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who gets effected?

04-04-2000, 07:43 PM

Okay...for one, I am not standing up for this company... I am standing up for the clients who have paid for their hosting.

I don't see how you can have trouble getting out of a contract. Stop paying for the service and the contract is broken. For those who are unaware, you can contact your credit card company and ask to have whomever is trying to bill you... blocked (your credit card company has to protect you from unauthorized billing). If you keep getting email from them, block their email address too.

I'm not sure when you folks had problems with this company (and yes I have done my research), but after TH was dropped by Colossus, thier services greatly improved (I have emailed a bunch of people who use TH and this is what they told me [you can find TH clients too by searching the IP's TH use]) and I believe this improvement is due to Alabanza.

Though, when I say services I am not reffering to support but to their speed and reliability. I have heard they take up to 4 days to reply to support email and it can be a little vague.

Joey the Saint - I do back up my normal site files, but I run many cgi programs that update hourly and I can't back up those constantly. Those files happen to be the most important, which I backup each weekend. I have almost 500 mb of files on my site, it would take longer than 4 minutes to switch hosts.

As for - "I would be out $350 plus all my site files too, and well I'm not rich so that is a large sum to me."

I would loose my money because I paid upfront annual for my hosting (which I now know I should never do). My host doesn't have a setup fee, so I wouldn't loose from that.

But anyway, so far only been 5 months with my current host, and if they were forced out of business like you are trying to do to TH, then I would lose 7 months of hosting I paid for and be very very pissed off. Why? Unlike other people, I don't have the time to file a lawsuit or the money for that matter. :(

Based on all the sites I've been to, these unsatisfied past customers are mostly from back in 1999 when TH got their servers from Colossus. I haven't seen any bad reports since their move to Alabanza except for the slow tech email responce time.

I'm not going to respond anymore to this thread as it is going no where. I just thought maybe you could find a better way to make this guy or company or whatever 'pay'. Possibly take him to court or something, this way he will still have to pay for his wrong doing... and those who are using TH services won't lose anything.

Joey the Saint

04-05-2000, 12:07 AM

I'm glad Cyberglenn is happy with TH, because odds are they're gonna have a hell of a time getting out of their contract.

I was happy with TH for months -- UNTIL I tried to cancel my service. Now, after all he's put me -- and others -- through I hate him on a deeply personal level. Frankly, I wouldn't save him if he were drowning under ice.

You don't back up your site on a ZIP drive, or even to your C: drive? It took me about four minutes to put mine up on a new host.

Do me a favor; have your friend at cyberglenn.com email TH and ask about the cancellation policy. Just ask. I'd be curious to see the result. If, of course, you're not Davey trying to save his butt by impersonating a "satisfied user."

J.W. St. John-Ryan http://www.periscopeonline.net

paulpelton

04-05-2000, 12:24 AM

To "who gets effected":

I don't think you should stop posting. This is a good discussion. In my view the question you ask is an important one: "Who gets affected"? Since you've done some research into TH's business practices, I assume you've let your friends who are customers of TH know what you found out. I guess I'm just surprised that you don't think your question also applies to the countless people out there who might sign up with TH because they don't know how TH does business. I think the real question is: Who get affected by NOT running TH out of business? I'm more concerned about them than people who know about TH but still choose to do business with them.

Your friends have a chance to jump ship now, before it becomes a big pain. I think you should encourage them to take it.

Regards,
Paul

Joey the Saint

04-05-2000, 12:25 AM

You wrote:

- I would be out $350 plus all my site files too, and well I'm not rich so that is a large sum to me.

--> You wouldn't have lost it; you'd have paid it, anyway. All you'd be out is your setup fee.

- Maybe just put yourself in these people's shoes for a minute and imagine how you would feel when one day your site is working fine and the next it is gone with no explanation or hope for getting it back.

--> And this is different from TH's tech support, how? I don't have to imagine it; all it takes are two solid weeks of having my site down and constant replies of

> The problem is on your end! We have NO
> problems, here!!

--> Meanwhile, hundreds of fans are bombing you with frantic email because they can't get your tour dates. Would that I could turn them loose on HIM.

- Every host is a crook then, because I have not heard of any host out there that has not had complaints nor that has never been threatened with a lawsuit.

--> There are complaints, and there are complaints. I have never seen a more ineptly-run or more idiotic company.

- The only thing one can do when something like this happens is move on.

--> Tried that. He STILL won't let me cancel my contract.

- When you sign up with a new host make sure you read the fine print

--> There WAS no fine print. I have a screen capture of his signup page, and there was no TOS link. He's been making it up as he goes along, changing his TOS and his contracts at his own discretion. The guy is a f---ing LIAR, and a CROOK!

- and ask tons of questions before paying any money.

--> Tried that. He lies through his teeth.

- And even with that, you are not 100% secured that you'll get your money's worth.

--> In this case I didn't get ANY of my money's worth. Davey offers a "Guaranteed 99% uptime." His first reply when my sites were down for nearly 2 weeks and I demanded a month's credit? I quote:

> We do not give refunds or credits. Unlucky!

--> I'll agree with you that all sites have dissatisfied customers, but I'll also assume you haven't done any research on True Hosting, because if you have, and you still stand up for them, then you're part of the problem.

J.W. St. John-Ryan http://www.periscopeonline.net

who gets effected?

04-05-2000, 01:36 AM

Okay, I'll post one more and then it's done.

I have let the webmasters that I found know about what is going on with the angry bunch on this BB and alt.www.webmaster. They think it sucks because they are happy with the services they are recieving and I don't blame them (maybe there are others who have been screwed by this host..but I check this forum and reports on hosts frequently and frankly I now feel like all hosts are cons because they all have complaints, and some even have very strange ones like the ones about TH).

Anyway, I also found one guy who resells for TH and now is scared out of his pants because he doesn't know what to do with all his resold clients. If I were in his position, I'd be scared too because it seems this country is full of sue happy people (ex. I read on one forum (I'm not sure if it was this one) that a woman wanted to sue a host for her site being down for a couple days... what do people think, that hosting companies have invinsible machines or something?).

I don't know, maybe you should keep trying to get rid of this company. Though when I think about who gets effected here I don't really see the dude from TH getting that much punishment.... just seeing Alabanza drop them like Colossus did and again more people losing their hosting and money.

Why do I think that? Well it seems you guys have been trying to get rid of this company for months now... have you gotten anywhere? I think its mainly because TH is not a US company and that is a big problem. Our laws don't apply to them like it would if they were a US company, since if they were we could just sick the Better Business Bureau on em' or drag them into a US court.

Anyhow, I've already invested too much time with this issue and it is time to move on. I hope the people I have emailed will get informed about this situation and make a good decision. The internet is crawling with creeps and I really don't know why this TH place (if they are such crooks and deceivers) haven't moved on and just started over with a new name and domain.

I'd like to say good luck to you all that are trying to make business on the net a safer place. It really is a good (and almost extinct) thing to see that there are people who still care in this world.

Peace,
Just an other concerned webmaster...

who gets effected?

04-05-2000, 02:05 AM

Shoot, I found something a little after I wrote that post above, but couldn't just edit it (maybe I should register) :)

Please read this... it might help you people out.

This one is about Internation crime: http://www.cybercrime.gov/unlawful.htm#INTERNATL

This is the main site: http://www.cybercrime.gov

Davey

04-05-2000, 04:10 PM

Just to clarify a few points:

* True Hosting has NEVER done ANYTHING illegal. Anyone who claims otherwise is libeling our company.
* We have over 2000 very happy clients, and this is growing by over 300 a month.
* Nobody from True Hosting is going to be going to jail. Joey the Saint is an ignorant liar who has an obcession with prison rape. Those are his personal problems. He actually seems to believe we would impersonate someone, register cyberglenn.com and create an entire web site in order to pretend to be our own customer.
* Annette Howard is a liar and a fraud, we have already reported her to law enforcement and other authorities. She has used many different aliases to hide behind, but she will be punished for her actions.
* We have openly stated to our customers that technical support times are not as good as we would like. We are receiving over 10-15 new clients per day, and so support times at the moment are increased.
* You do not need a license to run a business in the UK. Period. We do not wish to get one, and will not do so.
* We are not going to be "shut down". Ever. We are a very successful web host, and we will continue providing great service to our customers, and all the new customers who are flocking to us. We have no reason to stop providing service, it has proven exceptionally popular and we are very happy about this.
* System performance has improved exponentially since we moved from using Colossus. This was the reason for the move, we felt it was well within our reach (and almost our duty to our customers) to upgrade our systems to a better NOC. I would recommend any other Colossus users (do they have any??) to do the same, you will realise how bad they are. We have received MANY, MANY great comments about system performance and also the server configuration.

Over the next couple of months we plan to expand our support staff further, and improve efficiency of our systems to cope with demand. When we have problems, we address them. We addressed the increasing problems with Colossus before we started losing customers because of it, and will do the same in future in other areas of our business as needed.

True Hosting has proven extremely popular, much more than we ever dreamed. We now plan to go on and continue to provie the great service that has got us here, and provide better quality hosting to many more web site owners.

Anybody with any *genuine* problem may contact me directly.

We thank all our customers for their great comments to us, and welcome all suggestions!

fthosting

04-05-2000, 04:51 PM

Hey Davey you use bt internet free access how sweet when you told me you didnt use free internet access providers :0).

First off. You go on about about people dissing your company take a look at yourself you leave yourself open for the same kind of threats calling people liars thats slander. Also phoning colouss you got kicked not asked to move. But i agree with you on one thing dave alabanza kicks major ass.

cyberscripts

04-05-2000, 05:42 PM

calling someone a liar is not slander unless there is no evidence to the statement.

So far I haven't seen any real evidence that could be used against TrueHosting (saving emails is not sound evidence, just read any website about Internet Law).

Annette Howard on the other hand has posted lots of stuff on her website that lots of people have read (they could be true, but a good lawyer can twist the words around to make her out to be the liar) which could stand in a court of law.... but still if she just deleted the site she couldn't be sued for crap.

Even if there was evidence, you really think TH is going to sue anyone or vice versa? Overseas people, come on. You really have to be one pissed off cookie to take it that far.

The Internet is a tricky place and well, in real life, haven't you called someone a liar before? Did anyone threaten to sue you for slander? Come on... people online are getting silly now.

What was the point with the free internet access thing anyway? TH uses Alabanza, and if you have ever read about people who use them... it isn't $20 a month. It is more in the $400-$1300/month ($800 setup fee too) zone. Who knows how much TH is paying (since it depends on the package you get) but overall they must have a good client base in order to afford using Alabanza in the first place (and I'm guessing they can afford a really good lawyer too).

fthosting

04-05-2000, 06:06 PM

You have some extremly good points there. im a uk based person and know a bit about the uk laws and you dont need a lot of money in the uk to get a good solictor (lawyer). Even on legal aid here you can get the best. You just gotta hope the arresting officers pick a good one of there list or if its the court hope they assign a good one.

on the slander note. If it is written down and posted where people can see it classes as slander well at least it does in the uk not sure about the us ?

Davey

04-05-2000, 06:46 PM

To cyberscripts -

"So far I haven't seen any real evidence that could be used against TrueHosting (saving emails is not sound evidence, just read any website about Internet Law)."

Thank you. The fact is that we have not done anything illegal, at all. I think the children here talking about jail are obviously in a world of their own.

"Annette Howard on the other hand has posted lots of stuff on her website that lots of people have read (they could be true, but a good lawyer can twist the words around to make her out to be the liar) which could stand in a court of law.... but still if she just deleted the site she couldn't be sued for crap."

Don't worry, we have taken copies of her site. She has basically faked email exchanges, used fake names (look at the number of so-called "victims" using hotmail or yahoo.com, with named like "Terry" or "Mike". Impossible to trace, because they do not even exist.

"Even if there was evidence, you really think TH is going to sue anyone or vice versa?"

We never said that we would, but we certainly have the right to. We are not going to discuss specific action currently being taken, but needless to say that Annette Howard will pay heavily for her fraudulent activity.

"The Internet is a tricky place and well, in real life, haven't you called someone a liar before? Did anyone threaten to sue you for slander? Come on... people online are getting silly now."

I think you'll find it a little different when she libels your company. She is then liable for damages.

"What was the point with the free internet access thing anyway? TH uses Alabanza, and if you have ever read about people who use them... it isn't $20 a month. It is more in the $400-$1300/month ($800 setup fee too) zone. Who knows how much TH is paying (since it depends on the package you get) but overall they must have a good client base in order to afford using Alabanza in the first place (and I'm guessing they can afford a really good lawyer too)."

Just so you know, we use their $1500/month servers, top of the range (dual 550 processors, RAID 5, 1gb of SDRAM). They have VERY nice systems :) True, they are not cheap, but when it allows us to provide such good service to our customers it is well worth the investment. Our client base very easily pays for this, so there is little point going lower down in the market (we are not in this market to be penny-pinching!)

For the information of fthosting (who btw is trying to get out of paying for services they applied for and received), btinternet is not free. It is £9.95/month. Not much, but then ISPs are cheap.

The day you get a server at Alabanza, please let me know. Until then, you still have an outstanding bill with us you claim not to be able to afford to pay.

[This message has been edited by Davey (edited 04-05-2000).]

Joey the Saint

04-05-2000, 07:18 PM

Davey, when I sent you those knee pads I meant you only the best. I figured you could use them where you're going.

---

Let's get down to brass tacks.

Prove that I'm a liar. Go on, prove it.

Come ON! DO IT!

VERIFY ANYTHING I SAY HERE AS A LIE.

I have enough backtracking emails from you to staple your skinny ass to the floor. And they're posted at my site and they expose you as a lying, thieving half-wit, and you're pissed off about it.

So come on. Not hearsay, not just your word against mine -- let's see you DO it. I haven't lied, not once. BACK YOURSELF UP, YOU SPINELESS COWARD! BE A MAN!

Save your ass.

You can't.

You are a fraud, a liar, and a chicken$#!+.

Here, let's start here:

2/17/2000

<billing@truehosting.com> wrote:

> J W St john ryan,
>
> Your subscription to 12481-121
> True Hosting
> has been cancelled.
> You will NOT be billed again.
> You may, however, continue to access
> the site until the end of your current
> billing period.

> Subscription ID Number: 3933858
> Sub-Account: 12481-121 True Hosting
> PIN Code: 7971572

> Thank you for using Internet Billing
> Company. If you have any questions,
> please contact billing@truehosting.com

Yeah!! Finally free, after six weeks of you refusing to cancel my service and threatening me with collections. Right?

Wrong.

Yesterday (4/4/2000!) you posted a web page at my old IP stating that my site is "Closed Due to Non-Payment." (A zone transfer error kicked my DNS back to the old IP.)

That aside, you STILL send me demands for payment, and you keep racking up charges month after month even though I've been CANCELLED since 2/17. FRAUD!

What about these:

> > On 3/13/2000, "True Hosting" wrote:
> >
> > > We don't need your ten bucks,
> > > when have we asked you for
> > > that?
> >

-- which you wrote after you'd sent me over a hundred demands for payment, Overdue Notices, and Collections threats over $9.95. Do you have memory problems?

Wait -- here, everyone, read these; compare and contrast.

> On 2/18/2000, "True Hosting" wrote:
>
> you were told that if you would like us
> to cancel your subscription to ibill on your
> behalf you would need to fax a signed letter.

Oh, it was that simple all along? That's NOT what you said, you liar. You only said that after my collections agent informed you that he operates in England. Coward.

Wait; you also said:

> On 2/3/2000 "True Hosting" wrote:
>
> We require 30 days notice via fax. Your
> account cannot be cancelled until the 30
> days is up.

Which is it? Gee, there's my IBC cancellation notice. Yet you still send me bills. Still!

In February, you told my collections agent that iBill resold your service, and that you never got any of the money from iBill -- I was on that call. You said the money was paid to iBill, and that I didn't owe you anything. Fine by me. Well, I spoke with the Assistant General Counsel at iBill. They are not a reseller. They merely collect the money from VISA and send it to you. (Which is why TH no longer takes VISA; iBill cancelled their contract with TH because of customer complaints. Don't believe me? The customer service rep I spoke to *immediately* put me through to her supervisor as soon as I mentioned that I was having trouble with True Hosting.)

You told me that my contract isn't with you -- so why do I have to contact you at all to cancel my account? Why fax to Britain to a fax machine that's busy 99 times in a row in the middle of the night? Why the aggravation?

Further, why do you keep sending me bills and threatening me with collections? Why do you keep racking up charges on accounts that are now on other servers, cancelled with you for months? Why do you keep a defamatory web page up at my old IP address? Why, if my contract isn't with you? LIAR.

You told me that you have a U.S. office in Maryland. LIAR. Your "Maryland Office" is Alabanza. Thanks for sending my collections agent on a wild goose chase. I hope Alabanza dumps you.

And day after day, you still send me OverDue Notices. When I reply to them, you tell me not to contact you.

You tell me not to contact you, while you spam me with bills for accounts you've already told me I don't owe. Are you an idiot??

Whatever you are, you're a thief and a bully.

Demanding payment on bills that you've already admitted I don't owe is FRAUD.

If your company is so great, why do you have the lowest rating on this site's reviews page?

Why does NetCheck disapprove of your company?

Why is the thread against your company on this site one of the longest and angriest?

Why has not one "collection action" or "lawsuit" you've threatened ever happened or even been registered?

How come your "lawyer on staff" hasn't contacted any of my lawyers, or my band's or my label's attorneys, even though I've given you the contact info at least ten times in response to your "legal action" threats?

How come all you can do is write me nasty emails telling me to F--- OFF when I tell you to contact my attorneys?

If you're "The Leader in Customer Service," how come I have such an itching to knock the bejeezus out of you?

Ooh, here's one:

If you have so many customers, how do you find the time to keep antagonizing me? (Me, I'm a professional rock musician; I often have nothing better to do than sit in the back of a van and get pissed off at idiots like you.)

Your turn.

J.W. St. John-Ryan http://www.periscopeonline.net

cyberscripts

04-05-2000, 07:58 PM

This isn't the longest thread, the longest is about a reseller who can't take it anymore because of people like...well I won't say it, but if you read the thread you'll know what I mean.

Geez, it is just a website for crying out loud. I'm curious to how much money you actually lost in this whole thing with TH anyway. And why does your domain name still point to the IP for TH (at least it looks like it does)?

I'm not defending anyone here, I am just so damn annoyed with people talking **** about all these webhosts..not just TH.

Hosts are not perfect, and they make mistakes. They are human beings, not some almighty being that knows everything and does everything right the first time.

Again, if there was any real proof of fraud TH would already be in jail by now or paying a really high fine.

Joey the Saint

04-05-2000, 08:18 PM

Cyberscripts, are you reading any of this?

When my site comes back up, take a good long look. You'll see what I'm angry about.

This site is about web hosting, but this thread is about TrueHosting.

In my opinion, Davey is a lousy, smarmy, low-life who's found a questionable, extremely sneaky way to make money; a way that, if it's not fully illegal, is only marginally legal, and that's because no one has really thought about it. You can't read over what he's done, or see what he's doing, and agree that it's legal or right.

If he was here in the States, the Feds -- and the IRS, 'cuz he doesn't have a license -- would be on him like hounds. False advertising, libel, doing business without a license, possibly criminal misrepresentation to avoid paying a debt (lying to a collections agent to avoid paying a debt is illegal), harassment, and fraud. I don't know what the laws are like in Britain but he'd be in deep doo-doo Stateside, email admissibility or lack thereof notwithstanding. "Remember you're under oath, Mister Francis-MacRae. . .."

Getting to him legally in Britain just takes a little more perserverance. Fortunately, I've got a lot of time on my hands. Lots of time to send packets to cyber-fraud investigation agencies, to post on websites like this one, and to answer phone calls and emails from said agencies.

What he does will soon be illegal if it's not already.

hmmmm

04-05-2000, 08:24 PM

oooooh....TH talks. I can just see the pissed off ex TH clients getting ready to sound off.

Davey

04-05-2000, 09:50 PM

"In my opinion, Davey is a lousy, smarmy, low-life who's found a questionable, extremely sneaky way to make money; a way that, if it's not fully illegal, is only marginally legal, and that's because no one has really thought about it. You can't read over what he's done, or see what he's doing, and agree that it's legal or right."

Providing a web hosting service, at what is agreed to be the best NOC around at a low price. Yeah, that's real sneaky. How do we ever get away with it??

"If he was here in the States, the Feds -- and the IRS, 'cuz he doesn't have a license"

In the UK, we do not need a license. That means we are not doing anything wrong, it is not law over here so does not apply to us.

"False advertising"

What, exactly? Point to one single example.

"libel"

No, it is you committing libel.

"doing business without a license"

We do not need a license, do you not understand how the law works?

"possibly criminal misrepresentation to avoid paying a debt (lying to a collections agent to avoid paying a debt is illegal)"

Really? We have never lied to anyone, we have no reason to.

"harassment"

No, I believe you will find your continual references to prison rape, and related subjects are harassment. Also your continual threats of legal action when you know you have no case.

"and fraud"

Do you even know what fraud means? Give an example of how we have committed fraud.

"Getting to him legally in Britain just takes a little more perserverance."

No, since we have broken no lawys you cannot "get to us".

"Fortunately, I've got a lot of time on my hands."

Clearly. Not having a real job or life has its benefits, huh?

"Lots of time to send packets to cyber-fraud investigation agencies, to post on websites like this one, and to answer phone calls and emails from said agencies."

Okay, let me know when you contact these (fictional) "agencies". I will be interested to see them laugh at you. You do not understand that we have broken no laws.

"What he does will soon be illegal if it's not already."

No, running a highly successful and popular service is not ever going to be illegal, I don't believe.

Nice try though.

cyberscripts

04-05-2000, 11:58 PM

Your site is up and I took a look.

Heh, if I were your host that first image on your site that says 'parental advisory...i know your daughter' would make me want to remove your site (i'm a parent and I don't take lightly to that type of humor). But that is an other issue I don't care to discuss.

I believe Fastwebserver might be reselling for TrueHosting, I guess you just have bad luck or something. It should have been obvious that Fastwebserver was using Alabanza because of their control panel... but I guess you really didn't research that host either before you purchased their plan.

The US government can't do anything to TH unless they join forces with the UK and somehow work together to stop them. Which probably won't happen because they have a lot more important issues to cover besides webhosting and trying to get one guy or even 10 people their money back.

I read on your site that you know of hundreds who don't like TH. I have found to date only 13. You accused TH of hacking your site, when they didn't... your account was just reactivated by their reseller.

I assume you are just a young guy who is getting way in over his head. Lack of experience in life can do that to you if you aren't careful. Also, I noticed tons of bad language on your site that I found very offensive. Does your current host allow that? Eeep... here it is again, people purchasing hosting and using it the way they want and paying no mind to the TOS.

Joey the Saint

04-06-2000, 01:37 AM

-- Et la! --

Providing a web hosting service, at what is agreed to be the best NOC around at a low price. Yeah, that's real sneaky. How do we ever get away with it??

- Running web host, even a lousy one, is not a crime. Your scam, however, is. You sign people up, then you don't let them leave. Your rates are so cheap that I can't imagine how many people don't bother to fight you about it. You're probably raking it in long after people have moved on to less fraudulent pastures.

"If he was here in the States, the Feds -- and the IRS, 'cuz he doesn't have a license"

In the UK, we do not need a license. That means we are not doing anything wrong, it is not law over here so does not apply to us.

-IF HE WERE HERE, IN THE STATES

"False advertising"

What, exactly? Point to one single example.

- You advertise: "Guaranteed 99% Uptime"

- Then when asked for a credit, you reply:

> We do not give refunds or credits. Unlucky!

- That is FALSE ADVERTISING.

"libel"

No, it is you committing libel.

- I can back up everything I've said. You, however, cannot.

"doing business without a license"

We do not need a license, do you not understand how the law works?

- IF HE WERE HERE, IN THE STATES

"possibly criminal misrepresentation to avoid paying a debt (lying to a collections agent to avoid paying a debt is illegal)"

Really? We have never lied to anyone, we have no reason to.

1.) iBill is not a reseller

2.) You do not have a U.S. office

3.) On 3/1, you wrote:

> Go on! Make a fool of yourself!
> You do not even know my real name,
> or anyone else, here!!

4.) For more technically-oriented lies, see www.technogirl.net/99tales/false (http://www.technogirl.net/99tales/false)

"harassment"

No, I believe you will find your continual references to prison rape,

-scares you, huh? It should.

and related subjects are harassment.

- bull$#!+. Your months of Overdue Notices and threats of "legal action" are harassment, however.

Also your continual threats of legal action when you know you have no case.

- We'll see how much of a case, I guess. BTW, who IS your lawyer?

"and fraud"

Do you even know what fraud means? Give an example of how we have committed fraud.

- Fraud is a deliberate deception perpetrated for unlawful gain. I'd say you're about as guilty as guilty gets.

- Attempting to collect on a debt you have claimed I don't owe is FRAUD. How many times do I have to say that?

"Getting to him legally in Britain just takes a little more perserverance."

No, since we have broken no lawys you cannot "get to us".

- Patience, Grasshopper. All will become clear in time.

"Fortunately, I've got a lot of time on my hands."

Clearly. Not having a real job or life has its benefits, huh?

- Indeed. Not to mention that I've signed my name on more girls than you've stored on your hard drive. I lead a tough life, yeah.

"Lots of time to send packets to cyber-fraud investigation agencies, to post on websites like this one, and to answer phone calls and emails from said agencies."

Okay, let me know when you contact these (fictional) "agencies". I will be interested to see them laugh at you. You do not understand that we have broken no laws.

- Yeah, you moron. I'm gonna tell you who's watching you. Check the cc's on our emails.

"What he does will soon be illegal if it's not already."

No, running a highly successful and popular service is not ever going to be illegal, I don't believe.

- running your kind of scam is, though.

Nice try though.

- Thanks.

----

(Sigh.)

He's real tough because he knows Technogirl's not around to thrash him on the technical side. She'll be back next week. I hope I'm near a computer to see it.

You're right on one count, though, CyberScripts: I'm over my head to a degree, here. I'm not a Web Host. I worked as a legal writer for years, and now run a successful record company. I also manage and play in an international rock group. I've seen every kind of scam in the world -- I'm in the Rock and Roll business! This guy is dirty.

FastWebserver leases their space from Alabanza. Before I signed up with them I specifically asked them if they resell TH's services. They claimed not to.

My contact at fastwebserver seems pretty perturbed at whatever's happening with my site.

My first reaction was that TH had hacked my site. I might have been mistaken. I admitted to the error later in the article. HE, however, won't admit to anything -- maybe it's a manhood issue.

And finally, CyberScripts, excuse the profanity on my site. If it's any consolation, I probably didn't sign your daughter -- however, does she want a copy of our album?

;)

-- J.

cyberscripts

04-06-2000, 03:26 AM

I'm still having trouble understanding what you mean by "You sign people up, then you don't let them leave." You leave by not paying!

TH cannot try to collect anything from you once you have stopped paying because then you are breaking the policy they have and thus cancelling your account. Even if they try to collect anything from you, you should ignore them (block their email address if you have to) because once the policy between the two agreeing parties is broken there isn't anything either party can claim because its a done deal.

Also, anyone who knows anything about hosting should know that 99% uptime is just as lame as stating unlimited bandwidth, though almost 50% of webhosts claim this BS. It's not real. There is no machine on this planet that can offer 99% uptime and well... I assume TH states this because Alabanza states that is what they will deliver.

I've read TH's hosting policy/TOS and it states they don't give refunds or credits. Read the fine print! Lots of people will sign up for services and not read the entire policy either because it is too long or they think that some major issues pointed out in the policy won't apply to them.

I can see why TH thought IBill was a reseller, because back in 98 they had (I'm not sure if they still do) a plan called something like the 'resellers package' where people who offer non-tangible items could subscribe to that plan. The US office thing could have been a misunderstanding where TH was telling you where their servers (where you account is located) are at.

The technogirl website has lots of complaints from actual customers dating back before they moved to Alabanza and a little after with people who were still upset about things that happened when TH was with Colossus.

There aren't many emails there from any point after from actual customers from TH stating they were screwed, more emails state that people didn't trust them anymore (like the Maria emails).

"- bull$#!+. Your months of Overdue Notices and threats of "legal action" are harassment, however."

Overdue notices could be sent out by the system, which TH would have to stop manually I assume. Why they didn't stop it when you addressed it in the first place is beyond me. Threats of legal action. This is harassment from TH? I thought you were the first one to throw out that threat....

"- Attempting to collect on a debt you have claimed I don't owe is FRAUD. How many times do I have to say that?"

I thought you had attempted to collect something from TH too. What you were trying to collect from them, I don't know. But it sounds a bit silly. I don't think that type of attempt is considered fraud though.. in the US or in the UK.

Also, I wasn't just offended by the profanity on your site, also the strange pages that had a lot of offensive literature (such as the one with the customer service where it states you want some magazine with dogs ejaculating on girls). I thought that was the bad one that your host might find a violation of their TOS. I understand it is just humor, but some people take offense to that.

My daughter is still in her infant years, so no go on the album. Thanks for offering though :)

Davey

04-06-2000, 04:31 AM

"- Running web host, even a lousy one, is not a crime. Your scam, however, is. You sign people up, then you don't let them leave.
Your rates are so cheap that I can't imagine how many people don't bother to fight you about it. You're probably raking it in long
after people have moved on to less fraudulent pastures."

Of course we let people leave. We require a cancellation letter (signed of course) via fax, just like many other major hosts do
(webhosting.com, etc). Have you ever faxed us a valid cancellation request? Nope!

""If he was here in the States, the Feds -- and the IRS, 'cuz he doesn't have a license"

In the UK, we do not need a license. That means we are not doing anything wrong, it is not law over here so does not apply to us."

"-IF HE WERE HERE, IN THE STATES"

That is stupid, because if we were in the states and were required to have a license, then we would get one. But because we are not
required to, we do not. Do you not understand this? You are trying to attack us on something you don't seem to understand.

""False advertising"
What, exactly? Point to one single example.
- You advertise: "Guaranteed 99% Uptime""

Firstly, we do not actually guarantee uptime. Read our site. But in fact, we do very easily meet our target every single month.

"- Then when asked for a credit, you reply:
> We do not give refunds or credits. Unlucky!
- That is FALSE ADVERTISING."

Firstly, we did not write that exact sentence. And secondly we do not give refunds, that is our policy.

""libel"
No, it is you committing libel.
- I can back up everything I've said. You, however, cannot."

Yes, we can. It is called fact. You are a liar. Did we hack your site like you claimed? No. Prove it.

""doing business without a license"

We do not need a license, do you not understand how the law works?

- IF HE WERE HERE, IN THE STATES"

So then this does not apply to us, no?

""possibly criminal misrepresentation to avoid paying a debt (lying to a collections agent to avoid paying a debt is illegal)"

Really? We have never lied to anyone, we have no reason to.

