Hello, all.

I am very satisfied from my current host which use Cpanel.

Recently, I think on having another host for other site I have, this host use Ensim.

What can you say on this Control panel ?? is it worth than Cpanel ? is it quite the same ?

Should I have any concern about ensim CP ?

Thanks for your answers!

I think most people would agree in saying CPanel is the best control panel. Especially if you are already familiar with it....changing to ensim might be a little tricky

Ensim:smash:

Ensim only lets you have one MySQL database and uses Sendmail for the SMTP server. In contrast, CPanel lets you have more than one MySQL database and uses Exim. :D

Ensim only has the ability to create 1 DB, you'll have to ask the support desk to create more if you need them (and they offer it)

Only 1 SQL DB ??

But if my plan includes unlimited SQL DB ?? How it can be ??

Please explain...

Is ensin cheaper for hosting companies (then Cpanel) that they can offer a better plan with cheap prices ?

I think Ensim's more expensive than CPanel actually (unless I'm mistaken). Anyways, you're probably getting screwed over if they promised unlimited databases. :(

for my the DB issue read my post (right above yours)

hosts that offer ensim are usually cheaper than hosts that offer cpanel - but that could be for a variety of reasons...

What other disadvantages is there, other then the SQL and maybe compared to Cpanel ?

I dont think there is any other disadvantage. only mysql is the problem.
And one more thing, they are not as buggy as cpanel is ;)

And one more thing, they are not as buggy as cpanel is

In the two years that i've used cpanel, there is not one bug that has affected my site(s) to the point where it is inaccessible to the user. with cpanel5 - most bugs have been fixed and new features are being added

I find the Ensim interface ugly and not as simple for users. Yuck! :)

Ensim has a professional interface, and its interface can be changed too in the newer version.

I offer both Ensim and Cpanel to customers. Both are very good, in my opinion, but perhaps for different reasons. True, Cpanel puts a little extra control in the hands of the users but Ensim offers a more stable environment. Customers may not notice, but Ensim put a great deal of thought into the back end. Also, a host can easily modify or enhance a lot of Ensim's functionality if they are inclined to do so.

Ensim requires more assistance from your host to set up certain things, but Cpanel sometimes requires more assistance from your host to fix what is broken by features that are incomplete or weren't fully tested before release.

As for databases on Ensim, I create the empty databases when the account is set up so that everything is in place for the customer by the time they get their welcome letter.

To answer the question: No, you shouldn't be concerned about Ensim.

Ensim also offers better security as it puts every account in its own chroot environment. This makes it like every account has its own little server.

What do you mean "As for databases on Ensim, I create the empty databases when the account is set up so that everything is in place for the customer by the time they get their welcome letter. " ??

How can you create DB's when you don't know your customers needs or DB names ?

Originally posted by nike
How can you create DB's when you don't know your customers needs or DB names ?

Each plan comes with a certain number of databases, so I know how many to create in advance. But when I say "create the databases" I mean that I just create empty databases that can be populated with tables by the customer. DB names don't really matter, do they? But if they do, I'll just rename them to whatever is needed.

I think db names should be create according to a customers domain.

for example
foo_bar_com_*

It would be rude to repeat what my customers thought of Ensim 3.0 - I hope the newer versions are better.

if mysql is checked for a domain name when it is created then a db domain_com is created for that domain.
to add additional dbs to that domain simply create a db in phpmyadmin and assign priveleges for the user of that domain to the new dbs.
problem solved. takes about 30 seconds per db.

hope this helps

Originally posted by DotComster
It would be rude to repeat what my customers thought of Ensim 3.0 - I hope the newer versions are better.

There is no perfect solution, I'll grant you that. I offer two control panels because some people prefer one over the other. Most don't care, as long it gets the job done. They don't live and breathe this stuff the way some of us do. :D

BTW, Ensim 3.1.1 has been released but I haven't taken the plunge yet.

...is all you really need anyway. A client can create as many tables in that one database as they choose. It might come in handy for a client to have more than one database but that is not very common.

Originally posted by steve93138
...is all you really need anyway. A client can create as many tables in that one database as they choose. It might come in handy for a client to have more than one database but that is not very common.

