Read this amazing bull**** story:

****** has secured 4th NOC in London then Japan.

****** hosted 240,000 domains


Blah blah ... believe this?

check: http://www.webhostmagazine.com/wh/Story.asp?StoryID=28&Show=1&Page=1

So what? You hate them, we get it. Unless you can point out something they are doing wrong, why do you bring it up?

simple is that, I cna hell speak whatever I want

Just to share the news

Thx

Why wouldn't CI bring new customers they have the money,the fame established NOCs in Japan and London local NOCs which countries prefer.

Originally posted by mrfunnyman
Why wouldn't CI bring new customers they have the money,the fame established NOCs in Japan and London local NOCs which countries prefer.

Uh, What?

I think what he means is that with the new facilities opening up in those areas CI is trying to gain the interest of the locals. I would say a good chunk of people who are looking for a host for the first time.. the newbie shopper... look for two things.

1. Size, ***** is a larger company regardless of how they run things. This will attract more 'newbie' customers.

2. Locality, a lot of patriotic citizens tend to want to keep money in their local or nationwide economies. Opening a NOC in their area might fool them into thinking the money actually stays there.

Regards,

Mike

Wow, what an expose. Great, now they can screw clients internationally too. Like someone said in a review of the company, they are "100% marketing, 0% support." So what, Peeps? I'll tell you what. The way they hurt their customers is wrong, it's unethical, and their track record is so poor, the BBB cautions against doing business with them. THAT's what.

And they continue buying people and companies off, making promises they have no intentions of keeping -- promises of great support, great service, superior NOCs, etc. etc. Why don't they take that money and sink it into their hardware, connections, software and support staff? As their service stinks on all four levels, they surely could use the cash infusion the whole way 'round.

I have posted a ***** links page on my website but I am worried it would be construed as advertising because the page also has a link to my own webhosting services. So allow me to mention another site:

http://badwebhost.com

...this site is also about *****, and in addition to a link to my page, they have links to a lot of other pages and sites geared toward ***** victims.


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Is it me, or is the picture in that article reminiscent of Eddie Munster? Good heavens, I thought the company was run by an adult, I am a GenXer and here the kid looks old enough to be my illegitimate son.

(Thank heavens I never had any of those, so there's no worries to that end...) :D
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:P

:D Bailey

Originally posted by baileysemt123
...
Is it me, or is the picture in that article reminiscent of Eddie Munster?
...
LOL!!!

Originally posted by IntelligentHosting.com
Originally posted by baileysemt123
...
Is it me, or is the picture in that article reminiscent of Eddie Munster?
...
LOL!!!

He appears to be very young. He appears to be not a "Man" but a boy. :D His face reminds me a pig rather than the charm of a man :D

I love the article at webhosting magazine:

http://www.webhostmagazine.com/wh/Story.asp?StoryID=28&Show=1&Page=2

"Today, using automation and proprietary configuration software, it takes less than 30 seconds from the time the client submits the order to the time the client receives the
welcome package via email. The new instant setup is available to all new and existingcustomers, re-sellers and dedicated server clients."

HAHAHAHAHA....they did it cause it would take them up to a week to set up an account and people were closing accounts....... they need to invest in the accounting department who does everything with paper and pencils, no joke!!!!


I love this site: http://badwebhost.com

You gotta know your company sucks when your bad name is all over the web, people dont even complain about big companies like GE and AT&T like they complain about *****, its so hysterical..... LOL.....

Only 3 reasons why ***** is sorta big:

a) they have serious problems with overcharging and mis-charging customers credit cards (which has been made clear over and over again throughout this site)

b) they advertise EVERYWHERE (except Webhosting Mag, I wonder if had to do with the bad article about them a few month back?..hmmm)

c) they buy rankings (as other hosts do)


Their popularity is not based on service or quality.