1.) iBill is not a reseller"

Yes, they are a reseller. They provide a service called "reseller subscription service". Read: "reseller".

2.) You do not have a U.S. office

You do not know anything about our company, at all. We do indeed have a US presence.

"harassment
No, I believe you will find your continual references to prison rape,
-scares you, huh? It should."

No, it is strange. You should be the one scared about it, and you obviously have some kind of history that includes it.

"- bull$#!+. Your months of Overdue Notices and threats of "legal action" are harassment, however."

No, you have been told how much you owe and how to pay. Fact is, you have never sent us a valid cancellation request. Once you do
that, we can cancel your account.

"Also your continual threats of legal action when you know you have no case."

We do, actually. We have a VERY good case.
* Harassment
* Libel
* Outstanding business debts

"- We'll see how much of a case, I guess. BTW, who IS your lawyer?"

We are not going to provide you with any information.

"- Fraud is a deliberate deception perpetrated for unlawful gain. I'd say you're about as guilty as guilty gets."

No, we are not. That is libel. You are a liar.

"- Attempting to collect on a debt you have claimed I don't owe is FRAUD. How many times do I have to say that?"

You do indeed owe money, and you have been told how much many times.

""Getting to him legally in Britain just takes a little more perserverance."
No, since we have broken no lawys you cannot "get to us".
- Patience, Grasshopper. All will become clear in time."

You must be talking to your friend, a grasshopper on your shoulder.

""Fortunately, I've got a lot of time on my hands."
Clearly. Not having a real job or life has its benefits, huh?
- Indeed. Not to mention that I've signed my name on more girls than you've stored on your hard drive. I lead a tough life, yeah."

I do not keep names of girls on my hard drive. You are a strange person.

""Lots of time to send packets to cyber-fraud investigation agencies, to post on websites like this one, and to answer phone calls
and emails from said agencies."
Okay, let me know when you contact these (fictional) "agencies". I will be interested to see them laugh at you. You do not
understand that we have broken no laws.
- Yeah, you moron. I'm gonna tell you who's watching you. Check the cc's on our emails."

There is nobody. Exactly.

""What he does will soon be illegal if it's not already."
No, running a highly successful and popular service is not ever going to be illegal, I don't believe.
- running your kind of scam is, though."

That, again, is libel. You have not actually managed to show how we run any kind of scam.

"Nice try though.
- Thanks."

Not nice enough, though.

"He's real tough because he knows Technogirl's not around to thrash him on the technical side. She'll be back next week. I hope I'm
near a computer to see it."

Annette Howard is a well-known fraudster, she has obviously tricked you into believing her lies as well (you are easy to con,
right?)

"FastWebserver leases their space from Alabanza. Before I signed up with them I specifically asked them if they resell TH's
services. They claimed not to."

We don't give out information about customers, especially resellers. I'd liked to have helped you on this point.

"My contact at fastwebserver seems pretty perturbed at whatever's happening with my site."

You should ask them what they are doing over there, if they can't keep your site up.

"My first reaction was that TH had hacked my site. I might have been mistaken. I admitted to the error later in the article. HE,
however, won't admit to anything -- maybe it's a manhood issue."

We have not done anything wrong. At least you have admitted to libel - you claimed we hacked your site.

"however, does she want a copy of our album?"

I don't expect so. Unless she's really hard up for a good laugh.

cyberscripts wrote:

"I thought you had attempted to collect something from TH too. What you were trying to collect from them, I don't know. But it sounds a bit silly. I don't think that type of attempt is considered fraud though.. in the US or in the UK."

He has falsely tried to collect from us, when we have never requested any kind of service from him. If there is any fraud being committed here, it is by him.

Klaus

04-06-2000, 07:04 AM

Hmmm, I think the reply from Davey has proved everything. I think Davey should examine how other hosting companies address these sort of issues in forums.

They:

- Always remain polite, and curteous, even when a customer doesnt deserve it.
- Never get involved in slagging of other people, EVEN WHEN they themselves are slagged of.
- Explain fully the issue at hand, and allow the reader to make their own conclusion, based on the two arguments.
- Dont get carried away once they have made their initial point.

You have shown very little of these characteristics, which tends to make me think you are:

Either, unprofessional, young, have no concern for your business's reputation, or are a poor writer. Overall, something which would make me go elsewhere.

I personally hate the idea of giving money, and placing an important asset into the hands of someone who is untraceable, who doesnt have 'real-life' contact details. It makes me ask the question 'Why are they protecting their identity?'

Hey, Alabanza, webhosting.com, ***** even! have real-life contact details - I would be keen to discuss my hosting with you if i could speak with you over a land-line. Why dotn you provide this?

Very strange... I wouldnt trust you.

Klaus

04-06-2000, 07:20 AM

BTW Davey, if you are being honest about TrueHosting, then I can see how annoyed you could be getting by now. If the cliams are untrue, their persistance is now getting riduculous. I could understand that 'talking back' would be very tempting - but a tip - try to keep it polite :).

Also, it would be nice to see a UK based company doing something good over the net. It would sure make a difference!

fthosting

04-06-2000, 08:05 AM

You say you do not talk about clients this should also go for ex-clients as well you shouldnt really say on a public board if someone owes you money. Plus try to be polite :)

Paula V

04-06-2000, 10:53 AM

DAVEY!!!! Your a liar!!!!!... See I keep all the crap that has anything to do with you. This is an email I got from Colossus..

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"I would love nothing more but to send you ALL of this stuff, if I knew for sure it would do some type of good."

We are going to pull service on this company. We welcome any feedback about this company.

Eric

-----------
The stuff in " " was from me, that is what they sent back as a responce.. I quote "WE ARE GOING TO PULL SERVICE ON THIS COMPANY"..

What does that tell us? Just exactly what it says. It says it is going to pull service on TRUE HOSTING.. It doesn't say..."True hosting chose to leave us because our service doesn't work for him"...

STOP the lies.. It's not helping anyone. Especially you!...

Davey

04-06-2000, 11:11 AM

Klaus,

- Always remain polite, and curteous, even when a customer doesnt deserve it.

These individuals are not customers, they are people who owe us payment. They are trying to get out of their debt with us by libeling our company.

- Never get involved in slagging of other people, EVEN WHEN they themselves are slagged of.

When they lie about our company, we are not going to stand by and let them. We will make sure people know the truth.

- Explain fully the issue at hand, and allow the reader to make their own conclusion, based on the two arguments.

I have very clearly stated how these individuals are lying. Very simple, we have not done anything wrong.

- Dont get carried away once they have made their initial point.

I have spent the time to prove that they are lying. Nothing wrong with this.

"Either, unprofessional, young, have no concern for your business's reputation, or are a poor writer. Overall, something which would make me go elsewhere."

We are definately not unprofessional. Our company has built up a very good reputation indeed (do you see us having to spend big $$$ on advertising? Yet we have built up over 2000 customers in less than a year)

"I personally hate the idea of giving money, and placing an important asset into the hands of someone who is untraceable, who doesnt have 'real-life' contact details. It makes me ask the question 'Why are they protecting their identity?'"

We value our privacy, there is nothing wrong with this.

"Hey, Alabanza, webhosting.com, ***** even! have real-life contact details - I would be keen to discuss my hosting with you if i could speak with you over a land-line. Why dotn you provide this?"

We do not provide phone support, we prefer email. If you need phone support then by all means go with another host.

"Very strange... I wouldnt trust you."

That is fine, you should choose the host you feel meets your needs. I have never asked you to use our service, I am not here prospecting for new customers. I am defending our company against these liars and showing them to be what they truly are.

"BTW Davey, if you are being honest about TrueHosting, then I can see how annoyed you could be getting by now. If the cliams are untrue, their persistance is now getting riduculous. I could understand that 'talking back' would be very tempting - but a tip - try to keep it polite"

Exactly. They are making untrue claims (which are libelous). We are certainly not going to be nice to them, we are going to make sure they are exposed as the liars they truly are.

"DAVEY!!!! Your a liar!!!!!... See I keep all the crap that has anything to do with you. This is an email I got from Colossus.."

We ditched Colossus at the end of 1999 when customers started complaining about the connection being down. It was once down for an entire afternoon! This is completely unacceptable for any site, so we moved to Alabanza. Our clients have thanked us many times for the great improvement in performance and uptime (over 99.9%!!).

Colossus sucks, I wouldn't recommend anyone even look twice at their lame service. If they can't manage a network then they shouldn't try to run one.

I have addressed joey-the-liar and his false claims point-by-point above, and it is very clear that we have never done anything illegal and indeed are one of the best and most well respected hosts on the Internet.

Paula V

04-06-2000, 11:45 AM

Ok, I can't get enough today, so let's go further.. Sure anyone can cancel with True Hosting.. So how about letting me explain how I did..

I first wrote True Hosting saying I needed to cancel. (The modem in my PC got into a fight with some lightning.).. ANYWAY, I wrote them a email saying I needed to cancel....
------> I got a email back saying I needed to provide my subscription number.. No problem.. I emailed them back with the number...
------> They emailed me back saying I needed to call, to cancel.. No problem..BUT no number?
------> I emailed to get the number.... They emailed it back to me... INTERNATIONAL???? HUH?
------> I called the number.. (I have the phone bills) What's this? No answer? Ok try again...
Them: Hello (In a just woke up voice)
Me:Hello? Is this true hosting?
Them: Hang up.........
-----> Gesh this is Odd.... So. I will call again...the next day...
Them: Hello
ME: hello is this True Hosting..
Them: Yes
Me: I would like to cancel my service..
THEM: Ok hold on please...
(Five minutes later on an international call)
THEM: Could you call back later?
ME: Uh, well.. I guess...
Them: Hang up....
-----> I emailed Ibill and told them..
-----> Emailed True Hosting and complained about the above 3 phone calls...
-----> I got a replay from Ibill saying if I wanted to cancel my service I just needed to email Ibill and tell them so... SO I did.... on 7-17-99 I got a email subscription notice.. Saying I was PAID in full and will not be billed again...
-----> True hosting sends me email saying I needed to FAX them now, and cancel? HUH? I am already canceled I though... Ok.. so I get my fax ready to sent to them the email from Ibill, and a letter saying I am canceled and paid up....
-----> I get to the copy shop, where I do my faxes and tried 4 times to send the fax... The fax number DOES NOT WORK... (or didn't)..
-----> I emailed Ibill and True Hosting, Ibill asked me to call, true hosting sent me a bill...
----> Called Ibill, talked to Lynn there, she informed me True hosting has been doing this with everyone, just ignore any messages sent by True hosting, and do not send them any money.. Just ignore it...

Between a 11 day period I received the SAME email 48 times.. in 11 days??? That doesn't include the ones I didn't count. I am talking about 1-5 emails a DAY from True hosting saying I needed to pay... I finally spoke to Ibill again, and made SURE that I would/could not be billed on my credit card again... This was in November of 99... More than 5 months after I wanted to cancel..They informed me that I couldn't, wouldn't and shouldn't be billed again.. So to make it for sure, I called my credit card company and informed them of the problem, they spoke to Ibill, and after that my credit card company called me and informed me to cut my card up and send it back.. I was receiving a new card and number, and it should be here in a couple days.. I did so.. And up until 12-11-99 I got the same "PAYMENT DUE" email from True hosting.. They CALLED me at home, and they SENT me a letter in regular mail threatening to sue me.. They also sent me a email threatening to sue me because I put a message up on "Host Investigator" saying I wouldn't trust true hosting, I also included my story, etc..

Since December there have been no more emails from True Hosting... But that is when I desided to fight back.. And I have wrote the Federal Trade commission who asked me to send them all the information I had. Which I did... They still have not gotten ahold of me.. I am sure they are waiting for Annette's exchanges as well...

The reason I am doing this now, is because I am upset that A: when I signed up I signed up for the "first month free" thing, they billed me for it... (No big deal, but it still upset me).B: They hounded me to no end... come on in 11 days you get 48 emails all saying the SAME THING??? Who wouldn't be upset at that?
C: I am worried that they will not stop! Is it not ok to make sure that other people know what they are getting into before they sign up????

True Hosting in my OPINION, is not trust worthly.. I wouldn't trust them if they were the last standing. But like I said above that is MY opinion.. You can see for yourself on diffrent boards all around here what they have done.. INCLUDING this web site.. Just do a search...

Thank you for your time..
Paula
www.deja.com (http://www.deja.com) -alt.webmaster.com http://www.technogirl.net/99tales/weaselboy.htm http://www.google.com/search?q=True+Hosting http://www.hostinvestigator.com/go.asp?page=cgi&script=showreviews&id=109 http://www.rubybeach.com/TrueHosing.html http://www.netcheck.com/

MANY MANY MORE....

Joey the Saint

04-06-2000, 01:07 PM

> I have spent the time to prove that they are lying. Nothing wrong with this.

The hell you have, Davey. You've given me half-answers. Just like your half-service.

(Good morning, everyone! I'm back.)

Um, Davey, why don't you give me your real address? Why do you refuse to? Why do you still refuse?

Why did you give me a false name? Why are you using one, now?

Why aren't you licensed? Are you sure it's not mandated? That's not the information I've been given.

If you're not licensed, who pays your taxes?

> No, you have been told how much you owe and how to pay. Fact is, you have never sent us a valid cancellation request. Once you do
that, we can cancel your account

I DID send you a fax cancellation. You claimed to never have received it. You don't have an email address for your "billing dept" to verify fax receipt; "billing@truehosting.com" goes to you. ????

I ask again, are you the only one there?

I had to call to GB only to be hung up on. When I tried to re-fax, your fax machine was busy 99 times in row.

Your reply, and I quote:

> Our office is very busy.

Are THAT many people trying to get off your service that your fax would be so jammed? Not a good sign.

> We do not provide phone support, we prefer email. If you need phone support then by all means go with another host.

You prefer email? And yet you don't allow for email cancellation, nor do you give email verification of fax cancellation.

--> Davey did NOT have a TOS link on his signup page when I signed up for his service. He does, now.

> You do not know anything about our company, at all. We do indeed have a US presence.

Where?

Oh, that's right. You don't give out that information. My mistake.

> You do indeed owe money, and you have been told how much many times.

Did you READ what I posted? You said I don't owe you the money. Yet you still send me bills. Either I owe you, or I don't. I have it in writing (well, email), and I have a witness to you telling me over the phone that I don't owe you any money.

> We ditched Colossus at the end of 1999 when customers started complaining about the connection being down.

Um, no; Colossus booted you.

Davey: > Our clients have thanked us many times for the great improvement in performance and uptime (over 99.9%!!).

Cyberscripts: > anyone who knows anything about hosting should know that 99% uptime is just as lame as stating unlimited bandwidth, though almost 50% of webhosts claim this BS. It's not real.

Cyberscripts: > TH cannot try to collect anything from you once you have stopped paying because then you are breaking the policy they have and thus cancelling your account.

Say that over and over again ten thousand times and you won't convince Davey of it.
I guess you'd have to fax it to him -- but that might take awhile.

Cyberscripts: > I'm still having trouble understanding what you mean by "You sign people up, then you don't let them leave." You leave by not paying!

No, you don't. I haven't had service with him for months, now. He is still billing me, and racking up new charges and threatening me with collections.

Cyberscripts: > I've read TH's hosting policy/TOS and it states they don't give refunds or credits

Then what's with his Uptime Guarantee? How is it guaranteed if he doesn't give refunds or credits? That's false advertising. And he didn't have a TOS link on his signup page when I signed up.

Cyberscripts: > Why they didn't stop it when you addressed it in the first place is beyond me. Threats of legal action. This is harassment from TH? I thought you were the first one to throw out that threat....

He first threatened me with "legal action" and "collection action." It just so happens that my label and I have actual lawyers and an actual collection agent, so I beat him to the punch. I didn't know at the time that he makes only false threats; I wasn't about to assume that he was bluffing.

I asked for ALL my money back, since his service was never as he'd advertised. Incidentally, iBill cooperated completely, and gave me a full refund, on both sites -- they made it clear that they did this out of CUSTOMER SERVICE, not because my contract was with them.

Davey: > At least you have admitted to libel - you claimed we hacked your site.

I did not admit to libel. I admitted to making a mistake.

And hey, why was that defamatory page still up to begin with? Why did you change it once you found out the DNS pointed back to it, so it said "Site closed for non-payment?" Why do you deface your customers' (and ex-customers') sites when they take issue with you?
http://www.periscopeonline.net/disabled.htm

Why did the revised defamatory page read "non-payment" when I don't owe you any money?

J.W. St. John-Ryan http://www.periscopeonline.net

Davey

04-06-2000, 01:26 PM

"The hell you have, Davey. You've given me half-answers. Just like your half-service."

We do not owe you any answers.

"Um, Davey, why don't you give me your real address? Why do you refuse to? Why do you still refuse?"

We value our privacy. Period.

"Why did you give me a false name? Why are you using one, now?"

No, I gave you my real name.

"Why aren't you licensed? Are you sure it's not mandated? That's not the information I've been given. "

WE DO NOT NEED A LICENSE. Do you not understand this??

"If you're not licensed, who pays your taxes?"

This is none of your business.

"I ask again, are you the only one there?"

No, you have already been told this.

"> Our office is very busy.
Are THAT many people trying to get off your service that your fax would be so jammed? Not a good sign."

Nope, we have a busy office and are sending and receiving faxes all day. This is the result of having a popular company.

"> We do not provide phone support, we prefer email. If you need phone support then by all means go with another host.
You prefer email? And yet you don't allow for email cancellation, nor do you give email verification of fax cancellation."

Correct. We require a signature in order to take your site offline. Nothing wrong with that, it is a standard procedure.

"--> Davey did NOT have a TOS link on his signup page when I signed up for his service. He does, now."

Yes, our company has always made our TOS available on our order form. You are a liar. Prove otherwise.

"> You do not know anything about our company, at all. We do indeed have a US presence.
Where? "

We value our privacy, we are not going to give you any information.

"> You do indeed owe money, and you have been told how much many times.
Did you READ what I posted? You said I don't owe you the money. Yet you still send me bills. Either I owe you, or I don't. I have it in writing (well, email), and I have a witness to you telling me over the phone that I don't owe you any money."

You do owe us money, you have been told how much and how to pay it.

"> We ditched Colossus at the end of 1999 when customers started complaining about the connection being down.
Um, no; Colossus booted you."

No, they did not. They are going downhill VERY fast, and we got out early and moved to the world's most recommended NOC.

"Say that over and over again ten thousand times and you won't convince Davey of it.
I guess you'd have to fax it to him -- but that might take awhile."

You are required to cancel an account via fax, once payment is settled. Not paying does not mean your account is cancelled, it means you have a debt.

"No, you don't. I haven't had service with him for months, now. He is still billing me, and racking up new charges and threatening me with collections."

You cannot cancel until you settle payment. This has been made very clear to you.

"Then what's with his Uptime Guarantee? How is it guaranteed if he doesn't give refunds or credits? That's false advertising. And he didn't have a TOS link on his signup page when I signed up."

It is not a guarantee. We do not give refunds, this is our policy. We have ALWAYS had a link to our TOS on our order form.

"He first threatened me with "legal action" and "collection action." It just so happens that my label and I have actual lawyers and an actual collection agent, so I beat him to the punch. I didn't know at the time that he makes only false threats; I wasn't about to assume that he was bluffing."

Your immature threats are pathetic.

"I asked for ALL my money back, since his service was never as he'd advertised. "

It was delivered as we said it would be. We have a zero refund policy.

"Incidentally, iBill cooperated completely, and gave me a full refund, on both sites -- they made it clear that they did this out of CUSTOMER SERVICE, not because my contract was with them."

If they gave you the money you paid them back then that is upto them, they have their own policies.

"I did not admit to libel. I admitted to making a mistake."

You libelled our company by claiming we had hacked your site, which was a lie. That is libel.

"And hey, why was that defamatory page still up to begin with? Why did you change it once you found out the DNS pointed back to it, so it said "Site closed for non-payment?" Why do you deface your customers' (and ex-customers') sites when they take issue with you? "

We do not, we make people aware of why a site has been disabled.

"Why did the revised defamatory page read "non-payment" when I don't owe you any money?"

You do, and you have been told how much.

"Paula" - you are a liar. You are obviously another alias of Annette Howard, you are not fooling anyone. Go back to your pathetic life. The FTC obviously know you are a fraud, they have better things to do than listen to liars.

Joey the Saint

04-06-2000, 01:46 PM

Uh, Davey?

Annette is in the Carribean. Which is why you're writing right now; you know she doesn't have access to a box. She says so on the front page of her site.

Paula is not Annette Howard. Annette's writing style is very different from Paula's.

Unlike you, David Jarvis / Peter Francis-MacRae / Bradley Goodman / Annette Taylor (gender issues? None of my business) who consistently misspells the same words and uses the same bad grammar when you get angry.

You're so cute when you're mad.

J.W. St. John-Ryan http://www.periscopeonline.net

Paula V

04-06-2000, 02:38 PM

My pathetic life? Excuse me? You don't know me, nor who I am. Pathetic I think not.

Liar? I think not! I have it all.. Email's, snail mail, phone records, reciepts from the copy shop.. The FTC does not think I lie. Because they have in fact had other reports from OTHERS, about YOU... Why do you think you have a reference number with the FTC? REF #826543

Alias of Annette? I think not.. My IP addy is 206.252.228.104, my ISP is Bigsky.net.. THEY ARE LOCATED IN MISSOULA (and surrounding towns) MONTANA ONLY !!! That, my dear is where I am right now. I can't spell, type, or speak like her.. Get over it.. I am a totally diffrent person.. With a totally diffrent life.. Don't speak to me like you don't know who I am..

Oh and just so you don't claim this in a month or two..In May I am moving to Texas, my email address will be diffrent so will my IP number, but I can tell you right now, I will be the same person, with the SAME lawyer...

The only one not telling the truth here is YOU.. You know damn well what you did to me, and others.. YOU know and WE know, and I can guarentee it all catches up with you in the end...

Thank you for your time,
Paula
PS.. I am not the one claiming to be bought by "Vector Enterprises"... I am not the one claiming to have a lawyer on staff.. Wanna talk about pathetic? Go talk to yourself in the mirror..

Why don't you try to find a way to PROVE to me, that I am Annette? Huh? Can you do this? Please by all means tell me? How can I have a totally diffrent IP number, and service provider than Annette? And still be Annette..

Here want more info on True Hosting.. These people have the addy, phone, fax, etc of True Hosting..
http://netcheck.com/1405N99.htm

Davey

04-06-2000, 03:44 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Paula V:
Liar? I think not! I have it all.. Email's, snail mail, phone records, reciepts from the copy shop.. The FTC does not think I lie. Because they have in fact had other reports from OTHERS, about YOU... Why do you think you have a reference number with the FTC? REF #826543[/quote]

We do not have a reference number with the FTC, we do not communicate with them. They obviously do not want to waste their time with you Paula/Annette/Stephanie/Other 20 names you use. They have not had any genuine reports about us, they have had YOU lying to them. It is obvious they do not believe you.

Joey - you are a very strange and pathetic liar.

Nobody believes you, and the US authorities are after you already Annette/Paula/Whoever.

You cannot get over the fact we have not broken any law or done anything wrong.

Paula V

04-06-2000, 04:05 PM

OMG OMG OMG!!!! WHOA!!
I am kind of upset!

The US authorities are not after me.. I just posted my IP address.. Bigsky.net has all the information of me down at their office.. They have my phone number, address, and my checking account information.. DUH? If the US authorities were after me? Then why have they not knocked on my door??? HELLO?!?!??

Your upset because we are telling the truth and IN THE END IT WILL BE PROVEN we are...

**** my husband WORKS at the court house here in Montana?? If they were after me he would know about it.. Wouldn't the US authorities be talking to me by now? Come on this has been going on for months now? The US authorities would be on me like flies on you know what....

The owner of this web site has talked to the FTC..
http://www.dolemite.com/
I have talked to the FTC, many many others have talked to the FTC. The FTC knows what is going on and as soon as Annette sends her things off, I am sure the FTC will be in contact with you... Unfortunally I don't think your going to be a happy camper...

I will break out my scanner tonight, and scan the letter you sent me, the letter the FTC sent originally a while back stating in the letter your "company's" referance number, and then I will contact my lawyer and see if it will be ok for me to post it...

You can call me who ever you want.. In the END the truth will come out.. No worries now. What comes around goes around....

Joey the Saint

04-06-2000, 04:15 PM

Okay, Davey. You got us. You win. The gig is up.

Annette is actually me, and I'm actually Paula. And Paula is actually Tim Greer, who is actually KaioSama, who is the illegitimate son of Rowan Atkinson and Margaret Thatcher, who've been having depraved trysts with your mother since they were students at Fettes.

Which makes us nearly related, you and I. You've met the enemy, and we are you, you freaking moron.

I'm in the Carribean right now on a cruise ship, sunning on the Lido deck, which is why my IP address shows that I'm freezing my gonads off in Seattle. Next week, though, I'm on tour down the West Coast, at which time I'll also be Paula in Missoula -- much to the detriment of my female fans.

Meanwhile, the FBI, the FTC, Mickey Mouse, the Pope, and Santy Claus are all in the back of Scream Radio's tour vehicle, plotting your demise by ignoring you, generating fake report numbers, blackballing you from EuroDisney, excommunicating you, and marking you down for a big lump of coal in your stocking, buster.

And you saw through it all. You are brilliant.

- J.

Paula V

04-06-2000, 04:19 PM

ROTFLMAO.. haha

You forgot about the easter bunny, cupid and a few others..

Davey

04-06-2000, 04:36 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Joey the Saint:

Okay, Davey. You got us. You win. The gig is up.

Annette is actually me, and I'm actually Paula. And Paula is actually Tim Greer[/quote]

Exactly, you are a liar and a fraudster. You do not seem to understand that the FTC are not going to pursue us, because there is no reason to do so. We have not broken any laws. If you claim otherwise then you are committing libel. YOU ARE A FRAUD.

fthosting

04-06-2000, 04:45 PM

Hey guys. Why dont you give up. Davey aka the fraudster is saying all this to make you bite and your biting. Just simply say to him. Take me to court will save me legal costs when we do you over in court. How likely are they to take any of there ex-customers to court. They wont even provide there V.A.T(value added tax) number. which must be given to a client on request. Sorry guys dont ask me for one i dont have mine yet only requested mine on monday morning.

Joey the Saint

04-06-2000, 05:01 PM

Davey has all my legal contact info. He won't use it. He prefers to antagonize me via email and make hollow threats about unsubstantitated legal departments.

Not my fault he can't take a joke; must be an English thing.

Love ya, Davey. Don't go a'changin'.

At least, not until all the investigations are complete.

Mwaa-a!! Kisses,

(Insert Looney Tunes theme song)

-- J.

PS: Davey? Don't worry. There IS no Santy Claus.

fthosting

04-06-2000, 05:17 PM

Hey now do not dis the english im english :). You know nothing is going to come of his pathetic threats so why dont we all just go live happily ever after use our current hosts and forget truehosting.com. If people find it so hard to forget them why dont all the unhappy customers club together make a hosting company of there own. And once created use this to provide homes of all the sites that are to become homeless when truehosting.com meet there match and vanish capputs end of story.

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Signing off for now Eddie

Paula V

04-06-2000, 05:28 PM

One of the things I learned in life is to never lie. Not only because it is hurtful, but it ALWAYS CATCHES up with you in the end.

I can deal with what Truehosting did to me. That is not a problem. I would almost walk away happy if he would just say he was sorry. BUT, what makes me mad and upset is that HE STILL IS DOING THIS, to many other people.

I know I shouldn't care about it, I know I shouldn't have to deal with it. But, I would like it to be known that he has screwed up in the past, and when people look for a host I hope that they consider not signing up with him becuase of what he has done IN THE PAST..

Like I said, no worries, he can call me what he wants, he can assume my life is pathetic, and he can try to convince people I am Annette, but it is all going to come out in the end.. Period... :o)
Happy host hunting.. I am signing off for the day... Asta

Paula

Davey

04-06-2000, 06:37 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by fthosting:
Hey now do not dis the english im english :). You know nothing is going to come of his pathetic threats so why dont we all just go live happily ever after use our current hosts and forget truehosting.com. If people find it so hard to forget them why dont all the unhappy customers club together make a hosting company of there own. And once created use this to provide homes of all the sites that are to become homeless when truehosting.com meet there match and vanish capputs end of story.

[/quote]

We will not be vanishing, ever, thanks.

You have a debt with our company that you will be forced to pay.

You applied for service - a reseller account. This was set up as promised and everything works. You then added domains to your account, all of which work fine. You made a mistake with one of the domains (a typo) when you set it up. This was your fault. This does not mean you do not have to pay us - it was YOUR mistake and you admitted to this. We still provided the service you agreed to pay for.

Needless to say that you will be forced to pay.

And no, we do not need to provide any VAT number. We do not have to give you any informationa at all.

Fizzer

04-06-2000, 07:46 PM

So "Davey", tell me this:

Back in the "Web Hosting is a Joke" thread on this system, you posted a message on 3-11-2000 stating this:

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I don't want to boast, but if one single guy can build up that customer base in around 8 months, with no advertising budget, in his spare time, then it shows that a lot of companies must be doing something very wrong
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And then just today, Joey posted a message with this: "I ask again, are you the only one there?"

and your response was:
"No, you have already been told this."

So either you have hired a bunch of people recently (which is I'm sure what you'll claim), or you have caught yourself in your own lie (definitely not the first time, that's for sure!)

How long has True Hosting been in business?
How many employees do you have? If it's more than just you there, settle the issue and have one of them come on here. In the past you've appeared under many different names, yet it was always very obvious that it was only you all along.

And speaking of your 99% Uptime Guarantee. Your own site at http://www.truehosting.com/information/looking_for_a_host.htm
says this near the bottom:
"True Hosting has a 99.9% uptime guarantee."

So how exactly do you back up that guarantee? You have maintained all along that you do not give refunds, so what happens when that 99% uptime is not achieved (and don't lie to me and say that you will never drop below 99%. There's way to many unforeseen things that can happen) How do you make good on the guarantee that is right there on your web page right this very second? (All of you reading this who think that Davey is being unfaily picked on, go to that page quick, because he'll probably change it) You can't say there's a guarantee, and then when the terms are not met, just say "no refunds, unlucky!". That's not how a guarantee works. What's that I smell? *sniff* *sniff* Smells like false advertising to me. Hmmm.

Here's how a REAL guarantee works. And this one is from Alabanza themselves at: http://www.alabanza.com/ourguarantee.html
Here's what it says:
If we receive a client's e-mail by 5:00 PM Eastern Time, we guarantee a human-generated response from our technical support team by midnight that same business day. If we don't provide this level of service, we will refund the client one day for every day that we are late.

Note the key words "we will refund"!!!! That's what makes their guarantee valid, and is exactly why yours is worthless! Notice that they refund money just for not answering an email! Your site doesn't even have to go down to get that refund. Now >THAT'S< what >I< call being a leader in customer service!

