I'm moving some of my websites from dialtone to e.freeservers... so far the experience has been quite good. Service is prompt, and they invited me to come visit their data center (I live an hour and 11 minutes away)

If this goes well, I'll colocate with them.

I'm posting this because I cannot understand how they can make money off their current prices, so I'm wondering if any of you could give me a good estimate on how much profit they make off their service plans. ^_^

Umm, I'll also keep you guys up to date on how it goes... What they offer is.. unbelievable.

bye..

hey, keep us updated... So did you visit their data center?

BTW, I could not find this information on their web, do they have any setup fee on the dedicated servers?

cheers,
:beer:

[Edited by dektong on 04-11-2001 at 01:04 AM]

Do you mean by this http://www.e.freeservers.com
This site is in some diff. language...
What are there prices and services ?

Try http://www.efreeservers.com .

cheers,
:beer:

It's not actually free. They charge $299 for 200GB of bandwidth or less. If you expect a lot of traffic from your sites, it will come out cheaper but if not it will come out more expensive. Rackshack.net is still cheaper at $99.00 a month for RAQ4i and 150GB of bandwidth.

Originally posted by dektong
hey, keep us updated... So did you visit their data center?

BTW, I could not find this information on their web, do they have any setup fee on the dedicated servers?

cheers,
:beer:

[Edited by dektong on 04-11-2001 at 01:04 AM]

i'll visit their facility when my server is set up :)

you have to pay at least $299 down, for the bandwidth - but only for the bandwidth. i consider it a very very good deal...

i hope they don't go out of business... :D

I'm now on a ***** dedicated server. I know, it's a shame... :bawling:

Have you got any experiences with them? Good, bad?

I think if you do a search on ***** here you should find some ummm interesting posts. I wish you the best of luck for the future. :uzi:

I meant some experiences with E.FreeServers?

Whois search

Domain Name: EFREESERVERS.COM

Created on..............: Tue, Feb 27, 2001
Expires on..............: Wed, Feb 27, 2002
Record last updated on..: Tue, Mar 13, 2001

Administrative Contact:
EFS Networks
DNS Administrator
325M Sharon Park Drive #442
Menlo Park, CA 94025
US
Phone: 415-671-3841
Fax..: 415-671-3839
Email: info@efreeservers.com

Technical Contact:
EFS Networks
DNS Administrator
325M Sharon Park Drive #442
Menlo Park, CA 94025
US
Phone: 415-671-3841
Fax..: 415-671-3839
Email: info@efreeservers.com

Zone Contact:
EFS Networks
DNS Administrator
325M Sharon Park Drive #442
Menlo Park, CA 94025
US
Phone: 415-671-3841
Fax..: 415-671-3839
Email: info@efreeservers.com

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.ECONTINENTS.NET 208.187.167.103
NS2.ECONTINENTS.NET 208.187.167.104


The domain is just created on 27 FEB 2001. New company?

Their contact details are the same as econtinents.net.

http://www.econtinents.com/contact.htm
http://www.efreeservers.com/contact.htm

Are these two companies connected to each other? What efreeservers are offering are dedicated server with 200GB at $299. The same server specs with 80GB at econtinents.com would cost $495 + $100 set up.

You might want to check out more because you are bind to a 12 month contract.

DJ

Is your server at EFS up yet?

Tae-Hwan,

It looks like you are going to be the next node9 when he went to NetColony; You get what you pay for. First time I hear about these folks, but for sure they smell weird. Good luck, Romero.

I was getting sick of the lack support of *****. I've been waiting more than a week for the additional ram I ordered. But now I go with E.FreeServers.

The only negative thing is that it's going 3-5 days till the server is installed. They order the server from dell directly. But very nice and fast support. And cheap prices.

I keep you up to date when the server is installed.

romero:

so far the support that e.freeservers has provided has been excellent. my server just got up today and i'm figuring out how to use the control panel right now ^_^

and for some reason i have a feeling that i will get more than what i payed for... and if not, then i can cancel anytime.

"and if not, then i can cancel anytime."

No...you signed a 20 month contract....

Tae-Hwan,

You cant cancel anytime you like. They have a 12 months contract & you could buy the server for $0 after 20 months of continuous service. Here's their service agreement

TERMS OF CONTRACT

I. Financial Arrangements

1. This Agreement shall be for twelve (12) months from the order date when customer registers for the Free Web Server Services, or as otherwise chosen by customer in the Order Form, located on the Site, at the time customer registers for the Services. This Agreement will be automatically renewed (the "Renewal Term") at the end of the Initial Term for the same period as the Initial Term unless customer provides E.FreeServers with notice of termination either at least thirty (30) days prior to the end of the Initial Term or the Renewal Term, whichever is then applicable. Customer may buy their server(s) from E.FreeServers at no cost ($0.00) after twenty (20) months of continuous bandwidth services from EFS Networks. Customer must provide E.FreeServers with your notice of termination by contacting cancel@efreeservers.com. Any notice of termination will be effective upon E.FreeServers receipt thereof. Customer must also notify E.FreeServers of your intention to acquire server(s) at the end of the contract period by providing correct mailing address to E.FreeServers for shipment of the aforementioned servers. *Customer has the option of purchasing the server(s) from EFS Networks at anytime at the following prices (additional sales taxes and shipping charges apply):

well i remember reading somewhere on the site that i could cancel anytime......

well, anyway it doesn't matter because so far i love the service and support i'm receiving from them. my ping times are around 20ms most the time =)

the server is set up and is working great =) there was a slight problem with the pingtimes this morning(they were around 300ms), but they fixed it immediately...

after i'm with them for about a month.. i'm gonna start recommending them..... they're really great!!

btw i swear i don't work for them ^_^ it just sounds like it because so far i really really like their service...

What is the IP address of your server?

