Payton Designs Rips Sites [Archive]

toughshot

05-04-2009, 05:44 PM

Just a heads up, Payton Designs (paytondesigns.com) has ripped one of my designs recently.

threemethods.com/CrazyVPS/host.html
earthVPS.com (gives himself full credit)

Go to the view source and you will see this text on the EarthVPS site: 

Was told to post here to make everyone aware of him.

PogiWeb

05-04-2009, 05:52 PM

This is very interesting and I can confirm the same thing on my end.

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">


<head>
<title>EarthVPS | out of the universe vps servers.</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
<link rel="stylesheet" href="style.css" type="text/css" />
</head>
<body>

UNIXy

05-04-2009, 05:57 PM

I'm interested in hearing from him about this. He's very active here so hopefully soon.

Regards

IGXHost

05-04-2009, 06:02 PM

Let's just wait to see his side of the story. Payton's a great script/design integrator and he's a pretty active and reliable member of these boards. Have you tried PMing him directly to try to get his attention on this thread?

Spunkyasp

05-04-2009, 06:02 PM

Hi, I represent EarthVPS.

This is all a mistake. I have paid my $350 for the design and received it. As you can see in Paytondesigns portfolio, it is in their.

Payton Designs

05-04-2009, 06:06 PM

Hi,

The situation with this is still on going. We had purchased parts of this design from someone on these forums. Assuming that I was receiving a legit copy of the design with full rights ( I wanted to use parts of it for a client ), I had only received a duplicate. I will remove the content from my portfolio until all this can be sorted out.

I will be contacting all parties regarding this matter.

Spunkyasp

05-04-2009, 06:18 PM

The guy posted a ticket on my website. He claims that I removed what said that it was mirrored. I do not understand because everything is still there. I am not taking off this design as I have paid for it and am the rightful owner.

VN-Ken

05-04-2009, 06:19 PM

Payton Designs

05-04-2009, 06:26 PM

So you're a design company... and you don't even design your own work?...:eek: Looks like more than just parts.

If I purchase something that is rightfully mine, and the client is completely satisfied with those parts of the design, then is it really necessary?

You can view my portfolio to view our kind of work, and I can promise nothing in those designs have been previously purchased.

Satisfying the client is the number one priority, correct?

Spunkyasp

05-04-2009, 06:30 PM

So you're a design company... and you don't even design your own work?...:eek: Looks like more than just parts.

I haven't heard one person complain about Paytondesigns besides this clown who opened the thread. If it is owned by Paytondesigns I have no problem with them using it on my design.

Payton Designs

05-04-2009, 06:39 PM

I apologize for not giving credit where credit is deserved and claiming the entire design was created by us.

I have changed my portfolio to reflect on the work that was done.

Payton Designs

05-04-2009, 06:59 PM

I must also point out that the OP himself had stated the design was sold.

The design has been sold, thanks.

toughshot

05-04-2009, 07:20 PM

Clown? Why would I not complain if someone was potentially ripping a design that I made? He has said his side of the story and now I can understand that he purchased it from someone else. Given the coding inside the index.html page that says it was being copied from my domain kind of screams "rip" so it should be understandable why I would post this, Clown.

PogiWeb

05-04-2009, 09:24 PM

Tristan Perry

05-05-2009, 03:37 AM

I understand your frustration but lets avoid the name calling...
Agreed, although he was responding to someone calling him a clown ;) Still, I do agree though!

Good luck to both parties in getting this resolved - I was able to see the source yesterday and the "Ripped from threemethods.com" in the source was worrying, although I guess it wasn't as sinister as first though.

Good luck both buyer and seller.

Jay August

05-05-2009, 03:39 AM

Avoid this crap, always design your own stuff.

siforek

05-07-2009, 11:50 AM

What concerns me the most is that if Payton Designs purchased pieces of the design from someone else, why would they not review it before using it? Personally I design everything myself, but I think there's nothing wrong with outsourcing, delegating, or purchasing "unique" material to reach the overall goal of satisfying the client.



That doesn't sit well with me. If Payton Designs has been honest about this, then it's a great tragedy & the actual thief should be publicly announced. I know many here mite disagree with me on that point, but I know all too well what it feel like to have your hard work simply taken & it's an ongoing battle.