I'd rather have more than one database for organization purposes. :)

Actually ive seen tosm of thigns here in correct
ENSIM is extremyl customisable:
If your in 3.0 you can use a css file to change almost everythign in ensims cp, You can add your logo, and add links to addons you create which can also use the ensim cookie to work with each user. In 3.1.1 You can create skins to make it look how you want.

Databases: Ever here of changing the user privilages in mysql? You can allow users to make as many as they want. Theres a solution for those that want to offer unlim.

Buggy: Not really, plus fast patches for most updates.

Command Line interface: Allows users to create scripts to do many thigns like mail all clients, instant account creation with ease.

In my experience with plesk, cpanel, cobalt, ensim, I would say ensim is the best.

Id also like to mention the use of VirtDomain.tar and VirtDomain.sh. VirtDomain.tar is untared to new sites on creation, this can be used many ways. VirtDomain.sh can be any lang php,asp,cgi,bash and more. You can use it to run commands for new sites ,like add extra databases to user accounts and more. Possiblities with ensim and limitless.

What does anyone think of Sphera? Does anyone use that cp?

Ensim kicks arse.. We used cobalts for a while which were also pretty user freindly.. Tried Cpanel for a breif period of time then fell in love with Ensim.. I agree Cpanel is alot more "pretty" and it does have a couple more things tha Ensim but hands down in both security and user freindliness(sp?) Ensim takes the cake..

Firstly, in response to the author's question -- "Is Ensim CP any good?" Is almost like opening a can of worms that everyone's going to have an opinion about, and, yes, usually they'll all differ. Mine is that Ensim is allright, though it's entirely too hard to administrate an ensim machine, and it creates entirely too MANY security risks.

Yes, it's true, ensim offers it's own "virtual" home, however that is NOT a good thing for any EXPERIENCED linux user, and contrary to popular opinion, this does NOT make the box more 'secure'. In fact, it often times makes the box LESS secure. Here's my reasoning and an example why:

Last week, sometime, one of the hosts I monitor sent me an alert that their web daemon had shut down. Of course the system admin was online so I sent him a message, and he replied with 'help!!', so I went in and took a look at the problem.

The first thing I noticed? /dev/null was not as it should be. Somehow, someone had changed it into a directory. Usually, i handle stuff like this, but I called his noc and had them replace it, because of the special file that /dev/null is (it's a file but it isn't). Once that happened, everything got to working normally.

The culprit? After talking to him, I found out that installing a user's cron job had done this (a really screwed cron job, but a cron job none the less).
After a bit more searching, it became quite evident that in ensim you actually have to do this as root (normal users aren't given the cron command). Talk about completely insecure!!

I realize that there's a patch for ensim to do this,and a patch for ensim to do that, but in reality, I don't WANT a damn patch. If my users come up to me and say "hey, can I have ssh access?"and provide validl reasons, you'd better believe they want ssh access with FULL linux system usage,and it's my obligation as a provider to give this to them.

Now, I've heard it said that Ensim is more 'professional'. No, not at all. In fact, given the above circumstance and HUGE hole, I'd say that Ensim is LESS professional from an administrative standpoint. ANY system that puts more work on the system admin is not more professional.

Perhaps, yes, CPanel is buggy, but they always (ALWAYS) have friendly techs available to handle this or that request. I recall just after getting it installed, I had a problem with mailman (probably a common one, because I've seen it other places as well), so I filed a support request (like any good user would do). A little patience, and < 12 hours later someone was inside of my machine, and within 30 minutes had the problem fixed.

What many fail to realize is that the problem is NOT usually with CPanel, but with 3rd party programs such as mailman, or proftpd. Most of this, CP has no responsibility or affiliation with, yet they're MORE than willing to come in and fix the problem they have.

As far as "skins", CP offers some,Ensim offers some. The skins don't make the manager, though, functionality makes the manager..

As far as ease of use, CPanel has this covered hands down. Ever tried setting up the server's dns records in Ensim?? My God, what a PITA. With CPanel, it's such a breeze to do.

Ensim doesn't offer the functionality that CPanel does. For instance, does ensim page you or send you IM's when services go down? nope, but CPanel will. Does Ensim offer automatic updates? Nope, but CPanel will. The reverse can NOT be said, however,because CPanel DOES offer everything Ensim does (except perhaps majordomo which is hugely underdeveloped and impossible to setup anyways).

