hi,
I have 4 reseller plans that i want to put on a dedicated server running cpanel/whm on a CentOS 5.x 64 bit
Is there a widely accepted way that one can create these reseller plans -- what i mean to ask is:
1)Do any resellers virtualize (for example -the 4) reseller plans in such a way so it is easier to manage them?
2)a noob secenario is:
i have one dedi server and i need to start putting clients on an other server.Is there a way to connect the 2 servers and simply transfer some reseller clients from server 1 to server 2?:confused:
thanks very much

2)a noob secenario is:
i have one dedi server and i need to start putting clients on an other server.Is there a way to connect the 2 servers and simply transfer some reseller clients from server 1 to server 2?:confused:
thanks very much
You should be able to set up the DNS clustering of the two cPanel/WHM boxes and use the account transfer functions in cPanel to transfer them over.

Yes AnmolTech, it is possible to have all your reseller packages on one dedicated server only! All that it is required to do is to install all necessary software once you buy a dedicated server! Just ask your current hosting provider to upgrade you to dedicated server and perform all necessary tasks for you!

Yes AnmolTech, it is possible to have all your reseller packages on one dedicated server only! All that it is required to do is to install all necessary software once you buy a dedicated server! Just ask your current hosting provider to upgrade you to dedicated server and perform all necessary tasks for you!
I understand the part where installing cpanel/WHM on the server and configuring the reseller accounts on it.
My Question is:
1) Is there a way to Virtualize (any virutalization software)that resellers use So as to BETTER manage the accounts ----- or do most resellers simply create reseller accounts on WHM?
2)One of the threads on WHT suggested to install VM Esxi on the root of the dedi server and create one host. ---- the reason given was it would be the best method to restore it in case of hardware failure ------- can someone confirm this and if there are any suggestions you can make?
Regarding question 1) -- do resellers use virtualization tech like virtuozo or simillar to vitualize "RESELLER PLANS" --- so it is easier to manage them/
I really really appreciate your comments on my questions.
TIA

Here's one question for you, do you allow your resellers to oversell, or do you not allow overselling?

Here's another thought as well. If you virtualize each reseller plan, you're going to need a cPanel license for each instance. Let's say you have a dedicated server with 4 VPS's. You'll need 4 cPanel VPS licenses.

Here's one question for you, do you allow your resellers to oversell, or do you not allow overselling?
I am planning to allow resellers to oversell.

Ah ok, well in that a case, virtualizing them would help keep their resources in check. It would allow them to "sell" as much as they want, but use only what's in their prescribed package.
You still run into the licensing issue though.

So in addition to the "Server cpanel license" i will need some cpanel vps license in addition to the cost of the virtuosoo software? --- right.
What would you recommend virtuoso or ? and can you suggest someone where i can buy cpanel vps licesnse's?

You can get cPanel VPS licenses from buycpanel.com for $15/month each. It is quite pricey to do that but if you really plan on virtualizing all your resellers, then I suppose that's one alternative to it.

You can get cPanel VPS licenses from buycpanel.com for $15/month each. It is quite pricey to do that but if you really plan on virtualizing all your resellers, then I suppose that's one alternative to it.
can you tell me if got the sequence of steps right:
1) Hardware specs:
Core2Quad Q9550,8 GB RAM, 2x 1 TB Hard drives with 3Mware Hardware Raid running CenOS 5.x 64 bit
2)Install Cpanel license (Internal on the sever)
3)Install Virtuozzo -- create containers
4)Install cpanel licenses (external license)for each of the created containers in step 3
5)Container 1 would contain ALL of my 4 reseller plans
6)All other containers can be sold as Vps's -- right?
Did i get atleast steps 2-4 right?
Thanks
vijay

can you tell me if got the sequence of steps right:
1) Hardware specs:
Core2Quad Q9550,8 GB RAM, 2x 1 TB Hard drives with 3Mware Hardware Raid running CenOS 5.x 64 bit
2)Install Cpanel license (Internal on the sever)
3)Install Virtuozzo -- create containers
4)Install cpanel licenses (external license)for each of the created containers in step 3
5)Container 1 would contain ALL of my 4 reseller plans
6)All other containers can be sold as Vps's -- right?
Did i get steps 2-4 right?
Thanks
vijay
I have never personally dealt with VPS's and I've only heard about it from my fellow web hosting friends. I believe that would be correct. Just to make sure I got things right, you plan on creating multiple virtual machines on your server. You plan on having 1 virtual machine just for those 4 resellers? If so, I believe you won't need the cPanel internal license. Just create multiple virtual machines and get multiple cPanel VPS licenses. I do not see any point as to why you would need the internal cPanel license when your running a server with multiple VPS's. However, I am not 100% true if that is correct and someone might need to back me up on this one.

