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Unfortunately search does not seem to work here anymore, but I tried to check some latest messages manually and haven't seen Kikko's name.

Kikko Networks came up with $100 a month dedicated server plan with “unlimited” bandwidth if you pay for 1 year in advance ($150 a month if you pay quarterly). Well, we all know there is no such thing as unlimited bandwidth and I wrote them a letter to figure out what is the real limitation. I got an answer in less than 90 minutes (and it's Easter holiday!) from a person called Al who basically confirmed that claim and also stated that most of Kikko's clients use < 600GB/month.

Even if it is only 600GB/mo. and not unlimited it is still pretty good for $100.

If anyone had experience with Kikko please suggest where is the catch.

i just have this to say,
UNLIMITED DOESNT EXIST!!!!
simple as that.

So can you really get 600 GB for $150?

Kikko says 'yes', but I guess I wait until someone with such bandwidth requirement signs up and tells us afterwards if this works. I am pretty happy with RackShack so far and it will be long before I exhaust their 150 GB/mo. limit, so I won't change my ISP yet.

Originally posted by dabystru
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I got an answer in less than 90 minutes (and it's Easter holiday!) from a person called Al who basically confirmed that claim and also stated that most of Kikko's clients use < 600GB/month.

Are you sure he doesn't mean 600 megabytes? There is no way a company would be in business very long selling data transfer at 17 cents a gigabyte.

Yesterday I sent 5 and received 6 e-mails from sales@kikko.com (I still could not believe it) - and we were talking GB/mo. and Mbit/sec. Kikko suggested that Yahoo uses only 3 Mbit/sec on average (?) and they host sites with similar traffic requirements. I pointed them to WHT and I assume they will show up here. As I said I'll wait - if this is real deal, we will see everyone switching to Kikko and posting good things in this forum, if not - we will hear a lot of shouting towards Kikko.

I just checked their website and their site loads pretty fast! Also their packages seem to be very good and very cheap. One thing comes to mind though, "If something seem to good to be true, IT USUALLY IS!".

And as some of you probably know I am very unhappy with my dedicated with 4webspace and am looking for a new webhost. Although I don't know if I dare to try the unknown.


Saeed

This sounds WAAAAY too good to be true. Other things that cry 'beware':

No apparent price difference wheter you run 2000 or linux/freebsd.

You get to choose between mySQL and Oracle database servers ? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't oracle like really expensive ?

And all that for a mere 100$/month ?

Kikko suggested that Yahoo uses only 3 Mbit/sec on average (?)

Ha Ha Ha!!! :)

Yahoo! uses hundreds of servers and the content is distributed from various data centers across the global depending on your location and availability, each data center is likely to be pushing at least 300mbs per second.

MattF: Do you know more details about the technologies Yahoo is using? Sounds interesting...

Originally posted by dabystru
Kikko suggested that Yahoo uses only 3 Mbit/sec on average (?) and they host sites with similar traffic requirements.

Wow... it's sad how You and Kikko's sales/tech are both clueless about this! Do you know how very little 3 Mbps is?

Also, didn't you say yesterday (and I saw it on you web page) that kikko has 11 Mbps connnectivity?

cheers,
:beer:

Originally posted by dektong
it's sad how You and Kikko's sales/tech are both clueless about this! Do you know how very little 3 Mbps is?

That's why I put questionmark! But maybe I mislead you somehow, here is the original quote from Kikko:

"YAHOO INTERNET LIFE DOES 3mbs/sec a month"

I am not sure what is Yahoo Internet Life? BTW, it was a sales guy, not a tech guy.

Originally posted by dektong
Also, didn't you say yesterday (and I saw it on you web page) that kikko has 11 Mbps connnectivity?

I incorrectly interpreted what they said in e-mail. So I edited this out both here and on my site. On their web site it says that they have "multiple OC-3/OC-12/OC-48" connections to Internet.

I was talking to Kikko about getting Cobalt RaQ 4i with 512 MB RAM for $250/mo with "unlimited" bandwidth. If I'll be the first to buy one, you see my posts here. But since I am not in hurry I am waiting for someone else to try.

Originally posted by kunal
i just have this to say,
UNLIMITED DOESNT EXIST!!!!
simple as that.
You were right. It says now on their website 300GB/mo. instead of unlimited (with $100-$150 plan).

Still not bad at all, but 3 days ago it was "unlimited". I wonder what it will be in 3 days from now?

It'll probably get lower.... but if it stays over 10gb it's still a decent deal... I did do a traceroute and they were connected via Globix....

If they say they own their own NOC and and say they have that much connectivity coming in their flat out lying, id put our entire business on it. That much connectivity with just one line of each would run 100,000.00 a day and with multiple lines your looking at millions of dollars a month for that much connectivity. And no ones ever heard of them.

Their colocating somewhere.

Im gald to see they at least changed the unlimited...

I just wanna say , we bought 1500Gb/m at Kikko...

Boger: How much did you pay? And we would be interested in knowing the address of your site, as well as any experiences you can share with us, so that we can determine how good Kikko is.