Supply some more info.

I also want to add Ensim to there servers If i colo over there.

Joe

Tae-Hwan
you're pretty rich for a 17 year old guy

Guys, listen!

Have you ever received a such mail from *****?

Hi Ramon,
How are you? Your Dell Linux server is currently being shipped to EFS data center in Sacramento.....
Thanks again for your time and business. Have a great day.



They asked me how I am? :blush: Ohhh, I love them. Very nice. Very, very nice support.
***** never asked me how I am. :( But it was *****'s luck because I would have to say that I was very unhappy. :angry:

the ip's of my old (and still active) dialtone servers:

64.29.16.236
64.65.61.10

ip of my new efreeservers server:

208.187.164.50


yea i guess i'm pretty rich for a 17 year old.

Originally posted by Tae-Hwan
the ip's of my old (and still active) dialtone servers:

64.29.16.236
64.65.61.10

ip of my new efreeservers server:

208.187.164.50


yea i guess i'm pretty rich for a 17 year old.


What makes you think that you are "pretty rich" ? just b/c you can afford a server doesn't make you rich , if you bought a $10,000 server for personal use then that is another story :D

well i was responding to the guy who said that i'm pretty rich for a 17 year old. to say that i'm not rich would be arrogant, considering that most of the world's population is starving to death.........

huh ? most people who hangs around these boards are hosts (some are not though) and they have dedicated servers too... what makes you think that you are "rich" ? i have a server that is colocated and paid for and i'm hosting my friends sites for free and uhmm i'm 16 and poor :D:rolleyes:

The traceroute to 208.187.164.50 for me is 22 hops and pings are slow as hell... No thanks...

Yea it was very slow for me and alot of hops as well..

I've being pinging this guys for almost a week and the average is 130ms and yes 20 hops from here.

wonder why!! :sickface:

The ping times do seem high:

--- 208.187.164.50 ping statistics ---
16 packets transmitted, 16 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 103.8/108.2/147.4 ms

and:

--- www.efreeservers.com ping statistics ---
19 packets transmitted, 19 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 101.3/107.3/149.7 ms

Compare this to:

--- dtwebworks.com ping statistics ---
15 packets transmitted, 15 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 77.0/80.5/100.9 ms

or

--- www.tera-byte.com ping statistics ---
15 packets transmitted, 15 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 60.0/61.0/64.4 ms

or

--- weinbar.com ping statistics ---
39 packets transmitted, 39 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 84.0/86.5/125.9 ms

Big difference.

allan

Uuallan you mentioned that I was going into colo.

I am now not considering these efreeservers anymore.

Joe

Originally posted by elijah
huh ? most people who hangs around these boards are hosts (some are not though) and they have dedicated servers too... what makes you think that you are "rich" ? i have a server that is colocated and paid for and i'm hosting my friends sites for free and uhmm i'm 16 and poor :D:rolleyes:

i did not say i was rich compared to most people who hang out on these boards. the person who said i was rich did not say i was rich compared to most people who hang out on these boards. i simply stated, from a global perspective, that i am a rich person, which is entirely true. if you have a server that is colocated and paid for, then you are also rich compared to the rest of the population of the world. to say that you are poor would be an insult to those less fortunate than yourself.

sorry to branch out into non-webhosting topics.

hmm you guys are really scaring me with these e.freeservers pings.. maybe i made the wrong choice? :(

but i still get between 16-24ms pings. (from my pc which is on an at&t @home connection)

hmm lemme ask my server administrator right now.

ok he says he gets an average of around 80ms.. and he lives in colorado. i guess my ping is just really good because i live only an hour or so away from their data center. but when i leased a couple dedicated's from dialtone, i got around 100-200ms... but then again, they're on the other side of the country.

here is a ping block i did from one of my servers at dialtone's NOC(florida) to the efreeservers NOC:

PING 208.187.164.50 (208.187.164.50) from 64.29.16.236 : 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=0 ttl=246 time=94.732 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=1 ttl=246 time=88.675 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=2 ttl=246 time=87.824 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=3 ttl=246 time=87.499 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=4 ttl=246 time=87.104 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=5 ttl=246 time=87.617 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=6 ttl=246 time=87.684 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=7 ttl=246 time=88.908 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=8 ttl=246 time=87.465 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=9 ttl=246 time=87.605 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=10 ttl=246 time=87.488 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=11 ttl=246 time=95.829 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=12 ttl=246 time=97.303 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=13 ttl=246 time=87.547 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=14 ttl=246 time=97.376 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=15 ttl=246 time=100.440 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=16 ttl=246 time=87.711 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=17 ttl=246 time=87.685 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=18 ttl=246 time=88.714 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=19 ttl=246 time=89.440 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=20 ttl=246 time=87.583 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=21 ttl=246 time=87.155 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=22 ttl=246 time=88.798 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=23 ttl=246 time=90.108 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=24 ttl=246 time=87.209 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=25 ttl=246 time=87.343 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=26 ttl=246 time=87.025 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=27 ttl=246 time=88.385 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=28 ttl=246 time=93.314 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=29 ttl=246 time=94.165 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=30 ttl=246 time=88.157 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=31 ttl=246 time=89.592 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=32 ttl=246 time=87.542 msec
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=33 ttl=246 time=88.017 msec



am i missing something here?

