Does anyone know what the cheapest bandwith costs are?

I already know Cogent, but besides them. What is the lowest rate on the street.

Company and Price would be good.

Joe

I believe bandwidth gets cheaper as you purchase very large block of bandwidth(like 1000GB+ per month).

Your best bet is to shop around, and let bandwdith providers know you are shopping so they will give you the best deal.

You also will generally get better prices from Tier 2 providers.

I think 1.5$/GB is good price, you can get that at efreeservers.com (and others) , and I think I heard pwebtech.com is going for 0.6$/GB (in 1000GB blocks) starting within some months.
The average is about 2-3$ I think.

I am aware of how it works. Obviously buy more pay less.

We are getting quotes at around $.94 on 10mbps, and .79 on 100mbps

I am just trying to get an idea of what others are getting quotes at.

I also know Cogent is the cheapest, but there network is very week.

Joe

Joe,

Can you clarify, are you looking for Data Center space, or a physical connection (T3/OC#)?

We are taking a tour of Colo.com on Tuesday of next week, with Yipes.

We are getting a cage in Colo.com and buying bandwith.

I was price quotes from UUnet, Savvis, and Yipes, and just seeing whats the cheapest prices around.

Obviously cheap is not always the best. Cogent shows good representation of that comment, but we are launching a rather large marketing compaign, and want to provide our customers with superior technology.

So I figured go to this board and see whats the price points on the current market.

Joe

Have you considered Dtwebworks? Charles has a really good deal:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=7624

Might be worth checking out.

Nothing against Charles, he probably has some good products, but what we are doing is alot more cost effective then, what his prices are.

We are getting a 10x10 cage to start at Colo.com.

We need about 8 Racks right out of the gate.

We also need burstable bandwith into the OC 12 range.

We also need about 6 Class C IP licenses. Just so everyone knows, IP addresses are free, why would I pay $2 for them.

If I needed one rack, I would say great, not a bad deal, but we need alot of expandability.

This doesnt work for us, @ dtwebworks.com. Our business plan is based on carrier neutral facilities, giving us multiple options for redundancy.

Joe

Originally posted by JBIZ718
We also need about 6 Class C IP licenses. Just so everyone knows, IP addresses are free, why would I pay $2 for them.


Actually, ARIN does charge a membership fee based on the size of the address space allocated to an ISP. It's minimal in comparison to the fees many providers charge, but it's still not free.

http://www.arin.net/regserv/feeschedule.html

Well for me there free. Most companies charge alot for a IP.

Thanks though

Joe

Jbizz please enable your email in your profile so I can email you.

And too clear something up, with the partner deal all IP's are free.

Joe,

Most carrier class Colo providers will provide you IP addreses free of charge, assuming you can justify them, so you should not have to pay for them.

However, IP addresses are not free. If you were to get a portable block of IP addresses from ARIN it would cost $2500 a year, plus $500 for an ASN. Of course need to get a lot more IP than 6 class Cs (they require a minimum /20 justification). Your carrier builds the cost of the class Cs into your business model. Or, they charge extra to discourage you from requesting more unnecessarily.

I also don't think you have plotted out your IP allocation properly. We put about 30 servers in a Rack and use almost 2 Class C's per Rack (allocate 8 automatically, and customers can justify higher amounts, most do). So I don't think 6 Class Cs is enough for 8 Racks (unless you are using non-1U servers).

I'm also not sure why you think you need an OC12 based on your model. With 30 servers in a Rack we average about 5 Megs of sustained bandwidth per Rack. With 8 Racks, an OC3 should be more than adequate.

Also, if you are going to setup with an OC12 make sure your rotuers/switches all have Gigabit ports on them.

Thanks for the info.

Yipes will provide us with all of the IP's free of charge.

One of the coolest things about Yipes/Colo.com is that we dont need a router. We will be using HP 4000M switches, and or Intel Switches.

