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echoweb
04-14-2001, 10:05 PM
Greetings all,

Recently, our programmers wrote an automation sign up script for our own web hosting company (HostVelocity.com) which proved to considerably save time in creating accounts, sending a confirmation eMail, and adding the client into a customer base process.

It's written completely in PHP and works with any host OR reseller that uses WebHost Manager. Basically, here's exactly how it functions:

The visitor goes to order page and enters his account information. The script checks all fields and make sure that the format is correct. Then it checks the payment type and plans and offers different payment links/options to the visitor. At the mean time, the script adds the user's information into the "pending" database that's located in your account.

When the client pays, you can go to administration menu and view the list of pending accounts. Then you can select the client whose account you wish to create and press on "approve". The (1) user's account will be created and (2) the script will send a confirmation email with his information to the user. Finally, the (3) client's information is being placed in a small text database that you can use for reference in the future.

The script doesn't has billing capabilities, therefore it's not 100% automated, but it really cuts down th time you spend on creating an account to 20 seconds or even less (depending on how fast you can click on "approve) per account and it's a lot safer than a script that does have billing capabilities. We currently use RevEcom.com to process credit card charges, but the script is compatible with any service including RevEcom, InstaBill, Authorize, PayPal, etc.

We only offer this script to our resellers, but for a limited time (until 04/30/01), we will also offer the script to WHT visitors.

The normal price is $100, however, if you order within 48 hours after this post is made, you will qualify for a 25% OFF ($75 TOTAL) discount. We can also install the script on your server for just $45.

* The latest version was eleased on 04.14.01. It includes most of the bug fixes, better security and a few new features. By purchasing alicense, you will receive unlimited upgrades for the script as soon as they come out.

If you have any questions regarding this script, please contact us at:

eMail: info@hostvelocity.com
ICQ: 35987813
AIM: HVhelp
master99a

You can order the script using the following URL. We will send it to the eMail specified in your order within 24 hours.

http://secure.paysystems1.com/sale.asp?pd_info=42FE3E70D760EA5D0336B8C5AC59974A11191C274581DF219B646D2FE6276CF31325824C009F636F

Best Regards,
Boris Mordkovich

eva2000
04-14-2001, 11:19 PM
Great... okay what were the few new features added ? Is hostvelocity using the new or older version of this script on your site ?

echoweb
04-14-2001, 11:48 PM
1) Better documentation was added (along with complete instructions)

2) New install.php file was added

3) Better password encryption

4) Easier navigation

And yes, the latest version is the one HostVelocity.com uses, so if you want to test it, go to http://hostvelocity.com/order/ and fill out the first form and you'll see what happens.

Best Regards,
Boris

eddie
04-15-2001, 09:07 AM
What about future Upgrades...

Also I see you have paypal as one of the options...

Myself and 2 of my resellers use WORLDPAY

could that be integrated? :)

ksstudio
04-15-2001, 10:16 AM
Hi, i use Revecom, so i think i might be compatible with the script, but before i purchase can i see a working demo of the scripts ?

HIGHLY interested !;)

eva2000
04-15-2001, 10:29 AM
i just took the plunge and you can see it on his site http://hostvelocity.com/order/

that's what made up my mind.. seeing it in action :D

ksstudio
04-15-2001, 10:31 AM
I have see the order oage demo, how about the Admin Control Panel Demo? Izzit inside the WHM ?

echoweb
04-15-2001, 11:55 AM
Greetings,

Sorry it took me so long to reply.

1) Yes, all future upgrades are included in the license.

2) Yes, it can be intergrated with WorldPay and RevEcom (that's what we use right now).

3) I will attach a screenshot of the control panel in this page. It's very basic and simple, however, if you want to customize it to fit your design, you can.

Best Regards,
Boris

echoweb
04-15-2001, 04:25 PM
About 30 hours left for the 25% OFF discount.