oh and here's a traceroute:

traceroute to 208.187.164.50 (208.187.164.50), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 216.87.208.1 (216.87.208.1) 0.863 ms 0.877 ms 1.268 ms
2 12.126.159.93 (12.126.159.93) 5.744 ms 5.338 ms 5.584 ms
3 gbr2-a30s5.ormfl.ip.att.net (12.127.3.38) 5.726 ms 5.814 ms 5.829 ms
4 gbr4-p80.ormfl.ip.att.net (12.122.5.133) 5.953 ms 5.851 ms 5.844 ms
5 gbr3-p10.attga.ip.att.net (12.122.2.129) 15.384 ms 15.124 ms 14.713 ms
6 ggr1-p360.attga.ip.att.net (12.123.20.249) 15.356 ms 14.925 ms 15.201 ms
7 acr1-serial2-2-1-0.Atlantaald.cw.net (208.172.67.209) 15.132 ms 25.298 ms 16.524 ms
8 acr1-loopback.SanFranciscosfd.cw.net (206.24.210.61) 75.863 ms 76.473 ms 75.759 ms
9 bpr1.pax.cw.net (206.24.210.8) 82.305 ms 83.190 ms 82.077 ms
10 206.24.241.30 (206.24.241.30) 81.830 ms 81.483 ms 81.521 ms
11 p10-0.cr02.scrl.eli.net (207.173.114.46) 87.260 ms 86.379 ms 85.662 ms
12 gw-cust-LANSET-COM.rcrd.eli.net (209.210.249.58) 87.028 ms 89.184 ms 94.888 ms
13 gw-cust-LANSET-COM.rcrd.eli.net (209.210.249.58) 86.951 ms 87.570 ms 104.083 ms
14 placeholder50.lanset.com (208.187.164.50) 87.259 ms 87.236 ms 113.780 ms

a few words: be humble...

with that being said :beer:

here is my ping results to your server:

04/20/01 00:29:12 ping 208.187.164.50
Ping 208.187.164.50 ...
1 Addr:208.187.164.50, RTT: 70ms, TTL: 245
2 Addr:208.187.164.50, RTT: 50ms, TTL: 245
3 Addr:208.187.164.50, RTT: 20ms, TTL: 245
4 Addr:208.187.164.50, RTT: 40ms, TTL: 245
5 Addr:208.187.164.50, RTT: 30ms, TTL: 245
6 Addr:208.187.164.50, RTT: 40ms, TTL: 245
7 Addr:208.187.164.50, RTT: 40ms, TTL: 245
8 Addr:208.187.164.50, RTT: 30ms, TTL: 245
9 Addr:208.187.164.50, RTT: 30ms, TTL: 245
10 Addr:208.187.164.50, RTT: 120ms, TTL: 245
11 Addr:208.187.164.50, RTT: 40ms, TTL: 245
12 Addr:208.187.164.50, RTT: 30ms, TTL: 245
13 Addr:208.187.164.50, RTT: 40ms, TTL: 245
14 Addr:208.187.164.50, RTT: 30ms, TTL: 245
15 Addr:208.187.164.50, RTT: 30ms, TTL: 245

i'm a few hours away from efreeservers data center and we are also planning on colo-ing there, we are just waiting for some good feedback about them...

this is a traceroute from switzerland to my new server at efreeservers. i think its not too slow.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Hop | % Loss | IP Address | Node Name | Location | Timezone | ms | Graph | Network |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| 0 | | 194.230.205.141 | yomama | * | | | | sunrise, Switzerland |
| 1 | | 194.230.4.140 | pop-zh-24-1.freesurf.ch | ?(Switzerland) | +1.0 | 34 | x | sunrise, Switzerland |
| 2 | | 194.230.4.132 | - | ?(Switzerland) | +1.0 | 37 | x- | sunrise, Switzerland |
| 3 | | 193.192.225.22 | p4-0.ny01d02.sunrise.ch | - | | 125 | -x | sunrise communications AG |
| 4 | | 195.141.213.227 | ny01s01.sunrise.ch | - | | 121 | x- | sunrise communications AG |
| 5 | | 195.141.230.130 | 1.a1-0.paix.sunrise.ch | - | | 208 | x- | sunrise communications AG |
| 6 | | 198.32.176.27 | paix.eli.net | - | | 199 | -x | Exchange Point Blocks |
| 7 | | 207.173.114.46 | p10-0.cr02.scrl.eli.net | Sacramento, CA, USA | -8.0 | 201 | x | Electric Lightwave, Inc. |
| 8 | | 209.210.249.58 | gw-cust-LANSET-COM.rcrd.eli.net | - | | 201 | x | ELI Backbone |
| 9 | | 209.210.249.58 | gw-cust-LANSET-COM.rcrd.eli.net | - | | 200 | x | ELI Backbone |
| 10 | | 208.187.164.63 | placeholder63.lanset.com | | | 200 | x | ?208.187.164.0 |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
VisualRoute Report for 208.187.164.63 produced at 13:47 on 20. April 2001.
Roundtrip time to 208.187.164.63 (208.187.164.63) average = 200ms min = 200ms max = 210ms

efreeservers noc (http://www.webmin.net/john/NOC1.gif)

another one (http://www.webmin.net/john/NOC2.gif)



cheers,
elijah john :)

Originally posted by comram
this is a traceroute from switzerland to my new server at efreeservers. i think its not too slow.


I would say, it's actually pretty good....

cheers,
:beer:

Sounds like they use a backbone which has very little peering, so while some people may get OKAY results most will prob. get bad results....

Hi, could anyone else post some ping/traceroutes to efreeservers. I am interested them because I have been looking at them and lanset.net(where efreeservsers is at) for some colo/ded servers.

Here are my pings from my adsl in southern california.


Pinging efreeservers.com [208.187.167.110] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 208.187.167.110: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=244
Reply from 208.187.167.110: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=244
Reply from 208.187.167.110: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=244
Reply from 208.187.167.110: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=244

Ping statistics for 208.187.167.110:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 31ms, Maximum = 39ms, Average = 33ms


Also if anyone knows a company in the La/Orange County area to colocate with. Thanks

I just pinged from my @home cable in sac, ca.