I don't buy the "it wasn't me" defense Payton. I've been told that far too many times. But if I'm wrong please forgive me, and provide evidence that you were not the thief here.

JayX

05-07-2009, 12:15 PM

It's sad that 3 people have been hurt here if only the truth has been told. The only person who 'wins' is whoever ripped the site to begin with and made a quick buck off it.

Altho in fairness, if I was in the position where I needed to purchase designs, I would have absolutely looked at the source and spotted that RIP tag within seconds. I can't believe it wasn't checked before content was put in, even if you need to rely on a WYSIWYG editor.

Jame$

05-07-2009, 12:42 PM

I don't know how one could view it "100% Custom & Unique" as advertised on their website, if it was just a template made by someone else modified. I would probably be a bit annoyed if I was the customer to be honest.

semoweb

05-07-2009, 01:13 PM

If I purchase something that is rightfully mine, and the client is completely satisfied with those parts of the design, then is it really necessary?

You can view my portfolio to view our kind of work, and I can promise nothing in those designs have been previously purchased.

Satisfying the client is the number one priority, correct?
Very much correct but did you not see the source with the other guy's info at all while placing it on your very own client's design? Or am i confused?

Shikhir A

05-07-2009, 01:15 PM

siforek

05-07-2009, 03:17 PM

Hi,

I think I know another victim (well, I confirmed it) that is part of this. A few months ago, a friend of mine who owned a host called "HostMiracle" decided to get his 2nd design from Payton -- he was very happy and showed me the URL. Right there I knew something was wrong -- http://paytondesigns.com/portfolio.html is the URL and if you click VPSNerds you can see the image.

I asked my friend to take a look at http://devify.com/ (this guy has a template that I sold to him) -- the template that is "VPSNerds" on PaytonDesigns is ripped somewhat (he edited some code) from the original template owner, http://www.sweetas.info/sold/web-hosting-template-52/

That template above was sold to me from SweetAs, which I sold to Devify a month before VPSNerds was made. SweetAs advertises here on WHT, so I assume Payton got the files by ripping and then re-colored it. But, if you see, it has a color similar and same table design as the SweetAs/Devify design.

Also, my friend viewed the source of his new design, found out it was the same code as devify, and asked for a refund. He told me he got it after opening a dispute; so I thought nothing of it at the time.

==

Wow, looks like there's quite a bit of explaining to do.. Payton?

Seems that the more sites/designs change hands, the more of this type of thing happens. So although to some extent I'd agree with Jay August, not everyone can design their own stuff. So better to check anything you buy a bit better(http://copyscape.com) or ensure you've getting 100% custom work.

Thank god my clients don't have to deal with this. There's no way they could think anything I do is anything other than custom/unique simply because I make sure they're watching me every step of the process to give feedback & tell me precisely what they want. :)

SenseiSteve

05-07-2009, 03:37 PM

Shikhir A

05-07-2009, 03:42 PM

I think if I were the customer here, I'd be more than annoyed. I mean how could a designer have not caught 

Yep. There's no more explaining needed really..if Payton really purchased this design as he said he did, why the heck would he need to rip it :P?

Payton Designs

05-07-2009, 08:06 PM

Guys, like I said before, the design was purchased and parts were re-used. I notify all my clients if pieces of another design were used in my design process. There are many designs in my portfolio where the customer had asked it to be 100% custom and they were.

I give clients what they want... I see people around the web purchasing designs that 10+ other sites purchased and use it because they want it.

My number one priority is my clients. I put together everything in the design the way they want it and I do it in a legal manner.

Shikhir A

05-07-2009, 08:10 PM

Guys, like I said before, the design was purchased and parts were re-used.

How can you explain this; if you purchased it why do you need to:



I notify all my clients if pieces of another design were used in my design process.

Hah, not really, EarthVPS is my friend and he was pretty upset with your lack of communication. My friend was surprised his site was ripped (HostMiracle guy) and he was not told his pieces were being shared/used.

There are many designs in my portfolio where the customer had asked it to be 100% custom and they were.

Oh, yeah? Well, we can't 100% guarantee that now can we?

Clients want templates a certain way... I see people around the web using templates that 10+ other sites use and they don't care because they want it.