Boris

ckizer
04-15-2001, 06:16 PM
How about you let me design a nice interface for your software and then i get a free copy? take at look at my work at http://nsite.sharpwebinnovations.com and http://nsite.sharpwebinnovations.com/kizer.html

echoweb
04-15-2001, 06:49 PM
Greetings,

Several members reported the following error to me:

"I just tried to install your new script and I got the following error after typing in my Webhost Manager info:

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mcrypt_create_iv() in /home/gamsolut/public_html/auto/install.php on line 19. What do I do"

Here's what the problem is and how to solve it:

mcrypt_create_iv() failing means the cryptograhpy library is not installed (see php.net/mcrypt). This can be changed to a different encryption method, but it is NOT as secure.

To set it up on your own server, change the "localhost" on line 48 in functions.php to the server you want it to use.

Boris
p.s. ckizer: why don't you contact me by eMail, ICQ or AIM and we'll see what we can work out.

eva2000
04-15-2001, 07:07 PM
:(

so from http://php.net/manual/en/ref.mcrypt.php

To use it, download libmcrypt-x.x.tar.gz from here - ftp://mcrypt.hellug.gr/pub/mcrypt/libmcrypt/libmcrypt-2.4.10.tar and follow the included installation instructions. You need to compile PHP with the --with-mcrypt parameter to enable this extension. Make sure you compile libmcrypt with the option --disable-posix-threads

i have to recompile PHP ? i currently have PHP compiled as
'./configure' '--with-apache=../apache_1.3.17' '--with-mysql' '--with-gd' '--with-freetype' '--enable-track-vars' '--with-jpeg-dir=/usr' '--with-xpm-dir=/usr/X11R6' '--enable-ftp' '--enable-sockets' '--with-openssl=/usr' '--with-sysvshm' '--with-sysvsem' '--with-imap' '--with-curl' '--with-zlib'

need some help :)

echoweb
04-15-2001, 07:13 PM
In the script readme, you will find the eMail of our programmer. You can email this problem to him.

Boris

eva2000
04-15-2001, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by echoweb
In the script readme, you will find the eMail of our programmer. You can email this problem to him.

Boris Would be great if you could find out :) I'll have to tackle this tomorrow as i have a site deadline to meet :D

echoweb
04-15-2001, 07:41 PM
If you want, we can setup the script for you...

Boris

cimshimy
04-15-2001, 11:30 PM
Hi,

I am the person who wrote this script custom for HostVelocity. I actually had NO clue Boris was reselling this script until today, which was not part of the original agreement. It is my fault for not getting a contract.. and I am angry for not doing that, as I was ripped off by HostVelocity.

I have completely rewritten this script, and it is now easily setup, installed, and integrated with your Credit Card accepter and PayPal. In fact, I will install it for you free.

Contact me directly for the updated version of the script (free if you bought it from boris!), I am charging only $50.00, otherwise. This script is definitely not worth $100.00.

P.S. I really hate to do this to Boris, but the only other option was to "partner" with him where I would not get nearly as much profit as I deserved.

UPDATE: As I read over his post, he only offered me $25 an installation, where I do all the work and he charges $45. This is blatantly ripping me off. You have no idea how angry I am!


Andrew

eva2000
04-15-2001, 11:40 PM
noooooooooooo...

what mess have a gotten myself into now :(

i paid Boris US$75 for it now what ?

cimshimy
04-15-2001, 11:40 PM
If you paid Boris for it, e-mail me at balto@xer0.com and I will send you an updated version. Sorry.

UPDATE TO THE UPDATE: This no longer needs mcrypt, and I have tested the whole system. I have been working really hard on this script since he decided to resell it, because it was really built into Boris' system, and wasn't _AT ALL_ ready to be put on other peoples servers.



Andrew

teck
04-16-2001, 12:33 AM
LOL, this thread keeps getting interesting.

Fiber
04-16-2001, 01:46 AM
Originally posted by teck
LOL, this thread keeps getting interesting.

