Hi,
I run the Name Depot, and I'm interested in developing a good working relationship w/ a good hosting company. I've tried to work with my host (who has hosted the site for over a year), but they have shown little interest (they are "techies" that don't understand the value of the NameDepot, at all).
If you're interested, please post your message here, or contact me thru my site. Thanks.

I'm afraid I would have the same problem partnering with someone who does not disclose to unsuspecting people the reality behind the "new" TLDs for which you offer registration.

That they (my tlds) exist in the "inclusive name space" ? That I guarantee a 0% per year price increase? etc, etc.
My host doesn't have a problem with my tlds, they just don't understand what a "brandable" domain name is (and I promise you, Name Depot is certainly that).

That the "9 New Top Level Domains" are not only not ICANN-approved, no matter what one might think of that horrendous organization, but that all the new.net domains require a plugin that peoples' visitors might not know about and therefore people might be unable to reach their sites, etc. Branding is passe because it is so common, especially since the bubble of dot-conomy has receded.

I'm gonna have to differ on that: branding is more critical, now that the dot com bubble has burst....don't think so? ok, give it a few more months, see who is left standing. I've never thought having a brandable domain name is a "cure all", i.e. you still need a viable biz model and a good site as well....but having one (a good to great name) sure makes life easier, at times.

I'm of the opinion that the "branding" issue is a dead and dying one. With investors as skittish as they are, the funding for such outreaching plans is drying up. When you add in the less than honorable things that some companies do (look at eFront for an example of that one), it's becoming less and less likely for a purely dot-com business to sruvive in the manner it might have a couple of years ago.

I think you'll get a lot of flak from people 'who know better' as you seem to be charging $25 for what amounts to little more than a redirect service, and one that requires a plug-in at that if Peeps is correct.

To me a TLD is an ICANN approved, accessable by everyone, domain name. All these B.S. names coming out lately does little more than confuse people and put unnessary burdens on people trying to get their presence online, who may not understand the 'hook' involved in getting them to work.

As far as I'm concerned you're doing little more than preying on other people's innocence.

Greg Moore

Icann approved, blah...", and it's also important to remember that the "me" in this case is the owner of, is it, akashik.net (did you really pay money to reg. that?!), talking to the guy that created/owns The Name Depot.
ICANN approved to me means little, they've got their own set of concerns to worry about (as the alternative roots have theirs, for sure).
Oh, and "preyin' on someone's innocence"? I think not, I'm sure if I put my mind to it, I can put together a pretty impressive client/partner list for 'ya.

Actually it wouldn't impress me if you owned domain.com - the fact remains, you're registering names that aren't generally accessable. Put one on a business card and give it someone in a meeting. Are you going to explain to them how they have to go to another site first, and download a plugin *before* they enter the URL?

Yes I did pay money for it - a lot less than you charge for your redirects by the way

Greg Moore

Or :)

Going back to the CD business card post... just put your site addy with the plug-in on there :)

Still I don't think the plub-in domains will be very popular... sure you'll have your big names highly publicised going for a high amount of money, but I think in the long run they will be the betavision of the web hosting world.

Regards,

Mike

NameDepot: You are wrong on one thing: You think there are no more .com left and people is now shoping for other TLDs - that's an error IMHO.

People learn that a domain which is only "somewhat" descriptive, like TopDomains.com or whatever, doesn't bring that much traffic. You are very right, it's brandability that matters. No matter if a domain isn't perfectly generic, as long as it's easy to remember. Now, of this type, there are plenty of domains left in the .com domain space. Only idiots will use something other than .com (eventually .net).

Ok, so, with your site you're out for a venture I'd call "fishing for idiots" :) Luckily for you there are also plenty of these and so you might earn some bucks. But to fool the idiots, you'd need to give a more professional touch to your site ;)

A bit inconsistent seems that your "Register" link leads to Dotster.com.

And the new TLD registration doesn't seem to work. I put something in the 3 fields and hit the button, nothing happens LOL

Originally posted by astra4
NameDepot: You are wrong on one thing: You think there are no more .com left and people is now shoping for other TLDs - that's an error IMHO.

