Hello people....

After a little re-search on almost all the dedicated hosting industry.

I have chose ( unitedcolo.com ) beacuse they have 500 Gb more than RS and beacuse RS has a support it a behaver off a kid's ISP.

On the Mirc and etc, I think that Mirc it's not a classy support.

( When i enter there i ask on how much GB the 10 Mbps conection wold make per month and the first tech guy sayd caculate your self. than another told me... and from that point i think like than that much :)

Also they charge $1.50 per Gb and the $99 plan on united i pay $ 0.70 and on there best plan i wold pay $ 0.50 per Gb and on the other side RS charges the same $ 1.50 for all the plans.

The only plan i liked was the 10Mbps :)
But it's my way :)



Know i need to learn a little off Controls Panel and stuff.. If any body can give me pointers and stuff our just give me a Hi wold be great :)


Rafael Reese

Brasil - Sao Paulo --signing off--

Good luck! :D

Thanks !!!... :)


:D :) :cool: :bawling:

I wold like to ervy one to post any new CP ( control panel ) our what you guys think...

I'm think to use ensim...

beacuse it's cheap and good...any one to give a feedback ?

10mbit gives you 3.3TB a month estimate if you maxed it every single second of the day for a month. This is one way though. If you maxed both ways, that will be 6.6TB =) But in the hosting industry, download bw is almost unused.

'mirc' support? unitedcolo over rackshack? unitedcolo having good support? thanks for the laugh =]

rusko :::>
Sorry but i think if a company offers a support over the mirc it's kind'a bad beacuse the person will have to download, and if the person enters the mirc and see ervy one having a party there and etc... i think it's not a good image..


RS looks like a fun company...not a serius company but that is just my head :) ervy one can think what they wanna think :)


silversurfer :::>

Yea but the 10 Mb/s sounds good but let's think if you host 200 sites on the 10 MB/s and let's say they have 1 user one each site making a download you will get a 5 Kb/s transfer rate on each download :)


Than i say the ( unitedcolo ) they offer 3.000 Gb's for $ 300 and
$ 0.50 a Gb extra -- on there network, not a 10 MB/s cap :)

Get my point ?

Unitedcolo has rather good support IMO.

10mbit translates to about 1.25MB/s (Big MB there...) so with 200 users, you will get 6.25kb/s.

BUT... remember ;) ... when we are talking about intermitten usage, most host do not worry. The reason being the connection is perhaps about 3-5 seconds and the bandwidth is released. It will only be a problem if they are allowing huge downloads =). That's one of the reasons (among many) that most webhost have a fixed bandwidth with each package. But speed can be a concern as you mentioned. Buying a bigger but non-dedicated pipe may then work better for you as it can cope with spikes better.

3.3TB shared by 200 users is about 16.5gb each.

Unitedcolo has a 10mbit/s cap. I had a run-in with them because of that. Originally they promise me 100mbit/s and then they changed their minds retrospectively after I had signed up.

Unitedcolo support is prompt. You got to give them that. But I do hope with the promptness comes helpfulness....

Originally posted by silversurfer
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Unitedcolo has a 10mbit/s cap. I had a run-in with them because of that. Originally they promise me 100mbit/s and then they changed their minds retrospectively after I had signed up. [/B]

True, same here. Went for the 3000GB package, but cancelled as soon as I found out, though their Customer Service rep. guaranteed me a 10/100Mbps link before signing up.
Seems like person A at UnitedColo doesn't know what person B is doing.

Carl

They do know.... just that they had changed their minds later on. I started a thread on that somewhere. Search for unitedcolo and you should find it ;)

Yeah but analize this...

The 10 Mbps RS is $ 349 the celeron and the p4 i think it's $ 399
and the Gb over is $ 1.50

The Unitecolo the 10 Mbps is #300 and the Gb over is $ 0.50

The only package that is better is the 400 Gb that's on the 100 MB pipe but i wold like to try that pipe from a big conection to check if that is a 100 MB.

And the 400 Gb Rs offer is - 100 GB that united offers and 400 Mhz off less CPU :)

Celeron 1.7 (united) vs 1.3 (rs)



I have made my mind and the only thing left is for me go a head and break a leg...