Bailey: And again I say, so what? People are going to get burned by *****, PageCreators/TrinityHost, TrueHosting/DotComAvenue/ExpertHosting, and so on, because they do not do their homework. I feel sorry for them, I really do. But if they can't be bothered to check the BBB alerts for *****, GalaxyWeb, or can't be bothered to look at the numerous pages out there that detail horrible hosts, or can't be bothered to do a newsgroup search on their prospective host, they can't be helped by useless messages like the one that started this thread either. So they are opening new NOCs. Who cares? Unless someone with enough cajones goes after them for their actions regarding hosting, or until you can reach those millions of people that don't have web sites but that are considering ***** or any other company that really stinks, simply complaining about it does nothing worthwhile for anyone.

Originally posted by Peeps
Bailey: And again I say, so what? People are going to get burned by *****, PageCreators/TrinityHost, TrueHosting/DotComAvenue/ExpertHosting, and so on, because they do not do their homework. I feel sorry for them, I really do. But if they can't be bothered to check the BBB alerts for *****, GalaxyWeb, or can't be bothered to look at the numerous pages out there that detail horrible hosts, or can't be bothered to do a newsgroup search on their prospective host, they can't be helped by useless messages like the one that started this thread either. So they are opening new NOCs. Who cares? Unless someone with enough cajones goes after them for their actions regarding hosting, or until you can reach those millions of people that don't have web sites but that are considering ***** or any other company that really stinks, simply complaining about it does nothing worthwhile for anyone.

Complaining about it in posts like these is visible to newbies who browse these boards. If this post helps just ONE newbie to stay away from ***** then I think it was worth it. It's been proven over and over again (as mentioned by you as well) that newbies don't do their research. They don't use the "search" function on this board, BUT they do browse and they will see this post.

But I do agree with you Peeps that it does get bothersome reading about them. So just skip over these posts, as I usually do.

tabernack, I understand. But these threads die out very quickly. Newbies don't search. They typically post a message asking about company xyz, which is a perfect time for those people to crawl out of the woodwork and post their horror stories or links to the many pages out there with others' horror stories. Or even better, links to any BBB warnings that might exist. The post that started this thread, besides being incoherent, does absolutely zero in informative terms. If he hates *****, let him go start a page somewhere and then post the URL in response to newbie questions. Easy. Elegant, even. I do tend to skip quite a few threads, because the topic starter is someone I have no interest reading, or the subject does not interest me. But I do pop in from time to time on ambiguously-titled threads like this one. Shame that the signal to noise ratio is what it is here.

True! This post was more of a "General Conversation" type of post and maybe should have been posted there.