Our new website that is being launched will let customers design there own server.

In regards to colocation, they will also be able to custimize there space needed.

We will be using mostly Dell servers, as we have a soon to be partnership with them.

The router being used from Yipes will be Extreme Networks Black Diamond.

We are taking early measures, and early predictions, before we launch. One of the divisions handles adult sites, and with that being in mind, we need heavy bandwith for some of these racks.

Joe

Originally posted by JBIZ718

The router being used from Yipes will be Extreme Networks Black Diamond.


One correction the Black Diamond is a Switch, not a router:

http://www.extremenetworks.com/products/datasheets/bd.asp

Its a nice switch...but I still prefer the Cisco 6509s :)

If you are going to host wiht Colo.com, you also may want to look into Telseon:

http://www.telseon.com/

They provide bandwidth to some colo.com data centers, and seem to have the same setup as Yipes! Of course, the same disclaimers I would make about Yipes! I would make about them :)

I am aware of them.

See yipes has alot peering points ready to go. Weve seen the yipes gaurentee, and its quite solid.

In regards to the switch. That switch is rated just as good as Cisco's if not better. Your looking at some high quality switches.

We might use them for redundancy though. I mean if its free for a year, why not.

Overall I will be meeting with Yipes and Colo.com on Tuesday of next week. We like the fact that our servers are in Chicago, by us. If everything goes well, we can really have a strong presence getting into the MSP market.

Joe

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[Edited by Chicken on 04-05-2001 at 12:46 AM]

In regards to Chicago, i dont think your there.

We are looking for cages, and space. Who are your backbone providers. How many peering points do you have. Whats the latency at. Whats your gaurentee.

With Yipes and Colo.com we have a incredable solution, not to advertise for them. One being in chicago that helps. Two Colo.com being neutral we have multiple options for redundancy. Three yipes has agreements with:

UUnet
Genuity
Qwest
Savvis
Cable and Wireless

For peering, those companies have invested in Yipes.

Ive seen your site and not to shut you down, but Im not a big fan of that model. I can at will go from a 10mbps to 100mbps through yipes within 5 hours if not less. I dont like paying for blocks of bandwith.

Thats just me, but your facility is the last place we would run our business from.

Joe

JBIZ718, does HE have any NOC around your area?

cheers,
:beer:

No he doesnt

Joe

Just to clear up a matter colo.com and others like it are not hosting companies. They are Neutral Fiberobtic Facilities.

There is a huge difference. Im not sure if its been said, be we are our own hosting company. We are looking to lease space in a facility like colo.com and or colo.com. The idea of this post was to get an idea of bandwith costs. We are looking at Yipes and leaning there way. We are also looking at telson maybe for redundancy.

But we are trying to get an idea of bandwith costs around the country to help us as well as others. We feel its good to get an idea of a very important aspect of hosting, being bandwith.

Thanks for all your help so far, just figured to clear that up.

Joe

JUst curios but what does yikes bandwidth go for anyways...

From their FAQ:

g. What is the pricing for this service?
Our pricing is determined by the specific service that is right for your business. Please fill out this form and we will have a sales person contact you within three business days to better understand your needs.

I don't know, I have a problem with a company that is going to take 3 days to respond when I am trying to give them my money :).

It depends on what there doing.

For us its going to break down to around 94 cents a gb, and will go lower, with more bandwith purchased.

One thing that I like is that they bring in there equipment.

It makes it easy when your not spending tons of money on hardware.

Joe

Joe,

Yipes! sells their bandwidth by data transfer? Most backbone companies sell bandwidth, as I am sure you know, in megabit in increments, ie: 1.5 Megabit, 10 Megabit etc.

Does Yipes! have a different business model?

No Yipes does sell in blocks of MBPS

I was just explaining my costs.

They are just like the other ones.

Joe

Originally posted by JBIZ718
No Yipes does sell in blocks of MBPS


So, what is the retail cost on a 10 meg connection?