Ditto.

Chicken
04-16-2001, 01:57 AM
Isn't this twice now? Boris, please PM a mod, or email moderators@webhostlink.com :confused:

WildWayz
04-16-2001, 03:23 AM
Originally posted by eddie
What about future Upgrades...

Also I see you have paypal as one of the options...

Myself and 2 of my resellers use WORLDPAY

could that be integrated? :)

My sister works for World Pay in the UK :)

--James

nox
04-16-2001, 04:08 AM
Some things never change, eh Boris?

Tim Greer
04-16-2001, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by cimshimy
Hi,

I am the person who wrote this script custom for HostVelocity. I actually had NO clue Boris was reselling this script until today, which was not part of the original agreement. It is my fault for not getting a contract.. and I am angry for not doing that, as I was ripped off by HostVelocity.

I have completely rewritten this script, and it is now easily setup, installed, and integrated with your Credit Card accepter and PayPal. In fact, I will install it for you free.

Contact me directly for the updated version of the script (free if you bought it from boris!), I am charging only $50.00, otherwise. This script is definitely not worth $100.00.

P.S. I really hate to do this to Boris, but the only other option was to "partner" with him where I would not get nearly as much profit as I deserved.

UPDATE: As I read over his post, he only offered me $25 an installation, where I do all the work and he charges $45. This is blatantly ripping me off. You have no idea how angry I am!


Andrew

Andrew,

Sorry to hear that. This is flat out eerie, if you saw my thread about this a couple of days ago -- I won't get into detail about (The short version: I didn't do this very project for Boris for the very reason I was never given a contract, and from an adult (Boris is 14), which is what pissed him off with me).

Anyway, there are laws that protected software developers. Many people think that when you develop software for a company, they automatically own all the copyrights and all interest in said software. Well, that's true and it isn't true. You see, if you develop software for a company and they tell you that it's to stay in-house and not be mass distributed, and they then do that anyway, you can legally be entitled to receive a portion of the profits for every script that they sell.

This is to protect you from just this type of thing, where you develop it for virtually nothing under the condition it's not to be resold to the public and someone makes a lot of money from it, and you lose out.

Also, although it's all relevant to the situation, you don't need a contract to protect your interests only, they need one to protect theirs. You see, for them to claim ownership and to continue and resell this program and not give you a percentage -- since you never agreed to let them mass distribute it, they'd need something to the effect that it specifically says it WILL be mass distributed. No contract, means they never put this in writing letting you know it will be resold to the public.

If no one contests the fact you coded it/authored it, or you can prove you did, then you retain ownership of the code, unless you have received and accepted payment for the job -- which shows there was an agreement entered -- but not to exact all the details... so, unless you signed someone releasing the complete ownership to that company in all these facets, you can take action. Further, if they don't have something signed saying that you knew it was to be resold to the public, then you're entitled to a portion of the profits. This is to protect developers from this very thing and you can see there's a reason for it.

Although I seriously doubt anything would have been done anyway, you may have saved some time and effort for not developing it, because you were dealing with a 14 year old kid. I don't have much faith in a 14 year old kid that claims to "own a web hosting company", especially with my experience with this particular one, but you need to make sure you get a contract signed outlining the exact terms and conditions of the development and what will happen with/to the software, and signed by an adult, before you even start development... and if they don't sign it and get pissed that you didn't do a project for them, then oh well. Good luck.

echoweb
04-16-2001, 04:44 PM
If he has never mentioned that the script may not be distributed nor he never actually wrote that in a contract, I don't think this is totally my fault.

We ordered the script to be written and we paid for it on time. Who's to say that it doesn't belong to us now? Besides, if he's offering the script that WE ordered from him to the public, then I suppose we are both guilty.

It'd be one thing if he had a contract that specified that we may not resell the script to anyone - in which case, we'd never do something like this, but he didn't even ask us to sign anything, so we are not completely to blame.