Fizzer

04-06-2000, 07:54 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by cyberscripts:
[B]I'm still having trouble understanding what you mean by "You sign people up, then you don't let them leave." You leave by not paying!
TH cannot try to collect anything from you once you have stopped paying because then you are breaking the policy they have and thus cancelling your account.[/Q][/quote]

Yeah, seems like it should work like that, huh? Not in the magical, mixed up, maniacal world of True Hosting. You get harassed instead. Neat how that works.

(and Davey, this is not Annette, unless I somehow changed gender and transported to California)

Fizzer

04-06-2000, 08:02 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>
"Annette Howard on the other hand has posted lots of stuff on her website that lots of people have read (they could be true, but a good lawyer can twist the words around to make her out to be the liar) which could stand in a court of law.... but still if she just deleted the site she couldn't be sued for crap."

Don't worry, we have taken copies of her site. She has basically faked email exchanges, used fake names (look at the number of so-called "victims" using hotmail or yahoo.com, with named like "Terry" or "Mike". Impossible to trace, because they do not even exist.
[/quote]

Think about it, what reason would she have for doing such a thing? She stands to gain nothing from it. Be logical, don't just claim she's some psychopath running around trying to bring down companies by making up stuff. If that were the case, then where's the web pages she's done with complaints about other companies? And how would that explain the complaints that other people have posted on their own web pages? Are you claiming that Annette is actually the one running all those other sites? If you honestly believe that, then you are being delusional, but I don't think you really believe that. I think you're hoping that others out here, potential customers, will believe you and sign up with you. Be logical Peter. That claim is totally outlandish and no one is falling for it. Time to try a new claim.

Private Joker

04-06-2000, 08:18 PM

David,

If you have an office in the United States, what is the address? What is the business liscence number? YOU MUST HAVE ONE TO LEGALLY CONDUCT BUSINESS IN THE UNITED STATES. This is public information and it is demanded, failure to provide this is a felony. Operating a businees, be it headquarted or have an office in the US requires that you obtain a business liscence.

Also, while checking out your security information on your site I noticed it was plagarized from the Alabanza sight. Which leads me to believe you don't have access to the servers, since they would be at Alabanza which is in the US.

On your home page you state that you guarantee 15 minutes set up, but in your terms of service you state you don't guarantee anything. So what is it?

If you really did have a US office you'd be closed so fast, it'd make your head spin.

Joey the Saint

04-06-2000, 08:30 PM

You know, Fizzer, I'm going to be in California next week. Careful; I might wind up being you for a little while.

Incidentally: YOU ROCK.

Hey, Davey; if fthosting is in the UK and you're in the UK, and he says you need a license and you say you don't; um, one of you is lying. He offered the proof earlier in this thread.

-- J.

PS: Davey, check the IP's. I'm not actually Fizzer, nor do I truly expect to be Fizzer at any time in the near future.

Paula V

04-06-2000, 09:11 PM

Wow? Look at all these people I am today, or they are me? Or no they are Annette.. heheh..

Anyway, yes fthosting has said that even in the UK you need a lic? SO I emailed him my physical addy, and he is sending me a offical letter that states this as well as the fact that "Davey" doesn't have one. Even if he were to get one now, he was doing buisness without it... Hmmmm.. PROBLEM!!!.. lol

We shall see huh?

Private Joker

04-06-2000, 09:38 PM

Oops, forgot how to spell license for some reason.

cyberscripts

04-06-2000, 10:11 PM

*laughs*

This is the funniest thread I have ever read....

This group of 5-10 ex-clients contacting the FTC trying to demolish a company that has over 1,000 clients. You really think they are going to be taken out of business? The FTC would not do that because those 1,000 clients would loose more than the 5-10 ex-clients lost. If anything, the FTC would fine TrueHosting a large sum and move on.

I've read many UK websites that help people start their own businesses and I have not come across any yet that say they require a license. They do require a VAT number to pay their taxes and what not. They are not obligated to give this number out to any ex-client (who are all the ones on this board asking for it) though...

Again, I point out that all these unsatisfied customers range back from 1999 before their move to Alabanza (which I assume are the offices TH talks about that are located in the US where the servers they pay for are located at).

All those guarantee things... why do hosts do that? I swear, almost every single one has those claims and then the TOS states otherwise. *sigh* Hosting is not a truthful business...its all a bunch of crap because they are online and they can take advantage. :(

fthosting seems to say things against TH, then they back em' up. Maybe those two are the same persona or something... *lol*

I don't think that either Annette, Paula or Joey are the same person. They are, however, friends and they all want the same thing to be accomplished (who all got hosting from TH back in 1999 I think). You all must be in your 20's or something, because if you were a little older and wiser you would realise that this entire thread and contacting the FTC is going to go nowhere.

At first I started posting in this thread because I thought some satisfied customers were going to loose something (and yes, there are statisfied customers because they are getting hosting services indirectly from Alabanza and they are very good with all the technical stuff). Now I don't even care because I know more now from researching that this type of arguement will go nowhere.

fthosting is right on one thing. You guys should try to run your own hosting company... I would really like to see how long you would last. Hosting is not easy, if you read the thread about 'web hosting is a joke' you'll know what I mean.

Anyhow, if TH was really a fraud do you really think 'he' or the 'company' would still be running under the same name? I don't think so...

TH, please take my advice. Don't post anything more on this board... It really is pointless because the only ones here are your ex-clients who are out to do you in.

Your business is definetely different now since your move to Alabanza (who I contacted recently and say they have not recieved any complaints from any current TH client). I can imagine now why your support staff takes 3 days to answer emails.. they are probably trying to sort out real support mail from the emails this group of angry people send.

After all this, I would actually get hosting by TH now. All the complaints I've found are not from current date, they all go back from when they were with Colossus (and even if they did dump TH, it was probably because of the complaints from this group).

I hope TH has luck in getting these ex-clients off their back soon, maybe then they could return to being on top of support email issues.

To the group of unhappy ex-clients. Good luck in finding a different host that provides the needs you desire. I believe everyone deserves to be satisfied with what they pay for, but if you end up getting duped... to know the smartest thing is to move on and grow with the experiences you have acquired.

One last note of advice to Joey-the-Saint, you should get those pages off your site soon (the ones about ejaculating dogs on girls and cockrings, etc)... your host might be checking it out soon and find it not exactly to their liking.

Hopefully this will be the end to this thread, if not oh well. I'm leaving town shortly so I won't be able to add anymore here, though I'm sure if it does continue it will all be very entertaining to read when I get back. Got to go pack some stuff now soo...

Good night, and good luck to all of you. :)

Joey the Saint

04-06-2000, 11:32 PM

Well, Scripts, we're betting that you're wrong. Because TH's M.O. seems to be the sort of thing that could conceivably affect ALL his clients (and I don't remember where I read this, but it's been speculated that he has nowhere NEAR 2000 clients -- he's the only one who throws that number out there), no matter what his number, we're hoping that the FTC or DTI will take him down.

And you're still not accounting for his obvious lies and deceit, which are spread across this site like a piping-hot slather of mayonnaise. The guy is the most irresponsible and crooked businessman I've ever dealt with (and I re-iterate, I'm in the music business so that's saying a lot) and he deserves to be run out of town. If the FTC only fines him heavily, GREAT!! An FTC ruling opens the door for civil $uits.

I have no interest in running a Web Host. Frankly, you people must be out of your minds; your job mixes the worst of both ground-level customer service and top-level I-T. Sheesh. Count me out. I've got a whole other skillet of slop on the stove already.

As for my site content: when was the last time you went to a comedy club?

My writings are no worse than much of the contemporary humorous social commentary or rants you'd find on YAHOO! though it's not meant for children; for that matter, George Carlin, Henry Rollins, Dan Savage, and Dennis Leary say FAR worse, and they've published BOOKS that don't have parental consent stickers.

I'm sorry if my brand of humor doesn't click with yours but my subscribers love it, and this is America. We just live in different parts of it, you and I.

I write what I know; I live in a world in which cockrings and piercings and dirty jokes and the occasional sidewalk punch-up are regular occurrences. I am in no way promoting pornography and you'll find none on my site. It's just stories told with some dirty words.

That said; pax vobiscum, and clear skies. Have a nice trip.

-- Joey the Saint

Paula V

04-07-2000, 12:07 AM

Joey said most of what I would of. Although I am not into this whole thing for $$$$$$.. I just want it to be known that Truehosting has made alot of mistakes, when you concider signing up for a host, consider the fact presented by BOTH sides. Then make your own opinion. Either got for it, or don't.. But you have been warned.

I stick to what I said earlier, I would almost be happy if True Hosting sent me a appology.

2000 probably not. Seems how Annette and a few others were able to email most of them in less than a couple days.. Suuuurrreee, he has had a few sign ups.. But I would almost bet it is less than 2000... What ever.. That's not my point..

If the FTC just fines him.. COOL... Something was done and that is that... If True Hosting emails me a short, sweet, happy email saying nothing but "Sorry"... COOL!!!! I will take it.. But I will still voice MY opinion of them and what they did to me when I WAS signed up and trying to cancel. That is my right! I have the right to voice my OPINION just like he has the right to voice his OPINION about me... That's it..
Happy host hunting..
Thanks for your time,
Paula

Paula V

04-07-2000, 12:22 AM

If you sit there long enough... Staring at the screen, you can come up with enough excuses for everything... WE might believe them too... DUH!

fthosting

04-07-2000, 08:47 AM

Hello Folks, Well some rather good devolpemnts are taking place for me and truehosting.com. i can now sting them for divulging personal information without clients consent. Which may not be against the law in other countrys but is here. and the debt is only around 15 days old which gives me 6 days in which to pay 21 days is the legal requirment. Then a further 21 days is required by law for final notice. at which time you must suspend the account and contact the correct authorites. so what gives you the idea ive broken the law ? im working within the law. Im also meeting with the citzens advice bureau. dunno if you have that in the states ?. Once a meeting with them has taken place ive been told i have to contact west yorkshire trading standards as they are my local government agency to contact. After this the legal advice will be taken upon by the following legal firm. Chivers walsh and smith co. I will be having a meeting a 30 minute meeting under the green form act which allows me 30 minutes free with a solcitor then of which the solcitor will apply for legal aid. So whens the best time to get a court hearing. it will have to be a test trail in a small fines court as the high courts in the uk wouldnt waist there time on a small petty fee when it costs them £60,000 a day just to get the judge to turn up.

Davey

04-07-2000, 10:19 AM

A few facts:

The FTC can do nothing. They cannot fine us, nor shut us down.

Firstly - We have not done anything wrong, nor broken any laws
Secondly - Our company is not based in the US
Thirdly - They cannot shut down our office, you are just dreaming.

Paula/Annette/Whoever - we have nothing to apologize for. We did nothing wrong.

You do not need a license to do business in the UK. Fact.

You do not need a VAT registration number, we do not charge VAT.

We do indeed have over 2000 clients. THAT is why we are expanding our business and staff.

Get over it, we have not broken any laws or done anything wrong.

Cyberscripts is right - "contacting the FTC is going to go nowhere".

"if TH was really a fraud do you really think 'he' or the 'company' would still be running under the same name? I don't think so...".

Right again.

Joey-the-liar wrote: "we're hoping that the FTC or DTI will take him down"

You are WISHING. It's not gonna happen, there is no legal violation.

"MUST HAVE ONE TO LEGALLY CONDUCT BUSINESS IN THE UNITED STATES"

We are not based in the US, we do NOT need a license. Anybody can open an office in the US, we are still a UK based company.

"Also, while checking out your security information on your site I noticed it was plagarized from the Alabanza sight."

No, we use their network and so have used the information they provdie about their network to inform our clients about how fantasticly fast and reliable our service is. It is not plagarized, they let us.

"Which leads me to believe you don't have access to the servers, since they would be at Alabanza which is in the US."

We do indeed have full access to our servers, they run an NOC not a prison camp.

"Think about it, what reason would she have for doing such a thing?"

She is a fraudster. Obviously has no life or real job, and tries to scam people online. Sad, really.

We do not give refunds, this is our policy. Nothing wrong with this at all.

When I talk about one person building up the business, I mean that I have full ownership of the company (nobody else takes any of the profit). I did not need anyone to finance it, or help pay for growing the business.

If we do not provide great service, then do you think 2000 customers are all wrong? Doubtful, really.

We are not doing anything wrong, we are never going to be "shut down", as much as you may wish or claim. Get over it and get a real life of your own.

fthosting

04-07-2000, 10:50 AM

Folks i got news due to a phone conversation and talking to other business practices i can no longer divuldge any more information on my personal case as it would damage any action i will be taking..

But the above posting brings me into a state of laughter so i must reply. VAT is a must even if you only trade at a sunday market you need a vat number for them nice guys at the tax office now watch out for the guy in a lil black suit and black bowler hat coming your way cos im off to phone the inladn revenue.

I will send paula and anyone else who wants this sort of information in a letter on monday morning if you want want all this in an offical letter mail me at webmaster@fthosting.co.uk. I find it funny how truehosting.com dont know the law.

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Signing off for now Eddie

Davey

04-07-2000, 11:12 AM

No, we do NOT need a VAT number, nor do we want one.

Wrong again!

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by fthosting:
Folks i got news due to a phone conversation and talking to other business practices i can no longer divuldge any more information on my personal case as it would damage any action i will be taking..

But the above posting brings me into a state of laughter so i must reply. VAT is a must even if you only trade at a sunday market you need a vat number for them nice guys at the tax office now watch out for the guy in a lil black suit and black bowler hat coming your way cos im off to phone the inladn revenue.

I will send paula and anyone else who wants this sort of information in a letter on monday morning if you want want all this in an offical letter mail me at webmaster@fthosting.co.uk. I find it funny how truehosting.com dont know the law.

[/quote]

fthosting

04-07-2000, 11:33 AM

wrong dont think so. phone your local trading standards agency up ask them they inform you that you do need a VAT number because all earnings from a business need to be sent to the inland revenue so they can do tax deductions but anywayz im keeping my mouth shut now leaving to the guys who know there S***.

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Signing off for now Eddie

Joey the Saint

04-07-2000, 01:05 PM

And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is how Davey gets away with it.

-- J.

fthosting

04-07-2000, 01:08 PM

Correct Admin bar the business register bit you do need to by law now. Well anywayz i cannot comment any further because of legal reasons. But this company is well and trully in for some major hell from me i wont lie down and let them walk over me.

Well if they earnt at the rate of $240,000 a year thats around £226.415.09p which is well over the £50,000 also there average turn over would be slightly more than that with the packages they offer.

i live here http://193.218.160.39/streetmap.dll?tile2map?tile=SE13&largeuk=Y&zoom=3?168,205 dont forget that davey :0). did a search on all of the streets listed with you couldnt find none oh well. just me

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Signing off for now Eddie

Davey

04-07-2000, 01:27 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by fthosting:
Correct Admin bar the business register bit you do need to by law now. [/quote]

No, you do not. We are not going to register with anyone, we do not need to. You have NO clue what you are talking about, obviously.

We also do not want to register or pay VAT, like "admin" pointed out. We are not going to. End of story.

Conclusion: We are not breaking any laws.

Joey the Saint

04-07-2000, 01:42 PM

Well, that's half an answer, Davey.

How do you account for the fact that your street address doesn't exist, your company doesn't exist, the company that bought you doesn't exist, and the checks go your Dad?

Hmm. If you had "over 2,000 clients," you'd have to register for VAT whether you "wanted to" or not.

50,000 pounds is. . . what, $80,000 +/- by my math. Figure at $10 per month, broken down into twelve months -- you'd have to have less than 666 clients or you'd be breaking the law.

(666 - Coincidence? Do the math yourself! Proof he is SATAN.)

Davey

04-07-2000, 02:44 PM

"How do you account for the fact that your street address doesn't exist, your company doesn't exist, the company that bought you doesn't exist,"

Yes, they do exist.

" and the checks go your Dad?"

What are you talking about? Learn to write English.

"Hmm. If you had "over 2,000 clients," you'd have to register for VAT whether you "wanted to" or not. "

No, we do not have to.

"50,000 pounds is. . . what, $80,000 +/- by my math. Figure at $10 per month, broken down into twelve months -- you'd have to have less than 666 clients or you'd be breaking the law."

We have over 2000 customers, thanks. We are not breaking any law.

Private Joker

04-07-2000, 03:29 PM

OK, I'm confused, do you have a US office or not, David?

Joey the Saint

04-07-2000, 03:36 PM

Wow. Here I am, arguing with someone over whether or not he exists. Far out, man. How existential can you get?

Peter / Davey, where the hell is 57 Avenue Street? I don't see it on any map I've yet found.

Who was the guy who answered the phone the second time I called, and said he was your Dad, and identified himself as Leslie Francis-MacRae? You weren't in.

Other people have talked to him, as well; go to
http://www.technogirl.net/99tales/weaselboy

"David Jarvis" gave my collections agent the address 24 Brandon St. Neots, which I can't find on a map anywhere. I assume it's bogus.

The address I have listed (and verified) for you now is:

23 Bedford St
St. Neots
Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire
PE191AX

Do you not get your checks there? You got the knee pads.

----

You wrote:

We also do not want to register or pay VAT, like "admin" pointed out

but Admin had written:

you do not have to register for VAT unless your turnover is greater than £50,000

If you're making less than 50,000 pounds (U.S. Keyboard, no pound sign, sorry) then you have less than 666 victims -- er, clients. That's the way the math works. Prove it otherwise, or are my calculations off? 80,000 / 12 / 10 = 666.66666667

Maybe "Avenue Street" exists in a land where companies pay taxes only if they want to. In which case, I want directions.

fthosting

04-07-2000, 03:44 PM

Joey go here http://www.sitemaps.co.uk i thinks if it aint there then it dont exist. Aurevoir.

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Signing off for now Eddie

Davey

04-07-2000, 03:47 PM

We have never given you any such address. You are a liar.

We do NOT need to register VAT. We have over 2000 clients.

You are making up more lies.

Joey the Saint

04-07-2000, 03:53 PM

If you look a few posts up, you'll see I listed his Dad's address as 23 Brandon.

Sorry about that. I had my addresses screwed up. I am buried under a heap of bull- ah, let's call it "conflicting information" from Davey / Peter / Annette Taylor / Bradley Goodman / David Jarvis.

Even he can't keep his stories straight, how am I supposed to?

Incidentally, I just looked on his site: his checks for his website go to a P.O. Box in St. Neots, but Fed Ex apparently delivers to him at 23 Bedford.

Sorry for the confusion.

I'm done here. I've made my point way too many times and though I could keep bashing him all day -- I've got tons of ammo left -- I think I've softened him up enough. He's yours. Me, I'm gonna go have a few Jack Daniels and an eggroll or two.

Rock and Roll,

Joey St. John-Ryan
Exhibit-A Records / SCREAM RADIO www.screamradio.com (http://www.screamradio.com)
personal http://www.periscopeonline.net

fthosting

04-07-2000, 04:21 PM

Joey get me a double jack daniels. i buy you a bottle of champagne in a few months when everything is done and dusted :).

Follower of the Saint

04-07-2000, 04:39 PM

I'm reading this, and one thing seems clear, "David," your grammar and spelling are equalivalent to those of Peter.

Oh, and Peter, we've now found evidence that you used to be a good guy, remember webmansion.com and I-Sales Helpdesk #158 and #159. Okay, sure you sold spamware before that, Email Platinum, anyone, but you showed promise as a good guy. Shame that you had to go and get yourself all twisted.

Paula V

04-07-2000, 04:41 PM

What amazes me is that he STILL thinks I am Annette.. Actually what pisses me off is that he KNOWS I am not. After all, he has my number, my address.. etc..

Oh well.. lifes a beach... Enough said.. I am not even going to humor him with what he said above. I know what my lawyer said, and what my lawyer is doing.. Like i said... Enough Said.. Asta peeps

Fizzer

04-07-2000, 04:46 PM

Davey, you have conveniently ignored most of my questions.

Just answer me this one very simple question, that you, as a business owner, should know they answer to, and that you are responsible for:

On your site at: http://www.truehosting.com/information/looking_for_a_host.htm
on April 7, 2000 at 1:47PM PDT
You say this:
If your host does not guarantee a certain amount of uptime per month then they have absolutely no incentive to make sure their servers are working correctly. Remember that a 99% uptime guarantee that some hosts promise still means that they may have over 7 hours a month of downtime, which is unacceptable. True Hosting has a 99.9% uptime guarantee.

What do you do in the case when your uptime drops below 99.9%? How do you back up that guarantee?

Fizzer

04-07-2000, 05:01 PM

Davey, here's another nugget from your own web page at http://www.truehosting.com/information/looking_for_a_host.htm

Do they run their own servers?
While resellers are a very good way to get value-added services, if they are not up-front about this then it cannot say much for their honesty. True Hosting maintains its own servers, and has full control over them at all times. This means that we can make changes to your account and solve any issues very quickly, not having to rely on any other company.

I particularly like this part:
"if they are not up-front about this then it cannot say much for their honesty"

Are you, or are you not a reseller for Alabanza? Are you up front about it? Where on your web page do you say that you are a reseller for Alabanza? You're right! "if they are not up-front about this then it cannot say much for their honesty." Let's just say that your honesty is in serious question.

That paragraph implies that you are not a reseller and that you have your own servers, which you and I both know is not true. They are Alabanza's servers. You say you have full control of them at all times. Let's say you wanted to increase the memory or add aditional hard drive storage or something like that? Could you walk down the hall into your state-of-the-art server room and make those changes? Sure, you could do that except for one small thing: The Atlantic Ocean! Doesn't sound like full control to me.

Why aren't you up-front about being a reseller, just like you warn that other hosting companies should be?

Fizzer

04-07-2000, 05:05 PM

Ironic, just now (April 7, 2000. 2:07PM PDT), www.truehosting.com (http://www.truehosting.com) stopped responding, yet I can still connect to other sites. Some times you just have to sit back and smile...

fthosting

04-07-2000, 05:30 PM

Frizzer you got some very good points. Hey Davey i saved those pages in case you decide to change them before i manage to get you into court. There dated and signed by a security gaurd :) my friend and me :)

Annoyed

04-07-2000, 05:50 PM

This post is getting really old. I thought this forum was for discussing web hosting. What you guys are talking about has nothing to do with web hosting.

All you people who think Davey from TH is going to get jail time better start wishing really hard. The most he will get is a small slap on the wrist.

You guys sound like little kids, bitching at eachtother.

Matt do us a favor and close this thread.

Peace,
Annoyed

Fizzer

04-07-2000, 05:58 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Annoyed:
This post is getting really old. I thought this forum was for discussing web hosting. What you guys are talking about has nothing to do with web hosting.[/quote]

I think discussing the very questionable practices of a web host company has everything to do with web hosting. Isn't the whole purpose of HostInvestigator to provide a service to people looking into web hosting?

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>
All you people who think Davey from TH is going to get jail time better start wishing really hard. The most he will get is a small slap on the wrist.
[/quote]

Honestly, I don't know what will happen. I don't think he's going to jail either. And a slap on the wrist at least brings attention to the situation and then the "slapper" knows who to watch out for and "slappee" better watch it. But I don't think we can just sit back and ignore what's going on.

Besides, the threads here are clearly divided by topic, it's a simple matter to not click on this one.

Davey

04-07-2000, 06:53 PM

No, we are not a reseller of Alabanza. We use their NOC (which is great), we have our own servers located there.

We do not resell for anyone.

Nobody from True Hosting will ever be getting a "slap on the wrist" or anything else, thanks.

fthosting - dream on.

Private Joker

04-07-2000, 07:12 PM

You have your servers located there?! Which are located more than 3000 miles from you?! Good deal! Where is your US office?

[This message has been edited by Private Joker (edited 04-07-2000).]

Paula V

04-07-2000, 10:09 PM

Annoyed:
It is this very thing that people out there are looking for. Yes this particular thread has alot of things in it that should probably be talked about else-where.. But in all actuality if you were new to the net, and had no idea what to look for wouldn't you take comfort in knowing that when you see a company name on the net, there is a place people have talked about it..? Both good and bad.

My point is, when people go host hunting most know what they are looking for and what to stay away from. But here on this very thread it talks about problems that company has had. What _SOME_ of the ex clients had problems with, and what true hosting did, has done, will do to fix it.

Apparently your not interested in reading, or seeing the problems. So why is it you clicked on the link that plainly shows that this thread is a discussion for "True Hosting"..

What happens when people out there need to know info on certain companies, or just have questions? Are you going to shun them and hope that they don't ask too many questions? Isn't that why "Host Investigator" is here? Honestly?

Well enough about that.. Sorry your tired of it. I am too.. But I once was that "New to the Net" Person, and if I would of seen the things here, I definatly would of asked more questions before signing up with True Hosting in the first place.

Thank you for your time.

Davey

04-08-2000, 12:04 AM

Good, keep your big mouth shut because you do not know what you are talking about.

We do NOT need a VAT number, nor do we want one, nor are we going to get one.

End of story.

Joey the Saint

04-08-2000, 12:07 AM

True Hosting does not exist as a company, not that anyone can find. The street address listed with NSI, 27 Avenue Street, is bogus. The website payments (he can't take VISA anymore) are mailed to his father's house, 23 Brandon St. Neots.

Vector Enterprises, the company that "David Jarvis" claims "bought" TH from Peter Francis-MacRae back in 1999, does not exist that anyone can find.

Davey is right, to a degree: he doesn't need a license because his business fronts are bogus, and he's doing business under a fake name.

Which means he's

-- all together, now --

A LIAR.

Q.E.D.

And, strangely, for this reason alone he seems to think that he'll never get caught.

Davey, why would you do this, unless you're a con artist? Why would any legitimate businessman do this?

-- J.

PS: My businesses are licensed, and my address is on file, so don't start.

Fizzer

04-08-2000, 12:09 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by cyberscripts:
I can imagine now why your support staff takes 3 days to answer emails.. they are probably trying to sort out real support mail from the emails this group of angry people send.[/quote]

What support staff? It's just that one guy.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I hope TH has luck in getting these ex-clients off their back soon, maybe then they could return to being on top of support email issues.[/quote]

So he could get back to passing the buck to someone else when a problem does arise.

I'll admit one thing, from what I hear, changing to Alabanza has indeed benefitted TH (regardless of who you believe on why TH left Colossus). The problems popped up when people tried to leave TH because of the poor quality of service. That's when Davey showed that TH is exactly the opposite of what being a leader in customer service is all about. To charge people for promised services that were never provided is a definite problem. And that is what has gotten everyone so riled up. Defacing client's web sites saying that they are a fraud goes so far beyond the bounds of a civilized company, it staggers the mind.

fthosting

04-08-2000, 12:10 AM

i wanna bite i wanna bite but nope ill keep calm. Anywayz Id like a current client like me whos with truehosting to come and say something good about them and prove to me that when they answer emails to you it doesnt feel like they are talking down to you like a little kid. And also have you had more than 1% downtime.

Fizzer

04-08-2000, 12:13 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Joey the Saint:

You know, Fizzer, I'm going to be in California next week. Careful; I might wind up being you for a little while.

Incidentally: YOU ROCK.
[/quote]

I've been following all this TH stuff way back when the only person who had a complaint on the technogirl site was Annette herself. It's frankly amazing to see the amount of inconsistancies, false statements, and dodging of accusations that TH has done. And I'm not even a former or current TH subscriber.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>PS: Davey, check the IP's. I'm not actually Fizzer, nor do I truly expect to be Fizzer at any time in the near future. [/quote]

I certainly hope not! I don't think my wife would appreciate it! :-)

Private Joker

04-08-2000, 12:26 AM

If you opened a business office in the United States like you claim to have, you would have to obtain a license to operate said office.

Fizzer

04-08-2000, 12:40 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Davey:

Get over it, we have not broken any laws or done anything wrong.
[/quote]

I think one could make a pretty good argument for false advertising. You can't just say one thing in nice big type on your page (about the guarantee for example), and then say the exact opposite in the small print (your TOS).

And speaking of that guarantee, you didn't seem to have any comment on the conflicting info that I pointed out.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>
"Think about it, what reason would she have for doing such a thing?"

She is a fraudster. Obviously has no life or real job, and tries to scam people online. Sad, really.[/quote]

That's a pretty serious allegation. What evidence do you have to back that up?
In what way is she trying to scam people? Does she try to get money from people through nefarious means? I've been to her web site many times, I've never seen any hint of some sort of scam operation going on.
What business other than TH has she targeted? Where's her web page against those companies with so-called fake emails?

And since you claim that she is actually several other people, answer me this:

Have you ever sent email under the name Bradley Goodman? Or any other name that your own?

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>We do not give refunds, this is our policy. Nothing wrong with this at all.[b][/quote]

It may if it conflicts with other statements you make in a much more noticable form.

If I set up a restaurant and put up a sign out front that says "Free Hamburgers!" and then inside the restaurant, it says, "all hamburgers are $5.00, no exceptions", you can bet I would be in big trouble and at very least would have to take down the sign in front, or follow through with the free offer. I could get sued for false advertising.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>[b]
When I talk about one person building up the business, I mean that I have full ownership of the company (nobody else takes any of the profit). I did not need anyone to finance it, or help pay for growing the business.
[/quote]

How many employees does TH have? Why are you the only one who ever answers the emails no matter what "department" they're sent to?

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>
If we do not provide great service, then do you think 2000 customers are all wrong? Doubtful, really.[/quote]

Like I said in a previous message, your move to Alabanza has benefitted you a lot. Since theirs system seems to be more stable, you're not getting the complaints like before. And people tend to stay put if they have no complaints. But they second there's a problem, then they get a taste of what "the leader in customer service" has to offer. And that's a very bad taste indeed.

04-08-2000, 12:55 AM

Not to create a bigger argument, BUT just for the record you do not need a business license in the UK. And you do not have to register for VAT unless your turnover is greater than £50,000 then it is a legal requirement, however you can still register if your companies take-ins are less than 50k however because Alabanza (the wholesaler in this case) is in the USA their is little point.

If TrueHosting has 2000 clients at an average of say $10 per month , then that's approximately $240,000 a year in which case they will need to register for VAT, however just because they're registered they do not need to charge VAT to US clients. VAT in the UK is charge at 17.5%.

If you would like further information for UK companies then I suggest you register with the Business Support Helpline. 014555894384 (I'm not sure of the cost).

Tim Greer

04-08-2000, 05:23 AM

> Just to clarify a few points:

Yeah, right. "Clarify them" for your sake.

> * True Hosting has NEVER done ANYTHING illegal.

Yes, they have.

> Anyone who claims otherwise is libeling our company.

Incorrect, anyone that claims otherwise in a "defaming manner", in a writing in a public forum - and can NOT provide evidence to support their claims. I, for one, can. Therefore, it's NOT libel!

> * We have over 2000 very happy clients, and this is growing by over 300 a month.

Yes, you've said that. Saying something, does not make it fact. Furthermore, it doesn't matter how many clients are happy. If you're committing fraud and other criminal acts, saying you have "happy" customer's isn't going to make the crimes go away - especially if you continue to commit the crimes!