It depends on location.

For me its between 3-4k.

For an office, im not sure.

There already located in colo.com , so all they have to do is run a cross connect, and where up.

Joe

Actually the Extreme Switches are blurring the line between routers and switches.

Have you ever heard of a switch that can route between subnets? :-)

Oh, and extreme runs CIRCLES around Cisco. When dealing with Ethernet in a datacenter environment, extreme is _the_ way to go.

Cheers,

Raj

Originally posted by uuallan
Originally posted by JBIZ718

The router being used from Yipes will be Extreme Networks Black Diamond.


One correction the Black Diamond is a Switch, not a router:

http://www.extremenetworks.com/products/datasheets/bd.asp

Its a nice switch...but I still prefer the Cisco 6509s :)

Carriers are going to be selling you IP transit in Mbits not Gigabytes. (and they are probably going to billing you at 95th percentile)

So when you say 0.94$ per Gigabyte on a 10Mbit connection, how many Gigabytes are you counting on?

Are you factoring in normal daily peak traffic? You do realise that you're going to get a _lot_ less than 300GB per Mbit.

Cheers,

Raj Dutt

Originally posted by JBIZ718
I am aware of how it works. Obviously buy more pay less.

We are getting quotes at around $.94 on 10mbps, and .79 on 100mbps

I am just trying to get an idea of what others are getting quotes at.

I also know Cogent is the cheapest, but there network is very week.

Joe

10Mbit connections, from reputable providers, will range anywhere from $3000 (on the low end) to $8000.

Providers such as Level3 will be able to come in at or less than $2500. Other providers such as Abovenet and Internap will laugh if you expect them to match that price.

To a point, you _do_ get what you pay for.

Originally posted by uuallan

So, what is the retail cost on a 10 meg connection?

FYI, Telson is running a promotion where they will give you a free 10MBit cross connect (no IP transit) till December. After that you can expect to pay about $1000 per month for the 10Mbit cross connect.

But if you're in Colo.com or Equinix, why do you need to even deal with Telson? Don't multiple carriers compete for IP transit within the facility?

Originally posted by JBIZ718
We are also looking at telson maybe for redundancy.

Originally posted by nopzor
Actually the Extreme Switches are blurring the line between routers and switches.

Have you ever heard of a switch that can route between subnets? :-)

Oh, and extreme runs CIRCLES around Cisco. When dealing with Ethernet in a datacenter environment, extreme is _the_ way to go.


Not just Extreme, the 6509 has a really nice router card available, and can route between subnets -- in fact with an MFST2 card it can handle up to 256 VLANs :D.

I don't know, I've seen the Black Diamond and the 6509s go head to head, and on the surface you are right, but I've seen some bugs come up in the Black Diamond that scare me (of course we don't have to worry about it, we're not pushing enough traffic to justify either :)).

uullan,

IIRC the extreme can do 4096 VLANs. Crazy stuff. It's also a _full_ layer 3 switch (and not a layer2 with a kludge add on).

What sort of bugs have you found in the Extreme? I'm curious.

Now its been a while (almost a year), so they may have been fixed, but my last test at my previous job was to help with an evaluation of the Black Diamond. The switch had great speed, and a high number of VLANs (thoguh, I don't think it was as high as 4096 -- might have been an early release of the code). We ran into some problems with their BGP and OSPF implementations. I don't remember the exact details...but with a certain series of events you could cause your entire network to shut down :D. Which was deemed bad :D. Although, as I said. I believe this has been fixed, because I know my old company deployed them in some of their data centers (or is planning to...they move very slowly).

We think Yipes will probably be the best bet in the facility.

There are some other great companies, but yipes brings alot to the table.

In regards to prices, its a lot different when your in a neutral facility. See there already there, so its not hard and doesnt cost them that much, its a simple cross connect.

Prices are alot different in these facilities.
Joe