To those of you that already purchased a script, you received a fully functioning version and exactly what I promised to you in the original post, so I don't think that it was a waste of money. If you have any questions, please contact me.

I guess there isn't much I can say right now. I already personally apologized to the owner and I will stop accepting future orders as of now.

Boris

teck
04-16-2001, 04:48 PM
want to share it with us here?

cimshimy
04-16-2001, 05:08 PM
First, thank you Tim for your advice.

Second, those who bought the script did receive a working copy, but there are many, many, things which need to be changed in order for to it work (plus, it requires mcrypt, which many people don't seem to have or want).

Right now i'm testing the newest version of the script with the people who already bought it.. there shouldn't be any problems.

I would also like to say that I had no clue Boris was 14. In fact, the only reason I didn't get some sort of official agreement was because he was from WHT, and I figured I could trust him (this was stupid because there are good and bad people everywhere).

I received alot of sympathetic e-mails and inquiries. Thank you to those people.


Andrew

echoweb
04-16-2001, 05:21 PM
You keep bringing up my age (which is not correct, by the way) like this sort of thing never happens between adults.

Before you start accusing me, at least read MY point of view regarding the whole thing...

Boris

cimshimy
04-16-2001, 05:22 PM
Oh, here's a nice fun addition to this already wonderful story:

haner@hotmail.com claims to have bought the script. I sent the updated version to him last night.

Boris reports that this person did not buy the script. Either Boris or "haner" is lying.

If it is Boris, I expected as much.
If it is haner, I am in shock that you would take advantage of this situation.

People suck.


Andrew

eva2000
04-16-2001, 05:31 PM
well i just checked my credit card and it was already charged for US$75

Andrew has been kind enough to help me and rewrote the script without the need for mycrypt..

With the new revised script Andrew has i had to turn on - allow_call_time_pass_reference = On in php.ini for it to install

i still am having some problems with the readme.txt instructions on the new script and hopefully Andrew is kind enough to address them.

To the moderators please don't close and remove this thread instead use vb 2 beta 5's new split posts from thread function if you want it back on topic

WildWayz
04-16-2001, 05:41 PM
/me strokes Eva

Damn, I am following u like a puppy on heat!
First vB's forums, then here and now venturesonline's forums =)

James

PS -I bought da script too =)

cimshimy
04-16-2001, 05:49 PM
Hi,

I have decided to release the script as open source. Money is not worth this much trouble. I am going to test the final (hopefully) version with WildWayz and see how things go.

I've also cleared the README up a little.

Eva2000 had trouble finding the package string in WHM.. you should see the screenshot at http://nixt.org/package_strings.png - hopefully it will help.


Andrew

Woody
04-16-2001, 06:02 PM
Well you guys just seem to be screwing people over left and right. What about the people that already bought it? Do they get a refund? I would be very mad right about now if I was one of them.

Tim Greer
04-16-2001, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by echoweb
You keep bringing up my age (which is not correct, by the way) like this sort of thing never happens between adults.

Before you start accusing me, at least read MY point of view regarding the whole thing...

Boris

Your ICQ information said you were 14 very recently, I guess you had a birthday since. And, you're right, it happens with adults too. However, an adult can be held legally liable for any sort of breach of contract, etc. Well, a non-adult can be as well. However, synonymously, younger people generate more issues with these sorts of things -- not to say all of them do, but a majority, copmared to adults.

echoweb
04-16-2001, 06:46 PM
What contract EXACTLY are you talking about?

Boris

Tim Greer
04-16-2001, 06:51 PM
Originally posted by echoweb
What contract EXACTLY are you talking about?

Boris

I can't tell who you posted this to. However, if you're responding to my last post, I was speaking of contracts in general, which I thought was obvious.

eva2000
04-16-2001, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by cimshimy
Hi,

I have decided to release the script as open source. Money is not worth this much trouble. I am going to test the final (hopefully) version with WildWayz and see how things go.

I've also cleared the README up a little.

