Yep..fighting words!

I cannot believe that they are ALLOWED to continue having the responsibility of registering domains and administering this enormously important facet of the internet.

It makes me want to discard ALL generic TLD's and rely purely on other countries that allow global registrations.

After WEEKS of having a variety of problems with them, they seem to be getting worse, not better.

I have just discovered that some name servers I use are in their database as being coordinated by a person completely unknown to us.

This is only one of MANY issues, but after considering the problems that the whole world has to face with this culpably run cluster**** of a company... I am seething.

If a bureaucracy in Government were so consistently making mistakes like this, which affected people's capacity to earn money, they would be voted out or removed... no such luck with this private menace.

The United States has a greater responsibility than most to make sure this company, one of it's creations, is operated by at least 'semi' literate staff, and management who are accountable in some way for their actions... like most of the rest of us in the modern world.

The arrogance with which this sorry situation is handled just makes it more bitter to swallow.

Hopefully soon, the other registrars will gain enough market share to have some greater influence over the US controlled Verisign Global Registry and little battlers like 'namespace' and others like them will make some ground in getting some sense into this stuff.

If a Company or Business name was correctly registered in most Western countries, it has a legal status of it's own... albeit not a 'real person'.

This is for a range of very good reasons, including protecting the members or owners of that company from having their hard work and investment compromised by criminal abuse of their 'real' and 'intellectual' property.

Can you imagine how pissed off Bill Gates would be if through some bureaucratic bungle, he didn't own or control the domain name Microsoft.com??? Not as bad as if he discovered that his company records had been changed to reflect that his shares were owned by someone else, accidentally.

Having recourse through the due process of law is not the answer here, as most people cannot afford the time or the financial burden of trying to unravel a mess the likes of which Network Solutions is currently capable of creating..

Well.. I guess this subject has become boring now that it appears so regularly, but somebody has to grab this and tidy it up...or maybe the other 5.7 billion of us who live outside the USA should start our own internet????

Oi!

Nothing you can do about it.

Originally posted by William
Nothing you can do about it.

Yeah I know, but I feel better now after having a good whinge.. :)

I've seen the term whinge a few times and just thought it a typo by someone who meant whine.

Felix, you;ve been around here long enough to know that you should have transferred your domains to a good registrar, so don't expect much sympathy. You know better, you just didn't act on what you know.

Actually Duster, I know felix very well and I know for a fact that the majority of his domain dealings aren't with NetSol ;)

Felix, buddy..... (and everyone else). Here's something to raise everyone's blood pressure a bit higher - ICANN and NetSol.

Need I say more?

http://news.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/ftc?pagename=View&c=Article&cid=FT3FGXAGYKC&live=true

Originally posted by Duster
I've seen the term whinge a few times and just thought it a typo by someone who meant whine.

Felix, you;ve been around here long enough to know that you should have transferred your domains to a good registrar, so don't expect much sympathy. You know better, you just didn't act on what you know.


You're an intelligent enough person Duster so I would have thought a dictionary might have been the thing to clear up your quandry... The Oxford is a good one for ENGLISH. ;)

whinge v. (-geing or -ging) colloq. whine; grumble peevishly. [Old English]


I have NO domains with NetSol, but as a host I am forced to deal with them anyway... in case you weren't aware..(?)

Sympathy wasn't sought, just some kind of competent management or at least someone in the USA to get off their arse and do something other than take Williams attitude that it's old news therefore acceptable... geezuz!!

I should not have read that.. What a joke.

"Netsol receives $6 for each domain registered, regardless of the registrar."

Okay, here's the plan folks, let's boycott domain names and everyone use strictly IP addresses.
Much the same as phone numbers. ;) Well, I think that'd be interesting. :D

I do refer to a dictionary when need be. It's just that I'm tired from staying up working on some site redesigns. It's an unabridged dictionary (big and a bit heavy), I have a couple of big books on top of it, and I just didn't feel like getting up to look whinge up. Thanks, now I know it's a variation of whine.

I understand your frustration with NetSol. I just feel a more practical solution is avoiding them or moving all domains from them. Then they can be the ghost of registrations past. That's what I did with that horrible host I had, one whose 3 letter abbreviation (beginning with A) is filtered here, ***.

The ineptitude of ICANN, however, is something we all still have to put up with.

You do have my understanding, though. With any luck, an increasing number of people will regsiter initially with better registrars, more NSI customers will move to others, and NSI will fade in significance and market share.

[Edited by Duster on 04-07-2001 at 02:11 PM]

If you provide name servers at all as a host, you are compelled to register them with nsiregistry.com (Verisign Global Registry) or they don't work too well...

If you know how I can escape that, tell me immediately...

However, if a customer wants to use name servers which the Network Solutions 'registrar' division (which is different from the nsiregistry.com division for some warped reason) has not updated its info in line with real time, then nothing can happen...

If you can show me how to AVOID this problem rather than have to try to SOLVE it, and the 9 other similar one's I have, please help..