> * Nobody from True Hosting is going to be going to jail.

If I have any saw, they will.

> Joey the Saint is an ignorant

Ignorant? Do you know the meaning of that term?

> liar

The same's been said about you, does it only make it a fact when _you_ say it, but not others? Try a little harder to come up with a more logical and reasonable excuse, for once!

> who has an obcession with prison rape.

How do you know what someone's "obsession" is, when you can't even spell the words? Further, that is the sort of libel I'm talking about _you_ are committing. Care to provide evidence of this, Doctor? Let's see your Ph.D..

> Those are his personal problems.

And I'm personal problem! :-)

> He actually seems to believe we would impersonate someone,

You mean, how you 'actually believe' that Annette Howard is "impersonating people"? Get real, once again, you act like what you say has to be truth, when there's dozen's of us that have been screwed over by your company, and had no possible way or means, or REASON to meet up, until you brought us together, by the act or researching your company for any other criminal acts - and there are MANY!

> register cyberglenn.com and create an entire web site in order to pretend to be our own customer.

I know nothing about that statement, so I won't comment - unlike you, I don't just make things up to try and look like I'm the "good guy" and the other person is the "bad guy". I use useful, relevant and factual information, of I don't comment on it.

> * Annette Howard is a liar and a fraud,

Again, more than a few people have said and believe you to be that type, why is it true when YOU say it? Provide evidence! Further, how is she a "fraud"? What is/was her act of fraud? Explain to us, for once. Finally, how is she a "liar"? What, are you 6 years old? Calling people "liar" all the time? You sound like a child. Provide evidence to support your claim calling her a liar! What did she lie about and how did she lie? Show us proof, not what you personally believe, but facts, emails with headers, unedited - forward them to us all, show us she's a "liar". Even if you could, I KNOW you are - from my own dealings with truehosting!

> we have already reported her to law enforcement and other authorities.

Moron, you don't report a "liar" to the law enforcement authorities. That's a civil case at best, not criminal! Do you know the difference? People aren't reporting you to the authorities because you're a liar, it's because you're a criminal! What are you going to report her for? Exposing your crimes? Or, just because you don't like her? What are the "authorities going to do about her, even if she did lie? I know that she's not, because I have personally (as have MANY others) dealt with you, and everything posted on her site, is from emails people have received from you.

> She has used many different aliases to hide behind,

Oh? Evidence, please. Do you just have THAT much difficulty in comprehending and accepting he fact that so many people you've ripped off, are trying to get rid of you? You, sir, as the person guilty of the use of many aliases.

> but she will be punished for her actions.

Again, she's done nothing criminal, nor unethical or immoral. Nothing against any criminal or civil laws, anywhere. What do you think is going to happen? You're just too arrogant to know that you can't tell everyone what to do and you can't deal with people that don't put up with your crap! Your ego problem, will be your undoing, you little worm!

> * We have openly stated to our customers that technical support times are not as good as we would like.

What does that have to do with being a criminal? I never said I had a problem or cared about your shoddy tech support! I said, that I have a problem, with the fact that my client and I paid you for your "Ultra Plan", and you flat out refused to give us anywhere near the services stated on that page describing that plan! You further said we can not cancel, you then said that we had to pay you 30 days in ADVANCE before we could cancel. I.e., We pay you for a service and you don't give it to us, you try and rip us off, yet you still demand another 30 days for each of our accounts, BEFORE you will cancel us, which you still tried to stop us from doing! You delay the process and ignore people and refuse to do anything, until another so-many days have gone by, so you can squeeze out another 30 days advance payment to be able to "cancel".

We paid you for the Ultra Plan, which was supposed to be on a system with no more then 10 maximum users, have a Dual Pentium 450 MHZ CPU, a GIG of RAM and a GIG of disk space, with unlimited bandwidth. I logged into the account the moment I got the email when you FINALLY set it up (bought yourself a few more days, so you could say we already owe for the next month AND the 30 days notice payment to be able to cancel - which was an additional $200 dollars total!). I emailed you within an hour and expressed my concerns and informed you how I found the system only had ONE CPU, only 128 MEGs RAM, far, far more then 10 user's, and a system load average of 9.80 (which means it's already crashed and it NOT going to do anything!) - this was BEFORE my client or I even wanted to upload any files, etc. (which we NEVER did!).

You replied, telling me that's the system we get. I responded saying we wanted out accounts canceled ASAP. You replied saying, we got what we paid for. I responded with "No, we paid for the services and features outlined in the Ultra Plan, which included the following - all of which we never got! -- Dual Pentium 450 MHZ CPU system, ONE GIG of RAM, one GIG of disk space, no more ten 10 user's on the system allowed to have accounts, unique IP address, stats, control panels, unlimited bandwidth and more -- all denied, all refused and you still wouldn't agree to cancel our accounts, NOR did you agree to remedy the situation by providing us with the services we PAID for.

You said "all systems are fine, there's nothing wrong with them." You were NOT willing to resolve this situation, or many any attempts to remedy it and provide us with the services we'd paid for and agreed upon - when we (my client and I) entered the contract in good faith. I then told you, that we were not supplied with the services paid for and that I will not pay for services that were promised to be rendered, but never were! I then told you, to either not charge the credit cards, refund the money, or remedy the situation. You replied saying that you HAVE rendered the services, that's what we get, and there are no problems. You further said that you do not give refunds. After days to weeks later, you finally told us, that we had to follow some (until then, never stated and never agreed upon) off the wall protocol, of paying 30 days in advance notice and send a FAX, to be abel to cancel our accounts! Nay, this isn't and wasn't about poor customer service, downtime or something that you'd otherwise not want to deal with - this was a problem caused by you, that you knowingly and willingly took part in, wen you knew that you couldn't and wouldn't provide the services promised and outlined in your package description! Clear cut fraud! You had no intention on giving us the service,

04-08-2000, 05:23 AM

unreg

04-08-2000, 05:23 AM

Davey

04-08-2000, 06:11 AM

"> * True Hosting has NEVER done ANYTHING illegal.

Yes, they have."

Prove it.

"> Anyone who claims otherwise is libeling our company.

Incorrect, anyone that claims otherwise in a "defaming manner", in a writing in a public forum - and can NOT provide evidence to support their claims. I, for one, can. Therefore, it's NOT libel!"

No, you cannot. It IS libel.

"> * We have over 2000 very happy clients, and this is growing by over 300 a month.

Yes, you've said that. Saying something, does not make it fact. Furthermore, it doesn't matter how many clients are happy. If you're committing fraud and other criminal acts, saying you have "happy" customer's isn't going to make the crimes go away - especially if you continue to commit the crimes!"

We are not committing fraud, or any other criminal acts. YOU are the fraudster.

"> * Nobody from True Hosting is going to be going to jail.

If I have any saw, they will."

You do not have any say.

"> Joey the Saint is an ignorant

Ignorant? Do you know the meaning of that term?"

Yes. Do you?

"> liar

The same's been said about you, does it only make it a fact when _you_ say it, but not others? Try a little harder to come up with a more logical and reasonable excuse, for once!"

I am not a liar.

"> who has an obcession with prison rape.

How do you know what someone's "obsession" is, when you can't even spell the words? Further, that is the sort of libel I'm talking about _you_ are committing. Care to provide evidence of this, Doctor? Let's see your Ph.D.."

He constantly repeats himself, going on about prison rape. Strange and worrying.

"> Those are his personal problems.

And I'm personal problem! :-)"

Yeah, that makes sense.

"> He actually seems to believe we would impersonate someone,

You mean, how you 'actually believe' that Annette Howard is "impersonating people"? Get real, once again, you act like what you say has to be truth, when there's dozen's of us that have been screwed over by your company, and had no possible way or means, or REASON to meet up, until you brought us together, by the act or researching your company for any other criminal acts - and there are MANY! "

HE stated that he thought that cyberglenn.com was myself using another name (and I had created an entire web site, registered a domain, and everything) in order to pretend I was someone else.

And yes, Annette Howard has faked many emails and used many different aliases, because she is a fraudster.

W> register cyberglenn.com and create an entire web site in order to pretend to be our own customer.

I know nothing about that statement, so I won't comment - unlike you, I don't just make things up to try and look like I'm the "good guy" and the other person is the "bad guy". I use useful, relevant and factual information, of I don't comment on it."

You have no clue what you are talking about.

"> * Annette Howard is a liar and a fraud,

Again, more than a few people have said and believe you to be that type, why is it true when YOU say it? Provide evidence! Further, how is she a "fraud"? What is/was her act of fraud? Explain to us, for once. Finally, how is she a "liar"? What, are you 6 years old? Calling people "liar" all the time? You sound like a child. Provide evidence to support your claim calling her a liar! What did she lie about and how did she lie? Show us proof, not what you personally believe, but facts, emails with headers, unedited - forward them to us all, show us she's a "liar". Even if you could, I KNOW you are - from my own dealings with truehosting!"

We do not need to provide evidence, she is already being investigated for her crimes by the authorities.

YOU are a fraud as well.

"> we have already reported her to law enforcement and other authorities.

Moron, you don't report a "liar" to the law enforcement authorities. That's a civil case at best, not criminal! Do you know the difference? People aren't reporting you to the authorities because you're a liar, it's because you're a criminal! What are you going to report her for? Exposing your crimes? Or, just because you don't like her? What are the "authorities going to do about her, even if she did lie? I know that she's not, because I have personally (as have MANY others) dealt with you, and everything posted on her site, is from emails people have received from you."

We have reported a FRAUDSTER to the authorities.

"> She has used many different aliases to hide behind,

Oh? Evidence, please. Do you just have THAT much difficulty in comprehending and accepting he fact that so many people you've ripped off, are trying to get rid of you? You, sir, as the person guilty of the use of many aliases."

We do not need evidence, she is already being investigated. I have never used any aliases in my life.

"> but she will be punished for her actions.

Again, she's done nothing criminal, nor unethical or immoral. Nothing against any criminal or civil laws, anywhere. What do you think is going to happen? You're just too arrogant to know that you can't tell everyone what to do and you can't deal with people that don't put up with your crap! Your ego problem, will be your undoing, you little worm!"

Yes, fraud is criminal. So is harassment.

"> * We have openly stated to our customers that technical support times are not as good as we would like.

What does that have to do with being a criminal?"

Nobody here is criminal.

"I never said I had a problem or cared about your shoddy tech support!"

We have extremely good tech support.

"I said, that I have a problem, with the fact that my client and I paid you for your "Ultra Plan", and you flat out refused to give us anywhere near the services stated on that page describing that plan! You further said we can not cancel, you then said that we had to pay you 30 days in ADVANCE before we could cancel. I.e., We pay you for a service and you don't give it to us, you try and rip us off, yet you still demand another 30 days for each of our accounts, BEFORE you will cancel us, which you still tried to stop us from doing! You delay the process and ignore people and refuse to do anything, until another so-many days have gone by, so you can squeeze out another 30 days advance payment to be able to "cancel"."

We provided EXACTLY the services you were told you would get.

WWe paid you for the Ultra Plan, which was supposed to be on a system with no more then 10 maximum users, have a Dual Pentium 450 MHZ CPU, a GIG of RAM and a GIG of disk space, with unlimited bandwidth. I logged into the account the moment I got the email when you FINALLY set it up (bought yourself a few more days, so you could say we already owe for the next month AND the 30 days notice payment to be able to cancel - which was an additional $200 dollars total!). I emailed you within an hour and expressed my concerns and informed you how I found the system only had ONE CPU, only 128 MEGs RAM, far, far more then 10 user's, and a system load average of 9.80 (which means it's already crashed and it NOT going to do anything!) - this was BEFORE my client or I even wanted to upload any files, etc. (which we NEVER did!)."

You are either lying or have no clue what you are talking about.

WHERE IS YOUR EVIDEMCE??

"You replied, telling me that's the system we get. I responded saying we wanted out accounts canceled ASAP. You replied saying, we got what we paid for. I responded with "No, we paid for the services and features outlined in the Ultra Plan, which included the following - all of which we never got! -- Dual Pentium 450 MHZ CPU system, ONE GIG of RAM, one GIG of disk space, no more ten 10 user's on the system allowed to have accounts, unique IP address, stats, control panels, unlimited bandwidth and more -- all denied, all refused and you still wouldn't agree to cancel our accounts, NOR did you agree to remedy the situation by providing us with the services we PAID for."

You had been provided with EVERYTHING you paid for.

"You said "all systems are fine, there's nothing wrong with them.

04-08-2000, 06:11 AM

reg

04-08-2000, 06:11 AM

Joey the Saint

04-08-2000, 06:37 AM

I-i-i-i'mmm Baaaa-aa--ack. . ..

Good Morning, Davey!! How are you on this fine, fine morning?

Answer me this:

You accuse Annette Howard AKA Technogirl of:

lying
spamming
fraud
impersonating many people

and you say that for these alleged crimes she is under investigation for her "fraud."

With the litany of allegations levelled against you, why do you refuse to believe that anyone is investigating you? YOU ARE ACCUSED BY MANY MANY MANY MORE PEOPLE OF THE SAME CRIMES YOU ACCUSE TECHNOGIRL OF. FURTHER, THEY -- WE -- HAVE A HELL OF LOT MORE PROOF THAN YOU DO.

You've yet to "prove" anything; all you've done is deny.

And you still didn't answer Fizzer's posts about the contradictions in your TOS and your advertising.

-- Joey

04-08-2000, 07:15 AM

what was that? all that post up there i mean? it looked like all those emails at technogirls website glued into one. very funny.

i have hosting at truehosting and am happy. im going to email alabanza soon and make sure you people can not ruin my account with them because i am happy. i dont know how all that up there happened with you, but it sure hasnt happened with me or the three of my friends that i refered to truehosting. one of my friends actually canceled because she could no longer afford it since she lost her job. she faxed the letter, which took two tries at mailboxes etc., and that was that.

i live in california too (san diego) and might give you a call to talk with you about your actions and how they will affect me and friends of mine. i cant even imagine how all that happened, but i know for the four months that i have recieved hosting that it has been excellent and when i need to ask a question, even when its dumb, truehosting answers in a very polite way.

ive read through this thing here and dont know what to conclude. it looks like you all got hosted with them before the smart move to alabanza, which i luckily got at the start of my hosting with them.

i dont know who would shut them down, the authorities have their hands full with real fraud cases. a real fraud case has more than a dozen people who think they got cheated. all you seem really angry though, and are rude too. i guess i feel that way because you are trying to mess up something i am paying for and that i like.

joey is probably going to ask me if he has signed me or if i want an album. i am sorry, but the only characteristics you share with someone who is in the music business is your rude attitude. i didnt like your page one bit and was offended too.

you all will probably conclude that im against you or on someones side or something like that, but i am on my side only. i want what i paid for and for it to continue like that period. and dont reply with the service ive been getting wont be like that for long, or if i want to leave im going to feel differently because it and i wont.

i cant believe you are trying to take away my hosting account because you are holding some grudge, grow up. im only 19 and i wouldnt even act like you all. fighting back and forth like it is doing any good, just like children.

i hope truehosting stays in business for a long time. i looked at the cyberglenn website and you know, he must be happy with truehosting since his site has a bunch of stuff on it and loads fast and all that good stuff, with no rude junk about truehosting being mean or anything of the sort. for that claim that truehosting made that site, i doubt it. wwf wrestling is in the uk? i dont know if it is but no way as popular as here. plus the cyberglenn domain is registered by someone here in the united states. :)

how is truehosting faking their mailing address too? the first check i sent them was by postal mail, though now i pay with icheck because it is faster. if it was a fake address then how would truehosting get my money? i dont know about that one, but it seems lies about everything here is being flung around like, well i dont know. but its being flung in some fashion.

before i submit this, please dont reply and make fun of my bad grammer. i know i probably have more than a few spelling mistakes and i dont capitalize things, but please dont point it out and make me feel dumb.

i hope you guys find a way to understand the situation with me. im not against you. i feel bad that you are so angry. but why mess up other people too?

good night

Anon

04-08-2000, 09:53 AM

He will screw you too, just wait your turn, or wait until you try to change to a real hosting company... You'll be posting again here, I'm sure.

Paula V

04-08-2000, 09:59 AM

Damn wake up and find the board almost a page bigger with only 3 post's.. lolol...

Joey? How many days do I have to make a shelter before Annette get's back? lolol..
I have a feeling things are going to hit the fan if you know what I mean.

I have said it before, and I will again.. Believe what you want, make your own opinion about True Hosting..

Ex-clients had problems with that company that is obviously True. He claims all the problems are lies. He claims most of the people with these problems are one person. That is false. I am real. I know I have a physical address. If you would like to get into touch with me email me. I will send you my address. But from just looking at my email, you could come up with two things.

A: My ISP is Bigsky.net.B: If you were to look up Bigsky.net you will see they are in Missoula Mt. As well as surrounding areas. Like Frenchtown Mt, Kalispell Mt. Etc..MT ONLY.. (www.bigsky.net) They charge me 19.95 per month for service. If I am Annette. That would mean where ever Annette is, she would need to call long distance (no 1800 number) to dial up, and receive email. (I don't know where in the US Annette is located? But I do know she is not here in MT)

Before anything happened with True Hosting, I didn't know Annette, Tim, Joey, or anyone else. I found them when I did a search on True hosting. I was looking for any one else that had problems with this so called "company".. I went to www.yahoo.com, (http://www.yahoo.com,) and searched almost all pages containing both, www.truehosting.com, (http://www.truehosting.com,) and "True Hosting".. That is when I found a message board just like this one. But it was coodles? or something like that. they since have shut that board down they say because of "Harrassment from true Hosting".. But before they shut it down, I got the address, "www.hostinvestigator.com". and I posted a message on the old board.. WAY old board.. Then people started emailing me. Etc.. I emailed them.. etc.. That is how I found Annette, Tim, Joey, Aaron, etc...

I too was threatened by True hosting about my posts..

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Our company is preparing to file a lawsuit against you for a post made in
the hostinvestigator.com web forum.

If you do not ensure this message is removed within 24 hours by the moderator of the forum and cease any further postings, a lawsuit will be filed against you.

David Jarvis
True Hosting

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I asked Matt, here at HostInvestigator to take it down. Actually to be honest I begged for him to do so. Which he did.. But then I realized after I had called my attorney that it was ok to voice my opinion. So I did, and I kept doing so....

The whole point in this is.... Why would I have reason to lie? Since that email above, I have been threatened again.. Twice.. once in snail mail, and once in email...

My question to Mr. Davey is, since I am Annette, why did he send me a "Legal Action Pending" Letter through snail mail. If I am lieing why are you worried if I did post on the old board, way back when? Why worry if we are all lieing? Apparently you want to defend yourself.. Well.. fine.. Tell me why and HOW it is possible for me to be Annette?

I could keep going, there are alot more things I want to say, but.. I will leave it at that for now.. Enjoy your day..

Happy host hunting

inwks

04-08-2000, 10:38 AM

True Hosting is a UK based company and must obide by UK trading laws. This means that if they do not offer the service they claim to offer, you can report them to appropriate authorities. This authority is trading standards, and if enough people complain, they will be forced to close (the fines will mount up). The address is http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk. Explain to them that you have been using the services of True Hosting, a UK based web hosting company, and they have breached contract/misrepresented themselves or whatever. Simple as that. I've already asked powers that be to investigate them for tax evasions, as by law they should state their registered company address, VAT number, etc. etc. Which they do not (in any obvious way). Based on my calculations, it if they have not been paying their taxes, they will have a very horrible death........ Mr Tax Man does not like to be snubbed!

fthosting

04-08-2000, 01:04 PM

Its only a matter of time. hey im going to cambridge this week to see my aunt anyone think i should pay davey a visit ?

Joey the Saint

04-08-2000, 01:06 PM

We've heard from some anonymous TH customers who are very happy.

What I haven't seen -- EVER, on any board about True Hosting -- is a story from anyone who has managed to successfully QUIT Davey's service.

Has anyone ever seen one?

-- J.

Paula V

04-08-2000, 01:14 PM

Actually yes, I heard from this guy, I think I have it in email still.. (Will look when I get on that machine).. But his dad signed him up on the dad's Credit card.. When the kid told his dad he wanted to cancel the dad couldn't find the number, or mailing address on the True Hosting web page, so the dad called Ibill, the next day the kid got the email from Ibill saying the account was closed etc..

Then the kid got a bill from True Hosting...
They continued to get the bills, until after they finally switched their email addy, true hosting has yet to sent them a bill to the PHYSICAL addy..

That is the closest I think I have seen anyone come.. LMAO.. Shoot I was harrassed for 6 months after I did exactly what the guy did.. 6 months of 1-5 emails a day!.. Then people wonder why I am so upset. lolol....

Paula V

04-08-2000, 01:24 PM

Well.. Just opened my OLD email box. The one I used when I was posting on the OLD board... Some of you might of seen them, I was "unhappy1" anyway, here's another link worth checkin out... http://www.channelingboards.com/Truelosers.html

This was not "edited" I wanted to add to it.. That page above is from a "ex" client... Hmm.. Look at the dates? This is on True Hostings new servers too? Go figure? Didn't Davey say all the problems were because of the OLD servers???? Hmmmmmm...

[This message has been edited by Paula V (edited 04-08-2000).]

an observer

04-08-2000, 02:59 PM

It's funny... if you read Davey/Weaselboy/PFM/Annette Wagstaff's replies, they read EXACTLY like the emails posted on Annette's site. So much for Annette forging them all, like this piece of crap claims! Weaselboy clearly never reads the messages he replies to - he just spouts off his typical lying, nonsensical gibberish in a vain attempt to salvage his failing scam.

I wasn't a customer of this guy (Thank GOD!), but I stumbled on Annette's site way back when. I've since warned everyone I know about Trueshosting, including my college webmaster class (I even got extra credit for it for warning my classmates about the scams and frauds out there!), and will continue to do so. People I direct to Annette's site just can't believe that any business owner (I use this term loosely) could be so stupid. We have something going for us - Weaselboy is clearly not too intelligent, or his scam would have been orchastrated a little better.

Weaselboy, you WILL be run out of business. I will keep spreading the word about you - even if we can't get the government to do anything, we can generate enough noise to scare off any customers.

Just Tell The Feds

04-08-2000, 03:44 PM

If you have a geniune grievance regarding the service you have received from True Hosting, inform the UK Trading Standards authority on http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk.

It may be fun bashing the guy on this site, but not really productive. If you want to ensure he can't "screw over" another customer, ensure the appropriate authorities know using the above URL. I believe UK customs and excise are taken a keen interest in him regarding VAT at the moment.

Annette

04-08-2000, 07:04 PM

Well, well, well. Look at all the busy-ness here, like a little anthill boiling over. Yes, I am back from the Caribbean. No, I am not anyone other than myself.

Despite "Davey's" claims, it is entirely true that his service is not all he advertises it to be. Despite his constant harping on my own personal status as an upstanding citizen, he's yet to provide any evidence of ANY of his claims that I am not who I say I am, that I have provided false names in any dealings with him, or that I spend all of my time trying to defraud companies, as he has claimed in public forums and via email.

A couple of tips for you, weaselboy: Provide said evidence or shut up. The only one damaging your reputation is yourself. Every time you claim that I have engaged in any sort of fraudulent activity without proving it, every time you claim that I use multiple names without proving it, every time you call someone else a fraud or liar without proving it, you simply make yourself into even a bigger jackass.

To those of you who have defended weaselboy, or who say "what about others who may be happy": is it more responsible to keep silent about someone who has egregiously harmed others, business-wise and personally, or should anyone with a valid complaint (note: valid, with support, such as those horrifically funny email exchanges with weaselboy) just keep quiet and move meekly along to the next host? Some of you say that complaints such as the ones the weaselboy has generated are somehow "bad" for other hosts. Allow me to point out something for you: weaselboy has generated those complaints with his OWN actions. His constant replies, filled as they are with claims of lies, libel, and lawsuits, with nothing more than his say-so that those claims are true, when there is plenty of evidence to suggest the contrary, do more to damage the image of hosts than anything any group of unhappy customers could ever do. You want to solve the problem? Don't look to the ex-customers, who have paid for a service that was not as advertised. Look to the people like "Davey", who continually show exactly what can be expected from disreputable hosts and who continually show that some claims against hosts are exactly the truth. Once you solve that problem, others will melt away.

Weaselboy claims to have a US office. Guess what, "Davey"? Offices of foreign companies are required by US law to be registered. Nobody has ever heard of your two-bit company here. Care to make another claim that we can just as easily knock down?

I have no intention of taking down my page, and every intention of posting as many email exchanges from people as they are willing to send. I am not now, nor will I ever be, the subject of any investigation by any authority, anywhere. Weaselboy's continual claims of this do not make it true, as much as he would like to believe that it does. The only one who has provided false or misleading information, or who has engaged in fraud (i.e., demanding payment on accounts he acknowledged as cancelled or closed) is weaselboy, a fact that can easily be verified by the multitide of information available both on this forum and on others. His claims are as fictitious as the numerous names he has used in communications.

I, on the other hand, have never claimed to be someone I am not (although the first few email exchanges have, interchangeably, my name or Stephanie's email address, she is definitely a separate person from me - a fact that delights me every day) and have created the subset of my main page for one purpose only: to warn people about the treatment that others have experienced at the hands of weaselboy. My complaints have been sent already to OFT and DTI in the UK. I would urge anyone else who has a complaint about weaselboy's services (or lack thereof) to do the same. Until the time when weaselboy's customers dry up (2000 customers? Don't think so.), my page will serve as a reference point for people looking for information. I realize that the only reason I generate so much ire from weaselboy is that a) I refused to give in to him and b) my site has become the focal point of all the complaints. I can deal with this. I will not, however, stand for unsupported allegations against myself personally just because weaselboy doesn't like what I have to say. I am not one for frivolous legal activities, which is why I find weaselboy's legal threats so amusing (http://www.technogirl.net/99tales/suing_lies.htm), but I will say this, one more time for the slow learners: either back it up or retract it. Those are the only options available. Further activity of this sort by you will definitely generate more serious complaints from me.

Davey

04-08-2000, 07:12 PM

Look, Annette/Stephanie/Paula/Whoever-you-are-pretending-to-be-now - you are a fraud, and everyone knows it.

Nobody is fooled by your laughable attempts to trick people into believing your lies.

You are indeed under investigation for fraud and other crimes. You may be able to run, but you can't hide.

Crawl back under your little dirty rock.

Joey the Saint

04-08-2000, 07:14 PM

Annette, you are the wind beneath my wings.

Welcome home.

Joey the Saint

04-08-2000, 07:19 PM

ET LA!

Funny, Davey; I said that to you, what, two weeks ago? You can run but you can't hide.

Imitation indeed is the sincerest form of flattery.

Sounds like I need to get some of my recent email exchanges with Davey / Peter up on my site.

-- J.

Paula V

04-08-2000, 07:24 PM

If I am under investigation.. (This is for sure Paula and not Annette), Would you mind telling these so called authorities my PO BOX address for me? Better yet have them call me.. You have my PO BOX address and my number..

I would just like it to be well known, before you get a PO BOX here in Montana, and I think any where in the US you have to provide proof of a PHYSICAL ADDRESS.. You know the place I lay my head at night? Well in order for me to do that I had to go INTO the POST OFFICE, and not only provide them with my MT state drivers lic, but I had to take in a phone bill and/or other "home" bills... The reason the USPS does this is to insure I can be reached by my home address if some "Authority" figure needs too.. So... Please by all means have the "Authorities" contact my post office and have them knock on my door..

Well thats it for me today..asta peeps...

Tim Greer

04-08-2000, 11:20 PM

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000075.html www.deja.com (http://www.deja.com) -alt.webmaster.com http://www.technogirl.net/99tales/weaselboy.htm
http://www.google.com/search?q=True+Hosting
http://www.hostinvestigator.com/go.asp?page=cgi&script=showreviews&id=109
http://www.rubybeach.com/TrueHosing.html http://www.netcheck.com/

The very fact that God and nature allowed you to be born, greatly offends me.
The fact that you survived childhood and adolcense surpises me.
The fact that you're roaming free and are allowed (to date) to continue
your inhuman acts of stupidty, is simply appalling.

Why am I posting this, you might ask? Well, not only does this prove my claims to be true to a degree, but the fact that NEW people SINCE the move to Alabanza have been complaining - AND to just prove that this web host IS a criminal element, hands down - no arguments!

>"> * True Hosting has NEVER done ANYTHING illegal.

> Yes, they have."

> Prove it.

Put it this way, if what I said happened, is true, then it's illegal. I'll be happy to "prove it" by posting the full emails (including headers) on my page about you on my web site in the next few days. I'll have my ISP and my client sign an affidavit, stating that they too, viewed all the emails, when you sent them. (I don't just download emails I want proof about, I make sure people see them, so I have witnesses to the fact). You can argue that, but that positively, undeniably proves my emails and claims.

>> "> Anyone who claims otherwise is libeling our company.

>> Incorrect, anyone that claims otherwise in a "defaming manner", in a writing in a public forum
>> - and can NOT provide evidence to support their claims. I, for one, can. Therefore, it's NOT
>> libel!"

> No, you cannot. It IS libel.

Uh.. WHAT!? If I claim something that defames you to be a fact, and I can PROVE it, then it is NOT libel! You really know nothing! I know you're afraid!

>"> * We have over 2000 very happy clients, and this is growing by over 300 a month.

>> Yes, you've said that. Saying something, does not make it fact. Furthermore, it doesn't matter
>> how many clients are happy. If you're committing fraud and other criminal acts, saying you
>> have "happy" customer's isn't going to make the crimes go away - especially if you continue to
>> commit the crimes!"

> We are not committing fraud, or any other criminal acts. YOU are the fraudster.

How can you be so mindless in your argument? That doesn't even make any sense. You are a victim to your own fears. How am I a "fraudster"? What action did I do, that was fraudulent? Why is it, that every single person, is a liar and a 'fraudster", but you? You are the person that did wrong, not us. Deal with me, I'm here to stay. :-) Once again, simply because _you_ said something, doesn't make it true - nor does it invalidate any of our claims (especially since we have something called "evidence").

>"> * Nobody from True Hosting is going to be going to jail.

>> If I have any saw, they will."

> You do not have any say.

Or so you claim. :-)

>"> Joey the Saint is an ignorant

>> Ignorant? Do you know the meaning of that term?"

>> Yes. Do you?

Oh, wow, what a witty come-back. Heh, heh. How sad.

>"> liar

>> The same's been said about you, does it only make it a fact when _you_ say it, but not others?
>> Try a little harder to come up with a more logical and reasonable excuse, for once!"

> I am not a liar.

Once again, you say it, so you think everyone will just believe it, without any reason to. Are you tired? I am! I'm just trying to figure out, why your argument is so poorly executed? I mean, that's terrible. It's atrocious!

>"> who has an obcession with prison rape.

