia to which so many of you refer .. and of course it's fine to know 'self defence' but where's the line that defines 'defense' from 'offense' ?

of course I'm bloody angry with these kids who did this, angry because they're stupid, angry because they get so sucked in to the idea of instant material gain that they'll go and steal it and mainly because they are stupid

But I certainly I don't want to arm myself with a chain saw and go and destroy them !!!!

and thanks for all of the other posts that wished me well, I remember who posted them, I won't forget

localhost, if you read my posts (and in the gun thread) youl notice i had said that when faced with a gun to hand over the money and do whatever your told :) sorry if i got pissed but im sick of people trying to get clever and ignoring the point in posts to try and score little victories.

Originally posted by localhost
The best thing to do when faced with this situation is get a good description of the perpetrator(s), hand over your money, and carry small amounts of cash.

I agree.

I never usually carry any more than about $50 with me at one time. Normally I carry (in terms of money access):
* $50 in small ($5, $10 or $20) notes
* Visa card
* ATM card

The main ATM card has a savings account linked to it with $500 max in the account (usually about $200). If I need more cash I'll transfer from my cheque account with my mobile phone. My other ATM cards are linked to all accounts but I normally leave them at home.

I've never been mugged, but I know several people who have. The best thing would be to just hand over your cash. Money is replaceable, lives aren't.

It's funny... I lived in an area that has one of the worst reputations in Sydney in terms of mugging and I've never been mugged once (despite living there for 3+ years and coming home, etc. late at night). I don't live near there anymore though.

--Shaun

Originally posted by richy
localhost, if you read my posts (and in the gun thread) youl notice i had said that when faced with a gun to hand over the money and do whatever your told :) sorry if i got pissed but im sick of people trying to get clever and ignoring the point in posts to try and score little victories.

I'll admit I don't come here much and tend to scan threads but for the record I wasn't trying to 'score a victory'.

I made the comment about action flicks since I watch 'em and most guys can relate to them. I tend to laugh when I see those actors disarming bad guys with guns in one swift move. It's not a realistic outcome and the odds are against you and that was the only point I tried to make.

Originally posted by shaunewing

It's funny... I lived in an area that has one of the worst reputations in Sydney in terms of mugging and I've never been mugged once (despite living there for 3+ years and coming home, etc. late at night).

Robbers, muggers, rapists, etc. look for those they perceive as victims. If you walk with your head up, look people in the eye and are aware of your surroundings you are less likely to become a victim. This isn't true in every case but can and does prevent you from being targeted.

heh sorry localhost, yeah i know movies show a very unrealistic side of things. but self defense and being a caveman has its advantages :)

movies are pretty unrealistic, i do agree with not keeping much cash

Originally posted by susannad
had to walk under the subway this morning and 3 little buggers on skateboards decided to rob me

so one shoved me in the back so I stumbled, one grabbed my hair and bounced my face off the
wall. and the third one whipped my shoulder bag off

if they'd asked me they would have been welcome to the lousy money


now I'm sitting here with a black eye that's getting bigger. rotten headache and the old scabby
knees

I chased the little bastards too but they were well gone when I ran after them


cowards

sometimes I'd like a quiver full of arrows

That sucks. I carry a can of whoop ass around with me every where (LMAO just had to say that) so no problem with getting mugged. But this reminds me of that part in go in 60 seconds where the old black guy is stealing a car pulling out of a parking garage in it, and like some kid that looked like marshall mathers walked up and put a gun to his head and tried to steal the car he gets out and like knocks the kid to the ground and is like "boy I ought to teach you how to steal a car".

lol i remember that film well :) whup ass spray is prolly illegal here. however snarly dogs are perfectly legal plus can be trained (read as begged) to fetch slippers.

Thankfully I've never been robbed or mugged. I live in a small town though - not that much crime.

If I were mugged I'd gladly give my wallet up without a fight. The few peices of plastic I have aren't worth my life...

I'd gladly give my wallet up without a fight. The few peices of plastic I have aren't worth my life... That's my whole point !
For the lousy stinking few dollars and a couple of pieces of rotten plastic (which consisted of a a card at a womens' clothing store, a card for a baby clothing store and a bank card which never has more than $US 50 only able to be used at safeways) I would have given them my few $$ if they asked

I'm a sucker for strangers asking me for money !