Ensim doesn't work on anything but redhat 7.2 (seriously) which is so out of date it's not funny, and if you modify the kernel for that server, forget putting ensim on there (at least officially)..

In the long run, if you're after support, functionality, security, and ease of use, don't use either. A good CLI (command line interface) is much better for all of that, and you're less likely to screw things up. However, for those of you that can't understand what the CLI does, or have no care to learn (beit too busy or whatever), CPanel is the most reasonable option out there.

I run *** Complete and I think that it's perfect solution for hosting.
First of all it has OS virtualization (like Ensim) but Virtual environments are separated on kernel level. So it's more secure then Ensim. All virtual environments are complete linux systems. Customers can install all software their need for (in every VE) and run any application they wish.

And I can say that *** ******** is faster then Exim or CPanel?

Does anybody else use it?

<<MOD NOTE: That company has come here and spammed the forum so many times that I wouldn't use their product if they gave it to me for free, nor trust a bunch of spammers who can't sell their crap without spamming forums. Pathetic. Please suport companies who do NOT spam the forum.>>

Wolfstream, no control panel can make up for an incompetant administrator. From what you posted it sounds like the admin setup the user's script to run as root... :eek:

You do realize control panels are (mainly) for the users, right? Not including the "Ok I think I should start a web hosting business, walk me through it one step at a time please" lusers trying to be admins, of course.

Originally posted by AlexanderFry
I run HSP Complete and I think that it's perfect solution for hosting.
First of all it has OS virtualization (like Ensim) but Virtual environments are separated on kernel level. So it's more secure then Ensim. All virtual environments are complete linux systems. Customers can install all software their need for (in every VE) and run any application they wish.

And I can say that HSP Complete is faster then Exim or CPanel?

Does anybody else use it?

Sounds like an ad. And since these guys are banned for spamming the boards, I have no doubt you are here spamming too since your three post are just on HSP comp.

But we can take care of this by having you simply stating what company or domain name is yours. After, you sure are happy to talk about the level of vds os security, then you shouldn't mind telling us your site.

Originally posted by no1v2
Wolfstream, no control panel can make up for an incompetant administrator. From what you posted it sounds like the admin setup the user's script to run as root... :eek:

You do realize control panels are (mainly) for the users, right? Not including the "Ok I think I should start a web hosting business, walk me through it one step at a time please" lusers trying to be admins, of course.
In this case, the administrator is fairly competent.. He just went into an area that he wasn't familliar with, which is fine. This IS after all what I get paid to do, and to deal with.
Control panels aren't just meant to make user life easier, they're meant to make administrative life easier as well.. Granted, a seasoned admin will know how to use the command line to get what (s)he wants done, but still.

Yes cron was setup to run as root (because in ensim's "secure" environment, there is no user cron ability, so all crontabs have to be run as root), and, no, the admin didn't check things before he put the cron in, but that's a different story altogether.

The moral of the story: Ensim is NOT as secure as you want it to be. There's quite a few security flaws in BOTH ensim, AND Cpanel, but at least with cp, you're looking at less chance for the "secure" environment to backfire on you and cause system critcal damage.

Originally posted by no1v2
Wolfstream, no control panel can make up for an incompetant administrator. From what you posted it sounds like the admin setup the user's script to run as root... :eek:

You do realize control panels are (mainly) for the users, right? Not including the "Ok I think I should start a web hosting business, walk me through it one step at a time please" lusers trying to be admins, of course.

Oh my god, that's so true. I wish I could just run servers control panel-less, but then clients would complain. :mad:

Yes, it's true, ensim offers it's own "virtual" home, however that is NOT a good thing for any EXPERIENCED linux user, and contrary to popular opinion, this does NOT make the box more 'secure'. In fact, it often times makes the box LESS secure.

I guess my sysadmins are morons that druel on themselves. They have no problem with Ensim. Also, ensim is a hosting appliance software enabler. Did you forget that? If you want an open Linux box for the "EXPERIENCED linux user", don't add a control panel.

Talk about completely insecure!!

How is that? You state A then jump to C. Also, sorry if your users can't run cron from their virtual space, ours have no trouble. Then again we are not "EXPERIENCED linux user"s.