>> How do you know what someone's "obsession" is, when you can't even spell the words? Further,
>> that is the sort of libel I'm talking about _you_ are committing. Care to provide evidence of
>> this, Doctor? Let's see your Ph.D.."

> He constantly repeats himself, going on about prison rape. Strange and worrying.

You continually repeat yourself. Why are you worried about what he thinks? Are you worried tat you find it somewhat arousing? Apparently, you don't understand, the point and act of "intimidation".. You know, what you try and do to other people, but get laughed at! He's trying to get it across to you, that his intent is for you to end up in prison.

>"> Those are his personal problems.

>> And I'm personal problem! :-)"

> Yeah, that makes sense.

Well, that was supposed to say "And I'm your personal problem! :-)", but, it's late...so...

>"> He actually seems to believe we would impersonate someone,

>> You mean, how you 'actually believe' that Annette Howard is "impersonating people"? Get real,
>> once again, you act like what you say has to be truth, when there's dozen's of us that have
>> been screwed over by your company, and had no possible way or means, or REASON to meet up,
>> until you brought us together, by the act or researching your company for any other criminal
>> acts - and there are MANY! "

> HE stated that he thought that cyberglenn.com was myself using another name (and I had created
> an entire web site, registered a domain, and everything) in order to pretend I was someone
> else.

Oh, well, I've seen people put their own sites up before, so create a list of "clients" to showcase. It's not impossible. Personally, I never bothered to look and don't plan to, it's not relevant.

> And yes, Annette Howard has faked many emails and used many different aliases, because she is a
> fraudster.

Uh huh... well, I've spoken to some of these people via phone and email. Quite obviously, when someone's speaking to you via phone and you have caller ID that says where they are, it's pretty difficult to be two people at once. Again, tell us how she's a "fraudster", and how I am for that matter? It seems that anyone that doesn't like how you screwed them over, are all "fraudsters", which is more then a juvenile approach.

> W> register cyberglenn.com and create an entire web site in order to pretend to be our own
> customer.

I think you posted that too many times.

>> I know nothing about that statement, so I won't comment - unlike you, I don't just make things
>> up to try and look like I'm the "good guy" and the other person is the "bad guy". I use
>> useful, relevant and factual information, of I don't comment on it."

> You have no clue what you are talking about.

I am aware you have "no clue", but my point was - you call people "fraudsters" and lairs, yet you provide no evidence, no reasons. You say she's many people, but show us WHY you think that. It's very simple. You seem to think giving any actual reasons for your off the wall logic, is unnecessary.

>"> * Annette Howard is a liar and a fraud,

>> Again, more than a few people have said and believe you to be that type, why is it true when
>> YOU say it? Provide evidence! Further, how is she a "fraud"? What is/was her act of fraud?
>> Explain to us, for once. Finally, how is she a "liar"? What, are you 6 years old? Calling
>> people "liar" all the time? You sound like a child. Provide evidence to support you

04-08-2000, 11:20 PM

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04-08-2000, 11:20 PM

Tim Greer

04-08-2000, 11:21 PM

*** My last post had mistakes in it! ***
Why am I posting this, you might ask? Well, not only does this prove my claims to be true to a degree, but the fact that NEW people SINCE the move to Alabanza have been complaining - AND to just prove that this web host IS a criminal element, hands down - no arguments!

>"> * True Hosting has NEVER done ANYTHING illegal.

> Yes, they have."

> Prove it.

Put it this way, if what I said happened, is true, then it's illegal. I'll be happy to "prove it" by posting the full emails (including headers) on my page about you on my web site in the next few days. I'll have my ISP and my client sign an affidavit, stating that they too, viewed all the emails, when you sent them. (I don't just download emails I want proof about, I make sure people see them, so I have witnesses to the fact). You can argue that, but that positively, undeniably proves my emails and claims.

>> "> Anyone who claims otherwise is libeling our company.

>> Incorrect, anyone that claims otherwise in a "defaming manner", in a writing in a public forum
>> - and can NOT provide evidence to support their claims. I, for one, can. Therefore, it's NOT
>> libel!"

> No, you cannot. It IS libel.

Uh.. WHAT!? If I claim something that defames you to be a fact, and I can PROVE it, then it is NOT libel! You really know nothing! I know you're afraid!

>"> * We have over 2000 very happy clients, and this is growing by over 300 a month.

>> Yes, you've said that. Saying something, does not make it fact. Furthermore, it doesn't matter
>> how many clients are happy. If you're committing fraud and other criminal acts, saying you
>> have "happy" customer's isn't going to make the crimes go away - especially if you continue to
>> commit the crimes!"

> We are not committing fraud, or any other criminal acts. YOU are the fraudster.

How can you be so mindless in your argument? That doesn't even make any sense. You are a victim to your own fears. How am I a "fraudster"? What action did I do, that was fraudulent? Why is it, that every single person, is a liar and a 'fraudster", but you? You are the person that did wrong, not us. Deal with me, I'm here to stay. :-) Once again, simply because _you_ said something, doesn't make it true - nor does it invalidate any of our claims (especially since we have something called "evidence").

>"> * Nobody from True Hosting is going to be going to jail.

>> If I have any saw, they will."

> You do not have any say.

Or so you claim. :-)

>"> Joey the Saint is an ignorant

>> Ignorant? Do you know the meaning of that term?"

>> Yes. Do you?

Oh, wow, what a witty come-back. Heh, heh. How sad.

>"> liar

>> The same's been said about you, does it only make it a fact when _you_ say it, but not others?
>> Try a little harder to come up with a more logical and reasonable excuse, for once!"

> I am not a liar.

Once again, you say it, so you think everyone will just believe it, without any reason to. Are you tired? I am! I'm just trying to figure out, why your argument is so poorly executed? I mean, that's terrible. It's atrocious!

>"> who has an obcession with prison rape.

>> How do you know what someone's "obsession" is, when you can't even spell the words? Further,
>> that is the sort of libel I'm talking about _you_ are committing. Care to provide evidence of
>> this, Doctor? Let's see your Ph.D.."

> He constantly repeats himself, going on about prison rape. Strange and worrying.

You continually repeat yourself. Why are you worried about what he thinks? Are you worried tat you find it somewhat arousing? Apparently, you don't understand, the point and act of "intimidation".. You know, what you try and do to other people, but get laughed at! He's trying to get it across to you, that his intent is for you to end up in prison.

>"> Those are his personal problems.

>> And I'm personal problem! :-)"

> Yeah, that makes sense.

Well, that was supposed to say "And I'm your personal problem! :-)", but, it's late...so...

>"> He actually seems to believe we would impersonate someone,

>> You mean, how you 'actually believe' that Annette Howard is "impersonating people"? Get real,
>> once again, you act like what you say has to be truth, when there's dozen's of us that have
>> been screwed over by your company, and had no possible way or means, or REASON to meet up,
>> until you brought us together, by the act or researching your company for any other criminal
>> acts - and there are MANY! "

> HE stated that he thought that cyberglenn.com was myself using another name (and I had created
> an entire web site, registered a domain, and everything) in order to pretend I was someone
> else.

Oh, well, I've seen people put their own sites up before, so create a list of "clients" to showcase. It's not impossible. Personally, I never bothered to look and don't plan to, it's not relevant.

> And yes, Annette Howard has faked many emails and used many different aliases, because she is a
> fraudster.

Uh huh... well, I've spoken to some of these people via phone and email. Quite obviously, when someone's speaking to you via phone and you have caller ID that says where they are, it's pretty difficult to be two people at once. Again, tell us how she's a "fraudster", and how I am for that matter? It seems that anyone that doesn't like how you screwed them over, are all "fraudsters", which is more then a juvenile approach.

> W> register cyberglenn.com and create an entire web site in order to pretend to be our own
> customer.

I think you posted that too many times.

>> I know nothing about that statement, so I won't comment - unlike you, I don't just make things
>> up to try and look like I'm the "good guy" and the other person is the "bad guy". I use
>> useful, relevant and factual information, of I don't comment on it."

> You have no clue what you are talking about.

I am aware you have "no clue", but my point was - you call people "fraudsters" and lairs, yet you provide no evidence, no reasons. You say she's many people, but show us WHY you think that. It's very simple. You seem to think giving any actual reasons for your off the wall logic, is unnecessary.

>"> * Annette Howard is a liar and a fraud,

>> Again, more than a few people have said and believe you to be that type, why is it true when
>> YOU say it? Provide evidence! Further, how is she a "fraud"? What is/was her act of fraud?
>> Explain to us, for once. Finally, how is she a "liar"? What, are you 6 years old? Calling
>> people "liar" all the time? You sound like a child. Provide evidence to support your claim
>> calling her a liar! What did she lie about and how did she lie? Show us proof, not what you
>> personally believe, but facts, emails with headers, unedited - forward them to us all, show
>> us she's a "liar". Even if you could, I KNOW you are - from my own dealings with truehosting!"

> We do not need to provide evidence, she is already being investigated for her crimes by the authorities.

And once again, you can't provide evidence. Once again, you have none. if you want to convince people, provide some. Also, once again, you are a fool, the "authorities" aren't going to arrest someone or prosecute them whatsoever, for being a "liar", even if she was, which she is not. Why are you having so much trouble with this?

> YOU are a fraud as well.

And once again, explain to us all, of how that even makes any sense? How, HOW, (((HOW))) am I a "fraud"? Will you PLEASE seek the assistance of a dictionary, I beg you! You really such at trying to make any points of valid arguments. I'm starting to feel bad fr you, I'm not joking.

>"> we have already reported her to law enforce

04-08-2000, 11:21 PM

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04-08-2000, 11:21 PM

Tim Greer

04-08-2000, 11:24 PM

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>so we can identify it. Be sure to include your 4-digit Colossus account
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>
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>
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================ End email ==================

Oh, and it was just sent back to me, apparently I sent you THAT, did I?

Stay with me here, there's MORE proof!

I NEVER emailed you from my "chatmaster@c-zone.net" email account, EVER! You also sent emails to my hotmail account,.. Well, gee, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN!? You're seriously stupid! No matter, WHy would this "block" decide to email to multiple accounts at once? If it sent them back to ME, then how do you explain me sending an email from TWO to FOUR email addresses at once? How do you explain me getting 1,100 emails, when I sent ONE!? HOW, oh HOW can you possibly explain, how this "block" ddi this, using your DESKTOP system, which was sending this emails via your Microsoft Outlook email program!? YOU MORON! You're really making this WAY too easy to prove your intent and abuse and harassment and crimes!

> That shows that it is YOU that was spamming US.

Well, let's look at my above facts, shall we? Oh, I see, yet again, you SAY it, and think that's proof enough.. Yet, look at me, showing ACTUAL EVIDENCE! Not something I "said"!

> To stop receiving mail from us, you just had to stop sending it.

You're ridiculous, I won't even comment on that. I've well proven my point!

> Which you eventually figured out.

I did, did I? IS that why I reported this attack to Colossus. net's backbone provider and you were finally cut off for your abuse!? What a JOKE! You are _really_ bad at this. :-)

>> "All of that, because I wanted to cancel my account!? You want to know WHY Colossus kicked
>> your sorry ass off their services!?"

> We were not kicked off their serviecs, we ditched them for a better NOC.

Yeah, right. I've covered this already, you're pathetic!

>> "I'll tell WHY, it's because I reported your malicious email flooding attack to THEIR
>> backbone provider and woke the guy up at 2:30 AM and reported it! Care to email bomb me
>> again? No, you ignorant bastard, this is NOT about "downtime" or a simple case of an
>> "unsatisfied customer" for whatever reasons. This is serious, and this is CRIMINAL! I have
>> proof! Sue me, you worm! try and win! Try and prove I'm someone else! I'll give out my name
>> and phone number and postal address! It's on my domain record, right there for you to see!
>> Try and say I'm committing libel, just try! I have ALL the emails you sent, and all I sent to
>> you, all logged, all saved, full headers, my ISP, my former web host and my
>> client, all of which saw and received them as YOU sent them, as well as when
>> I responded! Not only that, but to really put a thick icing on the cake of stupidity, you
>> actually emailed me and said that my account has been canceled, due to my "abuse" of your
>> services! Are you a comedian? emailed you and asked for evidence of this claim, as it's
>> obviously not true - I think I'd _know_ if I abused any service (which would require USING
>> it, which I did not!), yet, as usual, you didn't provide ANY evidence whatsoever. Tell me
>> I'm lying! Prove I am! try and play this down, like I'm just some "rare" unhappy customer
>> without a good reason to want to take legal action against you -- and I am going to take
>> action, believe me!"

> You are committing libel. YOU are the only criminal.

My goodness, you are sooo bad at this. I'm not committing libel, if I can prove my statements to be a fact. Again, how exactly am I a "criminal"? Can you do _any_ better then the "I know you are, but what am I?" come backs? Be reasonable, you're just not coming out of this well. I sense that fear of yours. I'm telling you, I am ON THIS! You know it's going to be over soon!

>"> We are receiving over 10-15 new clients per day,

>> Maybe so, but not for long, and that still doesn't help you, after what
>> you've done to me and many, many others!"

> Yes, and that number is increasing each week.

Whatever...

>"> and so support times at the moment are increased.

>> Whatever, that's not even relevant. Again, this has nothing to do with that!"

> You have no case whatsoever.

I'm sure you believe that too.

>"> * You do not need a license to run a business in the UK. Period. We do not wish to get one,
>> and will not do so.

>> Personally, I don't care one way or the other. That's not even relevant to
>> the problem."

> I have been addressing the idiot who thought that you were required to have a
> license. I was not even replying to you.

I didn't say you were, and he's obviously extremely more intelligent then you. Then again, so am I, you have no problem acting condescending to me either, which is just silly.

>"> * We are not going to be "shut down". Ever.

>> I swear to you, you WILL."

> No, we will not. You are in a dreamland.

Whatever you say...

>"> We are a very successful web host,

>> Even if that was true. it's still not relevant. You commit crimes, you go to
>> jail, you have your business shut down, it doesn't matter how many people are
>> signing up each week."

> We have not committed any crimes, we will not go to jail, and our business
> cannot ever be shut down.

Whatever you say... :-)

>"> and we will continue

>> Until I and/or others, take you down!"

> You simple cannot do that, you are dreaming again.

And, out of all my questions, points, facts and claims, you have not answered one, provided any evidence, or said anything that is helpful to support your claims. Oh, wait, you did manage to defame me and call many people names. What that was supposed to accomplish, is a mystery.

>"> providing great service to our customers,

>> So, the few dozen of us that you haven't, are just randomly chosen to be ripped off? :-)"

> We have not ripped anyone off. You are a liar and have committed libel.

yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a liar, you're a saint, you didn't do anything, I dreamt it all, how dare I challenge the great you, what was I thinking? I'm a libelous, lying, fraudster that enjoys wasting time with people like you.

>"> and all the new customers who are flocking to us. We have no reason to stop providing
>> service,

>> Of course you don't, that would have to involve the act of having
>> provided the se

04-08-2000, 11:24 PM

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04-08-2000, 11:24 PM

Annette

04-08-2000, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by Davey:
Look, Annette/Stephanie/Paula/Whoever-you-are-pretending-to-be-now - you are a fraud, and everyone knows it.

You have yet to show that I am anyone other than who I claim to be. Yet we can all show that you have claimed to be (among others) Peter Francis-Macrae, David Jarvis, Bradley Goodman (of "Vector Enterprises" fame, another non-existent entity), Annette Taylor, Annette Wagstaff, Nick Wood, Jamie, "Davey", etc., etc., ad nauseum. Headers and writing style show that all of the above people are, in fact, the same person. Please indicate, anywhere, in any form, any proof you may have that I am the other people you name, either via headers or via writing style. We've covered this ground before. The fact remains that it is you who is fraudulently pretending to be other people for the sole purpose of misleading people. Last word I have from several people in the UK is that such activity is against the law.

Nobody is fooled by your laughable attempts to trick people into believing your lies.

I certainly hope fewer people are fooled by your school-yard attempts at character assasination. Your words only cement my conclusions. Congratulations.

You are indeed under investigation for fraud and other crimes. You may be able to run, but you can't hide.

Unlike some people we might name (this means you), I have never tried to hide either my identity or my physical address. Unlike you, I have no reason to hide, as I have not engaged in the sort of activity of which you seem quite fond. I have not provided false addresses (as you have), false names (as you have), or denied being who I am (as you have). I have also not received ANY contact from any "authorities" as you like to say regarding ANY case or investigation. How handy is it that you provide exactly zero information and no one, including those people who were supposedly going to be sued by you in May/June of 99 have yet to hear anything from the "attorney" you claim to have on staff? Could it be because this is simply another lie from you and that you are yet again engaging in the very activity you decry from others? Could it be that every reply you make that disregards your own responsibility in the fiasco that you yourself have created simply verifies every single complaint against you? Could it be that you are becoming the single largest reason for people to distrust hosting companies in general and resellers in particular? How do you suppose the other, more reputable businesses represented in this forum and others feel about that? How willing do you suppose they will be to defend you when it is obvious that you simply cannot provide any backing for your claims and prove every point against you?

Crawl back under your little dirty rock.

I have no dirty little secrets to hide, which makes it ever so much easier for me to continue to expose every one of your lies and falsehoods and even easier for me to continue to collect other peoples' stories of the hellishness of dealing with you and your "business". Reputable companies do not engage in the sort of activity you do. Reputable companies would certainly not disparage every single person with a complaint as a "fraudster", "liar", or someone just posting libellous material for the heck of it. Reputable companies know that while good service rarely gets mentioned, bad service gets mentioned to anyone and everyone. You would do well to learn some lessons from them.

Again: post any evidence you may have for any of your outrageous claims or shut up.

Your continued destruction of your own reputation is by far one of the most perversely fascinating acts I've ever encountered on the 'Net.

Joey the Saint

04-08-2000, 11:55 PM

Now THAT'S Entertainment!!

Paula V

04-09-2000, 12:10 AM

I forgot to mention something.. It isn't like we are all just now coming out of the wood work... THIS IS OLD... WAY old.. It's just taking a while for anything to happen..

Matt the mod of the board can tell you this topic is a old one.. Before he had problems with the old board... People were posting.. Before Annettes web page people were posting about this stuff.. So it's not like we have all just now said "Hey let's get him".. Its been this way for a while...

Private Joker

04-09-2000, 12:41 AM

I wonder how Alabanza feels about being an outsource company, their pages are stolen right from their sight, and the don't own their own servers.

I can't believe True Hosing hasn't been kicked yet.

Anonymoose

04-09-2000, 04:37 AM

Tim, very well said! No wonder you all are so pissed off! I see no way that Davey can get out of that one! You've got 'em over a barell! I guess you'll have to start calling you a liar and a fraud again. Ha ha. Well, if that's not proof, I don't know what is! I man, it's obvious! How else could you have been sent his colossus bill from him and why did he send it to two email addresses in the reply! What an ass he is, let him burn! Sue me too Davey!!!!! Sue me because I'm not so stupid, that I'd believe your "side".

Tim Greer

04-09-2000, 05:00 AM

So, did anyone, other than me, happen to notice that on the previous page (#3 - at the bottom), that this "?" person that was mindlessly and foolishly trying to make a point in support of TH, is the _same person_ that posted as "cyberscripts" in support of TH all along? There's more...

That would be Cyber Scripts, the one that's been sticking up for TH and Peter/Davey this entire time (With no reason, because he didn't know what happened - so it's a little strange he chooses to support TH without any reason to or not to!). And to be so viciously against us (Aww, Peter has a dog!)

I thought that seemed a little fishy. So, I'm wondering whom is at that IP and how they are involved with Peter? I mean, they went from saying they were an "observer", to posting under a different name ("?") and saying they've been on TH for a while and love it? Which is it? Look at it this way, why would anyone that was "happy" with their service, even be here!?

Simply put, anyone from TH that's here to support TH, is another fraud that's been sent here, to try and discredit us and our intentions, because he can't possibly make a valid argument or show any proof - I guess he's hoping we're fooled into thinking that people believe him. Well, one fake person, isn't going to help with that cause.

Of course, only a shyster would support him and his crimes. Any normal, decent people care to say they're happy? And, if they are, did they ever even say that they might want to cancel, to see what happens? *LOL* Only liars and "frauds" can seem to support Peter, assuming it's not Peter too? I'll have to trace that.

Regards,
Tim Greer

Davey

04-09-2000, 05:24 AM

"Oh, geez. I'm speechless.. You're impossible! YOU state yourself - to everyone that TRIES to cancel - that you require a cancellation fee of an extra month!"

That is not a cancellation fee, that is notice of cancellation. D'uh.

"But, you claim to be such an expert at running them! Why would you pay someone else to do what you say you can? I don't and I don't even own my systems, nor am I even on my own system, yet. Wen I am, I sure wouldn't pay someone to do work I can and will do!"

Because I personally do not wish to waste my time doing something that I can pay someone else to do. I do not find administering servers fun, so I get someone else to do it.

"How do you know it wasn't their "backbone"? How do you know that it wasn't the DNS that they "had no control over"? That's the excuse you used. Furthermore, I was referring to your systems alone, crashing from the heavy loads, not downtime. I don't believe I've witnessed Colossus being down. Only the systems you were renting."

It was THEIR connection, it was down for an entire afternoon at one point, and MANY times before that. It is their responsibility to manage their own network. They were also responsible for monitoring our servers, so if something was down it shows how incompetant colossus must be.

"Because you don't have that many, I can say one of my web site's gets 2,000,000 hits a day, when it only actually gets about 150,000 hits a day. I can put up any number I want, especially if I'm trying to impress people. Moreover, _most_ "clients" don't know much about hosting, and as long as it's up enough time for them to be happy, that's all that matters. Most clients only care that their account is set up, and nothing more. I never said that "most clients" sign up for your Ultra Plan and know what they are doing and immediately find out about your scam! I expect, most are too naive about it and that the other's just don't care. If they did, you'd have less then you (I estimate) about 200 clients."

It is a FACT that we have over 2000 customers.

"Right, they wouldn't allow you to commit fraudulent acts whilst on their hosting service. It must have been traumatic for you."

No, they could not manage what they were paid to manage. That is what I call fraud and incompetance.

"Not "everyone"."

Yes, they are.

"Many people are happy to settle for low quality, which accounts for these things called "Home Shopping Networks", that means nothing. Again, most people are naive and not concerned, as long as it's up most of the"

Then they can go to budget hosts, not True Hosting.

"Ha ha ... ha! You don't even know enough to realize these things, until I bring it up, yet you claim you're qualified!? Anyone that knew how to do this/web hosting, would simply download the new software, configure, compile, install and reconfigure it. It takes all of 5 minutes to install the newest version of the Apache web server. You're using a version from 3 or more years ago! Further, you say these are your systems, if that's true and you brought them from Colossus, then why didn't you upgrade them, isn't that what you said that YOU do, or even that Alabanza's job description is to do for you? Get your stories straight. You don't have good customer or quality service, if you're using old, insecure, buggy software to run the server's on!"

Again, it is not our responsibility. We have the expertise to manage them, but we have better things to do.

Annette/Tim/Paula/Joey/whatever name they are using now is a fraudster. If we have done anything illegal then go ahead and get us prosecuted.

Otherwise shut up.

04-09-2000, 06:45 AM

oh my god. now you are calling me a fraud? you dont even know me. do you think i was born yesterday? i know very well my ip gets recorded here, i wouldnt post under a different name because that is just stupidity.

as for who cyberscripts is i dont know. that person could live here in san diego or something. i dont know how ip addresses work, but im guessing if he dials up to the net near me that would account for the similar IP. i dont know. but i know it is not me.

i cant even believe this. you are mean. you just proved that right there by accusing me of something that i havent done. is it something you are fond of, accusing people of doing things when they dont. :(

well, since dinner i have been looking through ip addys and searching for truehosting members. i have found quite a few that are happy just like me. im going to post their websites and comments on my website and will put the link here when i am done. i know i cant be the only happy client truehosting has.

Annette

04-09-2000, 09:26 AM

Annette/Tim/Paula/Joey/whatever name they are using now is a fraudster. If we have done anything illegal then go ahead and get us prosecuted.

Otherwise shut up.

You know, you're really starting to irritate me with your continual "You're all the same the person" crap. PROVE IT. Or take your own advice and shut up. Or, heck, go ahead and keep saying it. Let me give you a couple of hints: just because you say it over and over doesn't make it true. It does, however, show that you are an idiot when you cannot provide any backing for your claim. Keep it up - I'm sure everyone gets a kick out of the way you intentionally shoot yourself in the foot over and over and over....

By the way, I really like the way you switch from "I" to "we" in your previous post. How droll. Still care to claim that there's more than one person there? And how about your claim that you are not a reseller? Seems someone has found that you are indeed a client of a client of Alabanza.

But keep replying. It's good sport to knock down your straw-house attempts at dodging responsibility for your actions. It's also a great way to show people exactly what you are.

fthosting

04-09-2000, 10:05 AM

*yawns* sundays not good days. Annette who do truehosting.com resell for then ive looked everywhere cant find a dime/penny but its a sunday and im still tired so if i missed the addie anywhere im sorry.

Also on the front where people go on about knowing the network or servers your on. Im a webmaster yeah. ill admit i dont know everything there is to know about cobalt servers yet. But if i dont and a customer of mine wants to know ill search high and low for the answer. as a happy customer keeps the £££££ rolling in. I actaully look after my customers. Theres 4 us in total who work for fthosting. Theres me (Eddie) Andrew Prentice(support) (www.bitsmart.org also in the states), Heather De Forest ( Graphic Designer www.graphix-direct.co.uk (http://www.graphix-direct.co.uk) ) And Malcolm Sheehan (dont have his own website , Sales Rep) Sorry folks had to do that as in an email i was accused of being a one man band.

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Signing off for now Eddie

Annette

04-09-2000, 10:21 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by fthosting:
*yawns* sundays not good days. Annette who do truehosting.com resell for then ive looked everywhere cant find a dime/penny but its a sunday and im still tired so if i missed the addie anywhere im sorry.

Unfortunately, this fact was pointed out for me by someone but they are unable to release the name of the original client. Too bad, really. Weaselboy's still reselling from Alabanza's servers, though, which in and of itself makes his claim false (hint for "Davey": if you don't own the servers you're selling space from, you're reselling from someone else's service. Get it?). Doesn't really matter, as it happens, since he does this from time to time (cf. May/June 99 when he posted to alt.www.webmaster and sent email to people (complete with lawsuit threats) stating that he was not a reseller when in fact it was pointed out to him that he resold from Colossus prior to them booting him).

Another thought I had last night when catching up on everything I missed during my vacation: it's funny, but I would never have started that section of my site if "Davey" had simply a) not been rude and b) cancelled my account as requested (or had a cancellation method that worked). Since he insisted on being an ass, and I found quite a few other people unhappy with his "service", I decided that he deserved to be exposed for what he was. That said, I thought about it a bit during my vacation and decided that I would simply let things run their course when I returned - i.e., let OFT/DTI deal with the complaints that have been sent, keep the page updated, etc., but basically just lay back awhile and see how things went. Unfortunately for "Davey", he simply couldn't resist trying his antics (again) when I was away, and I simply cannot abide someone trying to trash my good name without cause. It's difficult to see why he cannot understand that the only thing he's doing when he types yet another "fraudster" reply is flushing more of whatever is left of his reputation down the toilet (or WC, if you prefer). I have yet to see any other hosting company act in such a strangely hari-kiri manner, and wonder just how long those who support him will be able to willfully ignore his actions.

Davey

04-09-2000, 11:43 AM

Look, scum.

You are a fraud, and everyone here knows it. You do not fool anyone, try again! We have never resold for anyone, and do not resell now. You are one single little low-life pretending to be many people.

Go get yourself a life, loser.

Digit

04-09-2000, 02:04 PM

Davey,

It's really funny... you say you have 2000 users on TrueHosting, but on alt.www.webmaster you said you had 14,000 users.

Have you lost 12,000 customers?

Oh yeah, how is that office in New Orleans going?

Remember Bradley Goodman?

URL may wrap: http://x28.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=562071758&CONTEXT=945552723.172883989&hitnum=0Dear Newsgroup Readers,

My name is Bradley Goodman, I am currently the Customer Service Manager at Vector Enterprises, a UK-based company that recently acquired True Hosting. (If you are not aware of this, please see http://www.truehosting.com/press.htm)

I have spent the last hour reading through the various messages posted in this forum, and would like to address some people in this newsgroup on a one-to-one basis. I have worked for 12 years in various public relations and customer service positions in different companies, and believe that the first aspect to customer service is listening. Some of the comments that have been posted here seem very inappropriate, and in many cases completely slanderous. If any customer of True Hosting has any specific problem or issue regarding our service, please email me directly (bgoodman@truehosting.com) and I will get back to you as soon as
possible.

For the record, our company has an extremely good track record in customer satisfaction, and we fully intend to carry this forward with our acquisition of True Hosting. The transfer of operations from the previous owners (who were, frankly, overwhelmed by demand and did not have the resources to grow fast enough) of True Hosting has been completed, with only minor issues in terms of paperwork to be addressed, and we are ready to listen to our customers and work on creating good and valuable relationships with them. Reading through the posts made in this newsgroup, I failed to identify the actual problems people were experiencing. If there are indeed any outstanding problems, please contact me directly and I can work with you to get them taken care of. (bgoodman@truehosting.com)

I would like to explain the reasoning behind our decision to purchase True Hosting from its previous owners. After starting out in providing computer repairs, consultation, and building PCs on very much a local level, we decided that it was not going anywhere fast. Simply operating out of a single shop, we were not going to make any significant impact on the market or become "one of the big guys". After promoting basic "Internet PCs", we took this a step further to provide ISP service through a reseller agreement with a national ISP. Today, the computer and software sales are going stronger than ever, but with the introduction of Freeserve in England, we could no longer compete effectively in that particular market, so are now expanding into hosting and E-Commerce services. The acquisition of True Hosting represents our entry into the hosting market, with E-Commerce and also web design currently being offered through a separate brand name. We intend to operate the True Hosting service completely independently of our current services, and will slowly integrate our E-Commerce offerings and web hosting to create complete business solutions.

Before we do this, we have chosen to "let the dust settle", and not bring together these new services until we are confident the current situation is stabilised. Following in the new year (we are currently estimating March 2000) will be the introduction of telephone support from a new USA office, based in New Orleans for our American customers. We have evaluated the needs of our clients, and around 80% of all hosting customers are US-based, so this seems a natural move to go where our customers are. I will personally be overseeing the implementation of this new USA support center, and everyone here is already excited about the project.

We hope to increase customer satisfaction levels and maintain the high popularity of the True Hosting service, and we can only do that if people calmly explain what we are doing wrong and how they feel we could improve.

Thank you all for your time in reading this post, I am sure you will come to realise that nobody at Vector Enterprises, including our hosting service, is interested in "scamming" anyone. We are already accepting new customers, and have been very pleased with the response we have received.