Hhehe I will tell day by day if i get any problems... :)

Well thats great but Rackshack has an unmetered 10Mbit/s pipe so extra bandwidth costs mean absolutely nothing. I don't know why you would have said that??

Anyway, good luck at UC :D hope to hear back from you soon.

"unmetered 10Mbit/s"
Has a limit my friend :)

RS
10 Mb/s @ full use for 30 days = 3.250 Gb/s Our 3.26 Terabit's
For $399 That's on a :>
Compaq pentium 3 1.0 Gz - 512 Ram - 40 Gb
I think it comes it 2 ( our 8 ) Free IP and a max. off 32 IP's on a Red Hat 7.3

United

10 MB/s (cap) $ 300 for 3.000 Gb - 3.0 Terabits ( $ 0.50 extra Gb )
For $299 That's on a :>
Pentium 4 - 1 GB ECC DDRAM - IBM 100 GB 7.200 RPM
Free 10 Ip's and much more software install *Red Hat 8.0*



Now Do you get the picture ?

If you compare you will come to my side :)

Originally posted by hostingsp

Has a limit my friend :)

RS
10 Mb/s @ full use for 30 days = 3.250 Gb/s Our 3.26 Terabit's
For $399 That's on a :>
Compaq pentium 3 1.0 Gz - 512 Ram - 40 Gb
I think it comes it 2 ( our 8 ) Free IP and a max. off 32 IP's on a Red Hat 7.3

United

For $299 That's on a :>
Pentium 4 - 1 GB ECC DDRAM - IBM 100 GB 7.200 RPM
Free 10 Ip's and much more software install *Red Hat 8.0*



Now Do you get the picture ?

If you compare you will come to my side :)

Right, but take a look at the downtime history of both companies. If RS' Cogent link fails, you're BGP4'ed into the other GIGE's. If UnitedColo's link fails (or is being DDOS'ed), your box is down (happened more than once, lol).
It's not all money and Mhz that matters, uptime is the most important factor in this industry.

Carl

Yeap i will analize that it care it my servers there :)

I just din't like the RS support looks like a party room (mirc-forum),and mayble that's what made me look for others company i'm goin to try united and if it does not work ohhhh well :)

Just got a response from than from a email that i had seen like 30 minutes ago..

And i ask if the 3.000 Gb's server was 10mb capped too..

they told me yes but there are separeted bandwight you can buy :)
http://www.unitedcolo.com/bandwidth.htm

Originally posted by hostingsp
Yeap i will analize that it care it my servers there :)

I just din't like the RS support looks like a party room (mirc-forum),and mayble that's what made me look for others company i'm goin to try united and if it does not work ohhhh well :)

firstly, its called 'irc' ;). secondly, I have always received promt support from rackshack, the techs in the chat room are pretty good and help you out quite a bit. :)

RS 10mbit/s at 399 is on Cogent. and you can push only so much out of it. (~3.3TB). United is on Internap which really is a good connection if it stays the way it is now. (i.e. not oversold and saturated)

Originally posted by hostingsp
Yeap i will analize that it care it my servers there :)

I just din't like the RS support looks like a party room (mirc-forum),and mayble that's what made me look for others company i'm goin to try united and if it does not work ohhhh well :)

RackShack's IRC channels do indeed look like a big party sometimes, especially because a lot of newbies come in and ask questions like 'what is telnet ?'. That happens everywhere and not everyone is a Pro.
But if you have a major concern, RS will always have someone available to assist you right away, be it in IRC or on the phone.
I have dealt with UC before, and still need to see those immediate responses. And their 10Mbps stunt isn't the only thing I'm talking about. Other example : they advertise an 100 domains Ensim license on their site, but once our test-server there came online, no Ensim license anywhere, and no response to email requests about it. The server also came online 48 hours after the promised timeframe, etc etc etc.

Carl

Originally posted by silversurfer
RS 10mbit/s at 399 is on Cogent. and you can push only so much out of it. (~3.3TB). United is on Internap which really is a good connection if it stays the way it is now. (i.e. not oversold and saturated)

So you mean that you can push more on a UC 10Mbps server than on a RS 10Mbps ?? :eek:

We use Cogent since the very beginning, at different datacenters, and still have to experience the first negative consequence of that.
And no matter if your provider is called Cogent or Internap, if you saturate your upstream, your response gets slower. With their business plan, UC needs to oversell, as their bandwidth costs between $50-60 per Mbps in the best case. Just calculate for yourself. You lease a 10Mbps and use like 7Mbps on average. That will cost them $350+. Add hardware, support and infrastructure costs. How can you ever cover that ?

