Greetings,

United Colocation Group, Inc. is a San Francisco-based bandwidth service provider with fundings from venture and angel investors. We are pleased to offer the following dedicated server package (http://servers.unitedcolo.com/) to all WHT members --

Processor: Intel Celeron 1.7GHz w/256K Cache.
Memory: 512MB SDRAM (expandable to 2GB SDRAM)
Hard Drive: IBM 60GB EIDE 7200RPM
Control Panel: Webmin or Plesk v.5.0
IPs: Ten (10).
Installed Software: Apache, PERL 5, PHP 4, MySQL, Webalizer, phpMyAdmin, SSH, DNS, POP3, SMTP, and Webmail.
Network: Dual GigE (BGP-4) to Internap, Global Crossing, Genuity, UUNET, Qwest, Cable & Wireless, AT&T, Verio, and Sprint.
Download Test: http://download.unitedcolo.com/

Monthly Fee: $99.00
Setup Fee: $0.00
Data Transfer: 500GB (Burstable & No Cap 100Mbps).
Additional Traffic: $0.70 / GB
In Stock: YES

We look forward to hearing from you soon. For more information about this dedicated plan, please visit http://servers.unitedcolo.com/enterprise.htm.

Greetings,

United Colocation Group, Inc. is a San Francisco-based bandwidth service provider with fundings from venture and angel investors. We are pleased to offer the following dedicated server package (http://servers.unitedcolo.com/) to all WHT members --

Processor: Intel Celeron 1.7GHz w/256K Cache.
Memory: 512MB SDRAM (expandable to 2GB SDRAM)
Hard Drive: IBM 60GB EIDE 7200RPM
Control Panel: Webmin or Plesk v.5.0
IPs: Ten (10).
Installed Software: Apache, PERL 5, PHP 4, MySQL, Webalizer, phpMyAdmin, SSH, DNS, POP3, SMTP, and Webmail.
Network: Dual GigE (BGP-4) to Internap, Global Crossing, Genuity, UUNET, Qwest, Cable & Wireless, AT&T, Verio, and Sprint.
Download Test: http://download.unitedcolo.com/

Monthly Fee: $49.00
Setup Fee: $0.00
Data Transfer: 100GB (Burstable & No Cap 100Mbps).
Additional Traffic: $0.80 / GB
In Stock: YES

We look forward to hearing from you soon. Resellers are encouraged to join our company. For more information about this dedicated plan, please visit http://servers.unitedcolo.com/celeron.htm.


__________________
United Colocation Group, Inc.
Tier-1 Servers & Bandwidth Solutions
(888) 993-9339
www.unitedcolo.com

GREAT Deal you have there!

Again, great deal, but if you don't want to get banned, you better edit one of these ads out, it is one ad at a time.

If you have more than one plan you should ad them in the same thread.

Just a curtiousy note.

Thanks for information ljprevo. Our admin tried to delete this thread a few minutes ago, but he got an error message message saying his deletion attempt was not permitted.

Hi Moderator,

Our apology for the infraction of double postings. We were not able to delete the other thread. Can you assist?


Thank You.

wow, Internap bandwidth at that pricing.

Just edit the thread and delete it out.

I would use this $49 thread and add the $99 ad to this one.

Edit out the $99 thread and apologize or you may see some flames.

I have your site bookmarked. :D

How many plesk domains do you get with these servers?
Can you get extra IP's? if not free, how much?
How much for extra 40gig hdd/512mb?


:D

Hi VS- Lap,

The Plesk control panel comes with 1 domain license. Installation is free, but you'll need to buy additional license from Plesk directly. Additional IPs are available at $1.00 each in block of 10.

As for hardware upgrade, it's $150 for an additional 512MB SDRAM and $150.00 for 100GB EIDE 7200RPM HD.

Interesting offers... but what about cPanel? Do you offer it & how much?

This just sounds too good to be true...

how can I trust I'll actually get anything if I submit my CC#? Your SSL certificate was issued on the 15th (5 days ago!)...

For that price I'd be ordering a few servers every month!

Allright, how much extra for remote reboot? for cpanel?

And convince me of this: why are you/your company here to stay? (unlike some others?)....

Hi Argintxe,

UCG is primarily a bandwidth and colocation service provider. You'll need to purchase the Cpanel, Ensim, or Plesk license from each respective vendor.

Do you have Windows server?

Hi, this looks like a really great offer. I'm just kind of confused.
When I traceroute to you:

2 chi-edge-19.inet.qwest.net (63.237.33.33) 25.272 ms 9.628 ms 9.917 ms
3 chi-core-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.20.189) 13.673 ms * 34.692 ms
4 chi-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.20.173) 19.344 ms 11.737 ms 11.036 ms
5 svl-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.50) 72.933 ms * 65.312 ms
6 svl-edge-09.inet.qwest.net (205.171.14.94) 67.826 ms 65.231 ms *
7 * * internap-svl.qwest.net (63.145.224.2) 99.288 ms
8 border6.ge4-1-bbnet2.sfo.pnap.net (63.251.63.75) 84.336 ms * *
9 digitalwire-1.border6.sfo.pnap.net (63.251.61.230) 63.164 ms 72.459 ms *
10 GigE-9.sfo-core1.pnap.net (66.111.47.1) 72.760 ms 70.430 ms 69.198 ms
11 66.111.32.10 (66.111.32.10) 71.811 ms 71.796 ms *

It dosen't go through qwest eventhough you say you have a qwest line.

#2

Under you Network Infastructure you have the williams backbone map, but no where does it mention that you have a williams backbone connection?

#3

Do you just have an internap line and your listing all the providers internap buys from?

Hi Dhabets,

Yes, it's hard to believe Internap bandwidth can be offered at such a competitive prices but what you see advertised on our site is what'll you get. There's no contract so you can cancel at any time. Beside, most people spend more money on an NFL ticket than our Celeron server.

As for your question, Cpanel is not available and need to be purchased directly from the vendor. All servers have remote reboot but only authorized engineering staff have access to them.

The reason our SSL certificate was issued 5 days ago because we just completed testing our GigE connection to Internap. Our coporate customers normally pays in the 5 figures dollar amount so payment for them is usually done via wire transfer.

When you guys say "Internap®, UUNET®, Global Crossing®, Genuity®, AT&T®, Qwest®, Cable & Wireless®, NTT Verio® and Sprint".

Does that mean you guys have 8 GigE connections or do GlobalX, Genuity, ATT, Qwest, C&W, Verio and Sprint route to a GigE to Internap?

DK2's point of the network map is a bit strange.

Hi Dk2,

Internap is designed to select the most optimal route to reach our servers. So if you're near a UUNET pop, then you'll through UUNET instead of Qwest. Here;s a sample from UUNET in Virginia --

traceroute to unitedcolo.com (66.111.32.10), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 208.240.88.100 (208.240.88.100) 0.515 ms 0.454 ms 0.449 ms
2 63.101.250.2 (63.101.250.2) 0.214 ms 0.199 ms 0.424 ms
3 0.so-1-0-0.GW8.DCA8.ALTER.NET (157.130.58.62) 1.124 ms 1.102 ms 1.101 ms
4 101.at-0-1-0.XL2.DCA8.ALTER.NET (152.63.33.2) 1.305 ms 1.229 ms 1.356 ms
5 0.so-0-0-0.TL2.DCA6.ALTER.NET (152.63.38.73) 1.709 ms 2.069 ms 1.855 ms
6 0.so-7-0-0.TL2.SCL2.ALTER.NET (152.63.1.69) 82.168 ms 81.968 ms 82.384 ms
7 0.so-7-0-0.XL2.SFO4.ALTER.NET (152.63.54.130) 83.212 ms 83.529 ms 83.252 ms
8 POS4-0.XR2.SFO4.ALTER.NET (152.63.55.70) 83.924 ms 83.341 ms 83.381 ms
9 190.ATM6-0.GW4.SFO4.ALTER.NET (152.63.48.189) 83.196 ms 83.234 ms 83.317 ms
10 internap-gw.customer.alter.net (157.130.205.202) 84.051 ms 84.137 ms 83.729 ms
11 border6.ge4-1-bbnet2.sfo.pnap.net (63.251.63.75) 76.519 ms 76.130 ms 76.423 ms
12 digitalwire-1.border6.sfo.pnap.net (63.251.61.230) 84.812 ms 88.180 ms 84.372 ms
13 GigE-9.sfo-core1.pnap.net (66.111.47.1) 83.913 ms 84.027 ms 84.199 ms
14 66.111.32.10 (66.111.32.10) 86.075 ms 85.734 ms 85.801 ms

And here's from Equinix VA (Ashburn) -- http://nitrous.digex.net/cgi-bin/looking_glass.pl