Eva2000 had trouble finding the package string in WHM.. you should see the screenshot at http://nixt.org/package_strings.png - hopefully it will help.


Andrew thanks Andrew i was wondering what they were

Well you guys just seem to be screwing people over left and right. What about the people that already bought it? Do they get a refund? I would be very mad right about now if I was one of them

Yeah... Boris do the right thing and give me my refund !!! ... i mean the original script you sold me didn't work for me anyway...

Just hit that refund button in your merchant control panel

echoweb
04-16-2001, 07:02 PM
Unless you can show me a contract with my or anyone else's signature from our company that states that we cannot re-distribute the script to others, I don't think you have a very strong base to make accusations on.

Boris

ckizer
04-16-2001, 07:06 PM
Hey I got it!!!

The best way to settle this (the real owner) just post the scripts for free!! It will f*ck whoever is trying to screw you outta your money. Granted you can't sell it again, but then he won't be able to either :-)

cimshimy
04-16-2001, 07:16 PM
When you said "Well you guys just seem to be screwing people over left and right." are you including me?

If you want the script, go to http://nixt.org/whm_script-0.4.zip and download it.

WildWayz got it to work with no problems.. and i'm pretty sure everyones' problems have been resolved.

If there are any bugs, PLEASE, let me know!

If you like it and want to pay me back for it, I am really looking for good, solid colocation for my new 1U rackmount server. I'm pretty sure this is asking way too much.

UPDATE: Looks like there was an e-mail sending bug.. I put text\html instead of text/html in setup.php. It has since been fixed.


Andrew

WildWayz
04-16-2001, 08:03 PM
Andrew is a star!

Been working with him and getting it working, and I have to say it is smooth sailing!

it checks for usernames over 8 chars and also usernames already existing - as well as he has fixed the email details feature!

this script rocks!

But I am a little concerned - Boris did take the money out of the credit card knowing he wasn't going to sell any more :/

Would like a refund, OR give all the money to Andrew.

--James

ckizer
04-16-2001, 08:05 PM
I didn't mean to infer that anybody was screwing us, i belive that you did the right thing by releasing the script. Also with a question of a doubt i recommend colocation with site5 talk to matt (he posts here alot) they have given me excellent support and we are about to go co-locate with them...

Tim Greer
04-16-2001, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by echoweb
Unless you can show me a contract with my or anyone else's signature from our company that states that we cannot re-distribute the script to others, I don't think you have a very strong base to make accusations on.

Boris

I wish you'd be clear of whom you're posting to, since again, I was speaking of contracts in general, and the issues involved, having to do with age -- not what specific conditions you worked out or not. You're not legally old enough (probably in any country) to sign and make a contract valid anyway.

However, now that you bring it up, I suggest you check into the laws of ownership, trademarks and copyrights. I also suggest you seek information in regards to developer rights and not assume things. A contract isn't just for one person's protection, it's obvious, by how contracts work, that they are there to protect both of the party's involved. Yes, that means you, Boris.

It's simple, if there's no contract, then all you have proof of, upon the other party accepting payment for the services they render to you, that they only rendered the service and you can legally use and own the scripts created -- for the most part, that's not specific to all situations -- but that does not exact the terms, if any were agreed to anyway, that you and the other party might have agreed to. Simply paying for a service, does not entitle you to assume all the issues and conditions involved in every single aspect.

If he didn't mentioned that it was to not be resold, that doesn't mean that he isn't protected from you reselling the scripts. By his actions here alone, that shows evidence that he did not agree to those terms. That alone doesn't show that he did or didn't, but certainly more so that he didn't by that act. You should have made it clear you were going to resell the software. If you didn't, due to your own neglect, being it doesn't matter if he wasn't clear himself anyway at that point, then there was no proof to show that he was aware of this -- hence, if you plan to and for your own protection, the burden of proof to that effect, is on your head, not his.