Ya. I know of those by bandwidth plans. The only thing interesting is that if you need a Gig-E, they can provide the same pricing as Cogent. I am still not sure how they can manage such pricing.

Mango: I had bad experiences. I am just making a statement of fact about the difference in connection. I know some swear by cogent, some swear by internap. I don't want to get drag into a war on that, since we all know that's Internet for you. It varies from people to people.

But generally from what I can see and from my personal experience, Internap is better than Cogent in terms of peering, and ping times. Why I won't dwell on that. We will just assume they are better.

From my experience, I can max UC 10mbps 24 hours a day at end. So, you can hit 3.3TB easily and albeit at higher the cost. But you do get better machines.

The points on its downtime at UC is valid though. The points on their trustworthiness is valid too. They have gone back on their words, changed terms retrospectively, and so on, all *without* informing clients. But I do take things objectively. If I am unhappy, I cancel the service. However if there's any good fit from request, I do share my experience. I don't get a cent whichever provider they choose ;)

RS 10mbit/s at 399 is on Cogent. and you can push only so much out of it. (~3.3TB). United is on Internap which really is a good


The big picture is this...
:cool: $299
p4 2.0 - 1 GB ram - 100 HD 7.200 - 3.000 Gb - MRTG RedHat8.0 -Free dns managment, FreeSetup,php,perl, ensim - and etc ( $ 0.50 xGb )
* ATENTION * In Stock: Yes :D
vs
:angry: $399
p3 1.0 - 512 Ram - 40 HD 5.400 - 3.250 Gb (10mb maxout) 2 IP's Free RedHat7.3 and Ensim
* ATENTION * In Stock: 0/No :bawling:

Hmmmm Wich will i pick ????

Good luck ;)

btw, the MRTG is a bitch... I know a lot of companies used it. But I find it hard as a user, to accurate guage how much bandwidth I had used, and how much is left.

MRGT is a nice grafic just to show off to the clients :)

:P

thanks mango :P

noooo!!! trust me, you dont want to show mrtg graphs to your clients lest you are willing to sepdn mucho time explaining how networks work =]

And use www.simplecp.com
It is free and I have installe dand tested it and it rocks. I even has some features that Plesk f.e. does not have (yet)

As part of my job i have to look at all the new companies that spring up and work out if we would every buy servers there, and if we would ever use those servers as production servers. At the moment unitedcolo is down as dont go near them for production servers, they also have a question mark with maybe grab a 49 bucks server or two for testing configs on. just like fdc servers used to have a note next to it saying maybe grab a fileserver box there. the criteria i use are,
Redundancy - how many links, how sophisticated a dc. RS have 6.2 gbps of diverse bandwidth. united colo last time i checked had serious problems keeping their network dos free and up. ok internap is better then cogent only but their network and datasuite isnt comparable to rackshacks own datacentre.
Company size - im the paranoid type, rackshack isnt going anywhere, they have buildings and staff and phone support, theyre big and backed by ev1 who are huge. i simply dont trust some newbie company with questionable herritage and a business plan that quite simply sounds like a lie. i may not have an MBA YET but sinking your cash into assets is one thing to increase capital expenditure but surely the last thing you could call servers is that, they depreciate so damn fast.
Server speed - so you are getting a celery 1.7 instead of a celery 1.3. its still a celery, get a p4 from rs for a bit extra. then youll have a decent server with 2000 mhz but speed isnt everything quality is.
Price - this is a tricky one, at the end of the day when your dealing with 3-500 gb a server, selling 1 gb - 10 gb accounts, bandwidth accounts for so little of your expenditure per account compared to say a domain name or support costs that a few extra cents a gb a month doesnt factor in to it. if your worried about the difference between 50 and 70 cents your running to close to the bone and you will get burned badly.