Tracing the route to unitedcolo.com (66.111.32.10)

1 dca1-core12-pos2-0.atlas.algx.net (165.117.68.193) [MPLS: Label 12888 Exp 0] 4 msec 0 msec 4 msec
2 dca1-core11-pos6-3.atlas.algx.net (165.117.63.113) 0 msec 4 msec 0 msec
3 dca6-core3-pos4-0.atlas.algx.net (165.117.48.78) [MPLS: Label 1782 Exp 0] 4 msec 8 msec 4 msec
4 dca6-core2-pos6-0.atlas.algx.net (165.117.48.109) [MPLS: Label 14097 Exp 0] 4 msec 4 msec 4 msec
5 dca6-core1-pos6-0.atlas.algx.net (165.117.48.101) 8 msec 4 msec 4 msec
6 dca6-glbx.peer.algx.net (165.117.53.50) 4 msec 4 msec 8 msec
7 pos2-0-155M.cr1.WDC2.gblx.net (208.178.174.53) [AS 3549] 4 msec 4 msec 8 msec
8 pos1-0-622M.cr1.SFO1.gblx.net (206.132.110.122) [AS 3549] 72 msec 72 msec 72 msec
9 pos0-0-0-155M.ar1.SFO1.gblx.net (206.132.110.130) [AS 3549] 72 msec 72 msec 72 msec
10 InterNAPSanFrancisco.pos10-0-0.ar1.SFO1.gblx.net (64.209.88.54) [AS 3549] 72 msec 72 msec 72 msec
11 border6.ge4-1-bbnet2.sfo.pnap.net (63.251.63.75) [AS 14743] 72 msec 72 msec 76 msec
12 digitalwire-1.border6.sfo.pnap.net (63.251.61.230) [AS 14743] 72 msec 72 msec 72 msec
13 GigE-9.sfo-core1.pnap.net (66.111.47.1) [AS 22427] 72 msec 72 msec 72 msec
14 unitedcolo.com (66.111.32.10) [AS 22427] 72 msec 72 msec 76 msec

So you just buy from internap correct?

"So you just buy from internap correct?"

If that's the case you guys really should reword the network page. It sounds like you have 9 GigEs instead of having a single Internap GigE that peers with 8 providers.

Hi DK2,

That's correct. Our customers get full access to eight Tier-1 providers for a starting price of just $49.00 per month. That's why Internap is considered premium bandwidth because it's blended with top global backbones.

By the way, our main site is behind a firewall. To get the best result of for ping and traceroute test, use 66.111.33.253

Hi Hotice007,

Sorry, but we only have RedHat 7.3 and FreeBSD 4.6 at this time. If you want to send us your MS license, we'll install it for free.


Best Regards.

This does look like a great offer. Do I understand it correctly that your basic server cost the same $49/mth even with Win2000 installed ? Are the installed program the same ?

I actually need one for some software testing and perhaps some deployment on the Win2K environment. The price does seems right too.

Just ordered one of these....can't pass up this good of an offer.

Can't wait!

How much are additional IP's?
APC Remote reboot port?

Matt

Hi Eddy 2009,

Sorry, but W2K is not available at this time. Only RedHat 7.3 and FreeBSD 4.6 servers are set for activiation. However, just send us your WS License and we'll install it free of charge.


Best Regards.

Just ordered one... I'll let y'all know how it works out.
Great deal BTW!

Hi Matt,

Additional IPs are available for $1.00 each per month in block of 10. All servers have remote reboot capability but only authorized engineering staff have access to them.


Best Regards.

Where's the data center located?

Hi Matt,

We least facility space from Wave Exchange LLC. The address is 200 Paul Avenue in San Francisco. It is one of the largest IDC on the West Coast.

this is the best offer i have seen. I am going to order one now ;)

Not bad,

2 161.58.156.172 (161.58.156.172) 0.370 ms 0.320 ms 0.309 ms
3 ge-1-3-0.r00.stngva01.us.bb.verio.net (129.250.27.190) 0.441 ms 0.425 ms 0.442 ms
4 p16-6-0-0.r01.asbnva01.us.bb.verio.net (129.250.2.75) 1.164 ms 1.102 ms 1.137 ms
5 p4-0.sprint.asbnva01.us.bb.verio.net (129.250.9.2) 1.144 ms 1.007 ms 0.999 ms
6 sl-bb25-rly-15-3.sprintlink.net (144.232.20.4) 14.787 ms 3.077 ms 2.882 ms
7 sl-bb21-sj-5-3.sprintlink.net (144.232.20.91) 71.981 ms 72.139 ms 71.942 ms
8 sl-gw13-sj-10-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.3.174) 71.728 ms 71.764 ms 71.689 ms
9 sl-internap-56-0-155M.sprintlink.net (160.81.100.2) 68.603 ms 68.738 ms 68.731 ms
10 border6.ge3-1-bbnet1.sfo.pnap.net (63.251.63.11) 68.858 ms 68.417 ms 68.672 ms
11 digitalwire-1.border6.sfo.pnap.net (63.251.61.230) 68.376 ms 69.037 ms 68.439 ms
12 GigE-9.sfo-core1.pnap.net (66.111.47.1) 68.690 ms 68.320 ms 68.311 ms
13 www.unitedcolo.com (66.111.32.10) 69.566 ms 68.492 ms 68.510 ms

Is possible to buy the BW by Mbit?

Hi SHap3,

Yes, we do sell bandwidth by MBits starting at 10Mbps for $499.00. Please be advised though that it will be capped (unmetered) instead of full burstability.


Best Regards.

erh..... try to order one but the link for order doesn't work.... :(

Can I talk you by ICQ? mine is 8502664... :)

BTW, will I be able to upgrade to the 500GB pack if I am getting more people? :)

Sincerely

Originally posted by SHap3
erh..... try to order one but the link for order doesn't work.... :(

Can I talk you by ICQ? mine is 8502664... :)

BTW, will I be able to upgrade to the 500GB pack if I am getting more people? :)

Sincerely

just remove the dot (.) at the end of the link

http://servers.unitedcolo.com/celeron.htm

Hi SHap3,

Please try again. We've been receiving orders throughout this evening without any problem.


Best Regards,

How long does it take you to setup the server? If I make an order now when do I expect the server to be ready? ;)

Hi Dedicated,

We can have your server ready by tomorrow afternoon after our accounting department has confirmed payment.

mh.. I didn't mean by connecting to the page... I mean to connect to the order link(secure.unitedcolo.com/xxxxxx).. I get timeout...

BTW, you didn't answer the question, will I be able to change it to the 500GB plan later at the same price?(the 99 bucks one).

Sincerely

Emailed, waiting for reply.

You have AIM. MSN or ICQ?

Hey there... Sounds great...

I'm in the bay area. Mind if I drop by sometime for a visit? If so, who should I contact for a quick tour?

mike<at>m2wh<dot>com

Hi M2WH,

Your visit is definitely welcomed. We always enjoy meeting customers instead of email or telephone.


Best Regards.

I am even interesed in personally getting one of these.

Give me some info on support.

24/7, costs and what not.

Is this mulithomed, as a another carrier other then nap

Hi JBIZ718,

Basic 24/7 support is free. For more complex task, the fee is $50.00 per hour with 1 hour minimum. Our connection to Internap is multi-homed and our engineering team is currently working on setting a direct and separate GigE connection to PAIX.

can you reply to my email as i am keen to get one today.

also any other contact info?

Do you have any instant messaging access.... I'd like to ask you a couple of questions regarding other services you provide... thanks

Hi iKiwi.net,

Can you tell us the subject line of your email. Our inbox was cleared about 5 minutes ago. You can also pm us as well.


Best Regards.

Hi M2WH,

Sorry, but AIM and ICQ are not available at this time. Please pm us on WHT, call or send us an email.


Best Regards.

Ermm.... Your site is down for me in the UK, also cant ping the IP you gave, just says "Request Timed Out" . Are you Down?