There are a lot of .com's and so forth left therefore I have to say it's an error as well. Just to name a few domains I've registered lately but haven't really used:

http://www.systemfiles.com
http://www.phiberoptix.net
http://www.job-hq.com
http://www.career-hq.com
http://www.teknohost.com

You just need to be creative :)

Regards,

Mike

Or how about this one:

NoHosting.com :D

It's available if anyone wants to register it...

For a well done site fooling idiots, see SnapNames.com, IMHO (or has anyone ever heared they could really snap a name for someone?)

I know there are, I like working with .com's as much as the next guy, but I also like to not be limited to them.
And to see my domains, you need to change your dns settings if your isp doesn't support them (many isps are supporting my domains, and its growing as well).

Originally posted by NameDepot
And to see my domains, you need to change your dns settings if your isp doesn't support them

Well I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I think that pretty much summed up why I don't think these 'domains' are a very good idea.

Greg Moore

Originally posted by NameDepot
I know there are, I like working with .com's as much as the next guy, but I also like to not be limited to them.
And to see my domains, you need to change your dns settings if your isp doesn't support them (many isps are supporting my domains, and its growing as well).


What would happen if aol.com decides to run a TLD with the same extension? What would happen if MSN starts a TLD with the same extension? What if another company offers AOL more money to recognize their TLD which is the same as one of your TLD's?

Legal fights, people unable to reach your site, lost sales.

-Mike

OK. I have a better TLD anyway, just give me 5 minutes to write a little plugin script to modify your DUN settings for nameservers then you can have your very own .scam domain name, for a mere $10,000 you can run your own .scam

:D

These are issues the alternative roots are aware of, and will hopefully straighten out. The issue of "colliders" has become very apparent with the launch of new.net (who opened w/ 20 tlds, 18 of which collide).Originally posted by mpalamar
Originally posted by NameDepot
I know there are, I like working with .com's as much as the next guy, but I also like to not be limited to them.
And to see my domains, you need to change your dns settings if your isp doesn't support them (many isps are supporting my domains, and its growing as well).


What would happen if aol.com decides to run a TLD with the same extension? What would happen if MSN starts a TLD with the same extension? What if another company offers AOL more money to recognize their TLD which is the same as one of your TLD's?

Legal fights, people unable to reach your site, lost sales.

-Mike

To me the point doesn't seem to be how well those problems you are so well aware of might be solved with certain ISPs sometimes in the future - it's that I couldn't find where you tell people that what you are selling here just doesn't work for 99% of the world in the way they normally use and go to URLs.
I can't find any FAQ, Terms of Service, etc - in fact, it's not even clear why I need to enter my name and email before I can even check whether or not a domain in "your" TLDs is taken - or am I already ordering the domain by pressing "Go!"? And why is "Register" a sponsored link? There's no real information content on the site at all.

Better get KDA's "namedepot.scam" before it's gone!

Wow, i'm doing well, I've got orders for at leadt 6 .scam domains now.

Any other takers? Early adopters can have them for $5000

What I'm wondering is, if NameDepot's aTLD extensions are so wonderful, why isn't NameDepot using one for their primary site?

What would be some of the legal issues in doing this? I mean couldn't New.net get sued or something? Have they signed any contracts or what ever?


Just curious... :)

Name.Depot, TLD.Depot, and TLDDepot.com are all redirects. I know you need a great .com address to be taken seriously.
As for the comments about me runnin' a scam, I used a bunch of time and energy on siteowners.com boards addressing these issues, I can assure you this much: if you own something like NameDepot.com (one of the most versatile, "branded" names on the web) that is capable of making money any number of ways, why would you have to resort to scammin'? It would not make any sense.

I guess if branding makes or breaks a company then Microsoft is crap out of luck. I mean, how do you brand that? "Really Small Software Company?". Come on, do you honestly think that NameDepot is THAT brandable? Even so, you can come up with an excuse for any domain name to be brandable.

PLUS, a great domain name, doesn't mean it's not a scam. Ever heard of BigPlanet.com? Though they have nothing to do with hosting, they're being sued all over the place, but BigPlanet is very brandable, and it could be used to make money any number of ways... it's still a scam.

I mean, my reputation as a "namer" means something to me. So yeah, I'd say NameDepot is one of the more (I'd put it as a top 5, for sure) brandable names for this kind of business.
You say "anything can be a brandable domain name"? I don't think so (is sorts why some names sell for millions of dollars, and some aren't worth the fee you pay to register them).