as for software
plesk - ill comment when i have plesk 5 running, not a bad cp, little clunky but i like it.
ensim - excellent in some aspects such as resellers and the virtual server style but appauling in other ways, subdomains could be easier as could db control and perl integration.
hpshere - not bad i like it so far, could do with a facility for setting windows file permissions.
cpanel - great for consumers, not as great as say plesk for admins. expensive as well. tends to have a lot of bugs.

now as for rackshack support, rs techs arent there to teach you basic maths, they are there to respond to customer help requests in an appropriate manner, the icq or mirc room is a bonus feature, they have telephone and trouble ticket support. this is great and what made me buy servers there when combined with everything else they have. I have confidence in rackshack i dont have with united colo yet.
I wish you the best of luck in your venture but please for your own sake take heed of the warnings people are giving you, theres more to a sucessful business plan then finding the lowest price per gb, if you need 3000 GB buy a few rs servers, youll stress a server using it to push 3000 GB a month of general hosting, a file server maybe but throw php and mysql at it and watch it cry. oh and have a think :) if rs are buying cogent (pretty much the cheapest bandwidth you can get) as 27 bucks a mbps and selling 10 mbps for 329 i think the ensim celeron was, and yet unitedcolo are selling nearly 10mbps of internap (more expensive then cogent by quite a bit) for less money what does that tell you? the answer should be that they are overselling drastically and youll get burnt. just a few friendly words from someone whose been in the fields in the line of fire for a while :)

I agree with you, Richy. Nice speech, btw :)
:agree:

thanks lol, sorry bout the length and lack of structure but i tend to have very little time to properly compose posts as im usually busy doing 30 things at once, so its a case of content over structure. plus i like to try and help out as ive revieved lots of help here.

Mango... you should learn to delete the previous post especially if you only got one sentence to say and the post you are replying to is so long :lol:

Ok'a man i guess unitedcolo while sell what they don't have...


I guess RS only sell's 10 MB/s beacuse they are the BIG company.


And i guess united sells backbone @ 20-50-100-500-1000 Mb/s

and company that sell's a pentium 3 1.0 Gz it a 3.250 Gbs babd (10mb) it's better than the one selling for $100 buck less 250 Gb/s less..

But it more CPU, More HD, More Ram, More choice...

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I have stameint a bunch off things why to get united... but if you can't see.. Ok :)

lolol nope im not a kiss ass for rs. ive just got a hell of a lot more experience and i know that rs is a better choice then united colo, anyone able to work the search button will find out why united colo is a nightmare. ive tried plenty of companies, dv2, fastservers, and we have servers at other providers then rs, inflow for instance.
im just very strict about which suppliers we have production servers with, and united colo simply doesnt make the grade because their network is inferior, their servers are underpowered comparatively, and theyre selling at below cost in the hope that people wont use them. if every single server at rs used all its bandwidth 100% of the time then rs would need at least 4 new gig e's. cost from cogent under 100k a month, i bet headsurfer wouldnt like paying that but theyd probably drop the time warner gig e and get an extra cogent one and it would cost the same. they can offer what they offer at that price and not go bust. united colo is a nightmare waiting to happen. look at FDC, cheapo provider, doesnt have the manpower to fulfil their obligations to their upstream and gets their pipe pulled.
now i was trying to offer the benefit of my hard earned experience , you can choose to take it into account or insult me, your choice and your loss.

Originally posted by hostingsp
I guess RS only sell's 10 MB/s beacuse they are the BIG company.
And i guess united sells backbone @ 20-50-100-500-1000 Mb/s
and company that sell's a pentium 3 1.0 Gz it a 3.250 Gbs babd (10mb) it's better than the one selling for $100 buck less 250 Gb/s less..
But it more CPU, More HD, More Ram, More choice...

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I have stameint a bunch off things why to get united... but if you can't see.. Ok :)

Hmmmm... I would be careful about what I say in here. Some people do have experience in this business for years, and judge by their experience, not by numbers they see on a site.
No offence, but when you say that one 10Mbps can deliver 3250GB and another one 3000GB, I have my doubts... Unmetered 10Mbps means that you can constantly push at 10megabits per second, but are capped at that speed. So you will never reach 3000, not even 2300GB per month, unless you want to have real business damage by saturating your link (theorethically EVERY 10Mbps link can push around 3300GB per month, but one must be better than David Copperfield to accomplish that without any downsides). And 10Mbps may be a nice number, but if your uplink (the circuit) is really saturated, you won't even push half of it.