Please do not post your replies to this newsgroup, I would rather deal directly one-to-one with individuals. My email address is
bgoodman@truehosting.com - do not hesitate to contact me.

Bradley Goodman
Customer Service & Relations Manager
Vector Enterprises

Davey

04-09-2000, 02:44 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>

It's really funny... you say you have 2000 users on TrueHosting, but on alt.www.webmaster you said you had 14,000 users.

Have you lost 12,000 customers?
[/quote]

No, we have not. We have never had 14,000 customers, and never claimed to. The number of customers we have is growing exponentially, beyond our wildest dreams. It has never fallen.

Joey the Saint

04-09-2000, 02:51 PM

And just like that, the world takes a turn for the surreal.

This is eerie, man; it's like Davey just cobbled together a customer service rep out of spare processor parts and a spell-checker.

Why was it that the last time I sent email to you, Brad, I got a reply from TH Customer Service? Can I call you at the number listed for Truehosting and someone other than Davey's Dad will answer?

Assuming you're real, please post the name of your attorney, and a PHYSICAL address where we can send legal documents.

Oh, yeah; also, um, why can't I find any record of YOUR company?

Thanks!

-- J.

fthosting

04-09-2000, 02:51 PM

Correct me if im wrong on this one Davey. But when people leave you to go to another host does that not mean you have lost a customer ??? keeping there ip address alive does not count as a customer. And if your wildest dreams was to be content with less than 2000 then your not a firm with high expectations.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Davey:
No, we have not. We have never had 14,000 customers, and never claimed to. The number of customers we have is growing exponentially, beyond our wildest dreams. It has never fallen.[/quote]

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Signing off for now Eddie

Joey the Saint

04-09-2000, 02:52 PM

Never mind. I thought that was a reply from Bradley, himself.

Damn, that was gonna be good.

-- J.

Joey the Saint

04-09-2000, 03:11 PM

(This didn't post twice. Sorry if it pops up again. I copied, checked to see if it'd posted; it hadn't, so I did it again, and added the PS at the bottom.)

-- J.

======

> Look, scum.

- Wow. I've been waiting to be called "scum" ever since I saw Empire Strikes Back! Davey, you fulfill my wildest dreams, you know that?

> You are a fraud, and everyone here knows it. You do not fool anyone, try again! We have never resold for anyone, and do not resell now. You are one single little low-life pretending to be many people.

> Go get yourself a life, loser.

- Once again, True Hosting proves that they are the "Leaders in Customer Service."

(That, Davey, is irony, and I'll reiterate, that means that the intended meaning of that statement is the opposite of its literal meaning.)

All: There's a dissection of TH's business practices as I understand them in the other TH thread. I don't want to x-post it but I'd be curious as to your thoughts.

-- J.

PS: Oh, yeah, Davey?

15 customers a week is not exponential growth. If you had 2000 customers, then an exponential growth would mean you suddenly had 40,000 customers, and then 80,000,000. (And I'm sorry, ft, but if there are ever 80,000,000 Truehosting customers we'll have to nuke Cambridge.)

Annette

04-09-2000, 04:25 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Davey:
Look, scum.

You are a fraud, and everyone here knows it. You do not fool anyone, try again! We have never resold for anyone, and do not resell now. You are one single little low-life pretending to be many people.

Go get yourself a life, loser.[/quote]

Bzzt. Wrong answer. I have yet to encounter any single person (excepting you, with your delusional mindset) who believes that I am anyone other than myself. Every single one of the posts on this forum has the IP address attached to it. Are you really suggesting that I have nothing better to do with my time than to sign up for multiple ISPs just so I can post here to point out what a jackass you are when you do it yourself and it takes absolutely none of my time? Prove your allegations or shut up.

You have been in the past and you are currently a reseller. Your denying this changes nothing, and simply shows again what a classic idiot you are, both technically and service-wise.

It's absolutely astonishing to me that you continue to parade your technical illiteracy and your stunning lack of rationality everywhere like some prize you've won at a country fair. The fact that you take pride in your activities certainly helps keep people away from you while at the same time keeps others goggling at you like some freak in a sideshow.

Keep going, though. The amusement factor should never be left out of any equation.

fthosting

04-09-2000, 04:25 PM

I dont mind nuking cambridge :). Well lets just see how much longer they continue trading ill take bets now .

2-1 6 months (odds on favorite)
3-4 12 months
1,000,0000/1 2 years

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Joey the Saint:
(This didn't post twice. Sorry if it pops up again. I copied, checked to see if it'd posted; it hadn't, so I did it again, and added the PS at the bottom.)

-- J.

======

> Look, scum.

- Wow. I've been waiting to be called "scum" ever since I saw Empire Strikes Back! Davey, you fulfill my wildest dreams, you know that?

> You are a fraud, and everyone here knows it. You do not fool anyone, try again! We have never resold for anyone, and do not resell now. You are one single little low-life pretending to be many people.

> Go get yourself a life, loser.

- Once again, True Hosting proves that they are the "Leaders in Customer Service."

(That, Davey, is irony, and I'll reiterate, that means that the intended meaning of that statement is the opposite of its literal meaning.)

All: There's a dissection of TH's business practices as I understand them in the other TH thread. I don't want to x-post it but I'd be curious as to your thoughts.

-- J.

PS: Oh, yeah, Davey?

15 customers a week is not exponential growth. If you had 2000 customers, then an exponential growth would mean you suddenly had 40,000 customers, and then 80,000,000. (And I'm sorry, ft, but if there are ever 80,000,000 Truehosting customers we'll have to nuke Cambridge.)

[/quote]

Joey the Saint

04-09-2000, 06:45 PM

This is X-posted from the other TH Thread, in reply to "?" 's comment about just writing off her $9.95 a month.

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<snip>

Let me give you an example of why you don't want to just "write off" that ten dollars.

For starters, Davey may be banking on the fact that we'll all just write it off and forget about him.

If he had 20 people a month "writing it off," that's $200 a month (not counting setup fees) he'd get for doing nothing.

Which is not much, when you think about it.

. . . or is it?

You see, he doesn't cancel your account. He sure as hell hasn't cancelled either of mine. He keeps racking up charges, month after month. You saw my cancellation notice, I posted it in the other thread. He still says I owe him money for services since then.

In fact, the recurring complaint I've found has been that even if you stop paying, TrueHosting keeps charging. Pay attention, class; you will see this material again.

Take that $9.95 a month -- one lunch at McD's for you and your sweetie -- and multiply that by the number of accounts he refuses to cancel -- assume 20 a month just for the sake of this example -- times, say, two years he's been in business. Right now that would be 480 times $10; that's five grand a MONTH he'd be charging. Sixty thousand dollars a year; 40,000 pounds, give or take.

No matter what the amount, he's not collecting any of it. But he's charging it nonetheless. Month after month, racking up bills he knows he'll never see paid.

Assume those 480 people tell him to go get potted, as so many doubtless have; they just delete his emails and eventually move their email addresses and forget about him.

That's okay; he never even TRIES to collect it. He just bills it every month.

Why?

Why rack up fake debts and NEVER try to collect?

That one had me scratching my head for weeks.

Well, on his books, that money owed him is in Accounts Receivable; it's an asset, even if he doesn't actually have it. So he can add that fraudulent "owed" money to the value of his business. He can include it with his estimated monthly income when he applies for credit or car loans or a mortgage or whatever; he could leverage against it. It would be enormously stupid, but that doesn't mean I'd put it past him.

If he filed taxes, he could take a loss on it as "bad debts." Oh, the friggin' irony.

And I'll tell you what: that extra five grand a month probably looks really sweet should he want to sell his service. He can add that five thousand dollars a month (and growing!) onto his figures for his annual billing.

"We billed (insert inestimable bogus figure here) last year! Here's the books! Look for yourself! Sign here! (No refunds)."

All it would take is some wet-behind-the-ears cyber-geekster with minimal business experience and delusions of grandeur (er, one more, I should say, in deference to Davey) to come along, waving his checkbook. Since Davey's not licensed, who knows what kind of under-the-table deal it would actually be.

Gaahh-hh. Makes my skin crawl.

That's an instance of how "writing off" that $10 a month assists someone like him in doing what he may well be doing. I beseech you: don't do it.

<snip> (Personal comment to "?" removed.)

DAVEY! I'm not saying you do this; I haven't seen your books. All I said was that you MAY be doing this.

But I can't figure out why else you'd put yourself through the aggravation of charging people with debts not owed to you, and why you never -- NEVER -- back it up with collections. I don't see how else your ludicrous course of action could benefit you.

Two words for anyone who should God Forbid try to buy TrueHosting:

CAVEAT EMPTOR.

-- J.

Tim Greer

04-09-2000, 11:07 PM

Of course, you couldn't answer one question, or justify ONE act you've committed... But then again, how could you possibly?

>>"Oh, geez. I'm speechless.. You're impossible! YOU state yourself - to everyone that
>>TRIES to cancel - that you require a cancellation fee of an extra month!"

>That is not a cancellation fee, that is notice of cancellation. D'uh.

Which requires a FEE. You don't _require_ "30 days notice", for the sake of giving them another 30 days to have their site up (when they obviously don't want to!) you _require_ a month's fee's to cancel. That means, you require a fee. Just admit it. I mean, however you look at it, you do. Why don't you just say "We require a fee, or 30 days notice - take your pick - to cancel your account, for our time and effort involved." Isn't that a reasonable excuse? Further, why did you tell that one user, he'd have to pay you $1,200 to be able to cancel then? So, you don't charge a cancellation fee, but you DO charge for an extra month's fee's, for each account? You realize, that's the same thing, and it means the same thing - "D'uh".

>>"But, you claim to be such an expert at running them! Why would you pay someone else
>>to do what you say you can? I don't and I don't even own my systems, nor am I even on
>>my own system, yet. Wen I am, I sure wouldn't pay someone to do work I can and will do!"

>Because I personally do not wish to waste my time doing something that I can pay someone
>else to do.

Oh, yeah, right!

> I do not find administering servers fun, so I get someone else to do it.

Bad excuse. You say on your own servers, about how much superior your services are, because you can "do all the work yourself, and not have to pay other people to do it". Further, if that's the case, then how come, after all this time, you haven't hired someone to update your old, insecure and buggy server software? f you knew what you were doing, you'd' know how important that is, and you'd have fixed the problem, or hired someone to. You simply didn't know - not that you'd care anyway. :-) I'm willing to bet, in a few months' time, the server software is still not resolved.

>>"How do you know it wasn't their "backbone"? How do you know that it wasn't the DNS
>>that they "had no control over"? That's the excuse you used. Furthermore, I was
>>referring to your systems alone, crashing from the heavy loads, not downtime. I don't
>>believe I've witnessed Colossus being down. Only the systems you were renting."

>It was THEIR connection, it was down for an entire afternoon at one point, and MANY
>times before that.

So, why on the news group, were you telling everyone how much you loved them, and how you planned to stay on them for a long time to come? This is all archived, your excuses are weak.

>It is their responsibility to manage their own network. They were
>also responsible for monitoring our servers, so if something was down it shows how
>incompetant colossus must be.

Or how incompetent you are, for not fixing problems you claim to know about for so long (over a year now) - or hire someone to.
How incompetent, is it for someone to claim to have the expertise to do things (and not have
to wait for others, since they are "your servers"), when they don't have a clue or care about
any of the problems? Either way, you're incompetent and this shows how wonderful your services and customer care/concern are NOT.
You have yet to resolve the problem, or hire someone to.

>>"Because you don't have that many, I can say one of my web site's gets 2,000,000 hits
>>a day, when it only actually gets about 150,000 hits a day. I can put up any number I
>>want, especially if I'm trying to impress people. Moreover, _most_ "clients" don't know
>>much about hosting, and as long as it's up enough time for them to be happy, that's all
>>that matters. Most clients only care that their account is set up, and nothing
>>more. I never said that "most clients" sign up for your Ultra Plan and know what
>>they are doing and immediately find out about your scam! I expect, most are too
>>naive about it and that the other's just don't care. If they did, you'd have less
>>then you (I estimate) about 200 clients."

>It is a FACT that we have over 2000 customers.

it is a fact, that you can't prove that, nor will you anyway (as you say), so... why bring it up? A: You can't prove it. B: You're not willing to prove it. C: it's completely irrelevant to what people are saying about you, so why bother bringing it up? Even if you're using that excuse to say you can't possibly have that many customer's, if you were so bad, well, that's not true at all. There's a few hundred million people online and many of them have site's on crappy services.

>>"Right, they wouldn't allow you to commit fraudulent acts whilst on their hosting service.
>>It must have been traumatic for you."

>No, they could not manage what they were paid to manage. That is what I call fraud and
>incompetance.

I see, so you admit, that no matter the situation and facts, you either didn't have the knowledge or ability to see the problem, or fix it, nor the insight or care to hire someone else to fix it, or even look and see if there's anything to be fixed.
Further, WHY are you bringing up Colossus? I'm talking about your problem NOW, the problem with your software on your current web servers! That has nothing to do with Colossus,. you said yourself, that Alabanza handles the upgrades and server stuff now.

>>"Not "everyone"."

>Yes, they are.

Well, there's a few recent one's that found technogirl that aren't happy. I'm not, nor are the other people here pissed at you for what you did. How can anyone in their right mind be "happy", if you did to them, what you did to me? Sure, maybe I'd be "happy" and still a customer, IF I didn't know how to check the system out and believed I was on the system you lied about I would get. I'd just buy into your excuses, tat my site is taking 5 minutes to respond to httpd requests, because of a "DNS problem that's out of your control". Sure, I guess there's people like hat, and I'm betting they're "happy" - if you mean "happy" means they haven't found this site to voice their problems with you, or "happy" meaning they just figure that's how it is with all servers.

>>"Many people are happy to settle for low quality, which accounts for these things
>>called "Home Shopping Networks", that means nothing. Again, most people are naive
>>and not concerned, as long as it's up most of the"

>Then they can go to budget hosts, not True Hosting.

You are a "budget host", which accounts for your prices, as well as your claims - some of which, are not possible. You didn't seem to understand, that YOU and your service, is the low quality service. I was saying, places exist.. any customer that knew that you were doing and didn't care, doesn't mind the low quality service, or they are just someone looking to pick a fight (i.e., the "?" person - whom you obviously know).

>>"Ha ha ... ha! You don't even know enough to realize these things, until I bring it up,
>>yet you claim you're qualified!? Anyone that knew how to do this/web hosting, would
>>simply download the new software, configure, compile, install and reconfigure it. It
>>takes all of 5 minutes to install the newest version of the Apache web server. You're
>>using a version from 3 or more years ago! Further, you say these are your systems, if
>>that's true and you brought them from Colossus, then why didn't you upgrade them, isn't
>>that what you said that YOU do, or even that Alabanza's job description is to do for you?
>>Get your stories straight. You don't have good customer or quality service, if you're
>>using old, insecure, buggy software to run the server's on!"

>Again,

04-09-2000, 11:07 PM

unreg

04-09-2000, 11:07 PM

Tim Greer

04-09-2000, 11:20 PM

>No, they could not manage what they were paid to manage. That is what
>I call fraud and incompetance.

Wonderful! You admit you're committing fraud, and had the intention to all along! I mean, that's exactly what YOU did to me and others! You were PAID to provide the services outlines in your hosting plan descriptions, and you knew you wouldn't and couldn't provide the services - and flat out refused to! There's no excuse and I have proof. Even if you call me a liar, you'll now have to also admit, that if I DID provide proof beyond a reasonable doubt, that you - by your own admission, once again - would be 100.9% guilty of fraud and incompetence! See, we're getting somewhere, finally!

Cheers,
Tim Greer

fthosting

04-10-2000, 12:08 AM

Im pretending to be people now ? Well if your saying that just check out my contact page http://www.fthosting.co.uk/vengine.php3?nID=7
I know these are uk numbers but im sure We do have a us person who works with us as a volunteer. Andrew Prentice http://www.bitsmart.org/contact.html theres his details. Notice how all our staff even the ones who work for free dont mind being contacted ? So if anyone would wish to try these numbers id advise heavily against phoning mine and malcolms number if you live in the us as it would cost you around $3.00 a minute thats how much it costs my friend in the states to call my one2one mobile. Also People the phone number you have for truehosting is a mobile i think by looking at the number its a vodaphone.
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Davey:
Look, scum.

You are a fraud, and everyone here knows it. You do not fool anyone, try again! We have never resold for anyone, and do not resell now. You are one single little low-life pretending to be many people.

Go get yourself a life, loser.[/quote]

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Signing off for now Eddie

Tim Greer

04-10-2000, 12:23 AM

n response to "?":

> oh my god. now you are calling me a fraud?

You are fraudulently posting under many different names, all mindlessly in support of truehosting. Claiming there's no evidence that truehosting has done anything wrong, you wish them success- you're just an observer, now you've been on their service and very happy for a while now! Why would anyone (happy that they aren't aware they're being scammed, or not!) find any of our postings and evidence, to be ridiculous, invalid or untrue? Obviously you know him, or are him. it would make no sense, to be attacking us! Further, you say how we all sound childish? What was childish about my proof? Moreover, you certainly didn't refer to Davey as being such, why is that? I'm here providing proof, and not unlike "Davey", it doesn't make one difference to you - providing evidence, that you're only here to discredit us and support TH, yet, for some "unknown reason", other then being a "happy customer"? Be that as it may, true or not, are claims and problems are valid, and I see right through you! Your IP are not "similar", they are "exact". This "other person (cyber scripts) that has such a passion to hate us for our efforts, as do you (hmm), just coincidentally happens to be in the "exact" same area of your TOWN, found this board and is involved in this whole fiasco (mind you, the only "other" (assumed) person, other then you that has shown any remotely small to significant amount of hate for us and support for TH - all without being able to know the story), and is the only other here that's in support of TH? Now, that's just pathetic, I have every logical reason to believe you're here fraudulently posing as someone else, to help make us all look like the "mean" and "unreasonable" and "unjustified" people. Apparently, once again, not unlike "Davey/TH", you can't comprehend this, or you're not literate. Sure, say I'm "mean" and how TH was right about us, because of MY single comment about you (note, not others, just me - so your claim as to the group of us, based on my sole action, is not valid!) Say I'm a jerk, say I have no reason, say I'm being unreasonable, paranoid and not unlike you or Davey in my reactions, statements and claims :-) However, don't be foolish enough to say I'm the entire "group". I will simply respond, with something along the lines of "Apparently you're not only naive, but ignorant, because you're not willing to learn or accept the fact, that my complain is valid and I have provided undeniable proof hat he committed fraud against me and launched an email attack!).

You've said such things, to begin with and in support of TH (which at that point, you had no reason to, or not to believe any of it), the following:

"So far I haven't seen any real evidence that could be used against TrueHosting."

Again, can you not READ? Look at my post, for one. I not only claimed it, but provided evidence. It proves my claims to be fact. has TH ever done such a thing? No! Yet, you still hope we all go away and leave TH alone? Yeah, right! Like I said, you are a friend of his, or him. Your intention was not to come here biased, you had a specific intention when you came here, and that was to support TH, no matter how valid or justified our arguments and points, and make your best attempt to argue our points, claims and statements (and warnings) in TH's favor. Now, following the threads, make it increasingly obvious - and now, you at like I'm mindlessly attacking you (poor you), for making an obvious observation .. Hence, you were "revealed", as were your intentions, and you, not unlike TH and Davey, are trying to make me look like the unreasonable, mean, lying, fraud, because I posted in regards to it.

> you dont even know me.

I didn't say I "knew you", I said I know you're the same person.

> do you think i was born yesterday?

No, I estimate that you were born no more then 12 or 13 years ago, judging by your actions and logic.

> i know very well my ip gets recorded here, i wouldnt post under a different name because that is just stupidity.

Point taken, I'm aware. :-) Please, make any attempt to explain this strange and very rare "coincidence". I'm willing to bet, an email to the ISP in question, as well as the logs at this web host, prove you to not only be on the same system even, but the fact that you're the same account holder. In which case, it'd have served you better, to just have claimed that you were at this "cyber scripts" house and are the "friend" he claims to have that just happens to hold an account on TH and is so "happy" with them. Why is it no one, but "anonymous" people care to post in support? Why, because they'd have to have a web site to back up their claim of being a true client!

> as for who cyberscripts is i dont know.

Oh, I see, you just don't know him. This guy on the same EXACT server, in the same area of your town, that happens to know so many happy clients on TH, and has found this board, as you have somehow? How did YOu find this board? I mean, TH didn't email all his client's asking for support, and you act like you don't know him, so how did you get here and know about this? How is it that you can't possibly know cyber-scripts? What a joke! You, not unlike Davey, make this just way too easy! This sort of thing, is not only so unlikely, that it's near impossible, but the content of your postings and obvious intent to disregard any facts we present and support TH so mindlessly, is fact enough to prove the person you are, even if you weren't the same person that posted as "cyber scripts" - even though you are! I'm just waiting to hear how it's your little brother or something.

> that person could live here in san diego or something.

The same exact area, as a matter of fact. There's already to many inconsistencies in your statements, and you haven't even said much yet!

> i dont know how ip addresses work,

That's not relevant, unless its' to prove that you had reason to think you might get away with convincing us you're someone else.

> but im guessing if he dials up to the net near me that would account for the similar IP.

That is true, but so highly unlikely, that I'd have to get confirmation from your ISP to know otherwise.

> i dont know. but i know it is not me.

You said that.

> i cant even believe this.

Why? Given the facts I've provided, and your obvious intentions, and similarities, you still have trouble believing that? If I am wrong, which I doubt, there's far, far more evidence to support my theory, then TH has to support his about all of us (myself, Annette, Paula, Joey, etc. all being the same people. That seems to be justified and reasonable when TH claims it (without even near the evidence - in fact there was none - to support TH's claim!)

> you are mean.

No, I'm suspicious, justified, knowledgeable and aware. I'm not "mean" for saying that it appears that's you and you have less then honorable intentions. If that's the case, then you must be admitting, that TH are very mean (and wrong). So, are you willing to admit that, and I admit my mistake and we both apologize (me fro assuming you're the other guy, and you for saying we are wrong and TH seems like a good guy?) If not, you've already supported me in that logic, whether you are "happy" about it or not. If it were any other way, then you'd not have made the statements you have about me.

> you just proved that right there by accusing me of something that i havent done.

As I said, that being the case, you've just, inadvertently admitted, that TH is worse then me, yet you're supporting them and condemning us!

> is it something you are fond of, accusing people of doing things when they dont.

Is it something TH appears to be fond of? Once again, by your own admission, TH is a terrible company and Davey (or whatever he is) is a worse person then me, so why are you supporting them?

> well, since dinner i have been looking through ip addys and searching for truehosting members.

Oh? How is that? How did you search and find any? He doesn't have any ment

unreg

04-10-2000, 12:23 AM

Tim Greer

04-10-2000, 12:43 AM

A Warning to Truehosting, Davey/Peter/David/whatever else you claim to be...

By now, you can see, that you're _not_ going to come out looking good in this debate/argument. You're dealing with more than a few people, that are all far, far more intelligent and reasonable than you are.

I for one, have proven, that I can be just as arrogant, unreasonable, egotistical and persistent as you as. Add the rest of the group - which is continually growing - into the mix and you're in for a big lose. I, for one, practically have a black-belt in this type of thing, I practically have a degree in this, so why waste time? With the evidence we have, you have no hope whatsoever. Do you enjoy being our punching bag? You seem to enjoy egging it on, and then it just ends up on your face. As interesting a concept that may be for a psychologist to study, it's not helping your campaign.

Notice, what in my posts, I have something called "evidence" and "reason", and "valid claims". You do not. I advice, suggest, urge and demand you "give up" and stop harming your own image, which is already tarnished beyond repair.

You, on the other hand, act childish, foolish, and belligerent in your mindless and pointless ranting. As you (tried to) say, either "put up, or shut up". Provide something valid and relevant, or we can just continue this until a legal entity does. I'm fine with that, but let it be known, I can and will respond in like. I can and will (if needed) be just as immature, unreasonable, egotistical as you are.

In short, I could make you eat every one of your words, even if I was wrong, because you can't make a valid argument to save your life, but the fact that I have a valid argument and reason, you are just going to fail. I can tell you like embarrassing yourself, and that you're a failure, but you're really making it far too easy. You suck at this, to be bunt, and although I'm losing interest, because you're an Neanderthalic bore, I will not bow down and you will, no matter the time frame, go down in flames.

Do what you will, don't say I didn't try and save us all the time, hassle and laughter. :-)

PS: I know you fear me.

No regards to you,
Tim Greer

Tim Greer

04-10-2000, 01:36 AM

Additionally, I'd like to add a comment to the part on truehosting's web site, that's a page dedicated to their "why sign up with us?" scam (which all other server's claim anyway, but they usually at least try to meet their stated claims!)

>"Do their servers match their claims?
>
> Some web hosts and server providers will
> advertise the latest technology but when
> your account is setup it is on a much
> lower-end server."

Okay, so, since your "Ultra Plan" page, says that you will provide the user an account on a system with no more then 10 total accounts allowed on that system, a dual CPU mother board (i.e., dual Pentium 450 MHZ CPU's), a GIG of RAM and a GIG of disk space, a unique IP address, control panels, stats, mod_perl, etc. - then tell me, why do you go out of your way, to post this fraudulent "incentive" to get new clients to sign up, when that's EXACTLY what you do!? I mean, your reason to sign up, is hat you're guilty of! You put me on a system with over 300 users, one CPU, and 128 MEGs of RAM, no unique IP, no control panel or stats, etc.

Tell me, how pissed off do you think someone's going to be, if that is the REASOn why they sign up with you? Say someone goes there sometime in the next few days, the read that and because of that, they sign up for your Ultra Plan!

Now, let's assume they know how to check the system when they log in, and they see it's not anything near the system specified. They email you and you tell them that you gave them what they paid for! Do you know that they'll see you're guilty of fraud? I mean, clearly, this is a scam! You completely have the intent to commit fraud! This is your plan! I just think it's a bit strange, that you use this very thing, to give as a reason of why they _should_ sign up with your services! You're just asking for problems!

Further, the only way anyone can describe a happy customer on your service, would be the following:

1: They don't know they're being scammed. (This is the most popular reason, and it's because most people don't know how to check, or they just only want to upload HTML files and images, nothing more).

2: They foolishly believe that we (the victims) are some rouge user's with no good reason (wherein they are mindless trolls to still believe you, after seeing evidence otherwise).

3: They are a friend of yours and have no life, not unlike you.

4: They are the type that would rather just deal with shoddy service and avoid it.

5: They are afraid of confrontation.

6: They are just lucky and only tried to access their site (which only contains HTML and image files) when you were up.

7: They simply don't care and are the type of people that only care when they personally run into a problem - which will happen.

8: They don't know there's so many other victims (commonly the other main reason we don't hear from so many!)

9: They figure there must be other people, but don't know how to find them (also common).

10: They figure they'll just let you SPAM and harass them and never check that email account and silently move their domain, without actually dealing with you, or having any concern for other victims and future victims - which is understanding, given your insane abuse.

That is my top 10 list, of why there are seemingly "happy customers", I very much doubt you have any (or many - even over 5, which is really pushing it!) customers that actually run web sites that deal with anything short of a small site, with only HTML and image file and know what they are doing, that are happy - unless you've randomly selected a few "unluckies" to give a break to and actually not charge them or something, and that's not likely. Show me ONE person, that's' not anonymous and that's hiding, that knows what they are doing and has a reasonably interactive, well trafficked site (i.e., not just HTML and images - but to have CGI in Perl, C, Python, PHP Java or whatever else you say you offer, but is all messed up!)

Show me one of those people that know what they are doing, won't hide and will give legitimate reason why they are happy with your services - someone who's not a pal of yours, and someone that's not you pretending to be someone else or the like. Can you _ever_ provide that? I'm not going to hold my breath.

No regards to TH,
Tim Greer

Tim Greer

04-10-2000, 02:06 AM

Well, I'm going to register here, so I can edit my posts for now on. Often, in the process of typing my responses, I get furious about him being able to continue this sort of madness and fraud - add his cocky attitude - that I type at such a rate of speed to say everything I want to be sure to say, that I not only start forgetting to complete my points - but worse yet - I make so many typo's that it's difficult to understand my point(s) and/or words, phrasings and sentences.

Just take a little time reading my previous posts and know there are small (to significant) mistakes in my typing that may confuse you for a moment. For now on, I'll use spell check and edit any of my posts that I've made such mistakes in... Unfortunately, I can't go back and edit my posts, as I obviously was not registered at that point. :-(

Regards,
Tim Greer

inwks

04-10-2000, 05:07 AM

Has it ever occured to anyone that the time davey spends on this site (and I guess other sites) trying hopelessly to defend his actions, could be put to better use building a better service for his customers?

If I was using a hosting company that spent most of its time on bulletin boards slagging off past customers, I would be asking myself the very serious question of: "If he spends all is time on here, what time does he spend ensuring my servers and more importantly my data is safe. What am I paying him for?"

Let's face it, you don't just pay a hosting company for the space and bandwidth. You also pay for all those value adds like data backup, security against attacks, etc. etc. Which is a rolling task, not a one off. Where does davey get the time to perform all these tasks? Does he never sleep? I know he will claim that Alabanza do this for him, but as it is his company they are effectly running, would he not be checking that they are doing the job properly? By the looks of his postings, he does not.

As anyone taken a poll to guess the guy's age. Based on previous postings (and the suggestion that his dad cashes the cheques), I would estimate 14-15. After all, he has the mental attitude of one.....

Tim Greer

04-10-2000, 07:17 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by triumph595:
Has it ever occured to anyone that the time davey spends on this site (and I guess other sites) trying hopelessly to defend his actions, could be put to better use building a better service for his customers?

Exactly my point, which I've made clear many times. I also fail to understand his arguments (no matter how poorly executed), when he does nothing _but_ argue! Like I said, if he spent 1/2 the time at his site doing his alleged job, then a good amount of people might not be here, but there'd still be a few.

I imagine it'd take some time, to scam people like he does. Truehosting is - a scam and a jerk. He only likes to rip people off and fight about it. I've seen nothing else. Oh, wait, he lies, he likes to think he's God and right all the time - even when he knows he's not (He likes to think what he says, magically changes the world and makes it true! - that's obvious, but because Annette said it, he'll just say I'm her saying it again), not to mention he likes to showcase his ego.

As for me being "Annette", I really don't think my wife's into that, and my mother-in-law is in for quite a shock this coming week! I knew I'd have to come clean eventually. Peter, you bastard! Now I have to move back to... uh, wherever Annette lives! Geez, all these people she is, she must owe a lot of taxes! ****, she can pay my taxes and save me the trouble. Annette, be quick, it's near the 15th and you have, by my count, about 30 different "aliases" to file under. I'm envious of the money you must make too, being 30 people and all. No wonder Peter's jealous! Just alias yourself as another few million people and put Bill gates to shame!

