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Offering state-of-the-art carbon neutral domain namesFirstly, what rubbish. Secondly, it only creates more confusion for amateurs. Thirdly, is business all about bragging and lying? Lastly, thanks for making my day, Mr Limepath.

Some people will try anything in the name of marketing.

There are hosts with solar powered datacenters out there.

Haha pretty unique

solar poweredPlease tell me a datacenter that is solare powered rofl... It's generally wind powered credits. Pumped into the powergrid.

Whoever said that is a joke. They'd have to (somewhere down the line) deal with Nominet, ICANN etc who clearly aren't "carbon neutral"

Yes, in this case the person saying it is obviously just trying to gain business by lying. Quite sad to see.

Some hosts plant trees, as recommended by the inventor of the internet.

Personally I think the whole energy credits scheme is a sham, but that is a subject for another forum

Haha pretty unique

Please tell me a datacenter that is solare powered rofl... It's generally wind powered credits. Pumped into the powergrid.

Google is pretty good for looking for these things. Here is one:

http://www.aiso.net/

Some hosts plant trees, as recommended by the inventor of the internet.
That is true, however registering a domain name creates basically zero additional carbon usage since the structures and all are in place to register a domain.

In-fact, planting a tree may involve driving out to a forest. So in some ways it'd use more energy to plant a tree than it would to register a domain.

I do know what you mean, but a "carbon zero domain" is a joke aimed at exploiting ignorance, that is all.

Tristan - I had edited my post while you were replying

But in all fairness to limepath, that quote by OP is a little misleading. Here it is from post in question:


Limepath LTD, is one of the most recent up and coming web hosting providers in the world. Offering state-of-the-art carbon neutral domain names, web hosting, dedicated servers and other web related services.

And here is their policy: http://www.limepath.com/carbon.php

Like many, I don't think credits and offsets do much but I would not go so far as to accuse limepath of being sneaky with phoney marketing tactics

[Note: this is another example of what I find to be a common occurence on this board. Someone comes along and makes a statement about a host and everyone takes the virtually anonymous poster at his/her word. Most of the time when I do a little digging I find these OPs at least a little off the mark. Is it intentional? Who knows.]

Tristan - I had edited my post while you were replying

But in all fairness to limepath, that quote by OP is a little misleading. Here it is from post in question:

And here is their policy: http://www.limepath.com/carbon.php

Like many, I don't think credits and offsets do much but I would not go so far as to accuse limepath of being sneaky with phoney marketing tactics

[Note: this is another example of what I find to be a common occurence on this board. Someone comes along and makes a statement about a host and everyone takes the virtually anonymous poster at his/her word. Most of the time when I do a little digging I find these OPs at least a little off the mark. Is it intentional? Who knows.]
Very good post. I agree entirely (including with your edit).

I taken what was said as accurate since LaptopFreak (quite an active member) posted it, although I can understand that the user *may* have meant that the hosting and all is "carbon free" (although still, putting domain names first in that list implies carbon freeness which is still naive to say the least)

But thanks for that post, I agree entirely with it :)

If they are purchasing offsets the I wouldn't say they're lying, although I would want to see proof that they actually are. However even if they are "state-of-the-art carbon neutral domain names" is misleading at best, a even a bit deceptive too since many will debate the legitimacy of purchasing offsets in order to be green.

Sleazy marketing, IMHO.

There are hosts with solar powered datacenters out there.Some DCs use solar panels kind of things, however, they only contribute to the minority of the electrical consumption, and yet being advertised as if everything is green.

Some hosts plant trees, as recommended by the inventor of the internet.

Personally I think the whole energy credits scheme is a sham, but that is a subject for another forumPlant trees for? I have no idea what is the relationship between planting trees and a green hosting environment.

Google is pretty good for looking for these things. Here is one:

http://www.aiso.net/Is it really 100% green? I highly doubt so. Many companies tend to advertise the green word too big.

That is true, however registering a domain name creates basically zero additional carbon usage since the structures and all are in place to register a domain.

In-fact, planting a tree may involve driving out to a forest. So in some ways it'd use more energy to plant a tree than it would to register a domain.

I do know what you mean, but a "carbon zero domain" is a joke aimed at exploiting ignorance, that is all.Not exactly. When you register a domain, ICANN and the registries' servers are not green, that is for sure.

Tristan - I had edited my post while you were replying

But in all fairness to limepath, that quote by OP is a little misleading. Here it is from post in question:



And here is their policy: http://www.limepath.com/carbon.php

Like many, I don't think credits and offsets do much but I would not go so far as to accuse limepath of being sneaky with phoney marketing tactics

[Note: this is another example of what I find to be a common occurence on this board. Someone comes along and makes a statement about a host and everyone takes the virtually anonymous poster at his/her word. Most of the time when I do a little digging I find these OPs at least a little off the mark. Is it intentional? Who knows.]You are correct. That can also be called as a grammatical error, however, most likely done intentionally, to "fish" for amateurs.