I'm pissed off that they weren't content to just grab my little shoulder bag .. OK, I suppose that could have needed me being knocked down first .. but there was no need to bash my face against the subway wall !

Luckily we don't see guns here in Australia, except if it's being worn by a police officer .. and knives are pretty rare ..

And lucky we don't carry guns here, whether in our bags, pockets, glove boxes, strapped to our ankles, where ever, for I was shocked and angry enough at that time when I got up and ran after them
(not so much to tackle them but to chase them keeping them in sight, and make a great deal of noise as I was doing so .. I was shoping to chase them home or to alert someone else to stop at least one of them)

when I chased them, if I had been in possession of a gun I would have fired at them

a few $$ isn't worth maiming, much less killing, anyone for

Unfortuantely I have been jumped and robbed. I was on the way to where all of my family lives in the overbrook west philly area. They live in a pretty decent area, however I deceided to stop in the ghetto to get gas and use the bathroom, I was walking to the bathroom and I was attacked by 4-5 guys. They took my wallet, and everything that was inside. I learned my lesson, dont stop where you are not welcome.

Alot of martial arts masters can pinch several parts or your arm or neck and paralyze you, usually someone who spends multiples hours a day practicing such strikes and punches is quick enough to strike before a person can pull a trigger.

even a moderate martial artist can be quick enough to grand and push someones hand in the right direction before they can pull the trigger.

I know many martial artists who could draw and throw a ninjastar three times before someone could draw and shoot a gun...

The amount of speed and accuracy maintained by people who dedicated their lives to just such instances is immesaurable. Your right about movies not portraything things truley, but jet li could most likely disarm a handgun at close range becuase of how fast and trained he is. In movies, martial artists like jet have to slow down up to 1/12th of their capable speeds when throwing kicks and punches becuase the film cant possible capture anything near as fast as that. You probably assume hes a mildly trained actor with adose of mild training but at Age 13, Jet had won the Chinese Nationals, The 2nd and 3rd place winners were in their 20's and 30's, jet won first place being 13.

I myself could not disarm a gun, but as an example, recently i've been traning with ninja stars, and while im not faster than a bullet, i gurantee within a year I could throw a star and hit a target accuractly faster than some random guy who hasnt shot a gun enough to be deadly accurate...(Please dont attempt to hold me to this)

Alot of you probably think im wandering into fantasy and am 'living in movies' but ive seen alot more than you would belive first hand.

Yerp..

Takes me back to my days in martial arts. I only got up to brown belt though.. 1 more and I would have been black.. ah well.. i left it cause it started to bore me :o

Especially training for the marta.. damn that was boring stuff!

Aw, shame on you. ;)

1st Dan Aikidoka here. :wavey:

ive read a few post that say to fight back. Thats the last thing to do. Like somone else said money can be replaced lives cant. My childhood best friend's dad owned a pawn shop. Some guy try to rob his store. This guy told him to F off. The guy got pissed and yelled again for the money. Max's dad bends down and to the safe and pulls a gun on the guy. The robber freaked out when he saw the Gun and shot Max's dad in the head. It was only about 7 hours later in the hospital that he died. Tore my friend and I up. Ever since then ive never fought back. Ive never been muged though. My van has ben stolen though...got it back about 2 months later though...which was like 2 days before i was buying a new car lol so i lucked out.

Yes a few people can disarma gun fast enough, most can't, im not gonna even try

The penalty for failure in your martial arts class is you have to practice harder.

The penalty for failure "on the street" is a bullet if you're lucky it'll be just 1 bullet and someplace like the shoulder or leg.

Given the penalties for not being fast enough, I'll give him my wallet.

Originally posted by Dixiesys
The penalty for failure "on the street" is a bullet if you're lucky it'll be just 1 bullet and someplace like the shoulder or leg.Good point. And even disregarding a gun, remember one thing about "on the street" -- a factor that might surprise you is that the person you're up against may have no limits to what he'll do to "win." If you're any kind of a "normal," civilized person some part of you will hold back -- you'll have limits. But if you're dealing with a committed "street criminal," maybe a guy who has spent eight or ten years in prison (try to imagine what fights in prison are like), a guy who will not hesitate at all to kill you in a fight... can you actually say you'll be as committed to winning that encounter as he is? Well, I hope not.