Regards
Ben

Hi Ben,

It might be your ISP. We have no report of connectivity problem on our side. Here is trace from SamSpade.org --

3 130.152.180.21 2.572 ms isi-1-lngw2-atm.ln.net [AS226] Los Nettos origin AS
4 4.24.4.249 9.082 ms gigabitethernet5-0.lsanca1-cr3.bbnplanet.net [AS1] GTE Internetworking
5 4.24.4.2 7.566 ms p6-0.lsanca1-cr6.bbnplanet.net [AS1] GTE Internetworking
6 4.24.5.49 9.519 ms p6-0.lsanca2-br1.bbnplanet.net [AS1] GTE Internetworking
7 4.24.5.58 10.669 ms p15-0.snjpca1-br1.bbnplanet.net [AS1] GTE Internetworking
8 4.24.7.62 10.959 ms p2-0.paix-bi1.bbnplanet.net [AS1] GTE Internetworking
9 4.0.6.101 11.189 ms p6-0.paloalto-nbr2.bbnplanet.net [AS1] GTE Internetworking
10 4.0.6.78 11.333 ms p1-0.paloalto-cr2.bbnplanet.net [AS1] GTE Internetworking
11 4.0.26.86 64.551 ms h1-0-0.internap31.bbnplanet.net [AS1] GTE Internetworking
12 63.251.63.11 27.752 ms border6.ge3-1-bbnet1.sfo.pnap.net (DNS error) [AS14743] Unknown
13 63.251.61.230 167.057 ms digitalwire-1.border6.sfo.pnap.net (DNS error) [AS14743] Unknown
14 66.111.47.1 15.742 ms GigE-9.sfo-core1.pnap.net (DNS error)
15 66.111.32.10 16.190 ms www.unitedcolo.com


From Tracert.com --

1 64.29.16.1 (64.29.16.1) 1.630 ms 1.582 ms 1.528 ms
2 216.87.220.13 (216.87.220.13) 0.600 ms 0.587 ms 0.532 ms
3 tpa-edge-10.inet.qwest.net (65.123.238.33) 18.167 ms 17.889 ms 17.814 ms
4 tpa-core-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.27.105) 17.581 ms 17.632 ms 17.546 ms
5 iah-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.5.106) 31.885 ms 32.271 ms 32.348 ms
6 svl-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.129) 73.235 ms 72.871 ms 73.906 ms
7 svl-edge-09.inet.qwest.net (205.171.14.94) 72.864 ms 72.996 ms 72.845 ms
8 internap-svl.qwest.net (63.145.224.2) 78.547 ms 78.067 ms 78.038 ms
9 border6.ge3-1-bbnet1.sfo.pnap.net (63.251.63.11) 78.311 ms 78.456 ms 78.050 ms
10 digitalwire-1.border6.sfo.pnap.net (63.251.61.230) 78.271 ms 82.029 ms 79.310 ms
11 GigE-9.sfo-core1.pnap.net (66.111.47.1) 78.143 ms 78.602 ms 78.406 ms
12 www.unitedcolo.com (66.111.32.10) 80.016 ms 79.181 ms 79.229 ms

From MAE-EAST Looking Glass -- http://nitrous.digex.net/cgi-bin/looking_glass.pl

1 dca10-core1-so-6-0-0.atlas.algx.net (165.117.69.93) 20 msec 24 msec 4 msec
2 dca10-core2-so-0-1-0-0.atlas.algx.net (165.117.192.46) 16 msec 0 msec 4 msec
3 dca6-core4-pos5-0.atlas.algx.net (165.117.56.25) [MPLS: Label 14015 Exp 0] 8 msec 8 msec 12 msec
4 jfk3-core4-pos5-0.atlas.algx.net (165.117.48.34) [MPLS: Label 13864 Exp 0] 8 msec 8 msec 8 msec
5 jfk3-core3-pos6-0.atlas.algx.net (165.117.48.169) 8 msec 12 msec 8 msec
6 so3-2-1-144M.br1.JFK1.gblx.net (208.51.113.25) [AS 3549] 8 msec 8 msec 12 msec
7 pos2-0-2488M.cr1.JFK1.gblx.net (64.214.65.213) [AS 3549] 8 msec 8 msec 8 msec
8 pos0-0-622M.cr1.SFO1.gblx.net (206.132.110.94) [AS 3549] 72 msec 72 msec 72 msec
9 pos0-0-0-155M.ar1.SFO1.gblx.net (206.132.110.130) [AS 3549] 72 msec 72 msec 68 msec
10 InterNAPSanFrancisco.pos10-0-0.ar1.SFO1.gblx.net (64.209.88.54) [AS 3549] 72 msec 68 msec 72 msec
11 border6.ge3-1-bbnet1.sfo.pnap.net (63.251.63.11) [AS 14743] 72 msec 72 msec 72 msec
12 digitalwire-1.border6.sfo.pnap.net (63.251.61.230) [AS 14743] 72 msec 72 msec 72 msec
13 GigE-9.sfo-core1.pnap.net (66.111.47.1) [AS 22427] 72 msec 72 msec 72 msec
14 unitedcolo.com (66.111.32.10) [AS 22427] 72 msec 72 msec 72 msec

I'm interested. Email me with details.

debra@biz4less.com

Hi Debra,

Our sales staff is available to answer all your questions between 9:00 am -- 6:00 pm (PST). For now, all pertinent information are available at servers.unitedcolo.com


Best Regards.

What is your street address so that I can drop by and see your operation before purchasing?

Is it 100GB actual bandwidth or based on 95% rule?

Hi Chris,

Our address is 200 Paul Avenue in San Francisco. -- http://www.unitedcolo.com/contact.htm


Best Regards.

Hi Prezmek,

Our bandwidth package is based on actual transfer -- not 95th percentile. You get full 100Mbps burstability and no cap.


Best Regards.

Can you install suEXEC, and is there a charge for that?

Hi Chris,

We'll need to ask our senior tech to determine the time required for this task. If it's less than 15 minutes, we'll install it free of charge.

OK. Also, I thought you said you'd been in business a few years. Then why was your domain name just registered around the 1st of June, 2002?

I email sales@ "$49 server"

Very nice deal indeed. Best I have ever seem at WHT. Got any pictures for your facility??

Is does sound like a great deal. Are these managed or unmanaged servers?

Hi Chris,

UCG formally open for business this summer with the Bandwidth & Co-location operations launching after labor day. We're not sure who told you about a few years.

Originally posted by Eiv
Very nice deal indeed. Best I have ever seem at WHT.
Best deal I've seen in here too. This will blow Rackshack right out of the water! :)

Hi Chris,

Our servers are semi-managed. We do what we can (for free) to assist each customer with their respective endeavors. For complex / managed task, UCG can refer you to with several leading consultancy firm in San Francisco for thes tasks.

Hi Eiv,

UCG leases facility space at from Wave Exchange. The address is 200 Paul Avenue in San Francisco. It is one of the largest IDC on the West Coast. Pictures are available at http://colocation.unitedcolo.com/

Best Regards.

Lets say I apply for the $49 server and later on I want to change to the $99. Is there a charge to switch plans?

Thanks again for your reply, UCG. Can you hold me one of those $49 servers for 2-3 days while I consider it? Can you give this old man of 49, a senior discount? (just kidding). Speaking of old, it's almost 6 AM here and time for me to go to bed. Good nite all.

Just ordered one, I'll let you all know how it went :)

I just ordered one as well, if it goes good, I'll start colocating my servers with them! :)

You have logos of Juniper, Cisco, Fedex, Handspring, Liberate, Agere, Novell, e.piphany and Agilent on your site. They are just floating around - can you tell me what connection they have to your company? thanks

You said earlier that your connection to internap is multi homed.

Internap is a multi homed carrier in its ownself. Besides internap, what are your other connections.

Seems kind of too good to be true, but I can definitely use a dedicated server for my rapidly expanding free non-hardcore adult site. Will you host sites with mature content such as mine?

What he is offering is IMPOSSIBLE! Not even Bill Gate can sustain this kind of price for long!

Originally posted by Moose
What he is offering is IMPOSSIBLE! Not even Bill Gate can sustain this kind of price for long!

We'll see :) I got me one.....can't wait!

BTW, its probably a special and will end soon anyway....calm down. ;)

Are you guys related to efreeservers? The sites looks just like efreeservers before they got bought out.

Mike i posted about that exact fact a few mins before you posted this, look in the Dedicated Server Forum

Regards
Ben

Can you tell us the situation with your stock on your servers? Might be interested in getting 2,3 or 4 at once!

can we get cpanel/WHM on it?

Hi iKiwi,

Yes, you can install Cpanel/WHM or any other software that you own legally.

Hi Laughing Cow,

We currently have 200 Celeron and 50 Pentium IV servers available for activation. Looking forward to doing business with you.


Best Regards.

Hi WebmastTroy & Moose,

The $49 / month pricing is indefinite for the foreseeable future. We can assure you and all WHT members that this is no sales gimmick. What you see advertised on our site is what you'll get.


Best Regards.

Hi Theater,

Adult / mature contents are allowed on our network as long as the materials are legal.


Best Regards.

United Colocation Group, Inc. is a San Francisco-based bandwidth service provider with fundings from venture and angel investors.


just out of curiosity.... in times like these... how'd you get Venture Capital after all.. and what are/were the major institutional investors in united.colo?


cheers,
-jbb

btw: i ordered one of these $49 servers too... we'll see what happens :)

UCG Inc,

Do you accept paypal?