What many fail to realize is that the problem is NOT usually with CPanel,...... <snip>

No, what people forget to realize is that these are control panels used to help your users manage their site. They are not Linux admin makers. If you buy a control panel to cover your incompitence of managing a server, then you shouldn't be talking poeple's businesses under your wing.

however,because CPanel DOES offer everything Ensim does

How about Majordomo, Miva Empresa, SMTP Authentication(?), scablabilty from shared ==> VDS ==> dedicated, lower cost, etc..

I am not saying CPanel does not have more features. They do. However some people do not like the auto-updates and other features. I am not saying Ensim doesn't have some damn annoying bugs, it does. CPs are a matter of preference. We don't need someone pointing out things that are not true in a comparison. Especially challenging someones capibilties to manage a server and blaiming it on a CP.

Ensim doesn't work on anything but redhat 7.2 (seriously) which is so out of date it's not funny, and if you modify the kernel for that server, forget putting ensim on there (at least officially)..

Common man, this is ignorant. We have run WP 2.0 on 6.1. Sure it was a first release, but that is the way the cookie crumbles. Also, ensim nmakes NO change the the RH kernel. Guess you really didn't look at it carefully. Ensim only alters the Multi-tenet kernel.

Finally ...

and it creates entirely too MANY security risks

Really. Care to share? Or was this just a blanket statement with no proof. In that case... I know who shot JFK.

Originally posted by wolfstream
Control panels aren't just meant to make user life easier, they're meant to make administrative life easier as well..You actually do have a point there, even though it's not the one you intended. Control panels DO make things easier for administrators, because, well, just think about all of the settings users regularly change using their control panels, and then consider having to make every one of those changes for every one of those users yourself ;)


Originally posted by wolfstream
In this case, the administrator is fairly competent..Originally posted by wolfstream
Yes cron was setup to run as root (because in ensim's "secure" environment, there is no user cron ability, so all crontabs have to be run as root), and, no, the admin didn't check things before he put the cron in, but that's a different story altogether.Those two quotes do not mix. If that's what a "competent" administrator did, then what would an incompetent one have done? :eek:

My take on Ensim is the same as on almost any other control panel: it all depends on what you and your users need. I run an Ensim server. Why? Because nothing else compares when it comes to what myself and the users on that server need. Does that mean Ensim is "better" or "worse" than any other specific control panel? Of course not. It's all about what the administrator and users need. I can think of plenty of cases where I would much rather have WHM/CPanel than Ensim. Again, it doesn't make WHM/CPanel "better." (WHM/CPanel was used as an example here because of your obsession with it :P)

Where oh where to even start with this. I'll simply say this.. UB, go back and read the actual post a few times, you clearly missed quite a few points that were clearly proven.

I'm not saying ANYONE's incompetent here ( a cron entry was added as root (because this is the only way it COULD be added) that shouldn't have been, BFD), I'm simply using that as an EXAMPLE of Ensim's (as stock) vulnerabilities, and security holes. Any server or appliance that (as stock) requires crontabs to be set in as root is absolutely insecure, because this grants individuals the ability to go in and modify system files globally at a whim.

Of course there's patches for this and that in Ensim. Again, though, you're looking at more time spent with Ensim to get it to do what you need it to (many people need cronjobs for MANY different reasons), which means that less time is spent where it should be, on actual administration.

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bash-2.05$ crontab -e
bash: crontab: command not found
bash-2.05$
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If your users can run cron from their virtual space, then you've allowed them the access to do this, you've added this ability to your service. I never said it can't be done, I simply said that it is more time consuming than anything.
What about, however if your users wanted (or needed) to perform standard tasks with binaries that aren't provided? Is this possible? Not without a LOT of recompiling.. Oh, wait, damn, I can't recompile in a virtual host environment either.

Yes, Ensim limits what can and can't be done, and yes in (some) ways that's a good thing. However, for the majority of (experienced) linux users it's not..

I never once jumped from A to C, I went strictly from A - B - C. if you can't understand or comprehend this, that's not my fault, but please, don't blame it on ignorance or incompetent admin.

The fact of the matter is that when comparing the two, Ensim makes the administrator's work a LOT harder, taking more time (at least initially) away from setting up the server as it should be spent. Cpanel, you pretty much have no problem there, you start the install, and it's smart enough to figure out what can (or can't) be done. Hell, you don't even need the auto-updates enabled any longer.