You are the person that needs to prove he was aware or otherwise told the scripts might be sold to the general public. Of course, every situation is different, but if you don't have proof you told him that, then you simply have no proof to show evidence that the developer was to even assume it was a service rendered to create code for the use of any other party than your "company". People have to go with that they assume and know, he wasn't told and it's common for a developer to simply assume it's for a company. Your responsibility is to clearly inform him it's possible to be released to the public, because developers charge different prices accordingly. This affects the price they charge for development, etc.

Surely, he should have made it clear he assumed it was just for your company, and had an adult sign an agreement stating this -- the lack of that, is the reason why I never bothered thought to start on that very project for you, Boris. Simply because things weren't clearly outlined, doesn't say one thing or another, even if it does better indicate the assumed conditions and terms.

I'm not saying outright that people automatically own a portion of the profits if they develop for a company and that company sells this product without telling the developer that they plan to or have decided to, but indeed that is often the case and they still do have some rights to that code they created, unless you have something to prove that they understood the conditions of the development and how and if it'll be resold. This goes both ways, it's nothing personal, but this is a fact and you shouldn't assume you're covered because HE lacks a signed contract stating those facts, because NEITHER DO YOU, Boris.

Perhaps you understand what I'm saying now. If nothing else, you can at least surely understand why I didn't bother developing such a thing for you, and why people don't desire to deal with minor's in regards to such issues. As it stands, the facts are, none of this is any good, because of who it was done with, whom agreed to what with whom and the lack of anything to outlines the conditions that people are assuming... that makes it a mess and difficult to work out, no matter what you WANT to claim or assume about the situation. Oh well, you're young, maybe you'll learn from this experience... maybe not.

Tim Greer
04-16-2001, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by ckizer
Hey I got it!!!

The best way to settle this (the real owner) just post the scripts for free!! It will f*ck whoever is trying to screw you outta your money. Granted you can't sell it again, but then he won't be able to either :-)

My thoughts, exactly, assuming that is the case at hand. If yoy take the point out of them going through the effort to be able to sell something they shouldn't be and you've already wasted your time and effort doing it, you may as well take away the opportunity from them. However, that also depends on the circumstances and terms. I.e., if I did a project and someone didn't pay me for it (Boris said he paid this person though), and they were selling it without any word to me and making a profit, I'd just give it away at that point, because I'd have already lost out on getting my money for the job... I'd make sure that person or company couldn't take advantage and make money from my work. Of course, it depends on the situation.

nox
04-16-2001, 08:51 PM
Geez,

Having dealt with Boris some months ago, I would NEVER have thought he was a minor... in which case, on balance, after consideration, I don't think Boris was trying to do anything overtly shifty... I would prefer to believe he is just inexperienced and may not realise the consequences of his enthusiasm.....

Tim, you are 100% correct in recommending that Boris learns from this, as his energy would be an asset if directed properly.

How can a minor control a merchant account anyway?? Even Instabill etc have age restrictions????

Boris... you should pay the money back and use your creativity to concoct another less controversial marketing plan... don't let this issue taint your potentially successful future...

Good deals are one's where all parties are happy and they're not so hard to do..:)

Good Luck..!

echoweb
04-16-2001, 09:35 PM
Greetings all,

There are several things that I'd like to say before this matter gets out of hand (if it hasn't already):

1) The entire agenda was discussed between EchoMedia, Inc/HostVelocity and we arrived to the following conclusion: we will issue a complete and total refund of $75 to anyone who requests it. Please eMail us at billing@hostvelocity.com with a request for a refund, your full name and eMail.

2) In addressing all the other matters: Yes, I'm 15 years old. However, our company (EchoMedia, Inc) has several employees, each of which are 18-21+ years old. We are a registered corporation, we file our taxes, we have several legal representatives working for us, etc. Our parent company has been in business for over 2 1/2 years and HostVelocity has been operating for 5 months and I can say that we provide a hell of a service for our customers.