I have no feud with Limepath, but I really dislike dishonesty.

Very good post. I agree entirely (including with your edit).

I taken what was said as accurate since LaptopFreak (quite an active member) posted it, although I can understand that the user *may* have meant that the hosting and all is "carbon free" (although still, putting domain names first in that list implies carbon freeness which is still naive to say the least)

But thanks for that post, I agree entirely with it :)That should teach you not to take everything you read as true. ;) (kinda conflicting myself..)

I have a question for Limepath. How can they be so sure that their DC is carbon-free, unless they own their own DC, which they obviously don't. In someway or the other, it can't possibly be 100% carbon-free, unless I miss out something.

If they are purchasing offsets the I wouldn't say they're lying, although I would want to see proof that they actually are.

They offer a way for you to get proof, if you are really interested in proof.

However even if they are... a bit deceptive too since many will debate the legitimacy of purchasing offsets in order to be green.

Sleazy marketing, IMHO.

The debate would not be if they are "green" but if being "green" is all that useful. Regardless, some people find that important. Who are you to call that "sleazy?"

Not exactly. When you register a domain, ICANN and the registries' servers are not green, that is for sure.
I completely agree :) I just sort of meant that when you register a domain, a new entry is inserted into a database somewhere, some DNS servers update, and that's about it. The ozone layer doesn't deplete per .com registered :stickout: It's not exactly like registering a domain is as bad for the environment as deploying a new server, driving in your car etc; that's all I meant :)


That should teach you not to take everything you read as true. ;) (kinda conflicting myself..)
Haha, thanks for the advice :D

Plant trees for? I have no idea what is the relationship between planting trees and a green hosting environment.

I have a question for Limepath. How can they be so sure that their DC is carbon-free, unless they own their own DC, which they obviously don't. In someway or the other, it can't possibly be 100% carbon-free, unless I miss out something.

They don't claim to be carbon-free. Where are you getting that from?

They do claim to be carbon neutral through offsets. And if you have "no idea what is the relationship between planting trees and a green hosting environment" as you admit above then I suggest you do a little research before passing judgement on something you have "no idea" about.

If your feigned interest was real you would have done that by now. Everything is there on the site to follow up on and to verify. Oh well.

Those bast*rds at Dell. They are advertising green servers. How sleazy, how outrageous. Don't by servers from these guys -- they are liars!

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/global/products/pedge/topics/en/pedge_energy_2970?c=us&cs=555&l=en&s=biz


OMG! Even Cisco is writing a how-to manual on how to be a sleazy liar: http://www.cisco.com/web/solutions/smb/need_to/strategies_for_going_green.html

Those bast*rds at Dell. They are advertising green servers. How sleazy, how outrageous. Don't by servers from these guys -- they are liars!

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/global/products/pedge/topics/en/pedge_energy_2970?c=us&cs=555&l=en&s=biz
I'd argue that you shouldn't buy servers from them since their technical support is a joke, although either reason is good :D

I completely agree :) I just sort of meant that when you register a domain, a new entry is inserted into a database somewhere, some DNS servers update, and that's about it. The ozone layer doesn't deplete per .com registered :stickout: It's not exactly like registering a domain is as bad for the environment as deploying a new server, driving in your car etc; that's all I meant :)

Haha, thanks for the advice :DYes the impact isn't that big, however, look at the numbers registered, surely after summing them up, it is a decent amount right?

They don't claim to be carbon-free. Where are you getting that from?

They do claim to be carbon neutral through offsets. And if you have "no idea what is the relationship between planting trees and a green hosting environment" as you admit above then I suggest you do a little research before passing judgement on something you have "no idea" about.

If your feigned interest was real you would have done that by now. Everything is there on the site to follow up on and to verify. Oh well.Sorry, I got mixed up reading the carbon-free statements by other users...

My understanding of planting trees and green hosting environment compared to my original post is two different situations.

Yes the impact isn't that big, however, look at the numbers registered, surely after summing them up, it is a decent amount right?
Yes, you are right there. I do still think that carbon neutral domains is silly though :stickout:

Don't get me wrong, we are probably mostly on the same page. I don't buy into the green thing myself. I find that being green has costs that cancel out the benefits.

But a lot of people see value in it -- just look around at the many "green" products these days. Therefore I do think it is a legit "feature" to market. I don't think a company should be trashed for it

Yes, you are right there. I do still think that carbon neutral domains is silly though :stickout:

What about carbonneutral.com? :nuke:

Unless their server and it's components are biodegradable, then that kinda puts the green issue well and truly up the spout. :)

I'm all for this green eco stuff, like recycling waste etc, but for christ's sake they should leave hosting out of it lol.