Again, you misread my point on the kernels, so I'll go over this again. NEVER did I say that Ensim modifies a kernel (please, read my post again). I said that if you modify the kernel (verio's servers at stock are a prime example of this), then you have zero chance at "officially" installing Ensim and obtaining official support from them (I know this, because I've dealt with Ensim on this matter more than once).

Ensim is developed against software that's going on a year old now (rh 7.2), and from the looks of things doesn't look to be improving very rapidly, although the industry around it grows by leaps and bounds (rh8 was just released, and ensim completely skipped 7.3), so by the time that 8.1 is released, MAYBE ensim will be up to 7.3 (unfortunately, with their track record, you'llonly be able to USE 7.3, not 7.2, not 8, not 7.1). CPanel, however, allows for more than one operating system to use it's software (drake, redhat, I believe bsd (though don't quote me on that one), and a couple of others).

The long and short:
CPanel brings development as well as security. Ensim brings a LOT of work (if you want your users to be able to use stuff like cron, etc), CPanel is a breeze to install, Ensim, well, you'd better be prepared for a long haul of manually updating packages, adding packages, and kernels (if your kernel doesn't match Ensim's tested, they will refuse to give you support).

Once again, this is NOT ignorance, on either my behalf or the behalf of the admin I work with and for, nor is it (by any means) incompetence. It's simply the facts as they are. Ensim might be great for a few, but CP is better off in the long run, and it's more versatile.

Of course, I DO agree that the best answer is none of the above (give me bash or give me death??), but convincing the average user to use just a bash prompt and figure things out for themselves is rather not a good idea.. At least it's not a way to keep someone's business.

I guess I'll "take it from the top:"

Originally posted by wolfstream
Where oh where to even start with this. I'll simply say this.. UB, go back and read the actual post a few times, you clearly missed quite a few points that were clearly proven. If only you had "simply said that..." :rolleyes:


Originally posted by wolfstream
I'm not saying ANYONE's incompetent hereMaybe not, but I'm saying it ;)


Originally posted by wolfstream
( a cron entry was added as root (because this is the only way it COULD be added)Supposing that's true, even though it's not, why does it (the user's script) have to run as root?

Originally posted by wolfstream
I'm simply using that as an EXAMPLE of Ensim's (as stock) vulnerabilities, and security holes.The admin lets a user's script run as root, and it's Ensim's fault? Don't tell me there was no other quick/easy way, because that's just plain wrong (see my response to the previous quote).


Originally posted by wolfstream
Any server or appliance that (as stock) requires crontabs to be set in as root is absolutely insecure, because this grants individuals the ability to go in and modify system files globally at a whim.Are you serious?!? Ensim users can add cron jobs that run as root?!??!!? Please tell me where so I can stop them ASAP!!!!! Oh wait, they do it by asking the incompetent admin! I already removed the one that came with my Ensim server :D

Originally posted by wolfstream
Of course there's patches for this and that in Ensim. Again, though, you're looking at more time spent with Ensim to get it to do what you need it to (many people need cron jobs for MANY different reasons), which means that less time is spent where it should be, on actual administration.Very true. I'm having to write a fair bit of stuff to get what I need out of Ensim. It's still less than what I'd have to do for anything else on the market, but in this case less doesn't mean little. My requirements are fairly different than that of most web hosts, especially most of those that I've seen represented here. Having said that, I would definitely like to give my users access to add their own cron jobs, I'll add that to my list of modifications to do :)

Originally posted by wolfstream
If your users can run cron from their virtual space, then you've allowed them the access to do this, you've added this ability to your service. I never said it can't be done, I simply said that it is more time consuming than anything.True, I'd rather not have to do it myself.

Originally posted by wolfstream
Yes, Ensim limits what can and can't be done, and yes in (some) ways that's a good thing. However, for the majority of (experienced) Linux users it's not..If you're talking about a lack of features, I don't think it's a good thing (except for the extremely unexperienced users). Are you talking about a lack of available commands caused by the chroot environments it gives users? If so, when did linking some files become hard or start taking lots of time?

Originally posted by wolfstream
I never once jumped from A to C, I went strictly from A - B - C. if you can't understand or comprehend this, that's not my fault, but please, don't blame it on ignorance or incompetent admin.I certainly didn't understand that :o It's all the incompetent admin's fault! He's gonna pay! (I don't have a useful response to this quote because I really don't understand it. I'm guessing it's directed at UmBillyCord's post, which I read but forgot).