Compare, learn, look around. I hope all goes well for you, but please don't say things like "I think you are a kiss ass for RS"... This business is all about experience, and like I said before, some people in here are experienced. Some are sysadmins, others are network engineers, others run big hosting-businesses. And that's not a one-day operation.

Carl

united colo is pretty lame..in this business you get *generally* exactly what you pay for! rs is the way to go...anyways your lose..

a 10 mbps link will push 3373.056 GB of raw data per month which equates to about 28-2900 GB of actual data when system overheads are taken into account. Your link is capped though, so if you sold all that bandwidth your sites wouldnt work half the time because for the peak half of the day you would be saturating your link, data traffic peaks normally at 250% of its average from my experience with normal hosting, which means you would be able to sell about 4 mbps or 1200 GB of hosting before your line is saturated at peak times. personally i wouldnt get into unmetered lines per server unless you know exactly what your buying and why, a 10mbps line is one thing when your coloing a few servers in your own rack and a different thing entirely for a single server. that sort of server is for game servers or file servers or people who just dont want to worry about overages. you mention the price of overages on the united colo server , youll never pay any so whats the point? united colo cap their servers at 10mbps and 3000gb is about 9.6 mbps so its a waste of space, 3000gb on a 100mbps port is entirely different.
we are genuinely trying to help you lol, there are people here with a lot more experience and knowlede then myself that have said exactly the same thing. these guys run companies that make mine look like a market stall, we know what we are talking about :)

Wise words again, Richy.

Just wanted to add my personal experience with 10Mbps unmetered boxes and their actual capacity. We have around 5 at RS, and a couple more at other companies. We really need to limit them to 1200-1500GB/month indeed, otherwise they *do* run into trouble. Nothing is as unpredictable as traffic patterns...
I just checked the stats and this is what each one of those boxes has pushed throughout October (GB's) :
1184.369
1402.051
943.761
1349.944
1281.917
1302.843
1012.391
1076.830

So far for the 10Mbps boxes :)

Cheers,
Carl

Mayble you are right ricky since i'm new...i'm goin to ask a perdon.....



Mayble you are right...

I'm goin to re-consider...the dedicated host.

The only problem i have it the rs is it there support :)

Irc and forum ....does not show a good image ( to me )

Im going to be blunt [removed] Dont you realise that they do also have phone support and that they are FAR supperior than UC? If you are so set on UC, why post about your choice. Believe it or not, some (most) of the people here no a hell of a lot more about this sort of thing than you, open your ears when they try and help you.

There's no need to get insulting here. Advice was given, rightly or wrongly, we leave it as that. Let the guy makes his own decisions based on the facts given and experiences recounted.

hostingsp,

i and many others just love irc support. i would pick a company with irc support (in addition to phone, ticket and email, such as rs) over one with no irc support.

good luck,
paul

Now i'm confused ....

Goin to analize a little more

I must ask hostingsp, how long have you been in the hosting business?? 2 days??

You can't judge a company let alone bash a company until you have used them. We've given our opinions based on real experiences not superficial reasons. You wanna argue with Rackshack (I don't know if this is true) the largest hosting company in the world. They do 1000 servers per month. Look at UC - they just came on the dedicated server scene. I don't know about you but I like to know that a company has experience in the business. Do you think rs would be around if they didn't provide decent support to their customers. Why do they sell 1000 servers per month?? Consistently I might add. Before you go bashing other companies based on really stupid reasons I suggest you do your homework, do a little forum searching, you'll find the right answer eventually. Quite frankly I think I speak for most people in saying we don't care what provider you go with. It makes no difference to us. What matters is that we know the experience you've had with the company you chose when you have used them, not when you've based your conclusion on something like having IRC support. I've never heard something so ludicrous. Try a company out before you give your opinion, or you'll be reemed out of WHT for good by people who respect the 'unwritten code' around here. (no pun intended)

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I saw unitedcolo i liked if i crash it's my problem..

If i earn more money than you it's your problem..

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I'm giving my opnion here just beacuse you are out there on the dedicated biz than me does not make a diference...