But what would we post about if we didn't post about *****, lol :D

*looks around*

For a bunch of people who don't care, there's sure a lot of responses to the post.

~~~

I do care. Complaining? Hardly. I did something about it, and I continue to. I don't have cajones by birth, but Eddie Munster doesn't scare me.

If Deb Suran posted to this thread, would you consider her a complainer too?

*rolls eyes*

I appreciated the link to the article. It provided me with the information that WH mag is just as crooked as the rest of the sites out there, which I hadn't realized until now. I'll think twice before giving them sizable credit for anything... or at least drench their material in salt.

Thanks for the info, and for the update on *****'s latest ridiculous adventures.

:D Bailey

Speak of the devil... <g>

Dishonest hosts will always be the subjects of new discussions here, regardless of how often they've been discussed in the past, and those of us who have been badly burned by a particular host will always be the first to warn people away. Why? Because neophyte webmasters don't know enough to search this forum (if they're even lucky enough to stumble on this or any other forum), won't understand how all those cussed "ratings" sites actually function, and NEED information from those of us who have been hosted by a particular company. Not from those who have heard this or that about a host, but current and former customers.

No one who hasn't been hosted by ***** can fully appreciate their incompetence. No one who hasn't been threatened with a lawsuit by ***** can fully comprehend their arrogance. No one who hasn't been falsely accused of "attempting to extort monies" from ***** in a public document will be as justifiably angry as I am when I see all the crap they pull. They should have been shut down and the CEO jailed for fraud long ago.

Here's the BBB report (http://www.fortworth.bbb.org/report.html?recordid=98080001) on *****. "This firm first came to our attention in August 1998." That was my complaint, and the one to which their lawyer, Carol Faulkner (the CEO's mother) resonded by falsely accusing me of a felony. 'Nuf said.

I have 6 client hosted with *****. To tell you the truth, their services is very bad, the billing department never replay to you, and the support they rarely replay, most of the time with the wrong answers just to close your Ticket monster,

Try their technical support, the reseller support, and the dedicated phone numbers that they give you, all of them are busy all the time, and they really screw us.

Few months ago all our e-mail and information have been hacked and we had received e-mails from other hosting company telling us how bad ***** are.

This is part of what I received:

***** has repeatedly made bludners which have left customer data
accessible to anyone, including credit card details. A few instances have
been reported in the online press: http://www.msnbc.com/news/360102.asp

For more information and complaints from ***** customers see the below
links. You can add your complaints to most of these sites (the bottom link
is especially interesting and informative). We have not produced any of
these pages, they come from independent companies and individuals who have
spoken out against the awful "service" being provided by *****.

A page listing over 20 different people's reviews of *****. The average
"rating" is 1 out of 10!
http://www.webhosters.com/web_host_feedback/customer_reviews/index.html?comp
any_id=3&option=Display+Reviews

A web page listing more complaints by ***** customers:
http://www.dogvox.com/*****.htm

A page containing a copy of a petition for class-action status in a lawsuit
against *****:
http://www.evolvedsites.com/cipetition.html

A small site with contributions from unhappy ***** customers:
http://www.atrium.com/*****sucks.html

Of special and very interesting note on that site is the following page:
http://www.atrium.com/ex*****hell.html
It was written by a former employee and makes for interesting reading as to
the truth behind the company.

Looks like the last 2 links have been removed. Wonder why?

Oh, and check this out http://*****.com/?zone=press/2001/delta_airlines

I'll make sure to never fly Delta Airlines now for fear of nausea :D

Of special and very interesting note on that site is the following page:
http://www.atrium.com/ex*****hell.html
It was written by a former employee and makes for interesting reading as to
the truth behind the company.



Kate, this link isnt working. Has anyone read the article or know where we can see it?

They are investing so much in advertising instead of in things like customer service and tech support.

They are smart though, they are reaching into the marketplace and advertising, not too many hosts are doing that in the general media environment.

Bailey, you could have known that whmag was as bad as those so-called "review" sites just by looking at the contents of their magazine. I do not consider Deb a "complainer", no. Why? Because she responds to general inquiries regarding *****. She does not start useless threads just because she can't stand *****. She does post in a coherent manner. None of that applies to the starter of this thread. He just wanted to moan about *****, which is fine - but at least he could have had the decency to title it something less ambiguous so that those of us who aren't interested in just another whine about ***** from someone who has done nothing to try and combat them could have skipped it. Replies to newbies in answer to questions about less reputable hosts are always welcome, in my book. Helps keep some of the trash at bay, even if it's just in this little part of the world.

