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healthy
03-13-2009, 02:16 AM
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/
I am installing SUGARCRM PHP MYSQL based for customers management
but now I have just seen that it is under the above lincense!
now they tell me that!
so I can not use it for a client to have his sales men using it for controlling the customers?
:mad:

unity100
03-13-2009, 02:24 AM
a bit stupid indeed. a CRM, yet you cant use it for commercial purposes.

Xeentech
03-13-2009, 04:01 AM
This is not the appropriate forum, but I guess at least I saw it, and can set you straight.
That's not what the by-nc-nd licence means at all.
by: means if you publish the source of the crm/what ever, you have to give credit to the author.
nc: this means you can not sell the source commercial.
nd: means you can not make a derivative work and public it, ie edit the source to make a new app and then distribute it.
The Licence covers the ownership of the copyright over the source code. It's not a licence to use the app, that would be an EULA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EULA).

cloud-hidden
03-13-2009, 06:37 AM
This is not the appropriate forum, but I guess at least I saw it, and can set you straight.
That's not what the by-nc-nd licence means at all.
by: means if you publish the source of the crm/what ever, you have to give credit to the author.
nc: this means you can not sell the source commercial.
nd: means you can not make a derivative work and public it, ie edit the source to make a new app and then distribute it.
The Licence covers the ownership of the copyright over the source code. It's not a licence to use the app, that would be an EULA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EULA).
I don't think that's entirely accurate either. I believe your focus on the concept of "source" is incorrect. That is, the "by" requirement mandates giving due credit in all cases regardless of the source availability.
I also don't think the "nc" requirement is tied to the concept of original "source" either. As far as I can understand the "nc" reqirement prohibits copying and/or distribution of the material for commercial gain (i.e. selling the work as is, again no mention of source).
To the best of my knowledge copyright does not cover use cases (i.e. personal or internal use of a copyrighted work is always permited). So you are correct that in order to restrict the use of a work the parties have to enter into a contract that goes above and beyond what copyright law restricts. That is what EULAs do (despite their name they are contracts and not copyright licenses).
But again I do not agree that a copyright license only covers "source code". What a copyright license does is it basically relaxs some of the restrictions that automatically apply to a copyrighted work. But it does so provided certain conditions are met. If the licensee fails to comply with the conditions set in the license, the license is then revoked which will result in all the original restrictions of copyright to apply to the work again.
In any case the exact meaning of the "nc" clause is not even known by the Creative Commons themselves, which is why they are conducting a research study (http://creativecommons.org/press-releases/entry/9554) to clarify to matter.

cloud-hidden
03-13-2009, 06:51 AM
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/
I am installing SUGARCRM PHP MYSQL based for customers management
but now I have just seen that it is under the above lincense!
now they tell me that!
so I can not use it for a client to have his sales men using it for controlling the customers?
:mad:
What edition of SugarCRM is this? I was under the impression that the community edition is under GPL3, which is a perfectly fine license.