If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to contact us directly... or post them here.

Best Regards,
Boris Mordkovich

eva2000
04-16-2001, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by echoweb
Greetings all,

There are several things that I'd like to say before this matter gets out of hand (if it hasn't already):

1) The entire agenda was discussed between EchoMedia, Inc/HostVelocity and we arrived to the following conclusion: we will issue a complete and total refund of $75 to anyone who requests it. Please eMail us at billing@hostvelocity.com with a request for a refund, your full name and eMail.
request for refund email sent :)

cimshimy
04-16-2001, 10:04 PM
And now that Boris is issuing refunds, i'm sure you want to give me all your money. :D


Andrew

DHWWnet
04-16-2001, 10:21 PM
Originally posted by cimshimy
And now that Boris is issuing refunds, i'm sure you want to give me all your money. :D


Andrew

hehe :p glad to hear everything turned out pretty good for everybody. :beer:

Tim Greer
04-17-2001, 05:19 AM
Originally posted by felix220
Geez,

Having dealt with Boris some months ago, I would NEVER have thought he was a minor... in which case, on balance, after consideration, I don't think Boris was trying to do anything overtly shifty... I would prefer to believe he is just inexperienced and may not realise the consequences of his enthusiasm.....


Oh, of course, I hope no one got that impression from my posts. I never had meant to say Boris had any ill intentions in regards to this deal, issue, or software or any of it, nor that minor's can't be honest or trusted or even reliable. Just general comments about such things and issues, not to this specific issue, since I don't know and I'm not going to guess. Cheers. :-)

WildWayz
04-17-2001, 05:31 AM
I think what Felix said it best - this is all a learning experience, and to be honest, even though Boris is young - look what he is doing!

At his age, he is running a webhosting company.

When I first came to WHT forums, I was asking for help of webserver administration as I was new to it and had a dedicated server.

I was flamed for getting a server without knowing how to use it - but people just judged me for asking help.

In the time I had a server with ***** - I learnt a LOT about administration and Linux - and that was in a short space of time. Now I can install/configure Apache, PHP, mySQL, OpenSSL etc, work on DNS etc

Sure, I am not the best - but I know enough to help others - and I genuinly do.

What I am trying to say is that this should be looked at as a learning experience for programmers, webhosts etc.

--James

baileysemt123
04-19-2001, 02:38 AM
Very wise, Boris, to issue refunds. However the wisest way to handle it will be to simply issue them to everyone, not to those who "happen" to contact you on the basis of a posting on a single public bulletin board that said users may or may not frequent. I don't know if you've contacted your users beyond that, but, make sure everyone knows they CAN get a refund.

Furthermore, this is a pretty cut-and-dry legitimate grounds for a chargeback. For those whom it didn't work -- easy chargeback. On the basis of age (depending whose name that Merchant Account is in... on the dotted line behind "Company Name" it MUST be an adult) -- chargeback. In fact you could simply say "once received, I didn't think it was worth the price being charged, and I decided not to use the product, and wish a refund." That would fly just fine too.

~~ Generally speaking ~~
Remember chargebacks cost the merchant a minimum of $10 apiece in addition to the refund. If you don't get no satisfaction, you as a consumer have EVERY RIGHT to expect a refund. And your credit card company WILL stand behind you if filed in a timely manner.
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Andrew, thank you for your kind service of providing such a script freeware. That is about the most gracious thing I've seen in the webhosting industry in a very, very long time. :)



:D Bailey

echoweb
04-19-2001, 07:50 PM
Refunds were issued to everyone. We never sold the script to anyone beyong this board, anyway.

Boris

tarev
06-07-2001, 05:17 AM
Well the last I checked the business worked this way, You buy something for less and sell it more,
I usually am thankfull when someone refers me a business and they get generouse cut out of the businesss.

I dont know its just me.