*takes long, deep breath*

Peeps, I am not sure what your beef is with the poster of this thread, but perhaps it would be more appropriate to take the issue to personal mail> with him/her. Attacking the general interests of a number of members on the board is not the most constructive way to discredit a particular poster.

(1) The title of the thread is not ambiguous. "***** has expanded more..." is pretty darn specific. A person not interested in reading about *****'s expansion should skip it over and move on to something else.

(2) You specifically asked what was wrong with what ***** was doing. I specifically told you what was wrong with it, positions that are repeated ad nauseum by hundreds of other people on the internet and even the BBB.

You then called this response, for which you asked, "complaining." ????? huh ????? I am not sure what exactly you're trying to get at. If you don't want a response, don't ask for it. If you don't like the topic or your tired of reading about *****'s fiascos, skip over the ***** threads. Nobody's forcing you to read them.

Everyone fights ***** in their own way. The thread poster did it by keeping the rest of us informed about what the company is up to. "The best way to beat the competition is to know them inside & out." Then you know the weak spots and you're prepared to plan for issues that might lie down the road -- and make the best of them. Personally, I have a ***** Former Customer Support page on my site; Deb has an OUTSTANDING site dedicated to picking a good host... everybody does it in their own way. I never saw the article in question before and had no idea what ***** was up to prior to reading this post.

I think it's great that you're very smart and on top of the game. Not everyone is as blessed and fortunate as you. Please give us a hand and help us better the web hosting business through education and client support, instead of cursing those of us who are working hard to both prevent bad user experiences, and clean up after the bad web hosts. It's really contradictory to even the purpose of this board, and to our personal efforts.

And for what it's worth, I am sorry I was so upset in my initial response to your post. It was not directed to you personally, obviously I don't know you at all. :) I was just upset that someone would question a negative post about ***** when clearly the company has earned every blemish that consumers can throw in their direction. I am sorry if my tone was taken the wrong way.

:D Bailey

I have actually heard that CWI Hosting owns *****ing, or maybe it's the other way around. Don't know for sure. Can anyone verify this? If so, it would deffinately explain my experience with CWI. hehe.

Chuck
http://www.acnshosting.com
http://www.acnsnet.com

*****.com also owns the domain name cwihost.com, which loads the *****.com homepage.

cwihosting.com is a different company (hosted by rackspace), but has a very bad reputation on forums like these and is on my "avoid" list as a result (see the last link in my signature).

Bailey, let me try and explain what I mean here.

I did not ask what was wrong with *****. I asked why the original poster bothered to post a link to their press release and why anyone should care about it. I know all about ***** and why they should be avoided. Nor do I mean that you specifically are just complaining and not doing anything - that was a universal "you" aimed at no one in particular (something that I probably should make even more clear than it appears to be to me, since many of the regulars of this forum seem so ready to take offense at every little word). I don't have a particular beef with the original poster, except in that if he hates ***** so much, he should do something constructive instead of preaching to the converted.

"***** has expanded more", followed by a comment like "Read this amazing bull**** story" means nothing. In fact, all it is is another avenue (free!) for ***** to get their name out there. My followup remains: so what? So they've expanded, who cares? Despite any of their other actions, it is not a crime for companies, even bad ones, to expand or reach out overseas. How can it possibly be BS if it is a fact that ***** is actually opening another NOC and do actually host tens of thousands of domains? The rest of it is just PR, probably written by some marketeer. Why does anyone care? Just because they stink? The original poster knows they stink, or else he would never have called it BS in the first place. In fact, given the brevity of the message, it probably just looks like sour grapes to any newbie surfers. We all know that people always think bigger must be better. Posting something like this is useless, and how ironic that the original poster is so intent on sharing *****'s PR releases without them paying him to do it. This PR does not mean ***** is "up to" anything. They are going about their business, as they should.

Here's the flip side: people like Kate pop in and post something that is actually useful. It would have been more useful had the original question been "What does everyone think of *****". It certainly would have served a purpose then to try and steer newbies away from a bad company, since they usually don't bother to search before asking.

