Hello,

I've been wondering why my website design has been doing this for some time now. When you first load the page, it loads with a small amount of white space next to the scroll bar. I use a colored scroll bar to match the color of my site so the white space is a bit tacky. If I refresh my browser, the site lines up flush with the scroll bar. Anything I am overlooking??

I have moved a sample page w/o logos to another domain to avoid advertising at http://www.elementsofcreation.com/test.htm

Any ideas? :)

Thanks,

Mike

Err, I can't see any problem with that page (except for the obvious fact that there isn't any content).

Maybe the problem was with something you removed?

Hmm, that's odd. I just tried it again and same thing, first time it loads there is a white space about a quarter of an inch next to the scroll bar. When I refresh the page, the site is flush with the scroll bar.

What browser and version number are you using? I am using IE 5.5 and I have had the same results on another computer with IE 5.0.

I'm using IE 5.01 SP2 on Windows 2000 SP1 at 1280x1024 resolution. The only white space is in the middle of the page.

Originally posted by cperciva
I'm using IE 5.01 SP2 on Windows 2000 SP1 at 1280x1024 resolution. The only white space is in the middle of the page.

1280x1024 resolution? What are you, an eagle, or do you just have a large monitor?

1280x1024 is a nice res, that's what I run. 21" .25dp Jean Monitor (it's a cheapie but I've been very happy).

One of these days I want to get a Matrox card with 4 heads and 4 21" screens and enjoy a very very nice desktop to work with :) :)

I have a 17" monitor, and no, my eyesight isn't particularly good (not exceptionally bad, but I have to wear glasses in order to legally drive).

The resolution helps when I've got several windows open at once -- especially when I'm coding in C in one or more of them, since having long lines wrapped or partially nonvisible really irrtates me.

Yeah, yeah.. okay, okay... I admit it, I'm on a cheap ass 14" monitor. At least it supports true color, and that's good enough. I had a hard enough time changing from 640x480 a while ago. Over 800x600, as you can imagine, on a 14" is a bit too small. One day, when I rule the world...

Originally posted by Tim_Greer
Yeah, yeah.. okay, okay... I admit it, I'm on a cheap ass 14" monitor.

Well, until a couple years ago I was still using the 13" 640x480 monitor I got back with my 386sx -- back when 386s and VGA monitors were the best there were available. That monitor is still in use too -- albeit only once every few months -- on our OpenBSD NAT firewall.

Erm, does this have anything to do with Phiberop's original question?

Had a look with IE 5.00.3105.0106 (although I thought I'd upgraded to 5.01) and Netscape 6.01 - page looked the same and no "white space" by scrollbar, on loading. Maybe it loaded too fast? ;)

With Netscape 4.72, the background images do not lineup correctly (on the left-hand side) but I presume you are not coding for Netscape 4.x.

I was using Win 95 0SR2 wit a 1024x768 res. set at large fonts.

Noticed you are using a "height" attribute in your TABLE tag -- were you aware there is no such attribute?

Originally posted by cperciva
Originally posted by Tim_Greer
Yeah, yeah.. okay, okay... I admit it, I'm on a cheap ass 14" monitor.

Well, until a couple years ago I was still using the 13" 640x480 monitor I got back with my 386sx -- back when 386s and VGA monitors were the best there were available. That monitor is still in use too -- albeit only once every few months -- on our OpenBSD NAT firewall.

Erm, does this have anything to do with Phiberop's original question?


First of all, no, this has nothing to do with Phiberop's original question, he's old news... we've moved on! Phiberop has ran off with a belly dancer from the South Bronx and swore to bury all our heads in a large vat of rancid mustard when he returns... so I've been avoiding it.

If it makes you feel any better about your past horror story, this monitor is about 6 or 7 years old. Also, I still use 386's on my home network for BSD and Linux systems. Really though, why would I need anything higher than a 100 MHZ CPU with 16 to 32 megs RAM? :-) Of course, I have smaller systems that work too, and I have larger one's, P120's, P200, P233, P266 MHZ systems, with anywhere from 12 to 42 megs RAM. Then, I have my main system, which is an NT server that also boots into various *BSD and Linux platforms (with about 20 partitions on each drive), that consists of an AMD K6 266 MHZ CPU and 64 Megs RAM...