If I was using a hosting company that spent most of its time on bulletin boards slagging off past customers, I would be asking myself the very serious question of: "If he spends all is time on here, what time does he spend ensuring my servers and more importantly my data is safe. What am I paying him for?"

Right, but as you can see, he figures it's not his responsibility - his own words that I didn't twist to seem that's what he meant - he said that, flat out. It's not even the fact that he doesn't know how to actually do what he claims, but how ridiculous it is, for him to act like he can think it's okay to just say he's not responsible, and if Alabanza has insecure, buggy, dated software, that he's "okay with it" and isn't concerned.

I mean, assuming he _could_ do it, why wouldn't he take 5 minutes and do it, rather then just leaving this problem ongoing for over a year now!? He can't do it, but maybe he should HIRE Alabanza to, since it's their "job" anyway. If that was the case, he shouldn't wait for someone else to do it. He'd rather leave it like that for years, then do it, just because he wants to put the blame on someone else? (Again, having nothing to do with him actually being able to or not!) Yet, he still claims to be the best service out there? He flat out admits that it's not even close.

Let's face it, you don't just pay a hosting company for the space and bandwidth.

I doubt he can provide that much even. :-)

You also pay for all those value adds like data backup,

Well, need I mention how everyone was told they had to manually back up their files, before Colossus took them back under their possession? Need I mention the BILL Peter sent me, in his email attack by mistake (the email containing the BILL was a mistake - not the attack!) and how the bill clearly stated and charged for servers as RENTALS and NOT his own!

Need I mention, that he still says they were HIS OWN, yet everyone had to back up their data and ALL data was GONE when they servers were moved? The files are STILL there in that case, you know Davey! Need I mention that it's not possible to move servers some 2,000 miles or more, in a matter of minutes!

Finally, and in regard to backups, need I mention again, that backups never occured to him, which is why everyone was told they'd have to back up their own files and accounts (which can be excessive, and too large to even hope to do!) and how he never backed up anything when he had his alleged servers there the entire time! No, because you have to pay EXTRA to have Colossus or any other host provider, to do backups, since they are THEIR servers!

security against attacks, etc. etc.

As Davey says, you're in "dreamland!".

Which is a rolling task, not a one off.

Sure, if you take something called "responsibility". :-)

Where does davey get the time to perform all these tasks?

Well, it's pretty easy to just answer your own questions as you ask them, when it's a bad thing and it's to do with truehosting. I believe the answer you're looking for, is "he doesn't, never did and never will". When someone signs up, he types in a single command to add their account information. After that, he considers his services rendered and that's the end of that.

Does he never sleep?

Maybe with pigs.

I know he will claim that Alabanza do this for him,

You've been keeping up. :-) We all know the true answer though.

but as it is his company they are effectly running, would he not be checking that they are doing the job properly?

Well, any honest, legit, respectable and non fraudulent service would. Well, truehosting's out then!

By the looks of his postings, he does not.

Well, that means you have something called "logic", I'm afraid that sort of thing, is contradictive to Davey's entire existence!

As anyone taken a poll to guess the guy's age.

We know he's 20. He appears to be 12, though.

Based on previous postings (and the suggestion that his dad cashes the cheques), I would estimate 14-15. After all, he has the mental attitude of one.....[/quote]

Don't expect Davey to grasp even the most basic logic. You've just made him "angry" and we all know what happens when Davey gets' angry... Look out, he just might post a response and call you a name!! (liar, fraudster, Annette, Tim, Joey, Paula, a Muppet, A teletubby, or any one of a slew of mindless and immature insults he learned before his first and last day of school, ever (that being year 1!), so be careful, you're dealing with a complete idiot, and we all know how humorous that can be - don't laugh yourself to death! :-)

Well, I'm going to hop into my fraudster-mobile and grab something to eat.

Regards,
Tim Greer

[This message has been edited by Tim Greer (edited 04-10-2000).]

[This message has been edited by Tim Greer (edited 04-10-2000).]

04-10-2000, 11:58 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Davey:
Just so you know, we use their $1500/month servers, top of the range (dual 550 processors, RAID 5, 1gb of SDRAM). They have VERY nice systems :) True, they are not cheap, but when it allows us to provide such good service to our customers it is well worth the investment. Our client base very easily pays for this, so there is little point going lower down in the market (we are not in this market to be penny-pinching!)
[/quote]

Re: Ultra Account.

This is a good point, I'm not saying that they can't honour or don't honour it, but it's just a little hard to workout. If they are only charging $49.95 per month that's a max revenue of $500 per month for 10 sites (which is the max they say they'll host per server for the ultra plan users).

Then you've got credit card fees, admin, maintainance etc.. to deduct.

I know that the cheapest server Alabanza offers (that I know of) is $480 per month.
And that's of low specification.

The specification of the plan states Dual-"500mhz 1GB SDRAM" which would assume the $1500 per month server.

Doesn't added up in my opinion.

BTW, If anyone would like a script to determine the accounts hosted then please contact me, it will work in the context of your username (so you won't need high-level access). Okay perhaps I made it sound to good, I forgot to add you need an account on the server with CGI enabled. The way of doing it is to goto cgi-resources.com and download a file-manager (I'm not sure which one I used as it was months ago, but I'll look it up). Install it and set directory to the root of the machine. You should then be able to see the directory structure, in one directory (varies could be /home/) you see all the client branches, just count these up and it gives you a rough idea. Note this does not affect system security as you can't modify/read/delete files.

[This message has been edited by Admin (edited 04-10-2000).]

Joey the Saint

04-10-2000, 01:48 PM

Admin: I'd love that info. You have my email already.

----

Can I for just one moment tell you all how immensely pleased I am to see Davey on the ropes? Nice work, everyone.

This has truly gone beyond my greatest expectations.

I knew that if I just kept baiting him, he'd go back to demonstrating the "customer service" that I've come to expect from True Hosting.

I also hoped that he'd eventually incriminate himself if I -- and you -- just kept poking the hornet's nest.

Again; whether or not he goes to jail is anyone's guess, but this thread alone, publicized enough, should be enough to run him out of the business.

I would suggest emailing this URL to every news agency and 'zine you know of. Let's REALLY expose him. After all, I think he's shown enough to let people make their own decisions.

Thanks for your patience, and thank you all for your support. Drinks are on me.

Davey; had enough? Gonna get up again? I'm good and rested; I can go several more rounds.

-- Joey the Saint
http://www.periscopeonline.net

inwks

04-10-2000, 01:53 PM

Tim, I haven't just made him angry, I also might cost him a little bit of money..... shame :). If his claims are correct (2000 hosts @ $99 per year - base yate), he's in for a nice VAT bill.......... :)

In regards to the last post regarding determining the number of hosts on your server, I don't know how poeple to it in UNIX (never used it), but if you're using an NT host, let me know and I'll send you the ASP script I use to investigate any NT host I sign up with.

Fizzer

04-10-2000, 03:35 PM

Davey, you've ignored this every time, so I'll ask it again:

On your site at http://www.truehosting.com/information/looking_for_a_host.htm
You say, "True Hosting has a 99.9% uptime guarantee. "

How do you back up that guarantee if, as you say, you give no refunds. What do you do if the uptime drops below that level and one of your clients brings it to your attention?

Joey the Saint

04-10-2000, 03:49 PM

I'll tell you what he does.

NOTHING.

What're you going to do, cancel?

-- J.

Paula V

04-10-2000, 03:51 PM

Fizzy, I will ask the same... Maybe if we all ask he will answer... LMAO
On your site at http://www.truehosting.com/information/looking_for_a_host.htm
You say, "True Hosting has a 99.9% uptime guarantee. "

How do you back up that guarantee if, as you say, you give no refunds. What do you do if the uptime drops below that level and one of
your clients brings it to your attention?

OOps.. My bad.. I mean FIZZER.. not Fizzy.. lolol.. Sorry

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Fizzer

04-10-2000, 06:31 PM

> OOps.. My bad.. I mean FIZZER.. not Fizzy.. lolol.. Sorry

If you can't get that right, then all your other information is a lie! You're just a fraudster like all the rest! ;-)

[This message has been edited by Fizzer (edited 04-10-2000).]

Follower of the Saint

04-10-2000, 07:07 PM

You know, it's funny how when you put "Davey" on the ropes, he suddenly shuts up, maybe we need to keep him on the ropes all the time ;-)

inwks

04-10-2000, 07:09 PM

It's late here in the UK, so he's probably in bed like a good little boy ;)

Or he could actually be doing some work sorting out his customer's sites! SHOCK HORROR!

Follower of the Saint

04-10-2000, 07:17 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by triumph595:
It's late here in the UK, so he's probably in bed like a good little boy ;)

Or he could actually be doing some work sorting out his customer's sites! SHOCK HORROR![/quote]

Yes, but he hasn't posted in almost 30 hrs, hiding, is he?

And I doubt highly that he ever sorts out his customer's sites, sounds too much like real work.

PS, Peter, or Davey, or whatever you choose to call yourself, that was my OPINION, and stating OPINIONS does NOT count as libel, so don't even try that route with me.

Annette

04-10-2000, 08:23 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Follower of the Saint:
You know, it's funny how when you put "Davey" on the ropes, he suddenly shuts up, maybe we need to keep him on the ropes all the time ;-)[/quote]

It's a bit of a cyclical thing with him, really, almost a hit and run type of thing: he shows up when he thinks people aren't monitoring a forum (like this one), takes a couple of hits at his biggest detractors, gets run over by a steamroller of corrections and derision and people pointing out the many flaws in his claims, and goes back into hiding for awhile. Think of it like the phases of the moon....

Crazieman

04-10-2000, 08:24 PM

I've been following this ever since Annette and Stephanie were the first ones on technogirl.net

It has grown quite large hehe.

The spewing of idiocy from PFM is just amazing beyond comprehension.

Personally, I'd love to send him off to some psych to study his obsession with sticking his own ass in jail.

Tim Greer

04-10-2000, 10:58 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Admin:

Re: Ultra Account.

This is a good point, I'm not saying that they can't honour or don't honour it, but it's just a little hard to workout. If they are only charging $49.95 per month that's a max revenue of $500 per month for 10 sites (which is the max they say they'll host per server for the ultra plan users).

Well, as foolish as I may have been to even look at that as possible, my client didn't give me much time to think about it. I did initially have my suspicions, but I also thought, systems aren't too much now-adays, and @ $500/mo. if the system's paid for, it is possible to make a profit.

The only reason for this, would be if the web sites on that system didn't move a lot of traffic (and most don't move much). That said, assuming the system moves 12 GIGs total a month, he pays very little for that bandwidth (which most web host's have about 40 GIGs to spare - if they are on a decent connection and have little of the line actually used), then he's making $450 or so profit a month (which 2 or 3 months would pay the system off and then $450 a month profit, per system after that.) This was far fetched and possible, even if it's not likely. However, as you said, the other fees, this is not cheap.

I assumed, at worse, it would untrue, and we could cancel and not be charged. I was really wrong. I'm not blaming my client for all of it though, I just would have thought it out for more then 2 minutes and researched it a little. I was actually in a chat session with my client and I told him the URL, by my next post (I was away for about 5 minutes), he had responded saying he just signed us up! (Oye!)

I know that the cheapest server Alabanza offers (that I know of) is $480 per month.
And that's of low specification.

The specification of the plan states Dual-"500mhz 1GB SDRAM" which would assume the $1500 per month server.

Doesn't added up in my opinion.

Right, but he'll just claim they are his "own" servers and he doesn't pay to "rent" them (I.e., the systems are already paid for (allegedly) and he only pays the charges to host them and nothing more). Even so, I'm willing to bet that Alabanza will charge roughly the same amount, just to collocate your "own" server there anyway - so the value of that hypothetical argument is out the window!

Moreover, if you did have a Dual-CPU system with so much power, and a GIG of RAM, then they'll charge more (i.e., because you can move a lot more bandwidth much faster, due to so much RAM and not as much disk access time delaying the movement of bandwidth) - not to mention, allotting enough bandwidth to handle this whole "unlimited" issue.

(I know no web host will give "unlimited - because they can't", but most just mean they won't charge you extra if you move a lot - even if they bog down. -- But he DID actually bill people for even one GIG of extra bandwidth (or was it a bill for a total of one GIG?) Either way, he doesn't even live up to that... Was he _that_ low on extra bandwidth? Again, fraudulent claims!)

BTW, If anyone would like a script to determine the accounts hosted then please contact me, it will work in the context of your username (so you won't need high-level access). Okay perhaps I made it sound to good, I forgot to add you need an account on the server with CGI enabled. The way of doing it is to goto cgi-resources.com and download a file-manager (I'm not sure which one I used as it was months ago, but I'll look it up). Install it and set directory to the root of the machine. You should then be able to see the directory structure, in one directory (varies could be /home/) you see all the client branches, just count these up and it gives you a rough idea. Note this does not affect system security as you can't modify/read/delete files. [/quote]

Well, if you have telnet access - which truehosting did offer (they're not secure at all, by the way), then you should be able to use some commands in telnet to view the home or user directory or directories in question. However, if they have the permissions of that directory set at, say 711, then your user doesn't have permission to view that directory listing and you can't see who else is in it.

There are other ways, but most CGI programs run as the global user "nobody" (I believe truehosting does, from what I recall), and that user doesn't' have permission to view the directory listings either, unfortunately. That's not much of a security measure, but it's 0.0000001% better then nothing in that aspect.

I'm not sure running a CGI script will help, if that's the case. Anyone on truehosting care to tell me if they change down to the parent (user) directory, and if they can get a listing? If not, that won't work - but there are "other ways" of viewing them.

I just don't have an account on them (lucky me!) to be able to do anything - and at the time I did, I didn't care to bother (by the time I found out I couldn't just cancel, I didn't want to log into their system, because he seemed to likely be the type of person to accuse my of trying to (or successfully) compromising the server - and I didn't want to deal with him threatening that too).

If anyone wants to try that, and they can't find such a script at the URL mentioned above, then let me know and I'll be glad to write one - it'd take all of 2 minutes to do, just so we can know - but does anyone here even have an account on them still? I mean,. who'd want to, or would?

PS: To those wondering why Davey slipped away, who knows? But, count on it, he'll be back. If not, fine, but I'm betting he will be. He's not one to feel shame or embarrassment - his arrogance will not allow him to see his faults.

PSS: Something interesting, while everyone knows that he copied the server specifications directly from Alabanza, it (for some reason) never occurred to me, to show, yet again, his lies about not only his services, but the fact that he owns them! -- It's one way or the other!

A: He says he OWNED the servers at Colossus.

B: He somehow moved those servers from Colossus in NV, to MD in a matter of minutes.

C: Everyone had to back up their files and their files were all gone when he finally moved How did all the files on those servers suddenly vanish?

D: While people were told to back up their files, they were given an IP (because the DNS wasn't valid for the new server move yet) for the Alabanza systems to upload their files to, while the other servers he owned, were still at the Colossus location, as people could still access their site's there at those IP's! Somehow, he not only moved the serves so quickly, he not only lost all the data in the move, but he magically doubled his servers for those few days! He had the same server's at Colossus, while they were at Alabanza? Wow, now I'm finally impressed with his abilities!

E: (My point), he says he owned the systems then, and simply moved them (no matter how impossible in that amount of time, and to be in two places at once!), but he copies Alabanza's system Specs! Well, wait! How likely is it, that his system's he's owned that were at Colossus, just happen to have the EXACT same system specifications as Alabanza's? I mean, the same Fujitsu Hot-swappable drives, the wattage of the power supply, etc.

So, either he'll have to admit to falsely claiming what his system specifications are, or that he's using Alabanza's - and they aren't the same systems he's claimed to have moved somehow, magically, and that he doesn't own them, they are rented from Alabanza as the dedicated server option. That further means, that he'd have to pay himself, to run such a feature as the Ultra Plan. Don't ask me why he doesn't just drop that so-called hosting plan, it's not possible for him and you will not be put on that sort of system - I sure wasn't!

Need I mention more, TH/Davey? Like I said, you shouldn't even be here, making a fool of yourself and making this so easy to prove against you! (Of course, I'm

reg

04-10-2000, 10:58 PM

Tim Greer

04-11-2000, 12:32 AM

Oh, and since he claims those are his "own servers", why do all the domains he makes up to fill in the free IP's he has, all have the default "This site is not yet up" message that are on all Alabanza site's and reseller's sites?

Further, why does he not have his own DNS on his "own servers"? If he has so many, one should be used for DNS, but I suppose that's not any evidence alone. Nothing wrong with it, it's just odd.

Finally, why, when stepping through the IP number blocks, does "208.56.49.2" point to a reseller of Alabanza by a company with the name of of "ONESTOPWEB.COM" whom is a reseller on Alabanza, yet in the same IP block, (truehosting's IP's) appear with all of his made up "clients"? I.e., "208.56.49.50" (just picked at random) will point to a made up truehosting client?

Now, it's rather "odd", that when purchasing a plan to collocate your "own servers", that you'd have the IP address block, only partly owned by you. Usually they are sold in 255 blocks, wherein, for each actual collocated server, it will go from .1 to .255, so why does this one on .2 point to an entirely different web hosting company, yet appear to be on the same SYSTEM!?

Okay, it is possible that either truehosting or the other hosting company bought a package that only had 8, 16, 32, 64, or 128 IP's, but I'll have to check into that.

Let's see, the .4 IP shows even a different reseller, on the same system - or so it appears. Well, .17 is a person on truehosting. let's look further... Well, what do you know, .99 is pointing to yet another reseller on Alabanza that's not truehosting!

So, chosing IP's at random provides immediate evidence, that truehosting has an IP block of no more then 72 IP's. That in itself doesn't mean much, but the fact that he has some more partial IP blocks in the 208.56.4* and 208.56.5* range, means that it's too broken up to be his own block, and that he's not on his "own servers". In short, they must be assigned by Alabanza, which means that he does not own the servers, and he's not even on a dedicated servers (he's on the SAME sytem (or systems) as other resellers of Alabanza.

Well, I can only see a lot of pages he claims to host, but all of their NIC records (or 99% of them) don't even point to truehosting's DNS servers and are hosted elsewhere, or still have the old DNS information, wherein they're still not on the new servers. very few actually appear to be clients. I'm going to have to post more later.

Regards,
Tim Greer

[This message has been edited by Tim Greer (edited 04-11-2000).]

Joey the Saint

04-11-2000, 01:12 AM

As for your convertible Fraudster, Tim, with a nod to The King:

I figger Davey's color is yellah.

Uh-huh uh-huh, thank you very muh-uh-ch.

:P

Off to the All-Star Blues Jam in Pioneer Square. Think I'll call a couple of Elvis numbers in Davey's honor. Definitely gonna do "Hound Dog. . .."

Pax,

-- J.

GregBahns

04-11-2000, 06:11 AM

It appears that Peter has been thoroughly embarrassed here already, and has already run for the hills, but I just wanted to throw my two cents in...

Someone posted here that "every host makes mistakes". It should be clear to everyone who reads this thread that this discussion about TH is not about "mistakes". It is about Peter/TH flat-out lying and stealing money from people.

If you're reading this and you think TH just "made mistakes" and a few customers are "mad" at him, you are totally mistaken. TH ex-customers are dedicated to seeing his business shut down because he STOLE MONEY FROM THEM (or at least attempted to).

Also, for anyone who is not sure who TH is: he is Peter Francis-Macrae. That is a fact. There is no Davey Jarvis, no Nick Wood, no nobody but PFM.

Greg Bahns
ex-True Hosting customer

Digit

04-11-2000, 01:06 PM

Just a quick post with an interesting link:
(may wrap) http://www.domainwatch.com/nph-trace.cgi?host=www.TRUEHOSTING.COM

Well, Davey. You were saying something about not being a reseller?

Private Joker

04-11-2000, 02:59 PM

jake

04-11-2000, 08:21 PM

Tim- When I fell into TH's trap a couple months ago, I got an IP in the range of 208.56.124.xx - must be another range of IPs he "owns". During the time that I was monitoring the server, it had errors and refused connections or timed out several times a day (I have the logs). I don't know much, but know it couldn't be the DNS problem he claimed since the monitor was tracking the IP address directly.

Paula V

04-11-2000, 11:07 PM

:rolleyes:
Ya know... I am kind of bummed now.. He still hasn't been back to respond to our ever growing questions? NOW what will people think? After all isn't that why he came here to post in the first place?
Oh well...

Paula V

04-12-2000, 12:10 AM

Another good point ... We are not just upset at the "Mistakes" as said above.....

For example: When I canceled with Ibill, and I got the email saying "I would NOT be billed again"..I though it was OVER... It wasn't.. True hosting sent me a email asking me for my credit card number so that they could charge me for the month of Aug...

They also claimed my credit card people would OK it not matter what because I signed up. After I canceled with Ibill, I informed True Hosting that any other charges on my card were unaithorised. Which is credit card fraud.

True Hosting sent me a email saying I ok'ed it to begin with, so they will do as they want. THAT is why my credit card company called Ibill, and that is why they had me cut my old card up and issue me a new one.

It is not a mistake in my opinion. As said above. He has not only billed me from
July 99 - probably now..... But it's not a mistake when you have been warned about it in advance. Before I got my credit card company involved I emailed True Hosting about 5 times telling them Ibill canceled already... Even after my card was canceled they tried to charge it on that card number..

Let alone the fact he threatened to "Report this to my credit report"... And to sue me, etc.... This is no mistake, it is a way to get money by bullying... He figures (which almost worked) if he can get someone unwilling to fight, and disbute the charges, and just send the money then he has won. But until I got on the net and searched for all the True hosting sites I have found, and people I talked too, I was ready then to send the money. Ibill informed me in no way should I do it. Even if threatened just ignore it. Which after talking to my husband, and everyone on the net about this "company" I chose it was best to just sit it out, and wait and see what Ibill did about this. When Ibill dropped them, I knew then I made the right choice....

PS....
There is NOTHING on my credit report about True Hosting, there is no "case" filed against me in the UK, or the US, and to my knowledge none of his "Threats" have not been carried out...

[This message has been edited by Paula V (edited 04-11-2000).]

John

04-12-2000, 12:18 AM

When you colo, you don't always get the entire Class C. For instance the colo provider I use, provides the ip's as needed.

Also for an interesting piece of info, the server running the order processing script. Has a hostname of db3.yourwebhost.com, which is owned by Hosting Ventures in Balitmore, MD.

Follower of the Saint

04-12-2000, 12:22 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Paula V:
:rolleyes:
Ya know... I am kind of bummed now.. He still hasn't been back to respond to our ever growing questions? NOW what will people think? After all isn't that why he came here to post in the first place?
Oh well... [/quote]

What do you expect from that cowardly little rat? Excuse me, weasel. Well, here's a voting topic, which is more proper of a title for Peter, oh, sorry, "Davey" *yeah, we REALLY believe that!* :rolleyes:, weaselboy, or Ratboy, or RatfinkBoy, for that matter?

TOS--alabanza??

04-12-2000, 01:52 AM

I REPEAT!! Please all you people complaining about TrueHost--COMPLAIN to ALABANZA!!!!
if he makes his monthly payments...it will slide by I am sure!! You dont "resell" for alabanza--you lease 400-1500monthly dedicated servers! if you lease the server and wish to have resellers, so be it!!! When you become a client of alabanza you have to agree to TOS---Davey?! this means "terms of service" you people keep harping at him, but I wish you would put your efforts towards alabanza?
One co has already put him off?? Ibill has cancelled his acct.?? PLEASE DEMAND and do it over snf over if need be---GET AHOLD OF ALABANZA!!!!---HIS PROVIDER!!! Im sorry this guy is really ruining alabanza reputation CLEARLY!!

Tim Greer

04-12-2000, 06:00 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by TOS--alabanza??:
I REPEAT!! Please all you people complaining about TrueHost--COMPLAIN to ALABANZA!!!!
if he makes his monthly payments...it will slide by I am sure!! You dont "resell" for alabanza--you lease 400-1500monthly dedicated servers! if you lease the server and wish to have resellers, so be it!!! When you become a client of alabanza you have to agree to TOS---Davey?! this means "terms of service" you people keep harping at him, but I wish you would put your efforts towards alabanza?
One co has already put him off?? Ibill has cancelled his acct.?? PLEASE DEMAND and do it over snf over if need be---GET AHOLD OF ALABANZA!!!!---HIS PROVIDER!!! Im sorry this guy is really ruining alabanza reputation CLEARLY!![/quote]

On the contrary, we aren't unreasonable people and we're not blaming any other entity, but him and his company. We don't blame his former, nor is current provider. Further, no one ever claimed that all web hosts are like truehosting and truehosting certainly does not give any other web hosts a bad name - he is his own bad name and reputation.

I'm on a very good web host right now. These people are very reasonable and _very_ honest. If there's a problem, they admit it and they'll fix it. If they don't know how (no one knows everything), then if you do know, they'll listen... of course, they'll look into it first I'm sure. Now, _that_ is service.

Truehosting doesn't make Alabanza look bad. Further, the problem is that they were kicked off of Colossus for their crimes, but it's been difficult to get in contact with some of the new people he's ripped of while on Alabanza's service. Alabanza can not legally, or ethically have a justified reason to do anything about truehosting, for what they did while on another web host.

This is why for a while, when this comes up (just telling Alabanza), I say that there needs to be a court order - an injunction that clearly states that he may not run his "services". Then, if he moves elsewhere after being kicked off Alabanza (believe me, he will - there's been more people finding out about us and they've been submitting new information he's done whilst on Alabanza's services) ... and when he moves to another provider, we only need to FAX the legal papers and they cut him off in an instant - rather than taking months to provide enough NEW evidence to show the new provider that he's actually committed enough crimes whilst on THEIR services.

The best part, is that the legal system will immediately know he's comitting a crime, just by him trying to put his site back up on another service - no more trying to contact the proper people and going through so much time and trouble, to get it taken care of again.

Without good, solid evidence Alabanza will just get annoyed and ignore us - and then miss the more important and relevant evidence that WILL happen - by then, they'll probably start to believe him and that we're all some insane people just trying to ruin his business - because we're all so envious of him and don't actually have a valid reason.

I'm not saying people shouldn't complain to them, but I sure can't until he does something while he's on _them_. I actually hope he email bombs me again, through Alabanza's servers. That would do it. :-) Up for it Davey? I can take it! People (recent victims) are submitting information and it's going to matter -- just give it a little time. It's best to hit hard and fast, Davey is too arrogant to see it coming. :-)

Regards,
Tim Greer

[This message has been edited by Tim Greer (edited 04-12-2000).]

fthosting

04-12-2000, 06:51 AM

He's Flooded my account twice in the last month and ive kept a copy of every email hes sent in my email box. One flood i got 56 and the second 37 just to say *you know how much you owe and how to pay, Unlucky Loser*.

------------------
Signing off for now Eddie

Fizzer

04-12-2000, 07:12 PM

The link to the page with the guarantee appears to be gone!!!!!!!!

As of 4:15PM PDT, April 12, you can actually still go directly to http://www.truehosting.com/information/looking_for_a_host.htm
but I can't seem to find the link to it on his main page anymore!!!

So maybe that's why Davey hasn't been around lately, he's busy trying to sweep the dirt under the carpet.

What's the matter Davey? The light of truth blinding you? You can't hide from it forever!

Fizzer

04-12-2000, 07:20 PM

More weasel behavior:

On his order page http://truehosting.com/order/
he has this:
"All accounts are setup in 15 minutes or less - guaranteed!"

But on his TOS page http://truehosting.com/support/aup.htm
he says this:
"Account setup times are estimated and not guaranteed."

So which is it Davey? Is the set up time guaranteed or not? You can't say it is right up front, and then bury a "no it's not" in the fine print. You are walking the fine line of false advertising. One or the other of those nptices has to change. And I'm sure that most judges who looked at it would rule in favor of the one that's prominently displayed right above the sign up form.

Fizzer

04-12-2000, 07:28 PM

I'm not a lawyer and don't really know what's required in situations like this, but here's something that he's done in the past (and most likely will continue to do in the future).

His TOS page at http://truehosting.com/support/aup.htm
says:
"True Hosting reserves the right to add, delete, or modify any provision of this Policy at any time without notice. True Hosting reserves the right to change fees, surcharges, or institute new fees at any time without prior notice."

There are several documented cases where True Hosting has tried to hold people to changes in the TOS (even if the main pages still have different info).

Now, like I said, I don't really know what's required by law, but here's what credit card companies do. When my card issuer makes changes to their policies, I get a notice in the mail detailing all the changes being made. I then also have the option of accepting or rejecting the new policies within a certain time period. If I want to reject the new policy, I cancel my account, and I'm not held to the new policy, and I am not penalized with extra fees or anything like that. If I accept, then I keep my account.

Now whether or not its a legal requirement to give your customers the choice to stay or not when the TOS changes, it's certainly a good, honest business practice to do so. And you will never see the words "good" and "honest" applies to True Hosting.

Paula V

04-12-2000, 10:57 PM

Interesting.... A person on Annettes board posted this... Hmmmmmm.. This is just recent too??? Odd? I thought it was all because of the old servers??? Davey??? Are you lying again???? Shame on you..
http://www.webhosters.com/content/cus_comments/index.html?option=Display+Reviews&comment_id=498&company_id=1337

SarasotaWeb

04-13-2000, 01:45 AM

This is the LONGEST fourm ever I seen around. Can't wait to see Davey's butt will be busted and see how hard he will cry when he get the free ride to his new home to Jail!

Tim Greer

04-13-2000, 05:41 AM

More fun stuff...

At the direction of the following URL: http://www.lessgovernment.com/html/avoid_true_hosting_at_all_cost.htm

I had a rather enjoyable read, but experienced an eerie deja-vu! I'm starting to think TH is some terrible experiment by a shoddy 3rd world government that tried their best at an artificial-intelligence type robot to clean the toilets of government offices and bus stations - until it was a complete disaster because this model rejected the intelligence computations and took on the personality of some venereal bacteria it picked up on it's "job" -- so they auctioned the thing off for a nickel to whoever would buy it -- The PFM9000 venereal droid (Not a very popular model).

How else would it explain these mindless and ridiculous, contradictive and pathetic, STD ridden responses? That's simply not human!

Okay, the fun stuff...

PFM/TH/Davey/whatever still claims that Networksolutions/Internic hasn't "fixed" his domain record information, which accounts for it having the bogus or missing information. Well, you'd have to PURPOSELY put in that FAKE information in the first place for it to be there -- having nothing to do with the fact that you're not able to change it - which you CAN do!

That's not the case though, and how come ALL of the domains are like this. How did they ALL get so messed up? Why is it he is able to change the information when he wants to, to say what he wants it to, yet he claims Internic still needs to fix it? Fix what? They've made no error, you put that information in!

He says PFM still owns the domain, but they control it?

#1: They must not have much control, if they can't seem to change their NIC information after a year has passed!

#2: Someone named "Bradley Goodman" bought TH, months ago! (Gee, whatever happened to THAT character anyway? How many of your dolls are named? How many people are you going to make up, and use your dolls names? I'm just trying to estimate how many more aliases YOU will come up with, Davey!) Since Mr. Goodman supposedly bought TH (under the name of "Vector Enterprise" or whatever) months and months ago.