This is the point, and I know it probably won't go well with the general mindset that I've observed runs rampant here in this forum: people need to stop and think for a moment before they post. What purpose does their thread serve? Have they made their point in a way that people can understand immediately what their viewpoint is? Is it coherent (that is, does it have a point)? Would it be better suited to rant and rave about a known bad host's press releases or expansion plans in the general area instead of here? Especially considering that the original poster knows they stink, and especially considering that all he did basically was complain that they are expanding and provide a link to a PR? Things like that do not get peoples' attention. A better thread would be "Review of *****" or something similar, with concrete reasons why the poster feels as he does, instead of calling into question the veracity of the two main points of that PR.

The value of a forum lies in its ability to disseminate information to its visitors as clearly as possible, while providing avenues for chit chat and the like in order to build a community. The most effective forums I've seen are filled with those people who understand the value words can have and also understand that the image they present when posting makes a very big difference in the way others perceive what they have to say (another basic concept that some people here have a hard time understanding). This is not to say there is no room for general silliness. It is, though, a reason that some forums are frequented less and less by people who used to be regulars but are no more, including this one, which has seen quite a few regulars leave: the ratio of clique-ish chat to actual informative, interesting posts worsens as time goes by unless people make the effort to understand what virtual communities should be.

Thanks for the info Deb.

I found out the hard way about CWI. hehe. It wasn't until I was doing this for a while that I found this forum. Funny thing is. It's like a friggin religion now. hehe.

chuck

We just got back from ISPCON in Baltimore, which should be more appropriately named, CICON.

The whole show was plastered with ***** advertising, which even included a truck with a CI billboard on the back, driving round the outside of the convention centre!

After all their bad PR the level of attention the were getting from visitors was unbelievable, everyone you met had a damn CI sticker on their shirts!!!

...... what a PR machine ...........



:D Bailey

Glad I missed that one :) Really they are quite good at the marketing end of things. I don't think anyone would argue that, heh.

JamesCross,

Do you mean ***** adversite everywhere at ISPCON? That's really amazing...

You know I met the CEO, he was the most a**hole ever I seen

***** stickers was on the shirts, then seems like they gave out free stickers eh?

What the visitors felt about this? I wish I was there!!!

Yeah they sure know how to "market" things. I found it interesting to read in their handouts that they had been won awards from our site. It was even displayed on a testamonials board at the front of their stand.

The truth is, they did win awards late in 1999. Anyone giving them an award since December 1999:

webhostmagazine.com
webhostingmagazine.com
verihost.com

has to be a fool! or has their head buried in the sand, or has CEO Chris Faulkners check book in their pocket ;-)

JamesCross,

Yeah, they post all awards icons on all thier pages and most of them are outdated even way back from 1999 not 2001

How they become rich? Overcharging customers credit cards, that's how happened.

When I met CEO Chris Faunlker and gave me the tour of the ***** building, I was impressed how much they invested to make the the most fancy NOC ever I seen but they invest too much on mostly Adversiting everywhere and trying to look good but they suck anwyay...

You know the rumors, his wife is a lawyer so I met her and she was so ugly and I don't even like her at all. I dont like Chris either. Met some staff, some are cool and some are a**hole though.

Tell me, which is the best booth stand at ISPCON? It will be nice if VDI has a booth, if they already did, then they are #1, period :D

Later!

Has anyone of you ever used ***** before bitching?

Yes. And as a former customer let me say that they deserve every bit of bad press they get, here and elsewhere.

And I'll second Deb...

... do a search (upper right of your screen) and you will find out who's used *****'s services. Many of us have posted our story here at one time or another.

And yes, I was a customer for quite some time. Then I wised up and got the heck outta there!

All in favor, say aye... "AYE!"
Motion carries: ***** Bites. :) :) :) :)

:D Bailey

:smash:

***** never, ever reply to my mails. I wrote through their online contact form (which does not even get submitted - it just comes back with a blank form when you click submit!).

So I wrote to their sales@*****.com email address. After a month some guy replied without any answers.

Is that stupid or what! I'd think twice before even signing up with them!

Wow ... it looks like ***** is pretty hated on here... I don't hate them but had a bad enough experience to make me switch ... after reading this board for a while it looks like i made the right choice :angry:

"Hated" would be a MAJOR understatement, I can think of far worse words that I could not even begin to quote here...

Maybe i should purchase www.*****-sucks.com

id have to have the dash because it looks like ***** have already admitted they suck and purchased the domain!

Registrant:
***** (*****SUCKS4-DOM)
1851 Central Drive #110
Bedford, TX 76021
US

Domain Name: *****SUCKS.COM

:D :D :D