Beacuse i searched and searched the net like crazy ass for a good dedicated..

I know all the good hosting company's but not all the dedicated but i know how to sense a good think...

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rackshack offer telephone support, rackshack also offer helpdesk \ trouble ticket support, not just forums and irc.
as for money etc, whne your buying at the budget end of the market, the actual cost of the server isnt the major cost of the hosting, so buying a slightly more expensive server doesnt cost you much more money, its support costs, e.g. paying yourself and other staff for the time it takes to answer trouble tickets and emails and setup accounts etc.
we're only trying to help you understand whats important when buying a dedicated server. the most important thing isnt the most GB per $. the quality of the compant is a hard thing to measure and attach a value to but its one of the most important things to consider.

if you have any questions that would help you pick a server vendor then please ask.

also one point i think you might be better off considering, you said about 3000 gb transfer for 300 ish dollars. one piece of advice is that you would be far better off with 3 servers for the same money then the one server, servers can only push so much data before the cpu hits 100%, these days im seeing more and more dynamic sites which use an awful lotof cpu power compared to the old static html type. more servers = more cpu to spread the load over. just another pointto consider :)

Originally posted by hostingsp
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I saw unitedcolo i liked if i crash it's my problem..

If i earn more money than you it's your problem..

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I'm giving my opnion here just beacuse you are out there on the dedicated biz than me does not make a diference...

Beacuse i searched and searched the net like crazy ass for a good dedicated..

I know all the good hosting company's but not all the dedicated but i know how to sense a good think...

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Why such vulgar language? Dirty?? I'm sure my language was pretty clean....You're the potty mouth:D

Yes it does matter that I and many people around here have been in hosting longer than you have, it's called experience and you don't have any in this business yet. Instead you think you can "sense" a good hosting company?? Give me a break....

I could care less how much money you make - what matters around here is the experience that you have had with a host so that you may enlighten us about their service, whether it has been good or bad. Experienced opinions are taken at face value, inexperienced opinions are just useless drivvel in this forum. Be patient, you too will soon know the ways of the forum. :D

I'm not tryin to pick a fight here i'm just saying people here at WHT don't care whatsoever why you have gone with one company over another when you haven't used them yet. Come back in 1 month and then give your verdict as to why you chose who you did. Don't post your negative comments about a company when you have not used them yet. That is the cardinal sin that you have committed here and that is why you have received such negative feedback.

Err... must be just me... but I thought I used a ticket system to get support from Rackshack last time. Or you can use the phone, irc chat room or the forum. They don't have to provide 4 methods of receiving support. Did you also realise that Rackshack also host these forums... ?

You were told this on the first page of this thread if you had bothered to read what people were saying to you. You seem to have made your mind up anyway on what company your going with as most of this thread has been you trying to convince us that unitedcolo is the better choice. Fine go with them if you believe they are the better choice... but if you do have a problem with them in the future and you decide to post (to a Rackshack hosted forum!) about it here. I believe the response would be... "told you so"

You came here asking for advice... but you don't seem to want to listen to it!

Let's keep the langauge toned down just a tad, or the thread will be locked.

Yeah Chicken...

This guy realy piss me off man... I was here just discusion it ricky and some others guys the best hosting.. a friendly discutsion.


and this guy comes and say's his is the hot shot and i'm the sh*t ?

I think the guy din't have to post anything here...if he was locking for a fight.

I can be a new guy on hosting but when some says that's better i'm goin to say but hey the others guy has more hard. and band. stuff..I think they are better..



OOhhh well....not goin to discus. any more about RS vs United beacuse the guys that's that to his side and that's not what is about...

I have to thank ricky - JonB - Mango - Silversurf - and some other people beacuse they can discuse and talk about host. civili. way.


:bawling: :mad: :( :eek:

best of luck to you, there are plenty of server providers about who offer servers in the price range you require, you can afford to be picky about other things such as company size, support etc, also search these forums and ask for opinions :) sometimes things can be too cheap though.

Ricky what you advise me ? I thing that extra hard. and band. from united is something to me..

Beacuse ricky here in Brasil if i get a server for $ 100 it's goin to be like $ 400 on local currency.. :( The min. salary here it's $ 200 i just thing for me to get any server i have to get the best one but that will provide it..