I got to give to credit for believing yourself.

But I disagreee on the bradability, any domain is brandable:

Yahoo.com
Google.com
AltaVista.com

The first two are non-sense domains really, yet they get millions of hits per month.

Your name could be highly brandable in the right hands, by that I mean someone running a business that doesn't amount to basic deception - if ICANN realease TLDs with the same extension then I will try my best not to fall off my chair laughing at new.net and similar systems.

Isn't Google a family name?

come from the first generation of internet companies. The next generation of internet companies, those that will survive the crash, will either have an offline prescense, or some kind of association with an offline brand (i.e. like NameDepot.com).
As for the importance of a name, just take something silly like kdawebservices.com as an example: is anyone going to take what the owner of that, kdawebservices.com, says seriously? I know I don't.Originally posted by KDAWebServices
I got to give to credit for believing yourself.

But I disagreee on the bradability, any domain is brandable:

Yahoo.com
Google.com
AltaVista.com

The first two are non-sense domains really, yet they get millions of hits per month.

Your name could be highly brandable in the right hands, by that I mean someone running a business that doesn't amount to basic deception - if ICANN realease TLDs with the same extension then I will try my best not to fall off my chair laughing at new.net and similar systems.

All of our clients take what we at KDA Web Services say seriously, I also know a lot of people on the net take what we say seriously - else I wouldn't have other hosts contacting me asking questions that they don't know the answers to. I also wouldn't have people from SitePoint coming and asking me questions if they thought that what I said was not serious.

You're not doing yourself and your business any justice by trying to discredit anyone that disagrees with you.

If you are so adamant that people won't take what KDA Web Services say seriously then give me some reasons? Why isn't KDAWebServices.com as brandable as name depot? We get quite a lot of people visiting our site that have typed our URL directly into their browser. Pretty much any domain can be branded into peoples mind's, and the best way is through quality service and support - which is why we have never lost a single customer.

Karl,

I wouldn't let him get to you - you're better than that. There's been a lot of trolling going here lately...

Greg Moore

I'm a very happy KDAWebServices Customer :)

He's not gonna get to me, just like another host realised a couple of weeks back he'll not get to me. I've seen to many other people loose face in the eyes of others over people trolling to risk my reputation.

I can't, I know nothing about it. As a name, it does little if anything, for me, was what I was sayin'. (Kdawebservices is as brandable as Name Depot?! That's the best one I've heard, in a while.Originally posted by KDAWebServices
All of our clients take what we at KDA Web Services say seriously, I also know a lot of people on the net take what we say seriously - else I wouldn't have other hosts contacting me asking questions that they don't know the answers to. I also wouldn't have people from SitePoint coming and asking me questions if they thought that what I said was not serious.

You're not doing yourself and your business any justice by trying to discredit anyone that disagrees with you.

If you are so adamant that people won't take what KDA Web Services say seriously then give me some reasons? Why isn't KDAWebServices.com as brandable as name depot? We get quite a lot of people visiting our site that have typed our URL directly into their browser. Pretty much any domain can be branded into peoples mind's, and the best way is through quality service and support - which is why we have never lost a single customer.

This is kind of funny. You can talk about brandability all you want to, as far as I'm concernced your too stubborn to think that maybe ease-of-use, support teams, sales teams and overall running of a business is what MAKES the business. At any rate, saying that no one is going to listen to Karl's company is REAL funny. Especially coming from a guy that can't even find anyone willing to partner with him. Many of the hosting companies on this board would like to be at the level that Karl is at, and yet he's not trustworthy? Once your leasing your own servers, or co-locating or acutally have something other then a nifty domain name, then come back. But until then keep your mouth shut, your only making a fool of yourself bashing Karl.

Keep this civil please, or this thread is going to hell....

I said, and I still say, kdawebhosting.com is about as worthless a domain name as you might ever come across, nothing in there about Karl (whom I hope doesn't depend on his naming abilities to survive).
I have had little trouble finding partners for the Name Depot, actually, I have trouble keepin' up with all the sites that wanna partner with it.

Oh.... god help you all :)

Thread locked. Any more trolling and you get banned. First and last warning.