Reply from 208.187.167.110: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=246
Reply from 208.187.167.110: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=246
Reply from 208.187.167.110: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=246
Reply from 208.187.167.110: bytes=32 time=26ms TTL=246
-----------
I too am looking to colocate my machine their cause I live close by and want to move from maxim.net. they seem to have all the right answers when it comes to billing and everything which is great.

but the word is out for me also on just how good their peering is? Im not too savy on these topics and would love to blindly signup but I need a good connection in the real world as we all do, us who resell services on our boxes, etc.

Pinging 208.187.164.50 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 208.187.164.50: bytes=32 time=379ms TTL=243
Reply from 208.187.164.50: bytes=32 time=370ms TTL=243
Reply from 208.187.164.50: bytes=32 time=383ms TTL=243
Reply from 208.187.164.50: bytes=32 time=369ms TTL=243

Ping statistics for 208.187.164.50:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss)
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 369ms, Maximum = 383ms, Average = 375ms

Traceroute Output
FROM net.yahoo.com TO 208.187.164.50.

traceroute to 208.187.164.50 (208.187.164.50), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 e-1.4700m-1.3400.yahoo.com (206.132.105.1) 1.383 ms 1.207 ms 1.549 ms
2 gw2-rtr (206.251.17.1) 1.777 ms 0.670 ms 0.809 ms
3 s1-0.gw1.snv.yahoo.com (216.115.100.221) 3.000 ms 2.743 ms 1.885 ms
4 sn10032.bas1-m.snv.yahoo.com (216.115.100.34) 2.093 ms 2.375 ms 2.321 ms
5 ge3-0.hr8.SNV.gblx.net (208.178.103.61) 1.918 ms 2.228 ms 2.075 ms
6 ge9-0-1000M.cr2.SNV.gblx.net (206.132.254.42) 2.587 ms 1.989 ms 2.088 ms
7 so2-0-0-2488M.cr1.PAO2.gblx.net (208.50.169.210) 2.634 ms 2.798 ms 3.778 ms
8 so0-2-0-622M.br2.pao2.gblx.net (208.50.169.142) 2.758 ms 9.109 ms 3.761 ms
9 gw-eli.PAO.gblx.net (206.251.8.94) 2.565 ms 3.375 ms 3.019 ms
10 p10-0.cr02.scrl.eli.net (207.173.114.46) 7.166 ms 7.946 ms 7.403 ms
11 gw-cust-LANSET-COM.rcrd.eli.net (209.210.249.58) 15.631 ms 8.046 ms 9.883 ms
12 gw-cust-LANSET-COM.rcrd.eli.net (209.210.249.58) 12.763 ms 8.221 ms 8.004 ms
13 placeholder50.lanset.com (208.187.164.50) 8.961 ms 8.202 ms 8.036 ms

From 384/128k DSL in Hollister, CA:

Tracing route to placeholder50.lanset.com [208.187.164.50]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 60 ms 30 ms 31 ms adsl-64-164-115-254.dsl.mtry01.pacbell.net [64.164.115.254]
2 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms 216.102.186.161
3 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms edge1-fa0-0-0.mtry01.pbi.net [206.171.158.131]
4 20 ms 30 ms 20 ms sl-gw25-stk-4-0-TS3.sprintlink.net [160.81.16.25]
5 20 ms 20 ms 30 ms sl-eleclight-3-0-0-155M.sprintlink.net [160.81.16.2]
6 20 ms 30 ms 20 ms gw-cust-LANSET-COM.rcrd.eli.net [209.210.249.58]
7 20 ms 30 ms 40 ms gw-cust-LANSET-COM.rcrd.eli.net [209.210.249.58]
8 20 ms 40 ms 30 ms placeholder50.lanset.com [208.187.164.50]

Trace complete.


Pinging 208.187.164.50 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 208.187.164.50: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=248
Reply from 208.187.164.50: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=248
Reply from 208.187.164.50: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=248
Reply from 208.187.164.50: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=248

Ping statistics for 208.187.164.50:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 20ms, Maximum = 30ms, Average = 25ms


And from dedicated server in San Diego, CA:


PING 208.187.164.50 (208.187.164.50): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=0 ttl=244 time=39.0 ms
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=1 ttl=244 time=32.3 ms
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=2 ttl=244 time=20.2 ms
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=3 ttl=244 time=33.0 ms
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=4 ttl=244 time=20.6 ms
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=5 ttl=244 time=35.5 ms
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=6 ttl=244 time=29.4 ms
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=7 ttl=244 time=28.9 ms
64 bytes from 208.187.164.50: icmp_seq=8 ttl=244 time=36.5 ms

--- 208.187.164.50 ping statistics ---
9 packets transmitted, 9 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 20.2/30.6/39.0 ms


traceroute to 208.187.164.50 (208.187.164.50), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 209.126.170.1 (209.126.170.1) 0.876 ms 0.485 ms 0.474 ms
2 serial2-0-3.hsa1.sdg1.Level3.net (209.0.228.21) 1.400 ms 1.367 ms 1.628 m
s
3 lo0.mp1.SanDiego1.level3.net (209.247.8.233) 1.348 ms 1.500 ms 1.272 ms
4 so-5-0-0.mp1.LosAngeles1.level3.net (209.247.9.70) 3.964 ms 4.019 ms 3.80
1 ms
5 so-0-1-0.mp2.SanJose1.level3.net (209.247.8.82) 11.296 ms 11.561 ms 12.13
2 ms
6 pos9-0.core2.SanJose1.level3.net (209.247.11.14) 11.186 ms 11.400 ms 11.3
18 ms
7 mae-west-atm-eli.net (198.32.200.71) 12.901 ms 12.941 ms 12.475 ms
8 srp3-0.er01.plal.eli.net (208.186.21.36) 13.693 ms 12.855 ms 12.489 ms
9 p10-0.cr02.scrl.eli.net (207.173.114.46) 17.021 ms 17.219 ms 18.065 ms
10 gw-cust-LANSET-COM.rcrd.eli.net (209.210.249.58) 19.116 ms 18.069 ms 21.4
74 ms
11 gw-cust-LANSET-COM.rcrd.eli.net (209.210.249.58) 17.937 ms 17.793 ms 19.0
88 ms
12 placeholder50.lanset.com (208.187.164.50) 20.358 ms 18.274 ms 18.647 ms

Ok, so what's the verdict? Is efreeservers good or not?