How does this account for PFM (Whom they claim sold it a long time ago and has nothing to do with it) HOW does this account for PFM still owning it, after both claims? Also, funny how "Mr. Goodman" was asking everyone to email him if they had a real problem, how TH never did anything, just as Davey is.
Funny how he said the same things and typed the same way, the same mannerisms, uses his favorite words "fraud" and the made up "fraudster", as well as "we wont LET you
do business with us", "liar", "I know you are, but what am I? Oh, right, I am but I will just say YOU are - that will prove my claims!" and the famed "unlucky". See the bottom of this post for more on that, Peter.

#3: Why could they successfully update their DNS server information, when they moved to Alabanza, but not the other information?

#4: Oh, wait, let's see... here's why -- SCAM, CON, FRAUD, MORON! All of us that have been following this for very many months, know that it used to have OTHER bogus information, now it simply was updated to say "N/A". Well, not only would they purposely have to do that, but that's not exactly a "fix"! They were not only able to update this information, as they claim they haven't been able to, but they just took out ANY information at all!

Okay, more fun stuff...

He says on this board, that he owns his servers, we've already covered that, but...

At the URL of: http://www.lessgovernment.com/html/avoid_true_hosting_at_all_cost5.htm

He claims he 'rents' them. That's no typo!

In reply to:

"You are either reselling or have a dedicated machine at Alabanza (probably a dedicated machine, since you are notorious for server outages). Your claims otherwise do nothing but make you look incredibly childish."

He (TH/PFM) responds saying:

"No, we rent machines with Alabanza. We have NEVER had any server outages"

He said he "rented" them, so he can try (as usual) and blame someone else for his systems' being down or anything else that proves him, his stories or so-called services to be flawed or wrong - it's never his fault. In the act of trying to make excuses, he once again proves he's a liar.

Of course, later in the exchanges, he says:

"We have purchased our own servers which we use at their location. We do not want to use an English NOC."

There's too many inconsistencies in his responses to count, many obvious one's. I'm just covering the one's that go against what he said here. I did have to laugh at him, as usual, when he responded to the person posing the questions, saying that that person was a liar. The person said, "Our email exchanges are posted at this URL address", which they are, which is where I was reading these exchanges from, obviously. TH's response was "Liar!" ... Huh!??? He's so eager to spew off his childish and mindless ranting and name calling, he doesn't ever stop to even think if it makes sense! Then again, almost all of his exchanges with everyone show that to be a fact.

Funny, everything's made up on all the domains, but every time a new domain/person emails him and posts on their web site, they're posting how he told them it's all Annette. Then, when they post the info and someone bring's it up, THAT person is now Annette too! He claims it's all made up, but everytime someone emails him about any of it,
he tells them the exact same things himself, that he acusses everyone of making up! That's a little pointless, don't you think?

Well, enough of that, I just honestly don't see where he gets the time.

Why do you bother Peter? I mean, what is the point to using different names? I'm not going to explain proof, but they are the same person, everyone knows it! This sort of thing, is probably why everyone kicked your ass when you used to go outside -- which accounts for you hiding in your mother's house for the last few years, and convincing yourself that you're something you're not! Okay, and I'm being completely serious here. I'm going to ask you this once... I make good money (I'm hoping my true alias Annette will pay my taxes still! :-) and I can, at any time, take a flight to the UK for a couple of weeks.

I can just refuse any contract work for those couple of weeks. Maybe go and see England, Scotland, Whales, etc. So, I'm going to ask you, if I decide to take a trip (I'll post the events, etc. from a laptop, upload digital pictures, etc. as I go along) will you be willing to meet me? Failing that, would you have a problem with me coming by your house, to.. have a talk? I'm being serious. All this Internet ******** aside, just you and me, and whoever happens to be at your house. Sounds okay? I won't be armed. You can even have a "Bobbie" there with you. I just want to... talk. If you can tell me now, here on this board that it's okay, or email me and tell me, or call me (or I will call you), and somehow confirm it, I'll book a flight.

However, if you choose to change your mind, I will still show up and I will still be waiting to have a talk with you. I figure, what's the worst that can happen to me if I do decide to beat you near death? I mean, a little jail time and a free flight back to the states. I'm serious here, I want to talk with you. Don't be afraid. Come on, you act brave in here and say how no one can touch you, let me give it a shot, okay? (I'm fairly positive that I can do more than just "touch you") I mean, it's not like I can't just show up there one day at your doorstep anyway.. wouldn't you rather know I'm heading your way? You make the decision, and you decide how much this is worth to you.

I figure, no matter what, it'll save me a lot of hassle, money and time taking care of this problem in any other way. I have nothing to lose. Mind you, I'm making no threats or promises, I'm not foolish enough to do that,

reg

04-13-2000, 05:41 AM

Annette

04-13-2000, 07:23 AM

I (or rather Nerdwoman) just thought of something! She hasn't been following this forum much at all, and certainly not since we got back from vacation, so I was telling her about Tim's (great!) message and how "Davey" disappeared again a few days after we returned and I started posting to this forum again. She says, maybe *I* am weaselboy! Since that's the claim he makes, and since he keeps crawling back into his hole every time I show up, doesn't that just make sense?? LOL

John

04-13-2000, 11:56 AM

It would be very obvious if you were weasel-boy. As weasel-boy is a poor actor.

Alex

04-13-2000, 01:50 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Annette:
Darn. And here I was getting used to the idea that I was everyone else....or that everyone else was me...or something.
[/quote]

I am interminably disturbed that a human being (assuming Peter Francis-Macrae is of this world) could possibly be so incredibly dull-witted and impossible to reason with. This ongoing conspiracy theory he has invented. . . good lord. It's ludicrous. Totally freakin' ludicrous. May True Hosting burn in hell, or some facsimile thereof. Even a good bonfire would do at this point.
-A.M.
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lessgovernment.com

Annette

04-13-2000, 06:42 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Alex:
I am interminably disturbed that a human being (assuming Peter Francis-Macrae is of this world) could possibly be so incredibly dull-witted and impossible to reason with. This ongoing conspiracy theory he has invented. . . good lord. It's ludicrous. Totally freakin' ludicrous. May True Hosting burn in hell, or some facsimile thereof. Even a good bonfire would do at this point.
-A.M.
-
lessgovernment.com[/quote]

I read your latest updates, and nearly hurt myself laughing. I see now that weaselboy says I am under investigation in the US, the UK, and "other" countries. Wow. I created a world-wide event just by complaining about weaselboy's pathetic little dump of a service. How powerful does that make me, do you suppose?

Fizzer

04-13-2000, 07:17 PM

Oh where, oh where has my Davey boy gone?
Oh where, oh where could he be?
With his excuses so lame,
and his fraud exposed,
oh where, oh where could he be?

John

04-13-2000, 07:34 PM

Stupid little weasle-boy,
With a brain as small as a fly.
How could you try to pull of a scam,
if we all know that you lie?

Weasle-boy I must say,
I can not wait,
until the day,
the judge declares,
take him away!

:)If anyone wants to add this to there website of stuff about weasle-boy you can post it.

Alex

04-13-2000, 11:43 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Annette:
I read your latest updates, and nearly hurt myself laughing. I see now that weaselboy says I am under investigation in the US, the UK, and "other" countries. Wow. I created a world-wide event just by complaining about weaselboy's pathetic little dump of a service. How powerful does that make me, do you suppose?
[/quote]

Well, my attempts to get him to explain how you could #1) forge so many IP addresses and #2) emulate so many diffent personalities were met with either "You are a liar" or "She is indeed a fraudster". So, presuming he's forced himself to start believing everything he's saying, he'll hopefully soon realize the feat he alleges you have accomplished is god-like. Or at the very least, an incredibly far-reaching conspiracy that surpasses the complexity of even Roswell. Unfortunately, I don't think our friend Peter is all that important in the grand scheme of things. Poor guy. Must be a tragedy to be such a dolt. Unlucky!
-A.M.
-
lessgovernment.com

Annette

04-14-2000, 12:56 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by John:
It would be very obvious if you were weasel-boy. As weasel-boy is a poor actor.[/quote]

Darn. And here I was getting used to the idea that I was everyone else....or that everyone else was me...or something.

Private Joker

04-14-2000, 02:14 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Fizzer:
Oh where, oh where has my Davey boy gone?
Oh where, oh where could he be?
With his excuses so lame,
and his fraud exposed,
oh where, oh where could he be?[/quote]

That's the funniest thing I've read all week! Beautiful. :)

guest

04-15-2000, 06:46 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by cyberscripts:
*laughs*

This is the funniest thread I have ever read....

This group of 5-10 ex-clients contacting the FTC trying to demolish a company that has over 1,000 clients. You really think they are going to be taken out of business? The FTC would not do that because those 1,000 clients would loose more than the 5-10 ex-clients lost. If anything, the FTC would fine TrueHosting a large sum and move on.

[/quote]

It doesn't matter if it were 1 person or 1000 people that he scammed. Davey is a criminal and should be punished for his crimes. It is as simple as that.

fthosting

04-16-2000, 03:25 PM

Have Truehosting.com actually been pulled now ? there site is the only site that i know of on the alabanza network that is down. This was brought to my attention by my friend who is still with them for some funny reason.

jojo

04-17-2000, 11:28 AM

Well, all of yesterday (4/16) the site was down. But now it is back up. Shucks!
I was hoping that 'they' would be put out of business.
I guess 'they' are still around..

Oh well.

Follower of the Saint

04-17-2000, 11:39 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by jojo:
Well, all of yesterday (4/16) the site was down. But now it is back up. Shucks!
I was hoping that 'they' would be put out of business.
I guess 'they' are still around..

Oh well. [/quote]

Yes, but if their site was down, that could mean their customers sites were down, which could lead to more complaints, and more people getting a taste of their customer service, let us pray.

Let the games begin.

Mick

04-18-2000, 09:52 AM

Can I play?

I think I'm the only person to successfully (somewhat) cancel TH in less than a day.

I sent TH an email that I wanted to cancel because of rude service and server outages, received a message that I had to call them in the UK(I actually got a response within an hour, first time ever!). Okay, I called and got someone on the first ring (at 8 am ET) and told him I wanted to cancel. He asked for some fictional number that they supposedly sent me (not in any of the e-mails I ever received from them). I said I had no such 'subscription number', and he said I cannot cancel without it. I said thanks, then sent a message to iBill. A little while later I received the standard cancel notice from iBill. Then I called my credit card company and requested that they send me a new card and new acct number and kill the current one to prevent any charges from TH. I received a new card two days later. I started at about 6am and by 5pm, I was done with them. Since I had registered with them using a Netzero e-mail address, that was no big deal to just ditch that account and open a new one with a different e-mail.
I never heard anything from them ever again. Pretty cool.

All of this took place back in August of 1999, and that was before I even heard of Technogirl or periscopeonline.com or lessgovernment.com. I thought I was the only one.

Mick www.dickiethon.com (http://www.dickiethon.com)

Paula V

04-18-2000, 02:45 PM

What you did Mick was exactly what I did.. It took me 6 months though.. lolol.. I started mine in July 99.... It was FINALLY over in Jan, and now he claims I am Annette, and Annette is me... or something like that...

He know's who I am, obviously. He has all my info.. etc.. Oh well.. such is life.. I am glad you got yours done... I too thought I was alone in all this... I hadn't heard of any one of the pages until the little jerk sent me a snail mail saying he was going to sue me if I didn't pay.. (Yes for the 6 months he was still trying to charge me)... Then I got online and did a search on True Hosting.. I found this page and started posting here.. Shortly after that I got emails from people telling me about there problems.. Eventually I met Annette and she posted my email exchanges....

Oh well.. Life's a beach eh? hehe

Greytree

04-19-2000, 09:24 AM

Yikes!

Yup, I somehow or another managed to slog through the 6 pages of stuff.... My god.

All I can say is that this fool -- Dave, Pete, Jimmy-jo, Bubba-Bo-Bob, or whatever his name is -- is giving people like me (small-scale resellers) a bad name.

When I stumbled upon this entire topic, I went to truehosting.com to check it out -- just to give a fair shake to both sides of the issue. Right now, "Due to enormous demand, we are not currently accepting new clients. We are limiting the number of new clients we accept each month in order to keep the level of service customers are used to.".

Hmmmm.....

It also makes me suspicious that they claim to be a registrar of domains, and completely diss InterNIC/Network Solutions...yet "truehosting.com" is registered through NSI. If they were a bona fide registrar (like Register.com), why didn't they make their own domain the first name to be registered themselves?

Ah, what am I complaining about? I'm never going to be their customer anyway!

I hope this all works out in the end. I'd like to see this fool shut down just to prevent him from staining the reputation of resellers in general. I personally believe in business ethics and etiquette, and the last thing I need is for a potential client to say "Oh....you're one of those ... resellers ... aren't you...?"

fthosting

04-19-2000, 09:53 AM

Well i met my solictor this morning lawyers to the Americains around here :). Seeing his order page down and that they arent taking any new customers on makes me happy. This should be good news for you guys. I personally can't take the fool to court :( unless he continues to harrass me. But nor can he take you into court. I also tok the liberty to ask if annette is wanted for anything. He disappeared out of the room for a bit and came back and send *No*. But truehosting are being tracked by trading standards and the VAT MAN. sorry if this dont make much sense but ive kinda had one too many classes of Wine *burp* i think ill explain it correctly when im sober :P.

Paula V

04-19-2000, 02:17 PM

I can't even get to the site? (www.truehosting.com)..

fthosting? You said you were going to send that paper to me eh? Well if you have not sent it can you hold off.. I just got my new addy for Texas.. Let me know in Email ok?? Thank you!!!! Just to pre-warn you all so Davey can't claim other wise.. I will be off line the last week of April - begining of May... I should be online the 6th, but it could be later... :o).. Sorry Davey, you can't make a story on this one... lolol...

Thanks..

Annette

04-19-2000, 06:04 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by fthosting:
Well i met my solictor this morning lawyers to the Americains around here :). Seeing his order page down and that they arent taking any new customers on makes me happy. This should be good news for you guys. I personally can't take the fool to court :( unless he continues to harrass me. But nor can he take you into court. I also tok the liberty to ask if annette is wanted for anything. He disappeared out of the room for a bit and came back and send *No*. But truehosting are being tracked by trading standards and the VAT MAN. sorry if this dont make much sense but ive kinda had one too many classes of Wine *burp* i think ill explain it correctly when im sober :P.[/quote]

Actually, he's pulled this little stunt (high demand) before as well. Want to see it? Go here: http://www.technogirl.net/99tales/th_order_demand_012300.jpg

I don't buy it for a second, and I doubt anyone else does either.

And of course I'm not under investigation for anything - that's been known for ages. Also known is that *no one* is under investigation for anything involving weaselboy except weaselboy himself - much to my dismay, since I had hoped that any one of the dozens of people he's threatened with a lawsuit would actually have received one. That would have been fun.

Paula V

04-19-2000, 06:51 PM

DAVEY!!! What's wrong? You can post http://www.webhostingtalk.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000148.html
on the other link, but you can't reply to people here who have serious concerns about your company???? Interesting...

Annette

04-19-2000, 08:04 PM

Don't know if anyone here has ever hung out in news.admin.net-abuse.usenet or alt.usenet.kooks, but "Davey" reminds me of Ed Wollmann quite a bit. For those who don't know Edmo, he tries to silence everyone who disagrees with him by flooding the abuse departments of their ISPs with email. He also threatens lawsuits (like weaselboy does),is ridiculed because he acts in a ridiculous manner (like weaselboy does), and contradicts himself frequently (like weaselboy does). If you're up for net.kookery, check this out: http://lart.com/ed/

If you want to see a very well reasoned, very well written (poetic, even) response to Edmo, check out this link: http://www.sonic.net/scott/sheesh/ed.txt
and then apply that in your mind to weaselboy. Eerie, isn't it?

Joey the Saint

04-20-2000, 12:53 AM

Joey exits the forum, clicking his heels and whistling, "I Did It My Way. . .."

http://www.periscopeonline.net http://www.screamradio.com

Tim Greer

04-20-2000, 04:20 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Greytree:
Yikes!
When I stumbled upon this entire topic, I went to truehosting.com to check it out -- just to give a fair shake to both sides of the issue. Right now, "Due to enormous demand, we are not currently accepting new clients. We are limiting the number of new clients we accept each month in order to keep the level of service customers are used to."[/quote]

Well, he's not giving anyone a bad name, other than himself. There are criminals in every profession, and BSers in every profession, that doesn't make anyone but the criminal or BSer (or both, in truehosting's case) look bad.

As for his ""Due to enormous demand, we are not currently accepting new clients. We are limiting the number of new clients we accept each month in order to keep the level of service customers are used to." crap, that's all it is. He's trying to brag about how many client's they have and about how powerful their services are, etc. but he can't accept any new one's? Even after he's said that they are growing at amazing paces and will continue to. Funny.

Obviously, he's trying to avoid more people threatening legal action, so maybe it's better that he's not accepting anyone new. Maybe he'll finally back out -- but I doubt that! He's pulled this came crap before, for whatever reasons. One can only guess why.

As for him being a registrar, this is FUNNY! He's running a free version of a CGI script written in Perl, that simply checks to see if a domain is available or not. That's all it is, nothing more. Something anyone can get for free. It's listed on cgi-resources.com, as well as at their (the creator) site.

If you look in the HTML source, you'll see the script name of "cdfree.pl", which you can download for free yourself at: http://www.cdomain.com It's called "CdomainFree". Further, if someone doesn't register the product -- even though it's free -- than they can be forced to purchase it for the retail value ($100 USD)

If they don't register the product, than they can have legal action taken against them. Funny, I see no copyright notice on any of the HTML pages (even the source) that shows cdomain.com of the author ( J. Allen) any credit. Finally, I doubt he has it registered, and this is in _no way_ qualified as a "domain registrar" whatsoever. It's nothing even close!

In the original downloadable script, it has, many times in the script, (in the print functions) a comment stating the copyright and author -->



And it prints (or is supposed to!) on each page, the URl, and name of the site and people that created this software. Something to the effect of:


<A HREF="http://www.cdomain.com">CdomainFree v2.7</A> (C) 1998 J. Allen
Hatch

</td></tr>
<TR>
<TD>
<TABLE BORDER=0 CELLPADDING=3 WIDTH=100%>
<TR>
<TD BGCOLOR="#A80000" ALIGN=RIGHT>
Domain Check by CdomainFree
 
</TD>
</TR>
</TABLE>

That's no where to be found in the HTML source or otherwise on the script truehosting is running. Of course, he probably thinks no one would figure it out since he removed that -- and probably hopes people will believe it's a "domain registrar" or some other script that performs an actual function, and is something of their own...

I never looked or bothered to, until just now. it took me all but 1 minute to locate the script, the creator and download it and look at this 1/2-assed code. Domain registrar my ass!

Hmm, let's take a look and see the license agreement for this "domain registrar" software... Oh, here's some interesting quotes for that very license:

"We hereby grant you a nonexclusive license to use the Software free of
charge, for personal or business use, subject to all the provisions in
this Agreement. You must leave all links to www.cdomain.com (http://www.cdomain.com) and
copyright notices intact and visible wherever they appear on
CdomainFree, or the software is not free of charge, as explained below.
If you wish to modify these links and notices, you must purchase a
different Cdomain product, subject to the terms in this Agreement.

2. You may use this Software on or as part of your own web site only if
all copyright notices and links to www.cdomain.com (http://www.cdomain.com) are left intact and
visible wherever they appear in the script itself, the script's output,
and any accompanying HTML pages supplied or used in conjunction with the
CdomainFree Software. "Visible" is defined as: using a font size and
colors that make all links and notices capable of being easily seen and
read with the naked eye by a user on a normal computer monitor.

3. You may modify the output of CdomainFree for aesthetic or decorative
purposes in order to integrate it with the style of your Web Site,
provided such modifications are in accordance with the terms of this
Agreement.

4. You may design your own HTML form to launch CdomainFree, or integrate
a search form into an existing page on your own web site only if you
place a valid HTML link to the Cdomain Web Site at http://www.cdomain.com, in a prominent and visible location directly
above or below the button used to submit the form or directly below an
input field of the form. The above link must be labeled "CdomainFree",
and must not be altered or obscured in any way, and must be plainly
visible in the rendered HTML output.

5. If you modify, remove, or obscure the links to CdomainFree, or brand
it with your own company name, or otherwise hide its identity, you are
liable to Cdomain for the current purchase price of the Cdomain Product
which does not require attribution, and you must register that product
with Cdomain.

8. If you fail to use the Software in accordance with the terms and
conditions of this License Agreement, it constitutes a breach of the
agreement, and your license to use the program is revoked. If Cdomain
becomes aware of any breach of the terms of this Agreement, it may
terminate your license and use of the Software pursuant to the terms set
out in the Paragraph entitled Term and Termination below.

TERM AND TERMINATION

This license agreement takes effect upon your use of the software and
remains effective until terminated. Cdomain retains the right to
terminate your license to use the Software at any time, if in its sole
discretion, you are not abiding by the terms of the Agreement,
including, but not limited to, obscuring or removing any link or
copyright notice as specified in this agreement.

If you continue to use
the Software after Cdomain gives you written notice of termination of
your license, you hereby agree to accept an injunction to enjoin you
from its further use, and to pay all costs, including reasonable
attorneys fees, to enforce Cdomain's revocation of your license, and any
damages suffered by Cdomain because of your misuse of the Software.

3. If you violate the terms of this Agreement, or Cdomain is damaged in
any way by your misuse of the Software in violation of this Agreement,
you agree to pay all legal costs, including reasonable attorneys fees,
to enforce this agreement, and for compensation to Cdomain for such
damages."

Well, so what do you know? Looks like I get to email this site and inform them of Davey/Peter/TH's actions and how they have completely hidden the fact that this company actua

reg

04-20-2000, 04:20 AM

Tim Greer

04-20-2000, 05:31 AM

Here's the email I jut sent to that company:

Subject: Copyright infringement/License agreement breach/Software misuse.

Dear CDomain.com staff,

I'm emailing you, to inform you of an individual that is using your software in a manner that clearly violates the terms outlined in your CEULA/License Agreement. This user not only uses your software with no intention of registering it (that I know of, he doesn't seem to have purchased it -- as how could he, it's a free version!?).

He's using your software "CdomainFree" and has not only removed every instance of the print functions that display your copyright in/on the web page display, but has also removed all instances of this information in the source code and HTML source code. Moreover, the most offensive aspect, is that he's claiming it's his software, gives your company nor the author's any credit and even claims to his potential victims of his web host scam, that it's his own personal "domain registrar" wherein the user's can by-pass Internic and other registrars'.

He's not only in blatant violation of your license agreement terms both knowingly and willingly, but it was his intention, as his past and present character provides evidence for (long story) -- but worse yet, he's using your software as his own personal tool to mislead and fraudulently grab victims off the Web to his so-called services. I ask that you look into the following violation and forgive this email if I'm incorrect (Although the fact that your licensee clearly states that a user _must_ purchase a different license (not a free one like he's currently using) if they wish to, or do remove the copyright and author credit's and links to and about your product and web site).

The offending URL's are below: http://www.truehosting.com/registration/register.htm http://www.truehosting.com/cgi-bin/cdfree.pl

On his main index page, he claims he's a registrar by the use of this very script. Finally, I warn you in advance, that this individual is insidiously juvenile, criminal and fraudulent in many of his acts and has given myself and many other former victims of his service, many, many problems. He proves to be both unreasonable and unconcerned with his acts and the consequences thereof. However, as a programmer myself, whom has faced this very issue wherein client's have altered, removed or replaced information on my own software copyright notices, I can sympathize and relate to this.

My software was considerably more expensive, but the issue remains, and I have, by consulting with many legal entities throughout this situation, and by reviewing every copyright and trademark law known to man, discovered that each violation of copyright infringement can be met with a $2,500 USD fine and up to 5 years in prison, for each violation committed. I.e., each notice he removed, in each HTML page or area of the script. People don't seem to take it seriously, which accounts for this current individual committing that very act with your software. So, in good faith and with positive intentions, and the understanding of this issue, I hope my email alerting you of this offense will be helpful to your company in ending these sort of criminal intentions and actions on the Internet.

Thank you for your time and attention on this matter, I only hope this sort of problem is rare for your company to have dealt with.
--
Regards,
Tim Greer: tech@linkworm.com | LinkWorm Software http://www.linkworm.com
Tel: 530 247-1749. Programming, CGI, Perl, C/C++, ASP, SQL, more. Design
Web Server & Network Administration, Security, Consulting, Installations
Configuration. Unix/Linux/FreeBSD & NT. Apache, IIS, TCP/IP, LAN/WAN/WWW

Petey/Davey/TH, if you're reading this, than you must know how I'm not going to go away. Shut down your service and save yourself money, time and time in prison. Oh, wait. I'll still try my best to see to it you end up in prison. You can't keep the truth hidden, you can't ignore it, and you're not above it. There are consequences, be ready to meet them.

Mind you, this last action of mine, was nothing of a big deal. You either buy the software, or take it down, but know that I'm going to pick every little thing part and use it against you, if I know and can prove you're doing wrong. These actions against you, will show your character and intent throughout the years in a court of law. I'll see you soon. :-)

Regards,
Tim Greer

[This message has been edited by Tim Greer (edited 04-20-2000).]

UNIXIELHOST

04-20-2000, 06:54 PM

Tim,

I doubt he has his domain registar with register.com either. He just register the domain under his contact handle so he can screw customer records maybe? Plus I see TH website always change texts to adviod the trouble. What an lame guy and seems he is the only one who runs TH. Plus I can see your point about cracking cdomain.pl ... What more, when it asks for info and payment, it doesn't go in SSL .. Not too safely to use thier register system! *shrugs* few minutes later, TH server was down .. maybe unplugged? I hope so!

Tim Greer

04-20-2000, 08:03 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by SarasotaWeb:
Tim,

I doubt he has his domain registar with register.com either. He just register the domain under his contact handle so he can screw customer records maybe? Plus I see TH website always change texts to adviod the trouble. What an lame guy and seems he is the only one who runs TH. Plus I can see your point about cracking cdomain.pl ... What more, when it asks for info and payment, it doesn't go in SSL .. Not too safely to use thier register system! *shrugs* few minutes later, TH server was down .. maybe unplugged? I hope so! [/quote]

You've pretty much guessed it all. That's the way he works, scam and than cover his ass. Unfortunately any programs coded in Perl are far too easy to alter, because it requires no actual act of cracking. It's all just text, so people just freely remove what they like, which is the same problem for any interpreted language. For once, I'd be interested to see this guy do something morally correct, just even once!

Regards,
Tim Greer

Annette

04-20-2000, 09:36 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by cyberscripts:
*laughs*

This is the funniest thread I have ever read.... (this is from early April)

(snipped)

Again, I point out that all these unsatisfied customers range back from 1999 before their move to Alabanza (which I assume are the offices TH talks about that are located in the US where the servers they pay for are located at).

(snipped)

[/quote]

Well, I thought I might give you a heads-up: nothing has changed. Want some info on it? How about these emails from Ron and Mathieu, which will also be posted at my site in the next couple of days:

(begin quoted email)
Received: from mail9.bellsouth.net (mail9.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.14])
by mail2.mco.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id VAA15074
for <ahoward@jax.bellsouth.net>; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:33:06 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from spool9.valueweb.net (spool9.valueweb.net [216.219.253.143])
by mail9.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id VAA22861
for <ahoward@bellsouth.net>; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:08:06 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from (host snipped for privacy) (host snipped for privacy)
by spool9.valueweb.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA30510
for <technightmare@technogirl.net>; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:03:37 -0400
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by host snipped for privacy(8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA25337
for <technightmare@technogirl.net>; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:03:32 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <004701bfa8d1$cb239040$0201a8c0@ronmorri>
From: "ron" <email deleted>
To: <technightmare@technogirl.net>
Subject: Thought I would join the club.
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:02:33 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300
X-UIDL: 7313521d6c0ebe2dcd9a59760b448b3e

Signed up for True Hosting. Didn't research with Host Investigator first.
My mistake. After about three weeks of poor services, including a
guaranteed 15 minute account activation (took three days), I had enough and
sent a cancellation notice via email after reading reviews on Host
Investigator. True Hosting's response: "You raccount cannot be cancelled
until you settle payment." (Their misspelled words, not mine)

Discovered your site. Please add me to the fan club. I did a trace route
on True Hosting where I found out that they are on servers owned by
Alabanza.com in Baltimore, Maryland. Tomorrow I plan on sending a complaint
to the Baltimore Better Business Bureau, which Alabanza is a member of,
concerning True Hosting. At this time there are no complaints submitted
against True Hosting with the Better Business Bureau in their national
register. However, there does seem to be a plethora of consensus on the
internet about them and I hope to pass this along for review.
(end quoted email)

Or, how about this one:

(begin quoted email)
Received: from mail5.bellsouth.net (mail5.bellsouth.net [205.152.150.5])
by mail0.mco.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id KAA01934
for <ahoward@jax.bellsouth.net>; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:14:34 -0400 (EDT)
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20 Apr 2000 10:11:56 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:14:07 -0400
From: Mathieu <email snipped>
Subject: Ex-TrueHosting customer
X-Sender: (host snipped for privacy)
To: technightmare@technogirl.net
Message-id: <4.3.1.0.20000420092440.00a74e80@chinstrap.cyberlogic.net>
MIME-version: 1.0
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Hello,

I am also an ex-TrueHosting customer. Here's my story.

I signed up in December 1999. I had my account transferred to a new server
(TrueHosting switched from Colossus to Alabanza). And then on February 24,
my site went offline. I sent three messages to the "Support Team", but I never
received any reply.

A few days later, I used the Cancellation Form to Cancel my account. Of
course, I received a automated message telling me I had to mail or fax in my
cancellation request. Well, I didn't.

Instead I sent a message to IBill (The company that handles TrueHosting's
Credit Card transactions) on February 27 and told IBill that I wanted to
terminate
my account. Fortunately on March 1 2000, IBill responded and ask me for my
transaction information. Of course, I sent them my transaction information.

The following day I received a response from a Shared Global Systems
representative
(There are the ones who own IBill). And she informed me that I will be refunded
for March.

Keep in mind that my account at TrueHosting was unavailable since February 24
and TrueHosting actually charged me for the month of March.

*** End of my Story ***

There Unlimited Banwidth is actually Limited.

It is impossible for TrueHosting to offer Unlimited Banwidth because
Alabanza, where
TrueHosting rents its server, does not offer that much Banwidth. I
contacted an Alabanza
representative and he sent the price list. The servers are very good, but
very expensive.

Thank you for reading.

Mathieu.
(end quoted email)

Some things in life are horribly consistent. Weaselboy and his "service" are included in that category.

[This message has been edited by Annette (edited 04-20-2000).]