Originally posted by cimshimy
Hi,

I am the person who wrote this script custom for HostVelocity. I actually had NO clue Boris was reselling this script until today, which was not part of the original agreement. It is my fault for not getting a contract.. and I am angry for not doing that, as I was ripped off by HostVelocity.

I have completely rewritten this script, and it is now easily setup, installed, and integrated with your Credit Card accepter and PayPal. In fact, I will install it for you free.

Contact me directly for the updated version of the script (free if you bought it from boris!), I am charging only $50.00, otherwise. This script is definitely not worth $100.00.

P.S. I really hate to do this to Boris, but the only other option was to "partner" with him where I would not get nearly as much profit as I deserved.

UPDATE: As I read over his post, he only offered me $25 an installation, where I do all the work and he charges $45. This is blatantly ripping me off. You have no idea how angry I am!


Andrew

tarev
06-07-2001, 05:24 AM
Hey Boris,

Why would you give refounds on the product that worked, that you had an idea of and made it happen.

When one goes to supermarket and buys something, do they go back and request refound just becouse the product costs less to make then its sold for?

I don't know maybe its just me?




Originall


y posted by echoweb
Refunds were issued to everyone. We never sold the script to anyone beyong this board, anyway.

Boris

Nicholas Brown
08-04-2001, 08:27 AM
Sorry to bring back a dead thread.....

but Andrew seems to have released a new version :D

http://nixt.org/

WildWayz
08-04-2001, 08:29 AM
Ta for letting me know Nicholas :)

--James

kunal
08-04-2001, 03:13 PM
well.. ive just written one.. needs php compiled.. and is not free.. :) if you guys are interested.. drop me an email.. :)

Nicholas Brown
08-04-2001, 03:16 PM
Andrews is pretty cool - Think Im gonna use it :D

WildWayz
08-04-2001, 03:23 PM
U love me Kunaaaaaaaaaaal - any discount for phpSupportDesk owners? :)

*sucks up to ya*

--James

globe
08-04-2001, 04:31 PM
Hello we might need a software like that to distribute here in Italy.
Anybody who offer us an automated billing local data-base connected?
We would to negotiate exclusive (or shared) rights for italian territory.

thank you


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www.wmgitalia.net
Italian Style in Hosting

info@wmgitalia.net

venomx
08-04-2001, 05:20 PM
"VDI/WHM Clients" so I take it this wont work for WHM on BurstNet servers?

WildWayz
08-04-2001, 05:25 PM
It works on any WHM/Burstnet server.

This thread was made before VDI's CPanel team split up.

--James

venomx
08-04-2001, 05:35 PM
Yeah but is it worth going and installing it to have the new control panels be released in a month or so?

globe
08-04-2001, 05:39 PM
we're using lot of Plesk, what about it?

WildWayz
08-04-2001, 05:57 PM
This script doesn't work with Plesk - only WHM based servers.

Hmmmm u could use this script until the new WHM is out - isn't it called NocSoft?

--James

Fremont Servers
08-04-2001, 06:51 PM
Hello,

Can you modify it to make it work with PLESK & iBill.com?

WildWayz
08-04-2001, 06:56 PM
Hi ya

I didn't write the script, but I would say no.

It is specifically written to work with WHM and Plesk is totally different.
I think there are scripts out there for Plesk, but I don't know them.

--James

brandonk
08-04-2001, 07:03 PM
Yes, I heard that their are scripts out for the current version of Plesk. And then when Plesk2 comes out, their will be another release of script out for it shortly after.

Email adam@plesk.com, he could probably help you get your hands on those scripts.

Plesk2 rules... saw it the other night. Great job Plesk! ;)

Fremont Servers
08-04-2001, 07:04 PM
I believe if you email PLESK, they will send you how to do it for FREE.



It will enter the new customer into PSA Admin.
However, I think you have to delete fake orders.
To what I know, it doesn't have "pending for PSA Admin approval" in the process.

venomx
08-04-2001, 07:08 PM
Hmm What if you dont have a merchant account that gives URLs?