My thought is that even if their ping time is 100ms instead of 20ms, that won't affect the website's response time noticably.

Has anyone done throughput tests, i.e. how many bytes per second can you download off them?

Also, what about network reliability? Does someone have a monitoring service monitoring their reachability?

THey seem like a decent company to go with, although I havent heard a thing about their support, a they must be a new company, so that might worry me a little bit, but if theres no contract you prob. dont have much to lose.

from efreeservers site:-

TERMS OF CONTRACT

I. Financial Arrangements

1. This Agreement shall be for twenty (20) months from the order date when the customer signs up and registers for the Free Web Server Services. At the end of the 20 months lease-to-own program, customer can buy your server for $0.00 from EFS Networks. Customer has the option of purchasing your server(s) from EFS at anytime by paying an amount equal to the prices listed in the table below. Termination of account prior to the twenty (20) months period requires the customer to provide E.FreeServers with notice of termination either at least thirty (30) days prior to the end of the Term. Customer must provide EFS with your notice of termination by contacting cancel@efreeservers.com. Any notice of termination will be effective upon E.FreeServers receipt thereof. Customer must also notify E.FreeServers of your intention to acquire your server(s) at the end of the contract period by providing correct mailing address to E.FreeServers for shipment of the aforementioned servers:




reading this it seems u can cancel with them anytime, but forfeit your free server.

Hi,

I asked efreeservers if I could colocate more than one server under the same 400 GB package, which should not be a problem since the rackspace is "free" and if I pay for the 400 GB I have the right to use it right?

Well, here's what they answered:


Welcome to E.FreeServers and thank you for your interest in our company.
The minimum bandwidth amount for the first server is 400GB for $399.00 per
month. We can drop that minimum amount down to 250GB for your 2nd, 3rd, or
4th servers. Once you co-located your servers with us, bandwidth usage
charges will be based on each account rather than per server.


I'm not sure what he meant, but one thing for sure, I have to purchase 250 GB/server. Even more stupid, they have a 10,000 GB plan... 10,000 GB for one server? Tsss, come on..

--
Cedric

this is what I Believe, or at least this is what I study at school.

a P400 Processer can do at 50mbps

so a dual PIII 1.5G will be able to do more then 300mbps.

300mbps * 300 = 90,000 GB



THIS IS IN THERY!! Whatever, who cares:D

300 MBPS on a 100 MBPS port?

Wow, these dual PIII's are really good.



:)



--
Cedric

Originally posted by smash
Even more stupid, they have a 10,000 GB plan... 10,000 GB for one server? Tsss, come on..


If you buy that much bandwidth they let you co-locate more than one server for free.

smash, It could be a 1,000mbps port

Originally posted by jman
smash, It could be a 1,000mbps port

need also to consider the NIC used... it has to be gigabit NIC too.... :)

cheers,
:beer:

Looking at efreeservers prices it would be interesting to see who they are buying their bandwidth from. The no peering aspect would almost point to cogent. Could be why the trace routes are decent for some and not so good for other.

As I am sure most know bandwidth on top rated backbones costs $$$$.

As far as the fees is $299/month (with or w/o setup), i don't see anything special.. btw, their plan is quite similar to host2own.com..

I would like to shed some light on the discussion about the contract you are locked into with EFS. I was considering a ded. server with them until I got this email. I had asked them if they allowed (legal) adult content and here was the response:

Hi Nate,

Welcome to E.FreeServers and thank you for your interest in our company.
With regard to your question, you can definitely run adult (legal) contents
on your server. Please note that our free server is based on a 20 month
lease-to-own program in which you're simply paying for the bandwidth ($1.50
/ 1GB) during this time. Acquisition cost will be $0.00 after the 20 months
period. You can leave at anytime, but you'll be required to purchase the
server outright from us at the price listed on our site. As for monthly
cost, it is a minimum of $299.00 for 200GB. Additional bandwidth is still
charged at $1.50 / 1GB. In the event that you use more bandwidth than the
alloted amount, we'll send you a second invoice for the extra bandwidth.
Also, this is going to be your server so you can install any type of
software that you want on it.

Thanks again for your time and consideration. Please contact us at anytime
if you have any question about our products and/or services.


Best Regards,


Jacques Pham
E.FreeServers Inc.
415-671-3841



This seems to be that you will owe them $2759.00 for the Dell sever they are offering if you leave within 20 months. Of course you could say that you will own the server, but thats a big chunk of change to come up with if they go downhill and you wish to leave. No thanks. :blush:

I was still considering about moving to them a while ago. But now no more... I don't like to take risks...

|I was still considering about moving to them a while ago. But now no more... I don't like to take risks...|

I agree why to take a risk and get locked on a 20 month contract!!! As I said before is better to host with big companies and pay a bit more than to host with a new company that we do not know what to expect from...:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Tae-Hwan
I'm moving some of my websites from dialtone to e.freeservers... so far the experience has been quite good. Service is prompt, and they invited me to come visit their data center (I live an hour and 11 minutes away)

If this goes well, I'll colocate with them.

I'm posting this because I cannot understand how they can make money off their current prices, so I'm wondering if any of you could give me a good estimate on how much profit they make off their service plans. ^_^

Umm, I'll also keep you guys up to date on how it goes... What they offer is.. unbelievable.

bye..