The actual registrar you use is irrelevant unfortunately, so we need a commando raid and coup to deliver the domains 'back to the people' heh heh

Hi Dude :D

Hey Dudette.. :)

You caught me 'grumbling peevishly' heh heh heh

Long winded. I think ii's too early in the norning to read this stuff.
Netsol is inept and corrupt... Thats pretty much it.

Did anyone get this far? WTF?

Another concern of the internet community is the agreement's subtle addition of charges based upon sub-domains. At present, charges are made per domain so that registering http://www.microsoft.com results in a single charge.

Under the new proposals, charges could be levied for http://www.microsoft.com and then also for additional sub-domains such as corporate.microsoft.com and research.microsoft.com.

This could bankrupt web hosting companies that offer free web space under the designation username.hostingcompany.com, which could face a charge based upon thousands of sub-domains.

That's a giant load of tan colored material. Im begining to feel I need to carry soap on a rope everytime I get near NSI.

Originally posted by Chicken
Did anyone get this far? WTF?

Another concern of the internet community is the agreement's subtle addition of charges based upon sub-domains. At present, charges are made per domain so that registering http://www.microsoft.com results in a single charge.

Under the new proposals, charges could be levied for http://www.microsoft.com and then also for additional sub-domains such as corporate.microsoft.com and research.microsoft.com.

This could bankrupt web hosting companies that offer free web space under the designation username.hostingcompany.com, which could face a charge based upon thousands of sub-domains.



Precisely my point.

This is a great example why all those 'cool' people who deny that we as a race are subject to or capable of global conspiracies, are either naive or involved.

Remember, there's no mafia. :eek:

This is being driven from the back seat.

I intend to actively support guys like http://www.name-space.com , who, if nothing else, provide a possible means of levelling the playing field, regardless of their financial motivations or needs.

Another I found was http://www.box.hm (Heard/McDonald Is) but he's temporarily 'sans web site'.

The 'non-NSI' root zone which includes the legacy as well as this groups hopefuls is regularly updated here;

http://namespace.org/admin/root.zone

NOTE:
This is not an ad, but I have watched these guys with interest since it was pgmedia, I think, and I have no financial or other interest at all.

So to put my money where my mouth is, I'm going to experiment and set up a server specifically for non NSI root zone and provide what will be little more than an 'intranet' to begin with but will be a base to work on options should these germs decide to become draconian as well as incompetent (and bill us for sub-domains!!??), OR worse.

Anybody wants to play around with it, let me know... you're welcome... abuse and ridicule should be exhausted in this thread if possible, while I'm in a frame of mind to cope with it. :wavey:

Cheers..

Think of NS as the child we all created. You must educate them in a parental manner. Here's an idea, (I heard someone did this, but I can't confirm or deny the story... :)
Say you have 15 employees... everyone is ticked off about the way things are done at NS...everyone calls in at different times with ghost domain names screaming and yelling about the dissapearance of their registration, the 4 weeks since they registered and still nothing..the periodic failure of their site, etc.
It does seem quite cruel. However, if we send them in circles enough times they will educate themselves by proxy. If we do not do that, then they will send us running in circles and tearing our hair out. I wish everyone in this industry would pick a day and post it. We could all swamp them with tech support calls, and customer service calls. It would take a couple of days... But even NS would figure out that they have made a lot of unhappy folks out here........

It's no wonder NSI has lost so much market share (down to 52%). It's not just about price, either. They are bumbling incompetents.

I have a few clients that still have their domains registered with NSI. I won't have many left by the end of the week, though. I am making a concerted effort to switch them over to OpenSRS via 000domains.

The NSI system makes people jump through hoops to try to get things changed. I've got one client whose primary domain expires April 29 and we need to get the e-mail address changed. Even though they are on password authentication, changes could not be made unless an e-mail message was received. I thought the "can't transfer within last 4 days of expiration" clause was in effect, which would have meant the e-mail address would have to be changed by tomorrow so the transfer could be effected. Time was short and there was none to waste. ( I checked a few minutes ago and it is now up to the last day, whew!)

The alternative is to fax a letter of authorization on company letterhead, proof of identification (like a photocopy of a driver license), and a utility bill or something that indicates the adress is the same as the one on record.

NSI does have an online wizard to generate the authorization letter, and it prints the fax number at the top of it.

The fax number doesn't work.

My client (and friends) notified me that the fax number was not asnwering. I called NSI and was told that number hasn't been used for some time. It did not surprise me. I laughed.

I was given another fax number, called my client and advised them to fax the documents there. They called me back a few minutes alter to advise that number didn't work either. They got a message that said "Error 53, you will be disconnected now"

That didn't surprise me either. I called NSI again, got the same pleasant young lady, explained the situation and that time was critical. She gave me a third number and said they donlt generally give it out. I thanked her and hung up.

I called my client and gave them the new number,and that hopefully the third time was the charm. They called me back and said it wasn't answering. This was now about 4 pm, maybe a bit later. I advised them to try again for 10 minutes as maybe it was just too busy.

About a half hour went by and I was concerned. Finally, they called and said it went through.

I then sent a message to the remainder of my NSI clients with the working fax number.

BY the end of this week, I won't have many left whose domains are still at NSI. They are one of the worst and should not be entrusted with anything so important as domain registrations