Thanks :)

Hi JBB,

It's definitely a tough market to raise any amount of money. We spent quite a bit of time this summer talking to various investors about our business model. As for their names, we are not at liberty to disclose that information at this time. A new website in the future will have a complete profile.


Best Regards.

6 POS1-0.hsipaccess1.SanJose1.Level3.net (209.247.159.109) 4.142 ms 3.123 ms 3.563 ms
7 gigabitethernet3-0.core2.SanJose1.Level3.net (64.159.2.6) 3.454 ms 3.513 ms 3.086 ms
8 4.0.1.69 (4.0.1.69) 4.513 ms 4.215 ms 4.068 ms
9 p6-0.paloalto-nbr1.bbnplanet.net (4.0.6.97) 3.916 ms 5.665 ms 4.288 ms
10 p4-0.paloalto-nbr2.bbnplanet.net (4.0.5.66) 3.957 ms 3.615 ms 4.732 ms
11 p1-0.paloalto-cr2.bbnplanet.net (4.0.6.78) 4.098 ms 3.853 ms 3.945 ms
12 h1-0-0.internap31.bbnplanet.net (4.0.26.86) 8.008 ms 8.360 ms 8.235 ms
13 border6.ge4-1-bbnet2.sfo.pnap.net (63.251.63.75) 9.454 ms 8.500 ms 7.938 ms
14 digitalwire-1.border6.sfo.pnap.net (63.251.61.230) 9.333 ms 8.706 ms 8.486 ms
15 GigE-9.sfo-core1.pnap.net (66.111.47.1) 8.831 ms 8.633 ms 8.096 ms
16 www.unitedcolo.com (66.111.32.10) 9.289 ms 8.809 ms 8.335 ms


amazing.... I'll be getting in touch with you guys soon.

wow ... really an amazing deal! :)

hrm.
just tried the testfile .... i do wonder why the hell it's that SLOW!

Virginia 100mbit:
12:03:57 (120.25 KB/s) - `plesk.exe' saved [2953788/2953788]

Visuallink.com, 100mbit:
18:13:40 (46.91 KB/s) - `plesk.exe.1' saved [2953788/2953788]

huh? what's that?!
anyonelse noticed slow speeds?

greets,

Hi BigWill,

Our log files show and extremely large amount of concurrent downloads a few minutes ago. If anyone is interested in a private URL to our new download test file, just send us a pm.


Best Regards.

*coughs* ;)

I ordered :s

I signed up too... I'll post on any findings

have this wierd voice in my head saying "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is" but I went for it anyway :)

can't find much info on their site, but Im keeping my fingers crossed this works out

Originally posted by BiGWill
hrm.
just tried the testfile .... i do wonder why the hell it's that SLOW!

Virginia 100mbit:
12:03:57 (120.25 KB/s) - `plesk.exe' saved [2953788/2953788]

Visuallink.com, 100mbit:
18:13:40 (46.91 KB/s) - `plesk.exe.1' saved [2953788/2953788]

huh? what's that?!
anyonelse noticed slow speeds?

greets,

I noticed it since yesterday night, around mid night. But i was downloading from the east coast, hence it may explain the slow doanload speed. Note: download speed is also a measure of distance, the further away you are, the slower it will be ... Not sure whether that speed is normal though.

tapster, I hear it too! But looking forward to being proved wrong :)

Anyone got an idea of why I can't access the order page (don't resolve) while other people can order?

this one works for me...

https://secure.unitedcolo.com/servers/celeron_order.htm

Originally posted by Tox
Anyone got an idea of why I can't access the order page (don't resolve) while other people can order?

It'll be resolved as soon as your ISP dns update, I guess they just set it up not long ago.

If there's anyone that has ordered and received the server, please keep us posted. If anyone has visited their datacenter, please tell us what you saw there :D

Althou I've skimmed the thread a bit... I'll pose a question.

How do you monitor bandwidth usage?
Actual, Average or 95% :)

Originally posted by twrs
If there's anyone that has ordered and received the server, please keep us posted. If anyone has visited their datacenter, please tell us what you saw there :D

I think mine will be up shortly (hopefully) ;), will keep you updated, has anyone got any of the UUmap file link I can do a file download test?

Originally posted by DanielP
Althou I've skimmed the thread a bit... I'll pose a question.

How do you monitor bandwidth usage?
Actual, Average or 95% :) says in their tos, average mbps / 8 * 60 * 60 * 24 * 30.5

I can't get to http://servers.unitedcolo.com/ or any of your subdomain links.

From a 10Mbps un-metered Verio server.

100%[===================================>] 1,136,101 449.18K/s ETA 00:00

14:27:52 (449.18 KB/s) - `vim-X11-6.1-2.i386.rpm.1' saved [1136101/1136101]

Althought they file is too small to be a proper speed test, the result is pretty impressive.

This is about the same speed to fastservers.net (he.net) servers, but unitedcolo has about 10ms ping less than fastservers from eastcoast.

Originally posted by DanielP
Althou I've skimmed the thread a bit... I'll pose a question.

How do you monitor bandwidth usage?
Actual, Average or 95% :)

I would say it is actual because in their plan description is says:

No 95th Percentile Rule.

Question: If we get two-three servers with a mix of Windows and Linux, are they on the same network and can they share information?

For example, can I put a stats + email server on a Windows machine, php on a linux and MySQL on the third and get them all working together?

Thanks
Abbas

I'm on pins and needles to see how people who got one here like it. I even came out of lurker mode to ask.

I've been waiting for 12 hours and I'll let everyone to test it out as soon as It's ready. :)

I have been waiting more then 12 hours and still no news

I bet they've got more than 50+ orders in last 12 hours, but most of them just wanted to "try" it out ;)

also, if anyone want to use cpanel license on their server which they're not offering atm, you may want to pm to me ;)

That $49 deal looks sweet, but I am afraid it could bring a rash of startup $10 a year unlimited host. :D

The $0.80 per gig does not look really bad either. :)

Originally posted by ljprevo
The $0.80 per gig does not look really bad either. :)

everything looks great, except if you colocate your server with them, their space is pretty expensive for colo.

OK, someone please update us as soon as you get one of their servers working, and give us your URL to try. Thanks.

Glad to see you Dave from FluidHosting post about it. I was wondering what you thought about it, since you have Internap bandwidth? You think it's legit?

A d/l of the new speed test file from a 100mbit server on a qwest line:
18:44:12 (656.11 KB/s) - `vim-X11-6.1-2.i386.rpm' saved [1136101/1136101]
I have to disagree with Hostany Web...
i don't think these are good results, considering it's Internap bandwidth!

greets,

I would agree. Internap should be able to pull alot more speed then that.

Originally posted by BiGWill
A d/l of the new speed test file from a 100mbit server on a qwest line:
18:44:12 (656.11 KB/s) - `vim-X11-6.1-2.i386.rpm' saved [1136101/1136101]
I have to disagree with Hostany Web...
i don't think these are good results, considering it's Internap bandwidth!

greets,

You can't really do a speed test with a 1Meg files and say it isn't a good result...

A proper speed test should have at very least 15-50 megs in order to let the connection run at the max speed, althought I might be wrong.

sure, but even though it's just 1mb it should atleast make it's way up to sth. around 1mb/s (could be my end, sure .... but i tested it on severall machines on big backbones .... and it was all the same) for example:
Visuallink.com, UUnet:
01:05:32 (286.02 KB/s) - `vim-X11-6.1-2.i386.rpm' saved [1136101/1136101] (had over 5mbit/s here in good times ...)

well, wait until my server online and we can tell :D

their speed test servers are getting hammered.

Originally posted by chrisb
Glad to see you Dave from FluidHosting post about it. I was wondering what you thought about it, since you have Internap bandwidth? You think it's legit?

Everything looks legit :) Traceroute from our servers to theirs go through our Internap Border Router via BBN/Genuity and stays there before it went to their Internap's Border Router and to their server. Can't complain about it :) Now what I want to know is not the incoming bandwith, but how they route their outgoing bandwith, will it still be via internap?

I guess if they really buy a GigE from internap, then their bandwith cost does really fall down. It's just hard for me to see how they will make money with only selling around 2-300 of servers.

Regarding the speed test, I can't say anything much since I was downloading all the way acrooss the US. But if somebody would like to compare it with our connection, feel free to download it from http://www.fluidhosting.com/uumap.tar.Z . I would like to see what people get from west coast :) But since the download speed does really vary with distance, it won't tell you much about their network (or ours).

But anyway, really good offer and I wish them the best.