Hahahah that made me laugh. I'm imagining the owner of a large company..WiredTree...LiquidWeb.."Hey, nice design there. Let me rip it." >> it ruins professional outcome. That statement was "lame" right there as you almost proved it was a rip by saying no one cares if it is ripped.

I'm sure Spunkyasp (EarthVPS) cares. :rolleyes:

siforek

05-07-2009, 08:14 PM

Shikhir, there's no need to be rude. Payton can read and I'm sure he's well aware of the allegations. Anyone would be upset. I take special interest in this topic because I have had many people "try" to steal my work, and it's quite a frustrating process.

My only question to Payton is, why didn't you notice ""?

Spunkyasp

05-07-2009, 08:18 PM

How can you explain this; if you purchased it why do you need to:



Hah, not really, EarthVPS is my friend and he was pretty upset with your lack of communication. My friend was surprised his site was ripped (HostMiracle guy) and he was not told his pieces were being shared/used.

Oh, yeah? Well, we can't 100% guarantee that now can we?

Hahahah that made me laugh. I'm imagining the owner of a large company..WiredTree...LiquidWeb.."Hey, nice design there. Let me rip it." >> it ruins professional outcome. That statement was "lame" right there as you almost proved it was a rip by saying no one cares if it is ripped.

I'm sure Spunkyasp (EarthVPS) cares. :rolleyes:

I did not say I was unhappy with communication, I was just unhappy at first because PaytonDesigns was not on AIM. I thought they may have not started the design. However, I was wrong and they actually had started the design. I honestly do not mind. I asked for such a color scheme on my design and I am very happy with what I got. Since PaytonDesigns is the rightful owner of that part of the design, I have absolutely no problem with them using it. They had provided me with the best service all for $350.

Shikhir A

05-07-2009, 08:18 PM

Payton Designs

05-07-2009, 08:18 PM

Shikhir,

I don't understand why you are trying to make this situation more than what it is. If you are so confident your allegations are correct, then why do you continue to get your work done through Payton Designs? I completed a design for you that was 100% custom and unique just like you asked and you loved it. I provided you with all the .psd's so there is no way it could have been otherwise... Not to mention I gave it to you for an amazing price.

When I was referring to the fact that I see hosts using a design that is used everywhere, I was directing it toward template monster where you can purchase a design an infinite amount of times.

Payton Designs

05-07-2009, 08:23 PM

Guys, I have no problem with paying for things I want to use... I'm not broke, there is no need for me to steal something.

darkeden

05-07-2009, 08:25 PM

I don't think I'm rude. I state the truth. 99% of this forum does. I've spent over $500 with Payton so I don't want my work to be jacked too.

are you talking about your sarora hosting design? if so another company says they made it..

Shikhir A

05-07-2009, 08:31 PM

are you talking about your sarora hosting design? if so another company says they made it..

Lol, well, I don't own that design anymore anyways.

And Payton, I don't get any designs from you since this happened. Good luck though.

Payton Designs

05-07-2009, 08:34 PM

Lol, well, I don't own that design anymore anyways.

And Payton, I don't get any designs from you since this happened. Good luck though.

No offense taken... I don't need any luck. ;)

siforek

05-07-2009, 08:34 PM

I don't own that design anymore anyways.

Doesn't negate the question of whether you designed it or not..

I think this horse has been beat to death. The moral of the story is: Don't steal.

darkeden

05-07-2009, 08:37 PM

Lol, well, I don't own that design anymore anyways.

And Payton, I don't get any designs from you since this happened. Good luck though.

ok lol cause im geting confused now. http://harzemdesign.com/ says they made it. and like 3 other companys have said it also. seems like once a company closes that if its a decent design everyone says they made it XD

Shikhir A

05-07-2009, 08:39 PM

ok lol cause im geting confused now. http://harzemdesign.com/ says they made it. and like 3 other companys have said it also. seems like once a company closes that if its a decent design everyone says they made it XD

Harzem Design made my really old Sarora template, yes, and my Sarora V2 was made by Payton. Payton has nice design skills, but I was under the assumption he was ripping.

I'm leaving it at a neutral position.