Aloha
hows the efreeserver going ??
any updates for us ;)

also what model did you get ??

$300 for 200GIG bandwidth?
I pay $250 a month for a 933Mhz - 256MB - 30GB server and UNLIMITED bandwidth.... trust me guys, it IS unlimited... I consume A LOT and they never bitched at me! Oh, before I forget, www.ewsnl.com , thats who i host with...

Originally posted by romero
Tae-Hwan,

It looks like you are going to be the next node9 when he went to NetColony; You get what you pay for. First time I hear about these folks, but for sure they smell weird. Good luck, Romero.

Romero, what's wrong with Netcolony's services?

I was looking into them for colloing my own server. Is it still worth doing or should i look else where?

Originally posted by Skeptical


Romero, what's wrong with Netcolony's services?

Romero was referring to the now defunct racklocation.com which was a joint venture between Netcolonies and PogoLinux. You can do a search for more info, although the juciest thread was deleted by pogolinux (the topic starter) - a "feature" of vBulletin that the mods have now, thankfully, disabled. To sum up what I remember of the saga, the racklocation deal involved netcolony setting up a server for you at DI and PogoLinux billing your cc and tech support... tech support?... ah that was the problem. People not even being able to get their server rebooted.

This is from Israel, enjoy (btw, this is very good for Israel)

Report for efreeservers.com [63.211.153.68]

Analysis: 'efreeservers.com' was found in 16 hops (TTL=235). It is a HTTP server (running Apache/1.3.12 Cobalt (Unix) mod_ssl/2.6.4
OpenSSL/0.9.5a PHP/4.0.3pl1 mod_auth_pam/1.0a FrontPage/4.0.4.3 mod_perl/1.24).

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Hop | %Loss | IP Address | Node Name | Location | Tzone | ms | Graph | Network |
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| 0 | | 10.0.0.2 | NewComputer | ... | | | | (private use) |
| 1 | | 212.25.114.61 | pt114-61.nas.bezeqint.net | ?(Israel) | +2.0 | 39 | x | IL-ISDNNET-980720 |
| 2 | | 212.179.59.195 | - | ?(Israel) | +2.0 | 40 | x- | BEZEQINT-EQUIP |
| 3 | | 192.115.106.254 | gw0.bezeqint.net | ?(Israel) | +2.0 | 43 | x-- | Bezeq International Ltd. |
| 4 | | 212.25.93.242 | - | ?(Israel) | +2.0 | 43 | x- | BEZEQ-INTERNATIONAL |
| 5 | | 157.130.252.221 | 500.Serial2-1-1.GW3.NYC1.ALTER.NET | New York, NY, USA | -5.0 | 220 | x---- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. |
| 6 | | 146.188.177.134 | 104.ATM3-0.XR2.NYC1.ALTER.NET | New York, NY, USA | -5.0 | 215 | -x-- | UUNET PIPEX |
| 7 | | 152.63.18.58 | 194.at-1-0-0.XR2.NYC9.ALTER.NET | New York, NY, USA | -5.0 | 207 | -x- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. |
| 8 | | 152.63.23.141 | 0.so-2-1-0.XL2.NYC9.ALTER.NET | New York, NY, USA | -5.0 | 200 | x- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. |
| 9 | | 152.63.22.229 | POS7-0.BR2.NYC9.ALTER.NET | New York, NY, USA | -5.0 | 200 | x- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. |
| 10 | | 209.244.160.161 | atm4-0.core2.NewYork1.Level3.net | New York, NY, USA | -5.0 | 214 | -x--- | Level 3 Communications, Inc. |
| 11 | | 209.247.10.37 | so-4-1-0.mp1.NewYork1.level3.net | New York, NY, USA | -5.0 | 208 | -x- | Level 3 Communications, LLC |
| 12 | | 209.247.8.93 | so-0-2-0.mp2.sfo1.level3.net | San Francisco, CA, USA | -8.0 | 281 | x | Level 3 Communications, LLC |
| 13 | | 209.247.10.238 | pos9-0.core2.SanFrancisco1.level3.net | San Francisco, CA, USA | -8.0 | 293 | x---- | Level 3 Communications, LLC |
| 14 | | 209.244.14.46 | gigaethernet6-0.ipcolo2.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net | San Francisco, CA, USA | -8.0 | 289 | x-- | Level 3 Communications, Inc. |
| 15 | | 209.247.45.230 | - | ?Louisville, CO 80027 | | 289 | x | Level 3 Communications, Inc. |
| 16 | | 63.211.153.68 | efreeservers.com | ?Louisville, CO 80027 | | 298 | x--- | Level 3 Communications, Inc. |
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roundtrip time to efreeservers.com, average = 298ms, min = 290ms, max = 420ms -- 12:34:12 08/06/2001

Originally posted by Mivo
It's not actually free. They charge $299 for 200GB of bandwidth or less. If you expect a lot of traffic from your sites, it will come out cheaper but if not it will come out more expensive. Rackshack.net is still cheaper at $99.00 a month for RAQ4i and 150GB of bandwidth.


rackshack raq4=
128 megs ram, 20 gig drive 150gb
$250 down + $58 down for extra to match efreeservers
$99/month + $29/month for 128 extra ram, + $29/month for 24/7 monitoring

efreeservers raq4=
256 megs ram, dual 20 gig raid, 200gb, 24/7 monitoring
$0 down
$299/month

So total for rackshack per month (not counting $308 in setup fees) is $157.

Now rackshack is still cheaper. BUT if you want/need IP's, EVERY time you request them it's $29 setup plus $4/month for 4 ip's. If you need just 50 ip's, it will cost you $200/month! plus your $157 for the server = $357/month. PLUS you'll pay around $362 in setup fees for the IP's (now in defense I don't know if they let you order 50 at once and not pay $29 setup per 4.. but $1/month per IP still).

efreeservers = free unlimited ip's.