I just wanna say I bought 10,000gigs from ***** NO!!! you can have my address.... :)

I might sign up with them for a shared server with 50GB/month. My site is on average 0.01 (on RaQ3) and uses about 30GB/month. I could save $80/month if I sign up with Kikko.com! Worth a try?

Looks like they have the unlimited back when you click on the pent servers...

Originally posted by dabystru


That's why I put questionmark! But maybe I mislead you somehow, here is the original quote from Kikko:

"YAHOO INTERNET LIFE DOES 3mbs/sec a month"

I am not sure what is Yahoo Internet Life? BTW, it was a sales guy, not a tech guy.
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http://www.yil.com

I spoke to one of their sales rep. He told me I can use up to 600 GB but not from one server!!! I dont know what they mean by that!
600 GB is way too much for $150. (raq4) I will be happy with 150GB

He might be referring to the fact that a single server does not nominally have enough CPU/memory resources to output 600 GB a month.

Well, it might not be able to with Apache, but if you used a lightweight select-based web server like thttpd or Boa, it can.

I think someone else mentioned in another thread that their ping times are not the best? It may not be that much of a problem. It would make working in the shell a pain, but as long as the throughput is okay, the site will not appear slow through the web browser. (Has anyone tested their throughput, i.e. how fast can you download off of them?)

We are using ***** service and their line spped, very fast.

The following link is the speed test:
http://www.efree2net.com/getDetail.cfm?detail=14

I remember them way back when their site was barely developed and talked to few of them myself. I talked to a guy in particular where I was about to buy a Win2K server for about 150/month and added extra unlimited traffic. He said he did not have anyone that went out of whack on their side to put a restrain.

He also gave me a good deal because one of the workers there were from Europe and basically same country as one of my workers/co-workers.

I kinda lost the interested cuz we are in California, they changed the site, prices went up... not too faund of NT hosting and all the admin. I decided to go with a COBALT local by VitalStreams.com that have 3 major back bone supports in case 1 goes down the 2nd picks up and so forth.

Bummer my deal did not go well with serverrack.net because I was about to buy a dedicated tonight but their site is crashing on the payment via Amex, I try to contact I get 404, I call their number and it's a different company name than serverrack.net... and so on..

I am about to freaking give up buy a Cobalt Raq 4r for $750 from my connections and host it @ www.vitalstreams.com where they are local to us for $150.month but I don't get enough GB transfer and IPs? I think.

Any suggestions? ServerShack and Serverrack.net did not go that well I guess...

They used the Yahoo line on you too eh? They just buy racks in other datacenters and resell the slots one by one. I got on one of the 'unlimited' deals on globix. It's been down since noon (3 hours and counting) this is a regular thing for them. I emailed their sos@ address with no responce. Tried calling the two phone numbers and it 'couldn't locate the nextel customer'. I'm not impressed. Also their ubersmith billing database says I own two machines. Should be interesting to sort this snafoo out come billing time. Especially if I can never get a reply out of them. *sigh* but the connection is fast when it is up. I guess you get what you pay for.

Originally posted by bobbyt
They used the Yahoo line on you too eh? They just buy racks in other datacenters and resell the slots one by one. I got on one of the 'unlimited' deals on globix. It's been down since noon (3 hours and counting) this is a regular thing for them. I emailed their sos@ address with no responce. Tried calling the two phone numbers and it 'couldn't locate the nextel customer'. I'm not impressed. Also their ubersmith billing database says I own two machines. Should be interesting to sort this snafoo out come billing time. Especially if I can never get a reply out of them. *sigh* but the connection is fast when it is up. I guess you get what you pay for.

Join the club heh? I did not got with them. Couldn't afford and cannot afford them. I am using serverrack.net right now and I am still struggling with setup. I crashed their DNS servers with my unknowning settings I was doing on my raq and re-routed all their traffic from site to mine. :D Don't ask me how I did it cuz I have no clue. I posted something earlier on it.

Hmmm.. My todos, read the DNS and BIND this weekend, pull out the redhat manual, read entire cobalt forum here and see what I find. I emailed some guy to help out with my settings only and I was gonna pay or exchange some services but no luck so far (2 days). I want a pro to go in there and if settings are correct than it's my datacenter and not me. Than I can stop pulling hair out.

Although they did give me an awesome deal upgraded RAM, low setup fee, always there when you need them and I feel like I am invading their tech time if I was to ask for help.

y is the host name censored?

My sites were down for 3 days while they moved my machine to a new colo. "oh didn't you get our message?" I went from getting 350+k a sec off it to 2k-12k(max). garbage. *looks over the 1 cobalt left at rackshack*

I have bought one dedicated server last Monday from them, now, almost 2 weeks already, still can not get my server up, So upset.

Now, looking for other company and hope ***** will refund my money.

I don't want to tell you guys something good or bad about *****, just look at one of my client's site, you'll know the answer, he only took less then 200G within a month.
http://www.hung-ya.com/


Other story is that I took an order for a dedicated ,then they hold the money for 2 months still not setup yet.

