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amirraz
04-12-2001, 08:29 PM
I wanna know performance of IDE HDD (72000 rpm) using in webserver. I'm using PIII 866 with 512MB RAM. My site harakahdaily.com handles 300-400 thousands hits per day with the highest hits is 1 M per day. I've 10MB connectivity.Can my server handle that? Currently I hosts my site with vistual hosting.

PS/ sosry about my english.

cperciva
04-12-2001, 08:44 PM
Assuming you're dealing with a standard file size distribution, you'll find the peak requests/second to be about 100 for a modern 7200RPM IDE drive. (vs 150/200/300 for 7200/10K/15K SCSI drives).

I'd say that with a standard temporal traffic distribution (peak hourly traffic about double average hourly traffic) you'll probably be fine; if your traffic is more "bursty" than average you might have trouble.

Personally, I'd go for a two-drive IDE RAID 1 setup; with a good controller (eg, 3ware 6200) you'll see a dramatic performance increase, as well as having the benefit of redundancy.

IPC PRO
04-21-2001, 12:48 AM
You will be able to bump the numbers of up very close to that of the SCSI drive with a good ATA100 Raid controller. Several mainboard manufacturers have them onboard now. The crucial factor is making certain that the drive itself is ATA100, and the drives are on separate ATA100 HDD cables(with separate connections to the controller). Never use one of those setups for RAID 1 that has both drives one cable, it will murder your performance. RAID 1 is an excellent suggestion! Always have a backup plan!
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cperciva
04-21-2001, 12:55 AM
Originally posted by IPC PRO
You will be able to bump the numbers of up very close to that of the SCSI drive with a good ATA100 Raid controller. Several mainboard manufacturers have them onboard now.

NO!!!!!

Please don't mislead people like this, it really isn't funny.

The "ATA100 RAID" solutions you see on motherboards -- with chips supplied by Promise or HPT -- are complete CRAP. They aren't, strictly speaking, hardware RAID solutions at all: All of the RAID work is done in software by their drivers. They give exactly the same performance as the software RAID which comes with windows 2000, linux, or FreeBSD.

If you care about performance and you want an IDE RAID solution, get a 3ware card.

IPC PRO
04-22-2001, 01:45 PM
Well, admittedly, there are some crap mainboard manufacturers aout there that set them up like that. However, I was referring to www.rioworks.com, who manufacturers mainboards for American Megatrends www.ami.com
I did get a little panicky for a second, and went and benchmarked my rioworks-based 1RU (with the SDVIB mainboard), against an identical system with a 3ware controller (Escalade 5000, using the "Twinstore" IDE RAID 1 configuration). They are both peaking out the PCI bus capabilities. Both using IBM 7200rpm, ATA100, 30GB drives.
Is there something I am missing here? Seriously, if there is something wrong with my configurations, I need to know about it, please be more specific. Also, I use Amphinol blue and white braided ATA100 cables, with AMP connectors (w/ gold leads). I find that cables make an enormous difference in performance.

matra
05-06-2001, 11:31 PM
We are considering new providers for dedicated servers and one of the questions that crops up in our mind is IDE or EIDE vs SCSI.

There are some providers who do not seem to offer SCSI as standard. Some offer multiple IDE h/d with RAID
at a similair price to single SCSI. Most of the IDE offered seem to be IBM Deskstars.

Looking at the price differentials, we are thinking of IDE if the performance differential is not significant.

We are hosting around 60 sites with 5 of them using MySQL databases. the traffic is moderate. the best sites
have traffic of 200-300 visitors max / day (non-MySQL).

For this kind of requirement, we feel it is ok to go for servers of lower configuration.

We are thinking of PIII 733-800
with 128-256MB RAM and IDE Disks pref . RAID.

Anyone can give a suggestion/opinion on the configuration ?.

Additionally, what would be the impact of RAM/Processor
on the differential between IDE/SCSI.

Thanks in advance,

Matra


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