Oh yeah.. still get 50 gigs traffic more with efreeservers. Some hosts are running dedicated servers for this price that only get 50 gigs total per month to begin with!

So who has the better deal even with a FEW customers?

I say this as I have followed the posts about efreeservers closely. I have a new server with Burst and and VERY happy with it and Burst. I'm thinking about adding a NT machine and am thinking of going with efreeservers if I continue to see good posts about them.

Information based on a residential cable modem connection from RoadRunner-Houston at 12:02 am CST.

Ping to efreeservers.com:
# IP address Host name Round trip time
1 63.211.153.68 efreeservers.com 64 ms
2 63.211.153.68 efreeservers.com 63 ms
3 63.211.153.68 efreeservers.com 62 ms
4 63.211.153.68 efreeservers.com 60 ms
5 63.211.153.68 efreeservers.com 62 ms

Traceroute to efreeservers.com:
# IP address Host name Round trip time
1 10.242.176.1 Unavailable 14 ms
2 24.28.97.169 cs2897-169.houston.rr.com 12 ms
3 24.28.97.165 cs2897-165.houston.rr.com 11 ms
4 24.28.97.49 cs2897-49.houston.rr.com 14 ms
5 24.28.97.6 cs2897-6.houston.rr.com 12 ms
6 208.172.195.129 acr1-serial2-1-0-0.Houstonhob.cw.net 11 ms
7 208.172.130.61 acr1-loopback.Dallasdan.cw.net 29 ms
8 208.172.131.226 cable-and-wireless-peering.Dallasdan.cw 17 ms
9 209.247.10.105 so-5-0-0.mp2.Dallas1.level3.net 17 ms
10 209.247.8.90 so-0-1-0.mp2.SanFrancisco1.level3.net 60 ms
11 209.247.10.238 pos9-0.core2.SanFrancisco1.level3.net 61 ms
12 209.244.14.46 gigaethernet6-0.ipcolo2.SanFrancisco1.L 60 ms
13 209.247.45.230 Unavailable 62 ms
14 63.211.153.68 efreeservers.com 61 ms





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Not bad really. :-)

Just wondering if any of the current Efreeservers.com customers could give us their opinion on the service they're receiving right now...

Basically a status report...

With those prices, I'm EXTREMELY interested in efreeservers.com

Aloha,
I am looking at them close also
all emails I have asked them questions on have had good response time so far
the one other thing is if you get a dell win 2k box you will need something to run dns and mail on as the dells seem not to have a dns server on them ???
not sure if you can install off win2k the dns service but a good fyi

In their service agreement, they say they're not responsible for absolutely anything...

apparently, they can not be held liable for anything!!!

Is that common among these dedicated server providers?

Originally posted by big_smooth
In their service agreement, they say they're not responsible for absolutely anything...

apparently, they can not be held liable for anything!!!

Is that common among these dedicated server providers?

Yes most I have seen
a way of trying to protect themselves
if they do say they are responsibvle for certain things it will then somehow say but in the case of ...
to get out of it ;)

managed servers you will get people saying they are responsible for stuff
although efreeservers I thought said will do updates patches etc...

Big_Smooth:
I've been working closely with eFreeServers since they began, and I have been very happy with the relationship. I have NEVER gotten a raw deal with them, and they are extremely above-board. Honesty is hard to come by in this business...I know because I've worked at most levels of hosting/co-location/managed servers...and the openness and candor is very refreshing. I'll have my first Raq with them in July, and I expect to have many more.

Honu-
No, you can not run DNS from the Dell.Power.app's. In fact, it has been my unfortunate experience with them that you can't do much. For the best DNS experience, I would recommend either a Raq or one of their Extreme FreeBSD's and install either Webmin or PLESK. But I'm partial to Cobalt myself. :)

Aloha
thanks
I might try to setup a extra server and do dns on it and then use my raq as secondary
not sure yet but bummer though
or just run a straight win2k server and run dns from it
ahhhh decisions ;)

Additionally, if you want to run primary, they will happily handle secondary for you if you want.

Originally posted by sbrad
Additionally, if you want to run primary, they will happily handle secondary for you if you want.
Aloha
cool to know that they will do second then
you have a server with them ??
if so what kind ??

I know on there win2k sign up they show the dns stuff ??

mahalo

I have setup several servers with them. Right now I'm working on getting a web hosting company off the ground, and it will be on a Raq 4r.

Another great thing (and I don't mean to keep proselytizing for them, but they really do have the most personal service I have seen), but I am able to resell their co-location and dedicated servers also, and that really expands my potential. For example: $50 referral fee and then 10% of monthly bandwidth revenues is pretty good. Or, if you prefer, you can wrap your own label around it, sell the bandwidth for what you want, and keep everything over $1/GB.

Originally posted by sbrad
Big_Smooth:
.... But I'm partial to Cobalt myself. :)

Why you are partial to Cobalt???

Originally posted by sbrad
Or, if you prefer, you can wrap your own label around it, sell the bandwidth for what you want, and keep everything over $1/GB.

What is the setup/initial cost of getting this done? I'm intersted....

What are the monthly fees and etc....

Cause, the pricing details on their website is very very vague! and when i contacted them via email, they weren't being too clear either.

Originally posted by big_smooth
What is the setup/initial cost of getting this done? I'm intersted....


http://resellers.efreeservers.com/

it's free for the reseller, who will earn referral fees...but, it does not say antyhing about the private label reseller.

Their co-location prices seem out of line with the dedicated to me. They sure seem to want to push the "equipment" and not their network.

This has scared me away from them in terms of my search for a California co-location provider.