I have closed all my accounts with *****.

Stay the f*ck away from k i k k o. They ripped me off for $80 for a hosting account that was down for about a week (I was emailing them every day without any answers), so I cancelled it and they simply said: no refunds!!! I lost $40 setup and $40 for the first month. I also just received an invoice of them that suggested they had not cancelled my account and are gearing up to charge my credit card for another month of hosting. I've emailed them and told them if I see their name on my next credit card statement, I'll do one hell of a chargeback on their asses for the full $120.

Also: yes, they reply fast to emails, as long as you haven't payed them yet. As soon as I'd payed my setup fee and first month of hosting, it starting taking 24 hours, then 48 hours and in the end 6 days before I received answers to any questions I asked them.

I have to agree with Tazzman - when I first signed up with K I K K O they responded to all my mails very proefessionally and within minutes.

But as soon as they had my money they just plain stopped answering support emails.

I had a server monitor script checking my site every 30 mins (I know its not the most scientific method but its an indication at the very least). Regularily I would log on in the morning and discover that the site had been unavailable for hours overnight. It started costing me money as members were cancelling and issuing chargebacks. My site was down at least 3 - 4 times a week and normally for at least 4 - 6 hours at a time. When I mailed support they took days to respond and when they did respond all they could say is "well, its working now...." - DUH!!! Of course it is, I mailed them 3 days before hand.

They are still sending me mails telling me my account is overdue even though I cancelled months ago but they can whistle for it. I have warned them that if they so much as take 1 cent from my credit card I will screw them into the ground.

Avoid them like the plague - yes they are cheap but you get EXACTLY what you pay for with these guys.

Jason

Glad I didn't signup back then. My indication that they wouldn't be for me was when he told me that overage bandwidth would be $3/GB on their 300GB/$79 virtual plan.

Originally posted by dabystru

I was talking to Kikko about getting Cobalt RaQ 4i with 512 MB RAM for $250/mo with "unlimited" bandwidth. If I'll be the first to buy one, you see my posts here. But since I am not in hurry I am waiting for someone else to try.

We started out with RaQ's and have since gone to custom FreeBSD boxes. We first used host2own.com for our first set of cobalts. I think it was 150/month for the box and $100/month per 100GBytes (minimum 100). They may have a setup fee. Their support guys are awsome and have been able to answer just about any question I call in with, even if it was "Who won the footbal game last night". If you are looking to put your own box in a server farm check them out, they are basically host2own.com, cari.net and sdcolo.com. (all are in same building)

Never ever ever ... ever ever sign up with someone advertising unlimited bandwidth. They have a limit on how much bandwidth they can push, and they are probably going to fill it to the brink and make a fortune on selling the customers to a 'real' hosting company.

K I K I K O .com have charge me USD 400.00 and did not give me the dedicated server, very disappointment.

I have call them and send a lot of emails, never get reply.

Now, don't know how???

:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

Skywalker, I would advise you to contact your credit card company (if you payed by credit card) and request a chargeback. In your case it is fully justified as you paid for services and never received them. On top of that you could file some fraud complaints about k i k k o with the IFCC (http://www.ifccfbi.gov) and the BBB and there are more organisations like these to report internet fraud etc. I let it go with my k i k k o adventure as I was just glad to ditch them, but if they do charge my credit card for even one cent more now, I will give them the full load, I'll do anything a can to get them up to their neck in sh*t.

Thank you very much, Tazzman.

We have contact our Credit Card Company, But them ask us deal with merchant, them can not do anything.

Currently, we are request refund from K i K K O, Hope them will refund our money. Otherwise, We will complaint them using Internet Fraud Complaint Center (IFCC) or other agencies.

I can't believe your credit card wouldn't stand up for you. Time for a new credit card. You pay them enough in interest that they almost always will stand up for the customer, especially if the service was simply not delivered at all.

Forget my comment :)

Originally posted by Intelligent Hosting

Are you sure he doesn't mean 600 megabytes? There is no way a company would be in business very long selling data transfer at 17 cents a gigabyte.
You are wrong there, FDCservers are doing servers with unmetered bandwidth for $99/month and well even dabystru rolls out the bandwidth (he got 1500GB last time I checked) and they're doing really good business

lol this is diggin it up from the past aint it :)

fdc are pure cogent and dont have a state or the art data centre. more then a year has passed since the start of this thread :) times and prices change.

actually i was using their service few months ago
all i have to say is that kikko is SUX

i was hosting a virtual server on kikko,the speed is very slow
totally different from teir site....

i dont know if there is any difference between dedlicated and virtual server..

Ive heard yahoo uses bout 4 gigs per sec. Sounds resonable to me. lol kikko fed u a bunch of crap i use 3 a mpbs connect for my gaming servers. hhmmm maybe i should start hosting yahoo.. according to them. Well I've probly just made myself look extremely stupid, But oh well.:D