I think united will provide a good services beacuse they are routed it serverals provider and from what i hear and know Internap it's a top provider there.
We use a variety of provider -- including PAIX, Internap, AboveNet, Williams, and HE. --|--
*Customer Support Team United Colocation Group*


Thanks for all the impunt's ricky

ahh, internap is a pretty good provider, another factor you need to consider is something called over subscription, a company buys 100 servers, and sells them with 100 gb of bandwidth each. the company would need to provide 10000GB of bandwidth then, but the company knows that not everyone will use all that bandwidth they have bought, so they only buying half the amount they need. for a while everything looks good then people start to use more and sites stop being accessible or load slowly because the companies pipe is maxed out. whilst internap is good 10mbps of internap cannot be bought and sold at 300 bucks for a proffit.
now you mention cost is an important consideration for you, i understand you want to get the best you can for your money but you have to be careful, if you spend 50 dollars on a server with a bad company then you havent saved 50 dollars by not buying a 100 dollar server, you just wasted 50 dollars on a bad server.
have you considered a reseller account to start with? you could get one a lot cheaper then a server, but the price per gb would be higher. the upside is you get a gentle start at becoming a host and dont have to invest lots of money. theres some very cheap offers ive seen for resellers in the offers forum. you also dont have the stress of managing a server. united colo may turn into a very good provider, at the moment they have problems although they do appear to be fixing them slowly.
you also have to think carefully about what you mean by best server, a faster cpu is a good thing, but is a better data centre more important than a faster cpu? these are questions with no real fixed answer, it depends on what your priorities are, but the better the company is the less stress you will have. fastservers are a good company, webreseller are pretty good. dv2 are ok (in my humble opinion lol its just a gut feeling they arent quite as good as rs , sometimes instinct is good sometimes it isnt).
buying this server and starting your company is a complicated and important task, take your time :) look around at all the servers, and dont just go for the fastest cpu for lowest money.
good luck

Originally posted by hostingsp
Yeah Chicken...

This guy realy piss me off man... I was here just discusion it ricky and some others guys the best hosting.. a friendly discutsion.


and this guy comes and say's his is the hot shot and i'm the sh*t ?

I think the guy din't have to post anything here...if he was locking for a fight.

I can be a new guy on hosting but when some says that's better i'm goin to say but hey the others guy has more hard. and band. stuff..I think they are better..



OOhhh well....not goin to discus. any more about RS vs United beacuse the guys that's that to his side and that's not what is about...

I have to thank ricky - JonB - Mango - Silversurf - and some other people beacuse they can discuse and talk about host. civili. way.


:bawling: :mad: :( :eek:

I think he was talking about your language. :D

But anyway let bygons be bygons. To keep this thread on the straight and narrow, my advice to you hostingsp is to consider everything from bandwidth - to price - to customer service before signing up with a provider. A cheap price may seem more enticing to you than it would to me and thats fine we all have our standards. From my own experience the level of support and customer service given is what I am after, next comes price. I do wish you good luck with UC, and in 1 month you can give us your experience. ;)

Ricky,


I guess geting a reseeller it's out off the ideia beacuse if i get good here in Brasil i will have to move than all... And when i'm getting i'm goin to trust the other person it there ideias and there mind.

My ideia is less person in the way off you and the NET (backbone) less are your problems..Don't you think ?

Do you think the united backbone it's over saled that much ??

A while back i was goin to try leaving a ping goin for a day true united to test there ping average. But i can't ping the thing :(

hostingsp, I was the one that reported your post. Be nice! :D

**and in 1 month you can give us your experience.**


I will gross my fingers :D:stickout:

I wold like to apolized to you man mayble i good i little work up it you sorry :) - :(

your right that your own server is a lot better long term. you make more money, have more control etc. there arent less problems there are just different problems :)
personally i do think that united colo do not expect you to use all that bandwidth for that price, its fairly common for providers not to have enough bandwidth to honour their obligations, but the thing to look at is could they afford to do it if they had too. could united colo afford to give everybody the bandwidth they ordered without going bust? i doubt it, could rackshack yes, could fdc, no , could fastservers maybe, probably.
also the cheaper you get the server and the higher the spec of the server then the less money will be spent on staff and facilities by your provider. which means you get a poor service in some cases. if you can only afford a certain amount and you have to go with a certain provider, then at least do so in the knowledge that you will have certain problems and try and work around them. united colo may turn into a great company and i hope they do :) but they have had problems so far. if they fix them i will have a box there, and if im happy after 6 months i might even put customers on it. companies can change and get better, but you have to remember their past problems.