Their co-location prices seem out of line with the dedicated to me. They sure seem to want to push the "equipment" and not their network.
Simply put, their colo prices start at around $1/GB (and go as low as $.70/GB for those with really deep pockets), and they don't charge for the rack space.
Their dedicated servers are a flat $1.50/GB across the board. This, in my opinion, is not a bad price at all, and indeed seems very competitive.
I'm not trying to argue, as I'm obviously a happy customer...but where is it "out of line"?:cool:

Time for an update, customers that have posted in the past please report to data entry window (a.k.a Post Reply). :smokin:

I am also interested in knowing about this too.

For those who have been with EFS for awhile, can you write something?

I also have a dedicated server with them.

All I can say their speed, support and everthing is great so far. You will always have great connection speed because they sell bandwidth to make money. I normally, transfer around 15GB per day without a single problem. May be it's because the connection speed and Dell server.

They are using 100MB/s port, don't like rackspace, they use 10MB/s port only and if you want to upgrade, you need to pay more per month. This is great for high traffic site.

Anyway, the price is worth for the services.

Originally posted by maxbear
I also have a dedicated server with them.

All I can say their speed, support and everthing is great so far. You will always have great connection speed because they sell bandwidth to make money. I normally, transfer around 15GB per day without a single problem. May be it's because the connection speed and Dell server.

They are using 100MB/s port, don't like rackspace, they use 10MB/s port only and if you want to upgrade, you need to pay more per month. This is great for high traffic site.

Anyway, the price is worth for the services.

Aloha
did you get a win2k or unix box ??
if you got a win2k
what are you using for
DNS ???
email pop ???
FTP ???

Mahalos

I only get a linux box. I use it for web server. Pretty good.

We also have some servers with them, althought our main site is still at the first location we had before signup with efrees. I find it a very good value compared to other services. You get 1GB bandwidth for $1.50 and own the server after 20 month. You can say 20 month contracts are s*** but i have a hosting company and i dont plan to go out of business within 20 month. There's no point to do it, so why NOT a 20 month contract?
You may say "the server will be old and outdated after this 20 month but look at it the other way: Is a double Pentium III @ 1GHz with 2 gigs of RAM REALLY outdated? HOw many ppl run hosting companies on Raq3's and 4's? If they're not outdated but running very fine i can not see the point not to sign a contract. :D

Originally posted by microsol
We also have some servers with them, althought our main site is still at the first location we had before signup with efrees. I find it a very good value compared to other services. You get 1GB bandwidth for $1.50 and own the server after 20 month. You can say 20 month contracts are s*** but i have a hosting company and i dont plan to go out of business within 20 month. There's no point to do it, so why NOT a 20 month contract?
You may say "the server will be old and outdated after this 20 month but look at it the other way: Is a double Pentium III @ 1GHz with 2 gigs of RAM REALLY outdated? HOw many ppl run hosting companies on Raq3's and 4's? If they're not outdated but running very fine i can not see the point not to sign a contract. :D

Aloha
totally agree with ya it will be good for some time (over 20 months)

what box did you get ???

Originally posted by Honu

totally agree with ya it will be good for some time (over 20 months)


I think the server would be good for the next 48 month. If it doesn't meet the requirements in 48 month it can be used for hosting html pages ONLY, or you just put some webs with high requirements onto other (newer) servers. There might be some other problems like hard disk crashes, memory problems or other but you will have these problems anyway with every server after some time! It's never too late to aquire or lease a own server!!!

how ready are these servers to start up and host a couple sites.
i know they are missing quite a few things, some miss the DNS and some dont have the email server etc.

Is it alot of work to get them up to speed?

Originally posted by Trevor
how ready are these servers to start up and host a couple sites.
i know they are missing quite a few things, some miss the DNS and some dont have the email server etc.

Is it alot of work to get them up to speed?

Aloha
well the win2k dell solution does not have dns and a pop on it you will have to get one
I am not sure but others have said that the MS dns that is on win2k will not work on the Dell so
the dns issue would be the biggest hurdle
teh unix ones should not be a problem to get up and going
even if bind or equivelant is not installed it would be easy enough ?

depends on what ya need I guess
Unix - Pretty much ready to go
win2k - needs DNS, FTP, POP server

Time for an update, customers that have posted in the past please report to data entry window (a.k.a Post Reply).
I've had a server with EFS since June, and I've been having it monitored by easymonitor.com. So far, I've got 100% uptime.

OK -- efreeservers is now near the top of my list for a co-location provider.

My problem / concern is this...

I will have a 3-legged firewall. The firewall will have two adapters bridgeing (no IP addresses) and a third interface with an IP address for remote management.

I contacted their sales to ask how this would be priced, and they said "If you want to have other equipment to go with your server, than there will be an additional $50.00 monthly fee."

My concern is that they aren't going to understand what I need and think that I'm trying to run two servers ($400) instead of one server + equipment ($250).

==================================
Understanding such a configuration:
In essence, I will have one system (firewall) that has 3 Ethernet jacks. Two of these need to be connected to efreenetwork (ISP), then the 3rd port is connected to the actual server via a cross-over cable.

So, in essence, eFreenetworks will only be connecting ONE computer to their network -- but with two different ports (one for remote management, the other for site traffic).
==================================
Anyone had issues with eFreeServers not understanding specialized needs?

The root of this issue is the screwy way they do pricing... they claim everything is "free" (rackspace, network taps) but then have a $200 minimum... makes a configuration like mine not fit right.

Originally posted by StephenRS
Anyone had issues with eFreeServers not understanding specialized needs?

If you class providing support well above the call of duty in order to take a host from being a long term reseller to form on their feet running a server as "specialized needs", then eFreeservers win hands down. ;-)

I can't comment on your specific situation, but would feel safe in saying that if they can help you, they will do so gladly. Top marks for support as far as we're concerned.

Gary