Originally posted by wolfstream
The fact of the matter is that when comparing the two, Ensim makes the administrator's work a LOT harder, taking more time (at least initially) away from setting up the server as it should be spent. CPanel, you pretty much have no problem there, you start the install, and it's smart enough to figure out what can (or can't) be done. Hell, you don't even need the auto-updates enabled any longer.I was about to ask you to stop bringing CPanel into this because it's OT, but then I saw that Nike did mention he wanted Ensim compared to CPanel. Nike: switching from a CPanel account to an Ensim one with no additional features added on will probably be disappointing to you. Make a list of all of the CPanel features you use or plan on using, and ask the host you're considering which, if any, they don't have.

Originally posted by wolfstream
Again, you misread my point on the kernels, so I'll go over this again. NEVER did I say that Ensim modifies a kernel (please, read my post again). I said that if you modify the kernel (verio's servers at stock are a prime example of this), then you have zero chance at "officially" installing Ensim and obtaining official support from them (I know this, because I've dealt with Ensim on this matter more than once).I didn't know this, but it sounds like a very valid problem. Luckily I don't plan on doing anything that needs a custom kernel.

Originally posted by wolfstream
Ensim is developed against software that's going on a year old now (rh 7.2), and from the looks of things doesn't look to be improving very rapidly, although the industry around it grows by leaps and bounds (rh8 was just released, and ensim completely skipped 7.3), so by the time that 8.1 is released, MAYBE ensim will be up to 7.3 (unfortunately, with their track record, you'llonly be able to USE 7.3, not 7.2, not 8, not 7.1). CPanel, however, allows for more than one operating system to use it's software (drake, redhat, I believe bsd (though don't quote me on that one), and a couple of others).Another valid problem. Newer doesn't always mean better of course, but in this case I agree that it tends to.

Originally posted by wolfstream
The long and short:
CPanel brings development as well as security. Ensim brings a LOT of work (if you want your users to be able to use stuff like cron, etc), CPanel is a breeze to install, Ensim, well, you'd better be prepared for a long haul of manually updating packages, adding packages, and kernels (if your kernel doesn't match Ensim's tested, they will refuse to give you support).That shouldn't be a problem for Nike...

Originally posted by wolfstream
Once again, this is NOT ignorance, on either my behalf or the behalf of the admin I work with and for, nor is it (by any means) incompetence. It's simply the facts as they are.You have GOT to be kidding me.

Originally posted by wolfstream
Ensim might be great for a few, but CP is better off in the long run, and it's more versatile.Like I said before, that depends on way too many variables for either to be "better." However, if either is better for Nike then it's almost certainly CPanel.

Originally posted by wolfstream
Of course, I DO agree that the best answer is none of the above (give me bash or give me death??), but convincing the average user to use just a bash prompt and figure things out for themselves is rather not a good idea.. At least it's not a way to keep someone's business.Are you referring to a set of command line scripts/programs with functionality similar to web-based web hosting control panels (like Ensim's CLI scripts, but the equivalent of the site admin panel instead of the appliance admin panel?)? If so, it would be a great idea...just like you said, for advanced users :)

wolfstream, the only point I missed is where you said if you modify the kernel, and I thought you said Ensim did. However, that too is rediculous because if you make custom hacks to any kernel you take the 'chance' that the next software install or upgrade will not work or will cause you to spend more time making it work.

I really am not going to go through all your replies. Most is just a back and forth on opionions on software - irrelivent - as we each have our own. Also, I already freely admitted Ensim has some annoying bugs which you covered.

I will comment on two things you seemed to have conveinently overlooked:

I never once jumped from A to C, I went strictly from A - B - C. if you can't understand or comprehend this, that's not my fault, but please, don't blame it on ignorance or incompetent admin.

Show again where you went from the A - B - C.

Mine is that Ensim is allright .....<snip> .. and it creates entirely too MANY security risks.

Again. A = Ensim allright.
B = ????
C = entirely too MANY security risks

Your cron issue? = Many? Plus that example really is rediculous. Sorry.

And again:

and it creates entirely too MANY security risks

Explain this. I challenge you. You make a blanket statement with no proof.