Hey, no problem hostingsp ;) :beer:

no problem hostingsp

I wanted to get the $50 box to get a gripe on there service... ?


Party Time !!!! :homer: Uhhhhh :smash: Hello... come to the party people :wavey: hhehehe

Hello mister :alien:
:nuts:
Let's smoke :smokin: :pimp: UHhhhh

:laugh:
:laugh:

that might be a very good idea. if they release it again. it would let you test out their support and network and get you used to admining one of their servers.

That's was what i was thinking... but i need to see diferent things like chosing CP beacuse one good thing is that united let's and does not install any one for the CP's ( $49-$99 ).


I need to see if i will have a better break time it linux our FreeBsd.

I whold love to have the icq of some guys that has talk to me about this fell free to send true my email our just post it on this threat...





;)

I Have decided where the ISP it's goin to be

:D :D :D :D :D

I will post in some days my expirence...

I personally was surprised by the RS IRC Channel. In my line of business I have found you can actually provide better tech support there because you can create an environment where people want to hang out and help others, and etc..


What turned me off by the RS is there hardware Selection. Was looking at a P4 1.7GHZ with 512MB SDRAM (who works with SDRAM anyways) 40GB hard drive with RH 7.2 and thats it for 120 bucks and 400GB bandwidth

With another company I was looking at P4 1.7 GHZ 512MB DDR ram 60GB hard drive 30 domain Plesk License with unmetered bandwidth. Now maybe in the Long run RS is better with their smaller hard drives and their 512MB of ram that maxed out to 512MB and couldnt go to 1GB but honestly I liked the latter companies method of Configuring a server and the better choice of hardware.

Granted their $1 setup fee was nice but when you are paying $20 - 50$ extra a month you have chewed up the -98 dollar setup fee in about 2 - 3 months

Yeah.... RS is offering a outdate plains...

They shold update there Traffic ( Like 500 Gb our 550 GB ) and there linux :P and add some more features to the server..

but ervy one has there problem :)

lol theyre not exactly outdated, just because they dont offer the highest amount of bandwidth:)

LOL :emlaugh:

Chicken has murdered people's posts throughout this thread.

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:emlaugh: :laugh: :emlaugh:

That's all.. Good luck with your server.

lol theyre not exactly outdated


Hehehe 40 Gb Hd's and 400 Gb and red hat 7.2 :dunce:

DD-SNC
Thanks :)

Originally posted by hostingsp



Hehehe 40 Gb Hd's and 400 Gb and red hat 7.2 :dunce:

DD-SNC
Thanks :)

Hmmm... no offence, but let's talk again in a couple of months.
One of the worst things you can do is only look at the numbers and price, but again, does experience matter ?

Carl

To be frank, if you want utmost uptime (like 100% =p) Unitedcolo won't make it. But if you can accept a few minutes now and then, there's no doubt they are value for money. I have a box with them, a few gripes, but generally, for that price, they aren't that bad.

"You pay for what you get"... if you know exactly what your getting for that price then go for it.

actually its 80gb hdds :) and id far rather have a stable release like radhat 7.2 then an unstable and relatively untested 8.0. in hosting you dont push new os's onto production servers the minute they come out.

What about Red hat 7.3 ?

Much better than 7.2

depends if the control panel is certified to work with it, and upgrading it yourself is relatively easy.

Yeah but it's buring :D hehe...


Hey rick do you host it ucg our rs ?

few servers at rs, few elsewhere, few test servers on and off at places. if ucg do more 49bucks servers ill grab one to play with maybe, monitor their performance , play about with cpanel or something. theyre just not good enough for commercial hosting right now.

I kind'a heard when the $50 boxes are coming :) but i will not say here in the forum mayble over the icq 21717908 but just for you :)


:beer: :D :beer:

lol thanks but its not a great priority for me right now. i dont intend to use them in the close future for anything other then playing about.

Hmmm.. roger that :P