Originally posted by BiGWill
A d/l of the new speed test file from a 100mbit server on a qwest line:
18:44:12 (656.11 KB/s) - `vim-X11-6.1-2.i386.rpm' saved [1136101/1136101]
I have to disagree with Hostany Web...
i don't think these are good results, considering it's Internap bandwidth!

greets,

It's hard to make a fair comparison. Distance does matter. From my network, I can download ftp://ftp.uu.net/uumap.tar.Z (in Virginia, east coast) at 3 Mega Bytes per second (24 mbps) typical (or more). But it does not mean somebody else in West coast can download it at the same rate, eventhough they are inside UUNet network.


ftp> get uumap.tar.Z
local: uumap.tar.Z remote: uumap.tar.Z
227 Entering Passive Mode (192,48,96,9,139,18)
150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for uumap.tar.Z (8520221 bytes).
100% |**************************************************| 8320 KB 00:00 ETA
226 Transfer complete.
8520221 bytes received in 2.30 seconds (3.53 MB/s)
ftp>



Something to think about.

I get about 65k from chicago on a dsl line.

I have a interesting story behind all this, but before i go into great detail, I want to make sure all my info is correct.

Originally posted by JBIZ718
I get about 65k from chicago on a dsl line.


I was expecting something more than a DSL :) Is that 65Kbps or 65KBps? 65Kbps does seem too low.

I have a interesting story behind all this, but before i go into great detail, I want to make sure all my info is correct. [/B]

waiting patiently :)

All im going to say about the issue is do not be suprised if your outbound bandwidth is cogent based.

Look for bandwidth from a company from Digital Wireworks thats been in business for less then 1 month, and also Internap light or Surepath.

I have more info on the issue, but do not want to go much further on it.

This is on a 10mbps verio server on east coast.

wget http://www.fluidhosting.com/uumap.tar.Z
--19:33:49-- http://www.fluidhosting.com/uumap.tar.Z
=> `uumap.tar.Z'
Resolving www.fluidhosting.com... done.
Connecting to www.fluidhosting.com[66.150.201.71]:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 8,520,221 [application/x-tar]

100%[============================================================>] 8,520,221 564.37K/s ETA 00:00

19:34:04 (564.37 KB/s) - `uumap.tar.Z' saved [8520221/8520221]


Anyone know how to trace what are the outbound bandwidth provider?

we would need to see it from a server there

yeh i guess so..

Originally posted by Hostany Web
19:34:04 (564.37 KB/s) - `uumap.tar.Z' saved [8520221/8520221]


Not bad for somebody in the west coast :) Now try to download that file from uunet. Then everybody will see that download rate does vary with distance. :)

[Anyone know how to trace what are the outbound bandwidth?

Can't do it unless you are tracerouting out from within their network :)

/me is waiting for the story behind ... that will light the shadow :D
anyway ... even if the outgoing traffic would be cogent ... the offer would be still very competitive!!!

greets,

It's actully on east coast,

wget ftp://ftp.uu.net/uumap.tar.Z
--19:57:30-- ftp://ftp.uu.net/uumap.tar.Z
=> `uumap.tar.Z'
Resolving ftp.uu.net... done.
Connecting to ftp.uu.net[192.48.96.9]:21... connected.
Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
==> SYST ... done. ==> PWD ... done.
==> TYPE I ... done. ==> CWD not needed.
==> PORT ... done. ==> RETR uumap.tar.Z ... done.
Length: 8,520,221 (unauthoritative)

100%[============================================================>] 8,520,221 798.82K/s ETA 00:00

19:57:43 (798.82 KB/s) - `uumap.tar.Z' saved [8520221]

Originally posted by FHDave


Not bad for somebody in the west coast :) Now try to download that file from uunet. Then everybody will see that download rate does vary with distance. :)



Can't do it unless you are tracerouting out from within their network :)

Originally posted by BiGWill
/me is waiting for the story behind ... that will light the shadow :D
anyway ... even if the outgoing traffic would be cogent ... the offer would be still very competitive!!!

greets,


I ageed, I'm actully planning to colo, but I'll some more time to plan it out. :)

It strikes me as very odd that their order form is nothing more than a formmail! :confused:

But I ordered anyway!

Hopefully, everything works out well!

Just private messaged them, o/s restores are free! :blush:
I only quoted FreeBSD though, not sure about others.

says free reboot on the site :)

http://servers.unitedcolo.com/celeron.htm

I called them earlier, and they sound busy... they said they'd try and get my server up today though

i think before we go further we should get what outbound transfer is

Originally posted by JBIZ718
i think before we go further we should get what outbound transfer is

Just messaged them, their reply;

--------------------------------
Re: Server
Dear VS-Lap,

We use Internap for both inbound / outbound traffic.


Best Regards.

---------------------------------

I would be interested in seeing some stats from new customers.

Originally posted by FHDave

But if somebody would like to compare it with our connection, feel free to download it from http://www.fluidhosting.com/uumap.tar.Z . I would like to see what people get from west coast :)

this is from hostmania (texas) on internap to fluidhosting
17:07:59 (633.99 KB/s) - `uumap.tar.Z' saved [8520221/8520221]

ill get the link to unitedcolo speed test and tell you in a few

This is getting interesting. I gotta go tell Aussie Bob, and see what he thinks. :)

I have one up now.

alright
this is from them:
18:04:44 (1020.67 KB/s) - `vim-X11-6.1-2.i386.rpm' saved [1136101/1136101]

you got one? cool!
give us some traceroutes to the outside world :)
so we can clarify that cogent rumor ...
e.g. www.nac.net or www.rackshack.net, www.servint.com and so on ....

greets,

i get 187ms ping from NZ, most US server are at least 200ms+ for me!

hi.. whoa.. what a good deal.. i want to pay via money order.. and i want to get like say 32 ips.. how much would that cost in total and where would i mail it to? email me the reply please.. thanks (secure@fawker.net)

What kind of boxes are these $49 offers? white boxes? raqs?

Also, UCG, did you ask your tech yet about installing suEXEC for me. I could probably do it, but I've never installed it before, and would rather have someone who has done it before install it.

So, has anyone actually gotten their server yet from these guys?

if so, could you post what server you bought, how much, and traceroute a site like www.webhostingtalk.com

so we can see what the outgoing routes are.

also, could you download ftp://ftp.uu.net/uumap.tar.Z onto your server, and show results.

this seems too good to be true.

Originally posted by chrisb
What kind of boxes are these $49 offers? white boxes? raqs?

Also, UCG, did you ask your tech yet about installing suEXEC for me. I could probably do it, but I've never installed it before, and would rather have someone who has done it before install it.

Private message them, they seem to respond to them quicker. Sent them email about 20 hours ago, no response. But they have been responding to private messages though.

Originally posted by clocker1996
So, has anyone actually gotten their server yet from these guys?

if so, could you post what server you bought, how much, and traceroute a site like www.webhostingtalk.com

so we can see what the outgoing routes are.

also, could you download ftp://ftp.uu.net/uumap.tar.Z onto your server, and show results.

this seems too good to be true.

I don't know why but the whole hostmania thread keeps flashing before my eyes:confused:

What I want to know is who are the people behind this business? Names, ages, experience, references etc..

I can only access their main page and nothing else.

Is it me or is there something wrong?

seems to be you

Same with me. Cannot get to contact page or order page or anything else they all time out

Nah...everything works fine for me!

I ordered and they sent me an email saying they have received a lot of requests so setup time will be within 72 hours. Lets see if they can match that!

Well, I can't really afford one of these $49 servers; but it is sure an interesting offer.

I didnt need a server, bought it just to check them out! Might use it for backups or something.

$49, thats half of my home cable connection I pay for :stickout

just called to find out whats going on since I was told the server would be up tonight.

They said they sent out e-mails with an update an hour ago. I didn't get one.

I was told the setup people would be back tomorrow afternoon/early evening and sunday morning. They hope to have the servers up by Monday.

Lets see...

Originally posted by chrisb
This is getting interesting. I gotta go tell Aussie Bob, and see what he thinks. :)
Aussie Bob says they're at the beginning stages of their business model - VC $$$$ in the bank - need customers asap - must hit targets - cheap prices - establish business - get momemtum - must become cashflow positive in X months.

So in this time period, pricing will be very favourable. They'll run a negative cashflow using the VC $$$ to make up the difference. Then slowly ease into profitability with an expanding client base [possible price lifts] and hopefully a positive cashflow. Investors must get their ROI. :)

Looks good Chris. What have you got to lose? I take it they give money back guarantees?? Take a shot. Let us know how you go. :)

Damn hell ... $49 servers :cartman:
and I just bought a Canon EOS 50 last week :(

hrm... do you want some logos? :D
I think you need a better website too... :rolleyes:

Regards

Originally posted by M2WH
They said they sent out e-mails with an update an hour ago. I didn't get one.

nor did I, but they did reply to my email and PM. I guess they are overwhelmed by the response :) this is what I got :

Due to the volume of new orders currently in the pipeline, your server will be available within 72 hours. An account executive will contact you again with complete login information.