You're fighting for your wallet. The guy you're fighting might be a sociopath to whom you've just given, in his mind, justification to take actions you'd never want to live with taking -- but about which he won't have a minute's regret.

Not trying to be dramatic, but I've met some of these guys.

The story that started this thread involved some guys who had no problems with, for the promise of a little bit of spending money, slamming a woman's face into a wall. That's what separates most "regular Joe" types -- the rest of us -- working 40 hours in an office, or sitting in school, all week and dealing politely and reasonably with everyone they encounter every day, from the armed (or unarmed) thug on the street looking to rob someone. And for most people having some martial arts training isn't going to change that... in most cases I'd still put my money on the street- and jail-experienced mugger. Granted, they aren't all that way; but why risk it?

For a start ... to the thread poster ... sorry that you had to go through that .... not a nice feeling.

Secondly, there are different levels of viloence/response situations. I read few of the previous posts and people making fun of the martial arts guys. In general I wold agree .. most of the so called martial arts classes do not equip you mentally for the shock/stress of a crime. They teach you how to kick how to disarm and such, but being faced with a gun in your face is a different thing alltogether.

I have been hijacked two times and mugged once. In two of the hijacking situations I used a crowbar and the mugger I just beat up. I have been practicing martial arts for some time so I am sure that it was a great help. But I must emphesize that reactions differ from person to person. It's a mixture of your personality, family history, upbringing, lifestyle and your state of mind/mood at the time. In all o the instances above I felt like an idiot afterwards and tried to tell myself that it was stupid to resist, but then on the other hand I wander if I did not resist, would I still be alive today.

Respone to violance is 100% dependent on the person. You just have to know yourself and what you are capable of, unfortunatelly a lot of people are mislead by the media / mediocre training and find out that they can not handle it when it's too late ...

and just to add my little piece of martial arts information, a guy with a gun and a guy with a knife, less than 10 meters apart. The guy with the knife has a pretty good chance to come up a winner. You would be surprised how long it actually takes to pull out a gun and fire into a target. You just have to be awake and watch your surroundings.

Ya ive never been mugged but my house was being robbed one time well I was in it, I was about 14 and was with my sister.

The burglars didnt notice we were in there and we didnt see them, we only heard them. I heard them throw our dog down the stairs and when I heard that I felt like going and throwing them down the stairs.

Anyways to make a long story short, we ran across the street to our neighbours house (lived in the country, neighbour wasnt to close) called 911, they came, chased them through a field, caught them, and all was well.

The dog was fine also :)

well... since this thread is already off topic, I figure I'll add to it. I own 3 weapons (2 handguns, and a shot gun.) I have firearms permit for the state of Indiana. I usually carry a Glock 30 (http://www.glock.com/g30.htm) concealed whenever I'm not at work. I used to carry it with me to work (and keep it in the car) but now I only live about 10 minutes away from work.

-neil

nobody wins an argument with a loaded and drawn gun.

re all the martial arts talk, you guys are probably tough, and spar in nice clean dojos

ever had an issue with a street person, high as a kite and used to fighting 2-3 times per day on the street.

the gloves, the pads, the nice courtsey of not following through with the round house kick to the ribs, shows pretty quick and ugly.

give up the dinero go home take a cold shower and thank god you lived to tell about it.

i have known very very skilled persons that didnt..

Originally posted by AdamTuttle
Ya ive never been mugged but my house was being robbed one time well I was in it, I was about 14 and was with my sister.

The burglars didnt notice we were in there and we didnt see them, we only heard them. I heard them throw our dog down the stairs and when I heard that I felt like going and throwing them down the stairs.

Anyways to make a long story short, we ran across the street to our neighbours house (lived in the country, neighbour wasnt to close) called 911, they came, chased them through a field, caught them, and all was well.

The dog was fine also :)

that advantage of having a gun in the house.