I will be offering 4 different Reseller Plans for resellers to purchase from me.
All of those 4 reseller plans R-1,R-2, R-3 and R-4 will be in ONE container.I suppose i can increase the size of the container as and when needed -- with virtuozzo -- can someone confirm this?
"cause they are 1 TB hard drives i can create more containers install cPanel VPS licenses on them and sell them too.
Can someone confirm if i got the concepts right?
AND
also whether there is a need for a cPanel Internal licenses to be installed on the server?
Thanks
vijay

Can I just ask, I may have been totally ignorant. But why are you going to all this trouble when you could just simply create the reseller accounts on the dedicated server. Saves you $60 p/month in licenses and you don't have to fix multiple problems with the individual virtual machines. Although, I don't 100% understand what you're trying to do. So, ignore this post if you do so wish :)
Best wishes,

Can I just ask, I may have been totally ignorant. But why are you going to all this trouble when you could just simply create the reseller accounts on the dedicated server. Saves you $60 p/month in licenses and you don't have to fix multiple problems with the individual virtual machines. Although, I don't 100% understand what you're trying to do. So, ignore this post if you do so wish :)
Best wishes,
I am just trying to do: -- is to find out how resellers TYPICALLY put out their plans on a dedi machine.
I have assumed that using Virtualization technology at some level ADDS to EASY management ---- so my aim and goal is to find out how virtualization has made it helpful for example to re-install or transfer clients over to an other machine if the host machine fails OR easier to transfer a single VM on to an other server -- if needed.
secondly, with a 1 Tb hard drive i could start offering VPS's too until i overgrow and need an other server.
can you advise me on this?
TIA

To be honest with you, I would just install a single cPanel license and use the dedicated server on it's own and just create WHM accounts on there. Would make management easier as you wouldn't have to manage different machines so to speak, or am I missing something completely? I would just work on reseller / hosting on that machine at the moment because in my opinion, I wouldn't use only 2 hard drives and it depends on the RAID solution you're using.
Best wishes,

Bret: -- i understand what you are saying and agree. Are you saying something like Raid 10 would be more ideal for dealing with VPS's rather than Raid 1 which i plan to use?
thanks

can you tell me if got the sequence of steps right:
1) Hardware specs:
Core2Quad Q9550,8 GB RAM, 2x 1 TB Hard drives with 3Mware Hardware Raid running CenOS 5.x 64 bit
2)Install Cpanel license (Internal on the sever)
3)Install Virtuozzo -- create containers
4)Install cpanel licenses (external license)for each of the created containers in step 3
5)Container 1 would contain ALL of my 4 reseller plans
6)All other containers can be sold as Vps's -- right?
Did i get atleast steps 2-4 right?
Thanks
vijay
1) For a VPS node, I'd recommend 4 drives in a Raid 10 configuration. I'd also recommend SAS drives.
2) No, I wouldn't install cPanel on the server itself. The top layer will be virtualizing only. If you want to do like shared clients for example, create a special VPS for it.
3) if you choose Virtuozzo, then that would be the first thing to instlal I believe.
4) Correct.
5) Why create only a single container? If it's just one container, what's the point of going through all the VPS stuff for one container? Unless you want to sell VPS's on the same box.

UH-Bobby:
1)Raid 10 will be implemented once biz picks up -- maybe in 3-4 months time.
SAS? -- would like to but the HD's don't come in bigger sizes :-)
One container of virtuozzo will hold my reseller Plans. -- I then advertise the plans for VPS's -- customer 1 signups for a vps -- implement an other container and so on -- Thats the plan
Please kindly correct me if i am making any blunders here -- i would really appreciate it.
Thanks

So basically, you're going to have all of your eggs in one basket.
If you treat this as a VPS node, meaning at the top level all the server does is virtualize, then have 1 container for reseller and shared accounts, and the rest for VPS's. I don't see any major issues with doing that. The only thing is, if the node goes down for whatever reasons, then your whole business is down.
Another thing to think about, with VPS's you need faster drives, IO access is very important. So, I'd reconsider the SAS drives. I'd reconsider RAID 10 too, because that also helps in performance. With RAID 1, it's just mirroring, you get no performance benefits, but with RAID 10, you get striping which improves read/write speed. With VPS's, IO is important.

So basically, you're going to have all of your eggs in one basket.
If you treat this as a VPS node, meaning at the top level all the server does is virtualize, then have 1 container for reseller and shared accounts, and the rest for VPS's. I don't see any major issues with doing that. The only thing is, if the node goes down for whatever reasons, then your whole business is down.
Another thing to think about, with VPS's you need faster drives, IO access is very important. So, I'd reconsider the SAS drives. I'd reconsider RAID 10 too, because that also helps in performance. With RAID 1, it's just mirroring, you get no performance benefits, but with RAID 10, you get striping which improves read/write speed. With VPS's, IO is important.
OK. I buy the reasoning on the SAS.
You mentioned about node going down, noob question "node" meaning server goes down??-- and so use raid 10?
sorry to bother you so much :-)
THANKS

OK. I buy the reasoning on the SAS.
You mentioned about node going down, noob question "node" meaning server goes down??-- and so use raid 10?
sorry to bother you so much :-)
THANKS
Sorry, tech talk :), Node really just means server. Basically, VPS hosts call the top server that powers the VPS's the nodes. The reason for naming it differently, is that VPS's can look just like real servers.
VPS's are like dedicated servers. So it's kind of like putting several low powered servers in one big server (your node). That's why RAID 10 is so important. VPS's require a lot more IO, so faster hard drives make a world of difference.