Explain this. I challenge you. You make a blanket statement with no proof.
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No, I think not. No matter how I try to "explain" it, you will see things your way, how you want to see them. You're not open to reality, to change, or to even calm discussion without tearing crap apart. I've made my points here, because you're too ignorant to see them or say they're valid points, that's your own fault, not mine.

I have more to do with my time than to spend it here letting you rip not only me but my customers, and their opinions apart.

In short, I hav worked with Ensim AND with CPanel. I didn't say either sucks, I don't sit here and force either on anyone, I point the valid problems out (of both). Because the Ensim individuals insist upon namecalling and pretty much flamethrowing, I don't need it.. This isn't flames-r-us, it WAS a mild FACTUAL discussion, untill certain individuals came in and decided they knew everyone and they hadthe right to pass judgement when they know nothing of the situation.

The proof's been shown, you refuse to see it, that doesn't matter to me, your loss not mine.

Plesk 5.0 is so much better than ensim 3.1.

Cpanel is good and everything but I find that plesk is the control panel that makes a system administrator's life easier.

But.....
for consumers, the features that cpanel has are much more worth your money than ensim. If I were just looking for hosting on 1 domain i would go with cpanel any day.

Originally posted by wolfstream
Explain this. I challenge you. You make a blanket statement with no proof.
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No, I think not. No matter how I try to "explain" it, you will see things your way, how you want to see them. You're not open to reality, to change, or to even calm discussion without tearing crap apart. I've made my points here, because you're too ignorant to see them or say they're valid points, that's your own fault, not mine.

I have more to do with my time than to spend it here letting you rip not only me but my customers, and their opinions apart.

In short, I hav worked with Ensim AND with CPanel. I didn't say either sucks, I don't sit here and force either on anyone, I point the valid problems out (of both). Because the Ensim individuals insist upon namecalling and pretty much flamethrowing, I don't need it.. This isn't flames-r-us, it WAS a mild FACTUAL discussion, untill certain individuals came in and decided they knew everyone and they hadthe right to pass judgement when they know nothing of the situation.

The proof's been shown, you refuse to see it, that doesn't matter to me, your loss not mine.

Well new guy, if you are going to post blanket statements here and not back them up, you will have a fruitfull time here. Again. I am challenging you. Post all these security threats with Ensim. You said it. Now back it up. Either that or shut up and apolgize for posting crap.

I have more to do with my time than to spend it here letting you rip not only me but my customers, and their opinions apart.

What are you talking about? Rip on your customers? Yes, I am ripping your stupid statement about all these security issues Ensim has. People like you kill me. You post crap, then when challenged, you play the picked on role. Here is some advice, it will do you some good. If you are going to come to a public forum and post things like this:

and it creates entirely too MANY security risks

be ready to back it up. Sorry not everyone can be Jedi mind-tricked into believing everything posted.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord


Well new guy, if you are going to post blanket statements here and not back them up, you will have a fruitfull time here. Again. I am challenging you. Post all these security threats with Ensim. You said it. Now back it up. Either that or shut up and apolgize for posting crap.


I have to agree...making statements you do not know are true
and cannot prove only makes it harder for the thread starter
to wade through all the BS and make an intelligent decision
based on true advice and/or information.

Personally I think ensim is great, it may not have those little extras
that come with cpanel out of the box, but so much can be
done to customize ensim, including adding a package of pre-installed scripts, addon features, skins, etc.

What it comes down to with ensim is what the administrator
of the ensim server has implemented on top of the standard
features.

Some may only provide a standard ensim setup while others
provide more features than any other control panel offers.
look at http://ensimshop.com for an example.

Therefore it all depends on the hosting provider.

On a final note, wolfstream basically has no clue....:rolleyes:

as an example :


[root@secure /]# cd /home/virtual/site32/fst/etc/cron.d
[root@secure cron.d]# ls -la
total 12
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 26 17:55 .
drwxr-xr-x 16 root admin32 4096 Oct 7 00:45 ..
-rwxr-xr-x 1 admin32 admin32 67 Sep 27 07:33 newjob
[root@secure cron.d]#


Well...that looks like a cron job setup to run as the site admin,
and on an ensim server no less....now what were you saying ?


I'm not saying ANYONE's incompetent here ( a cron entry was added as root (because this is the only way it COULD be added) that shouldn't have been, BFD), I'm simply using that as an EXAMPLE of Ensim's (as stock) vulnerabilities, and security holes. [