My "monster system" which, actually, works very well, and my opinion is, the better it runs on smaller systems, the better it'll run on larger one's... but I'm still stuck on this 14" old monitor... I have to use my wife's system for all the nifty stuff I do with 3d Rendering with Lightwave, etc. Hers is an AMD 3D K3 533 MHZ, a 30 GIG drive with 64 Megs RAM, and I think a 15" or 17" monitor... a 30 GIG drive that's about to be partitioned and sliced to hell and back, that is! I just don't want to buy other systems, when I have large drives for other OS's.. but, I do need a better monitor.. at least *this* one doesn't have images burned into it, like one I gave to someone not too long ago. (Worse yet, the images are from some old Win 3.11 for workgroups desktop someone left on way too long). WHY the story? Why all the information? Well, I needed to share with the group, and ask that someone please, please start a fund for me!!! Do you see how sad it is? :-)

PS: Phiberop, I see a long white table covering the left-ish side of the screen in NetsCrap Communicator 4.76. I reload the page and don't see any difference. I cleared my cache and went back to the page with images, css, JS, java, etc. all enabled and it was the same results, even with a reload. I'm not sure I understand your question or problem, or what you're trying to accomplish?

[Edited by Tim_Greer on 04-02-2001 at 04:27 AM]

Mike,

I'm not getting the white space myself. IE 5.5 800x600 14inch. Running through a Compaq laptop LCD with a Philips' cathode ray as well.

Greg Moore

Originally posted by Website Rob
Had a look with IE 5.00.3105.0106 (although I thought I'd upgraded to 5.01) and Netscape 6.01 - page looked the same and no "white space" by scrollbar, on loading. Maybe it loaded too fast? ;)

With Netscape 4.72, the background images do not lineup correctly (on the left-hand side) but I presume you are not coding for Netscape 4.x.

I was using Win 95 0SR2 wit a 1024x768 res. set at large fonts.

Noticed you are using a "height" attribute in your TABLE tag -- were you aware there is no such attribute?

Haven't even started making things Netscape friendly... oh boy that will be fun. I make everything in FrontPage for the basic layout and weed out the Microsoftisms as needed. Still needs a bit of work yet.

*Reaches for the rancid mustard*

:nuke: WARNING! WARNING! :nuke:

*takes cover*

You're making a Netscape friendly site from a Frontpage creation? Hats off to you friend *lol* I wouldn't have the time or the patience to do that. There's only so many hour in the day a sane man can pick apart 5 layers of nested tables when one will do :)

Gimme Dreamweaver any day...

Greg Moore

I'll have to check out the Dreamweaver demo one of these days. If I like it, I may need to turn my FrontPage CD into a coaster. A few seconds in your microwave makes for a nice decor :)

In the mean time, I'll have to do with what I have :)

I wonder if MS is ever going to add support for the <Monopolise></Monopolise> tag :D

Originally posted by Phiberop
Hello,

I've been wondering why my website design has been doing this for some time now. When you first load the page, it loads with a small amount of white space next to the scroll bar. I use a colored scroll bar to match the color of my site so the white space is a bit tacky. If I refresh my browser, the site lines up flush with the scroll bar. Anything I am overlooking??

I have moved a sample page w/o logos to another domain to avoid advertising at http://www.elementsofcreation.com/test.htm

Any ideas? :)

Thanks,

Mike
This is a bug in MSIE 5.5. I think this only happens when you've got a table that's 100% width, but no content in it. I think if you add some text inside the table the problem will go away.

Muhahahaha!!!!!!

Keep looking at my site my friends!

Soon you ALL will be under MY control!!!!!!

Although I'm not familiar with the <Monopolise></Monopolise> tag, remember to always validate your code/output - with another program. Among all of the IE Browser specific tags, the <Dominatrix>Page will always look good in IE and crappy in any other Browser</Dominatrix> tag, is the least understood. :D

Originally posted by Phiberop
I'll have to check out the Dreamweaver demo one of these days. If I like it, I may need to turn my FrontPage CD into a coaster.

Well if you like Frontpage, try out Dreamweaver. I'm pretty sure you'll be running around squealing and wetting yourself once to get a good look at it :) The first time I used it I was just sitting there with my mouth open drooling at how easy my life had just become...

Greg Moore

Originally posted by akashik
Well if you like Frontpage, try out Dreamweaver. I'm pretty sure you'll be running around squealing and wetting yourself once to get a good look at it :) The first time I used it I was just sitting there with my mouth open drooling at how easy my life had just become...

There comes a time in a computer users life where strange things start to happen... well.... hmm...

Just practice safe computing, ok? :D

hehe,

a little too descriptive huh? :)

Greg Moore