I'm in no rush at this price, and they seem quite friendly all in all. I will post when I get any other news

Thats what I got as well and I didnt have to email them for it! Got it about 30 minutes after I placed my offer. What I find most disturbing is their order form!

got my server (the $49 one) ~ 10 hours ago.. but since I am sick/ill.. I couldn't do any thorough tests yesterday :\


here are some traces:


traceroute to www.webhostingtalk.com (207.218.223.148), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 66.111.xxx.xxx (66.111.xxx.xxx) 0.276 ms 0.185 ms 0.169 ms
2 66.111.47.2 (66.111.47.2) 0.492 ms 0.332 ms 0.308 ms
3 g4.ba21.b003070-1.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.250.7.65) 2.254 ms 2.232 ms 2.186 ms
4 g1-5.core01.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.66.249) 2.451 ms 2.236 ms 2.167 ms
5 p15-0.core02.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.70) 2.528 ms 2.057 ms 2.298 ms
6 p14-0.core02.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.133) 53.612 ms 53.839 ms 53.821 ms
7 p15-0.core01.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.25) 53.957 ms 54.250 ms 53.798 ms
8 p13-0.core01.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.98) 58.195 ms 58.995 ms 58.685 ms
9 g8.ba21.b000605-0.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.66.238) 59.411 ms 57.690 ms 57.724 ms
10 Everyones-Internet.demarc.cogentco.com (66.28.28.210) 55.673 ms 55.387 ms 55.612 ms
11 207.218.223.17 (207.218.223.17) 57.637 ms !X 58.026 ms !X 57.295 ms !X




traceroute to sf.net (216.136.171.196), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 66.111.xxx.x (66.111.xxx.x) 0.244 ms 0.186 ms 0.172 ms
2 66.111.47.2 (66.111.47.2) 0.702 ms 0.333 ms 20.251 ms
3 63.251.61.229 (63.251.61.229) 0.738 ms 0.929 ms 0.545 ms
4 63.251.63.1 (63.251.63.1) 0.889 ms 0.614 ms 0.709 ms
5 sl-gw13-sj-0-2-155M.sprintlink.net (160.81.100.1) 1.904 ms 2.044 ms 2.210 ms
6 sl-bb23-sj-6-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.3.169) 2.576 ms 2.150 ms 2.331 ms
7 sl-bb24-sj-14-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.3.222) 2.719 ms 2.440 ms 2.674 ms
8 sl-st20-sj-15-1.sprintlink.net (144.232.20.70) 2.981 ms 2.377 ms 2.761 ms
9 bpr1-so-6-0-0.SanJoseEquinix.cw.net (208.173.54.9) 2.709 ms 3.071 ms 2.613 ms
10 acr2-loopback.SanFrancisco.cw.net (206.24.210.62) 19.727 ms 3.408 ms 2.651 ms
11 agr3-loopback.SantaClara.cw.net (208.172.146.103) 4.560 ms 4.101 ms 4.694 ms
12 dcr1-so-0-3-0.SantaClara.cw.net (208.172.156.13) 4.342 ms 4.626 ms 4.292 ms
13 cable-and-wireless-internal-isp.SantaClara.cw.net (208.172.156.74) 5.301 ms 5.992 ms 4.962 ms
14 dcr01-g2-1.sntc05.exodus.net (64.56.192.179) 5.447 ms 5.102 ms 4.829 ms
15 csr11-ve243.sntc05.exodus.net (64.56.192.106) 6.763 ms 5.324 ms 5.321 ms
16 sourceforge.net (216.136.171.196) 5.575 ms 5.055 ms 5.389 ms



traceroute to www.datapipe.com (66.70.68.254), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 66.111.xxx.x (66.111.xxx.x) 0.246 ms 0.188 ms 0.168 ms
2 66.111.47.2 (66.111.47.2) 0.586 ms 0.321 ms 0.304 ms
3 63.251.61.229 (63.251.61.229) 204.814 ms 1.006 ms 7.858 ms
4 63.251.63.6 (63.251.63.6) 1.294 ms 0.660 ms 0.698 ms
5 svl-edge-09.inet.qwest.net (63.145.224.1) 2.834 ms 2.427 ms 2.545 ms
6 svl-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.14.93) 2.724 ms 2.292 ms 2.681 ms
7 kcm-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.9) 37.629 ms 38.083 ms 89.493 ms
8 kcm-core-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.29.122) 38.506 ms 39.418 ms 38.765 ms
9 ewr-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.186) 70.772 ms 71.411 ms 70.551 ms
10 ewr-cntr-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.17.146) 70.301 ms 71.201 ms 70.204 ms
11 msfc-74.ewr.qwest.net (63.146.100.67) 71.263 ms 70.431 ms 71.027 ms
12 core2.ewr.datapipe.net (63.146.101.14) 72.177 ms 71.761 ms 71.518 ms
13 aggr2.vlan821.ewr.datapipe.net (216.109.128.58) 72.726 ms 72.117 ms 71.647 ms
14 www.datapipe.com (66.70.68.254) 72.587 ms 72.622 ms 72.876 ms



traceroute to server1.ams-ix.net (Netherlands) (193.194.136.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 66.111.xxx.x (66.111.xxx.x) 0.310 ms 0.217 ms 0.168 ms
2 66.111.47.2 (66.111.47.2) 0.516 ms 0.336 ms 0.311 ms
3 63.251.61.229 (63.251.61.229) 0.843 ms 0.570 ms 0.559 ms
4 63.251.63.3 (63.251.63.3) 1.489 ms 196.553 ms 199.758 ms
5 p1-1-0-0.a00.snfcca02.us.ra.verio.net (140.174.21.121) 4.151 ms 4.354 ms 3.905 ms
6 p4-0-0-0.a01.snfcca02.us.ra.verio.net (129.250.122.146) 4.067 ms 4.413 ms 4.303 ms
7 p4-0-1-0.r00.snjsca04.us.bb.verio.net (129.250.16.17) 4.085 ms 4.205 ms 4.209 ms
8 p16-0-1-0.r20.snjsca04.us.bb.verio.net (129.250.3.86) 4.377 ms 4.152 ms 4.663 ms
9 p16-3-0-0.r00.mlpsca01.us.bb.verio.net (129.250.5.8) 4.241 ms 4.189 ms 4.334 ms
10 p16-5-0-0.r00.nwrknj01.us.bb.verio.net (129.250.5.113) 70.821 ms 71.037 ms 70.555 ms
11 p4-0-3-0.r80.nwrknj01.us.bb.verio.net (129.250.5.38) 70.119 ms 69.994 ms 69.826 ms
12 p4-1-3-0.r01.amstnl02.nl.bb.verio.net (129.250.2.223) 153.491 ms 153.268 ms 153.415 ms
13 rtr1.ams-ix.net (193.148.15.1) 153.848 ms 153.647 ms 153.490 ms
14 server1.ams-ix.net (193.194.136.2) 154.438 ms * 153.962 ms


traceroute to he.net (216.218.186.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 66.111.xxx.x (66.111.xxx.x) 0.262 ms 0.186 ms 0.168 ms
2 66.111.47.2 (66.111.47.2) 0.466 ms 0.330 ms 0.301 ms
3 g4.ba21.b003070-1.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.250.7.65) 2.331 ms 2.567 ms 2.449 ms
4 g1-5.core02.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.66.253) 2.690 ms 2.134 ms 2.201 ms
5 p6-0.core03.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.150) 2.090 ms 1.831 ms 2.008 ms
6 mwa.he.net (198.32.200.17) 3.697 ms 3.430 ms 3.338 ms
7 he.net (216.218.186.2) 4.332 ms 4.125 ms 4.930 ms



:)

--22:26:26-- http://www.fluidhosting.com/uumap.tar.Z
=> `uumap.tar.Z'
Resolving www.fluidhosting.com... done.
Connecting to www.fluidhosting.com[66.150.201.71]:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 8,520,221 [application/x-tar]

100%[========================================================================================>] 8,520,221 350.41K/s ETA 00:00

22:26:50 (350.41 KB/s) - `uumap.tar.Z' saved [8520221/8520221]



wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2
--22:29:27-- http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2
=> `linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2'
Resolving www.kernel.org... done.
Connecting to www.kernel.org[204.152.189.116]:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 26,042,494 [application/x-bzip2]

100%[========================================================================================>] 26,042,494 3.90M/s ETA 00:00