It's political correctness going crazy.

What next? underpants with a reuseable pouch that safely traps the bag gas so you can dispose of it without polluting the atmosphere.

owm

It's political correctness going crazy.

What next? underpants with a reuseable pouch that safely traps the bag gas so you can dispose of it without polluting the atmosphere.

owm

I've just pulled out my notepad... Good idea though... haha :stickout:

I'm so convinced,

I'm going to start promoting 'Green Baby Names'

They don't claim to be carbon-free. Where are you getting that from?

They do claim to be carbon neutral through offsets. And if you have "no idea what is the relationship between planting trees and a green hosting environment" as you admit above then I suggest you do a little research before passing judgement on something you have "no idea" about.

If your feigned interest was real you would have done that by now. Everything is there on the site to follow up on and to verify. Oh well.

To add to that:

There are some people who wish to operate a successful business that does not damage the earth.

They do what they can - avoid waste, use energy-efficient equipment, recycle, have bicycle sheds for employees' use, operate car pool schemes, and so on.

And there are customers who prefer dealing with such companies.

One of the schemes gaining attention is "carbon offsets". It may be debatable just how effective such schemes are; but unless there is something better the companies could be doing, there seems no reason to attack them simply for doing their best; or for making their efforts known to potential customers.

Is it really 100% green? I highly doubt so. Many companies tend to advertise the green word too big.

I watched the video from NetApp on this page:

http://www.aiso.net/news-videos.html

These guys are mind-boggling green. I would think it's hard to get a data center any greener than this. All solar powered in the middle of a farm!

I just sort of meant that when you register a domain, a new entry is inserted into a database somewhere, some DNS servers update, and that's about it. The ozone layer doesn't deplete per .com registered


Please dont bring O3 into a debate about carbon it just confuses the issues.

Obviously in your world DNS updates by magic, and registry database update happen without using electricity ... and Santa has eloped with the Tooth Fairy, leaving the soulcake Duck on the streets :p

Back in the real world, all these things have a cost - as to whether its actually being calculated/resolved by offsets or whatever, or just another snake-oil marketing scam is open to interpretation :D

Please dont bring O3 into a debate about carbon it just confuses the issues.

Obviously in your world DNS updates by magic, and registry database update happen without using electricity ... and Santa has eloped with the Tooth Fairy, leaving the soulcake Duck on the streets :p

Back in the real world, all these things have a cost - as to whether its actually being calculated/resolved by offsets or whatever, or just another snake-oil marketing scam is open to interpretation :D
It's fun to confuse things :stickout: But point taken ;)

I agree that everything has a cost, and I'm not arguing that the systems in place to register a domain don't take up any sort of carbon etc. I just think that saying you offset the cost of registering a domain is a snake-oil marketing sham that's all :D

However I own 200 domains - maybe I just have this view due to extreme guilt that I'm ruining the planet? :D

Just think, for every domain you host a disease carrying microbe is killed and we get closer to the day that the tundra becomes fertile farmland. Host on, my friends!

I watched the video from NetApp on this page:

http://www.aiso.net/news-videos.html

These guys are mind-boggling green. I would think it's hard to get a data center any greener than this. All solar powered in the middle of a farm!

Many of the posts in this thread have been discussing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin when companies like aiso.net are actually going out there and really doing the green thing!

How many hosters here are doing or planning to do the same type of thing as aiso.net?

Google is pretty good for looking for these things. Here is one:

http://www.aiso.net/


As a matter of fact, Google has a solar project: http://www.google.com/corporate/solarpanels/img/pic/solar4.jpg

I find it amusing that people bash companies so easily over these things!

Wow looks like I missed this thread, I think I best sign up for the corporate package to get alerts when the company is mentioned!

We do not claim to be carbon free in any way shape or form. We are carbon neutral this means that we offset all the carbon the company uses - our servers and office; all electrical equipment is offset.

I would be more than happy to provide you with the certificates that we have from JP Morgan confirming our offsets.

The phrase that appears to have caused the most drama in this thread

Limepath LTD, is one of the most recent up and coming web hosting providers in the world. Offering state-of-the-art carbon neutral domain names, web hosting, dedicated servers and other web related services.

The process involved from Limepath end in registering the domains can be classed as carbon neutral because all of the backend from Limepath's side is carbon neutral.

I will ofcourse admit I did not intend the carbon neutral domain phrase but it is technically correct. It is also quite amusing I find how quick others like Aussie-Bob (probably one of the most active and respected members on this forum) are to jump up and bash people without even looking into the source of the thread.

I am glad I found this thread to set it straight and thanks to those who actually bothered to read our site defending us.