~~

Payton Designs

05-07-2009, 08:39 PM

ok lol cause im geting confused now. http://harzemdesign.com/ says they made it. and like 3 other companys have said it also. seems like once a company closes that if its a decent design everyone says they made it XD

Hi,

Harzem designed the Sarora Hosting original design. We designed this one:

http://www.paytondesigns.com/images/portfolio/large/saroradesign.jpg

darkeden

05-07-2009, 08:44 PM

Hi,

Harzem designed the Sarora Hosting original design. We designed this one:

http://www.paytondesigns.com/images/portfolio/large/saroradesign.jpg

ok lol. I would still go with you guys even if you buy parts aslong as they look good lol.

nerdster

05-07-2009, 08:45 PM

ok lol cause im geting confused now. http://harzemdesign.com/ says they made it. and like 3 other companys have said it also. seems like once a company closes that if its a decent design everyone says they made it XD

xD now a days everyone claims they made the design if it looks great! lol

I think its becoming harder and harder to protect your designs.

Payton Designs

05-07-2009, 08:51 PM

ok lol. I would still go with you guys even if you buy parts aslong as they look good lol.

I appreciate your comment, but let me remind you that I do not use purchased parts in a lot of my designs, for example Sarora's design.

I'm a straight up guy... If a client isn't satisfied with work, I provide a refund or I will continue to work with them until they are completely happy. I offer to help people out with things and don't bother charging them for the work I put into it.

I have many clients throughout WHT and I can assure you they would gladly pitch in their two cents about me. I had many positive topics and posts regarding our services that I would love to show you, but most got lost in database hack.

Robert vd Boorn

05-07-2009, 09:09 PM

Just 1 small thing...
http://devify.com/images/logo.gif
http://www.sweetas.info/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/52-index-t1.jpg
The removale/use of that triangle should have been done a bit better...

Payton Designs

05-07-2009, 09:11 PM

Just 1 small thing...
http://devify.com/images/logo.gif
http://www.sweetas.info/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/52-index-t1.jpg
The removale/use of that triangle should have been done a bit better...

I agree, but what does this have to do with anything? I am in no way associated with any of those two designs.

Robert vd Boorn

05-07-2009, 09:14 PM

I know, after 5 posts it started to look too much like a 2-man chat so I just scrolled down to the links.

spokesman

05-16-2009, 09:24 PM

Outlaw Web Master

05-16-2009, 10:18 PM

and someone should stop you.

cool....take up web design.

templates are easily manipulated.

http://www.templateworld.com/zero/in_action/business_events/

there's a nice one for you to start on. ;)

if people are happy with payton's work then I suppose that's what counts.

owm

vito

05-16-2009, 10:43 PM

darkeden

05-16-2009, 10:48 PM

Outlaw Web Master

05-16-2009, 11:02 PM

Yet another classic WHT example of a reputable designer raked over the coals by bystanders.

Payton has long proven himself as a legitimate designer. Pity that a single thread can do such damage to his business.

Vito

I don't think it should effect his business.

Payton's work speaks for itself.

He's pretty talented.

Nevertheless, a classic example of WHT bystandermania, where the only talent they have is no talent at all. :D

owm

Alex - Fibervolt

07-22-2009, 12:36 AM

payton the design you mad for vpsnerds was a complete rip. he just left the hosting industry and really didnt feel like ruining your reputation. but now that u didnt learn ur lesson the first time i hope u learn this time. vpsnerds was a complete rip.. coding was exactly the same and so was most of the images.. you've became such a thief, and someone should stop you.

cool....take up web design.

templates are easily manipulated.

http://www.templateworld.com/zero/in_action/business_events/

there's a nice one for you to start on. ;)

if people are happy with payton's work then I suppose that's what counts.

owm

Does that site provide a spell check program? That would be great for spokesman :D

wb-Jay

07-22-2009, 12:48 AM

PaytonDesigns is a stand up firm and most importantly honest.

We contacted them for a Client Exec and Kayako integration and while there were some initial communication issues we got our Client Exec integration done as per our liking. They weren't able to do the Kayako integration and hence refunded that portion of the payment.

With that being said, I don't see anything wrong with PaytonDesigns using bits and pieces from other templates that they purchased and/or own as long as the client is aware of it, in this case they are...