22:29:36 (3.90 MB/s) - `linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2' saved [26042494/26042494]



traceroute www.kernel.org
traceroute to zeus-pub.kernel.org (204.152.189.116), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 66.111.xxx.x (66.111.xxx.x) 0.315 ms 0.189 ms 0.172 ms
2 66.111.47.2 (66.111.47.2) 0.471 ms 0.318 ms 0.303 ms
3 63.251.61.229 (63.251.61.229) 0.982 ms 0.580 ms 0.770 ms
4 63.251.63.65 (63.251.63.65) 1.231 ms 0.933 ms 0.616 ms
5 sl-gw13-sj-0-2-155M.sprintlink.net (160.81.100.1) 3.029 ms 2.219 ms 1.678 ms
6 sl-bb23-sj-6-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.3.169) 2.379 ms 2.208 ms 2.264 ms
7 sl-bb25-sj-14-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.3.250) 2.524 ms 2.116 ms 2.411 ms
8 sl-gw8-sj-10-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.3.114) 1.859 ms 1.916 ms 1.762 ms
9 sl-cogentcomm-7-0.sprintlink.net (144.228.110.122) 3.858 ms 3.162 ms 3.195 ms
10 p6-0.core02.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.149) 3.830 ms 3.621 ms 3.027 ms
11 g50.ba01.b003070-1.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.5.182) 3.729 ms 4.103 ms 4.226 ms
12 ISC-1.demarc.cogentco.com (66.250.6.50) 3.448 ms 4.017 ms 3.552 ms
13 so-1-0-0.orsf3.pf.isc.org (192.5.4.235) 3.690 ms 3.227 ms 3.608 ms
14 so-1-2-1.orpa7.pf.isc.org (192.5.4.232) 4.015 ms 3.493 ms 3.680 ms
15 zeus-pub.kernel.org (204.152.189.116) 4.016 ms 3.565 ms 4.066 ms



wget ftp://ftp.uu.net/uumap.tar.Z
--22:32:21-- ftp://ftp.uu.net/uumap.tar.Z
=> `uumap.tar.Z.1'
Resolving ftp.uu.net... done.
Connecting to ftp.uu.net[192.48.96.9]:21... connected.
Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
==> SYST ... done. ==> PWD ... done.
==> TYPE I ... done. ==> CWD not needed.
==> PORT ... done. ==> RETR uumap.tar.Z ... done.
Length: 8,520,221 (unauthoritative)

100%[========================================================================================>] 8,520,221 713.11K/s ETA 00:00

22:32:38 (713.11 KB/s) - `uumap.tar.Z.1' saved [8520221]



traceroute to ftp.uu.net (192.48.96.9), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 66.111.xxx.x (66.111.xxx.x) 0.236 ms 0.187 ms 0.170 ms
2 66.111.47.2 (66.111.47.2) 0.631 ms 0.327 ms 0.299 ms
3 63.251.61.229 (63.251.61.229) 0.714 ms 0.569 ms 0.602 ms
4 63.251.63.66 (63.251.63.66) 0.785 ms 0.949 ms 0.741 ms
5 POS2-3.GW4.SFO4.ALTER.NET (157.130.205.201) 0.931 ms 1.396 ms 0.956 ms
6 162.ATM2-0.XR1.SFO4.ALTER.NET (152.63.48.194) 1.341 ms 1.545 ms 1.053 ms
7 0.so-0-0-0.XL1.SFO4.ALTER.NET (152.63.55.57) 1.162 ms 1.673 ms 2.914 ms
8 0.so-3-0-0.TL1.SAC1.ALTER.NET (152.63.53.250) 4.232 ms 3.860 ms 4.486 ms
9 0.so-1-1-0.TL1.DCA6.ALTER.NET (152.63.1.117) 75.047 ms 75.418 ms 75.479 ms
10 0.so-6-0-0.XL1.DCA6.ALTER.NET (152.63.38.70) 76.422 ms 76.166 ms 76.574 ms
11 0.so-0-0-0.XR1.DCA6.ALTER.NET (152.63.35.113) 75.157 ms 75.333 ms 75.287 ms
12 285.at-1-0-0.CL1.IAD5.ALTER.NET (152.63.34.198) 77.247 ms 77.325 ms 76.800 ms
13 500.ATM7-0.GW3.IAD5.ALTER.NET (152.63.37.253) 78.264 ms 78.607 ms 78.422 ms
14 pos5-0.soesr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (207.18.173.162) 77.376 ms 77.866 ms 77.059 ms
15 gig1-0.esr-b-10-9-2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (198.5.240.36) 77.662 ms 77.136 ms 77.234 ms
16 neo-ftp.uu.net (198.5.241.101) 77.321 ms 77.299 ms 77.561 ms


:)

wget http://easynews.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/webadmin/webmin-1.000.tar.gz
--22:43:27-- http://easynews.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/webadmin/webmin-1.000.tar.gz
=> `webmin-1.000.tar.gz'
Resolving easynews.dl.sourceforge.net... done.
Connecting to easynews.dl.sourceforge.net[140.99.102.30]:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 5,643,949 [application/x-gzip]

100%[========================================================================================>] 5,643,949 2.34M/s ETA 00:00

22:43:29 (2.34 MB/s) - `webmin-1.000.tar.gz' saved [5643949/5643949]

Do you accept payment via paypal ?

Thanks AussieBob for your feedback. It sounds about right.

Did I see "cogent" bandwidth in some of those traces?:confused:

Cogent is one of the backbones included in internap, if cogent has a shorter and faster route, then the cogent route will be taken.

Originally posted by chrisb
Thanks AussieBob for your feedback. It sounds about right.

Did I see "cogent" bandwidth in some of those traces?:confused:

over 24 hours and still waiting for my box

Originally posted by Aussie Bob


Looks good Chris. What have you got to lose?

uh, $49 and my reputation :)

lol ;)

Originally posted by WebHozt
Cogent is one of the backbones included in internap, if cogent has a shorter and faster route, then the cogent route will be taken.



Um, since when ? Internap uses only tier1 providers and cogent is far from tier1. Im fairly certain cogent is and never will be part of internap!

Cogent is one of the backbones included in internap, if cogent has a shorter and faster route, then the cogent route will be taken.


Since when Cogent is inside Internap? Internap has got 9 providers and I do not see any 'Cogent' words in their proposal to me on using their transit.

Originally posted by Dedicated
over 24 hours and still waiting for my box

same :(

I know someone who ordered the server 5 hours later than me has got a server few hours ago...... oh well

The only trace with cogent was to Webhostingtalk. Not quite sure why someone posted it but that's what it was. Internap != Cogent.

Hmm....then Im confused! :confused:

Can someone then list the 9 tier-1 providers of internap please?

Thanks! :)

Here is a trace from UnitedColo to an eServers internap server:

traceroute to 216.52.184.225 (216.52.184.225), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 66.111.33.1 (66.111.33.1) 0.253 ms 0.197 ms 0.176 ms
2 66.111.47.2 (66.111.47.2) 0.451 ms 0.324 ms 0.306 ms
3 g4.ba21.b003070-1.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.250.7.65) 2.696 ms 2.185 ms 2.154 ms
4 g1-2.core01.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.5.249) 202.905 ms 197.793 ms 2.938 ms
5 p15-0.core02.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.70) 2.411 ms 2.120 ms 2.181 ms
6 p6-0.tr1.sfr1.netrail.net (66.28.28.58) 2.195 ms 1.801 ms 1.754 ms
7 pax-brdr-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.1.157) 2.195 ms 2.074 ms 2.259 ms
8 svl-core-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.205.29) 2.400 ms 2.498 ms 2.186 ms
9 svl-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.14.121) 2.589 ms 2.477 ms 2.785 ms
10 iah-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.130) 44.107 ms 43.850 ms 43.798 ms
11 iah-core-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.31.2) 44.145 ms 43.877 ms 43.787 ms
12 dal-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.125) 48.259 ms 48.080 ms 48.289 ms
13 dal-edge-07.inet.qwest.net (205.171.25.54) 59.462 ms 48.516 ms 48.707 ms
14 65.118.50.142 (65.118.50.142) 49.371 ms 48.432 ms 48.633 ms
15 216.52.191.94 (216.52.191.94) 48.652 ms 49.193 ms 49.010 ms
16 216.52.184.225 (216.52.184.225) 49.129 ms 49.059 ms 49.450 ms

Strange to see cogent in there?

Network: Dual GigE (BGP-4) to Internap, Global Crossing, Genuity, UUNET, Qwest, Cable & Wireless, AT&T, Verio, and Sprint.

Well, who is the 9th provider?

Originally posted by diederik

Originally posted by WebHozt
Well, who is the 9th provider?



Digex?

Originally posted by Haze
Here is a trace from UnitedColo to an eServers internap server:

traceroute to 216.52.184.225 (216.52.184.225), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 66.111.33.1 (66.111.33.1) 0.253 ms 0.197 ms 0.176 ms
2 66.111.47.2 (66.111.47.2) 0.451 ms 0.324 ms 0.306 ms
3 g4.ba21.b003070-1.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.250.7.65) 2.696 ms 2.185 ms 2.154 ms
4 g1-2.core01.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.5.249) 202.905 ms 197.793 ms 2.938 ms
5 p15-0.core02.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.70) 2.411 ms 2.120 ms 2.181 ms
6 p6-0.tr1.sfr1.netrail.net (66.28.28.58) 2.195 ms 1.801 ms 1.754 ms
7 pax-brdr-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.1.157) 2.195 ms 2.074 ms 2.259 ms
8 svl-core-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.205.29) 2.400 ms 2.498 ms 2.186 ms
9 svl-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.14.121) 2.589 ms 2.477 ms 2.785 ms
10 iah-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.130) 44.107 ms 43.850 ms 43.798 ms
11 iah-core-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.31.2) 44.145 ms 43.877 ms 43.787 ms
12 dal-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.125) 48.259 ms 48.080 ms 48.289 ms
13 dal-edge-07.inet.qwest.net (205.171.25.54) 59.462 ms 48.516 ms 48.707 ms
14 65.118.50.142 (65.118.50.142) 49.371 ms 48.432 ms 48.633 ms
15 216.52.191.94 (216.52.191.94) 48.652 ms 49.193 ms 49.010 ms
16 216.52.184.225 (216.52.184.225) 49.129 ms 49.059 ms 49.450 ms

Strange to see cogent in there?


hrrmmm remeber the hostmania.net thing? they offered hosting on internap too.. and have a look at their website:


http://www.hostmania.net/network.html


it also includes cogent....

Hmm that's a weird how cogent's part of the trace. I think it's only being used for local transit however, as you see qwest picks it up after the local hops.

Why doesn't UCG offer 100% SLA, instead of 99.999% if all of their bandwidth comes from Internap, since Internap has 100% SLA? Could it be because they are not using "just" Internap bandwidth?


Also, the UCG person posted in this thread that they are "semi-managed" servers. Their site specifically says they are "unmanaged". Before buying, I'd suggest everyone read their TOS and User Agreement.

Well you have to factor in stuff such as router upgrades, power outages, people tripping over a network cable, etc.

hello, your packages are simply amazing. I have a few questions however, how many domains can I host on the plesk liscense. If I were to provide you with an external CPANEL liscense, would you guys install it for me if I were to purchase your server. Installing CPANEL would require a fresh OS install of linux, or bsd.

This is part of the information I have gotten from Internap during my conversation with them.

Bandwidth providers:

UUNet, Sprint, C&W, Genuity, AT&T, Qwest, Digex, Verio, and Global Crossing

I have no idea why transoptics includes cogent in their map. It could be a mistake.

If cogent is inside the trace, that means either the connection is not from Internap directly and solely, or they buy connection from internap directly but mix with other bandwidth providers, such as cogent, etc.

Originally posted by chrisb
uh, $49 and my reputation :)
ahhh, yeah :D but besides that? ;)

Hi Simplythi,

Our engineers can install Cpanel on your server for free. Just send us the license key as well as installation instructions.


Best Regards.

Can you do PLESK 5 too?

Originally posted by UCG Inc.
Hi Simplythi,

Our engineers can install Cpanel on your server for free. Just send us the license key as well as installation instructions.


Best Regards.

Originally posted by VS-Lap
Can you do PLESK 5 too?



I think they've option to let you have a Plesk5 1 domain license for free and installed, you can upgrade your license from them or plesk, correct me if i'm wrong. :)

Hi VS-Lap,

We do offer Plesk (1 domain license) on our Enterprise package. For additional domains, you need to buy the license directly from Plesk. Installation is free of course.

Hello,

Do you accept payment via paypal:confused:

Originally posted by tazzy
Hello,

Do you accept payment via paypal:confused:


they don't accept paypal.

Not to bash, but how can UGC offer this so cheap while FluidHosting is very expensive while they are both on the same network...

Originally posted by Blikje
Not to bash, but how can UGC offer this so cheap while FluidHosting is very expensive while they are both on the same network...

bulk buy power, if you've the capital to get like 500 servers with contract of getting like another 1000 servers and 2gige line, it'll be a lot cheaper than what you get for the 100mbps and 100 servers.

Not to bash, but how can UGC offer this so cheap while FluidHosting is very expensive while they are both on the same network...

How can hosting.com get 39.00 a month for 100 MB of hosting when people on this board get $0.25 ?????????

Hostany, do you think they would stay in the business for a long term (and profitable) with such pricing? I know that they probably get hundreds of orders this way, but can they still make profit while still paying their bills to Internap?

UCG Inc, what's your current bandwidth utilization (usage)? Do you have enough corporate clients now to subsidize your cheap pricing for us, WHT members? :D

Maybe they hope to make a profit off of RAM, hoping most people will upgrade their RAM. RAM is pretty cheap these days, ya know. So, if they sell it at 5 times the price, that's money made.

Just a thought.

do you remember when rackshack offered $99 servers, everyone though they won't be profitable... but they are.

do you remember first post about Cogent (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=4543) ?

we don't know UGC's business model but they have to have big $$$, and to get them from VC they had to have good, solid business plan...

I emailed them yesterday and got pretty quick response.

hmm. they offer is really good, too bad prices for web hosting will go down again :bawling:

I wish them all the best

Originally posted by twrs
Hostany, do you think they would stay in the business for a long term (and profitable) with such pricing? I know that they probably get hundreds of orders this way, but can they still make profit while still paying their bills to Internap?

UCG Inc, what's your current bandwidth utilization (usage)? Do you have enough corporate clients now to subsidize your cheap pricing for us, WHT members? :D

They should be able to, about a year go when people think Rackshack isn't profitable, they provided more servers at lower rate, they also signed contract with compaq, ensim, plesk etc... even thought they're backed by ev1.

You've to know, if they're backed by a bigger company, they'll be able to get everything even cheaper, althought I'm not sure who backed unitedcolo. (maybe intel, since they provide all the intel series servers, who knows ;) )

- Eric.

Originally posted by WebHozt
Cogent is one of the backbones included in internap, if cogent has a shorter and faster route, then the cogent route will be taken.


Get your fact straight! Internap only use tier one providers; it won't use cogent!

Originally posted by Blikje
Not to bash, but how can UGC offer this so cheap while FluidHosting is very expensive while they are both on the same network...

Yes, but you won't find cogent on our network. Your least important data will still be routed through tier one backbones. :)

Originally posted by jbb



hrrmmm remeber the hostmania.net thing? they offered hosting on internap too.. and have a look at their website:


http://www.hostmania.net/network.html


it also includes cogent....

That is a mistake, the 9th provider should be Digex and NOT Cogent.. (I will get it fixed)

Keeping things simple, it seems its incoming Internap and majority outgoing Cogent (from my tests).....

Have a nice weekend.

As I mententioned earlier this company will not be around long.

THey are having all inbound traffic for tracerts and what not being on nap. All out bound is on cogent. Cogent is not a part of internap and never will be.

After learning what is really behind this operation. My recommendation is to stay away, as whats going to happen is this company will be out of business sooner then you think.

Originally posted by WebHozt
Well, who is the 9th provider?



It used to be Digex but they were dropped from Internap's model due to reliability issues so they only currently have 8 providers.

I can also definitely say that Cogent is not included in the Internap bandwidth. This is what JBiz was talking about and how they can do what they are doing for the price. Incoming traffic is coming through Internap and outgoing traffic is a mix with Cogent included. This is also why they do not offer a 100% uptime SLA because they are not using 100% Internap bandwidth and probably have a peering agreement with Cogent for outgoing traffic.

Technically based on accounting logic.

This company looses money on every sale.

I pm'ed to ask when my server will be online :

Hi Diederik,

Due to the volume of new orders currently in the pipeline, deployment time is now 48-72 hours from data of order.


Best Regards.


I'll keep waiting ...

Originally posted by JBIZ718
THey are having all inbound traffic for tracerts and what not being on nap. All out bound is on cogent. Cogent is not a part of internap and never will be.


Not quite correct. Some shown traceroutes did go through Internap. Not all their outgoing bandwith goes through cogent.

What they should have done is to mention that they have cogent in their network and that some data may be routed through cogent. What they are doing right now is to create an impression that all incoming/ougoing will be routed through internap, which is misleading.

But at $49/mo, what can you loose? It's still a good offer IMHO. :)

I agree, they should of mention Cogent as one of their peers. I pm them and asked whether they use Cogent or Internap for outgoing. They said Internap, not Internap + Cogent.

Still good deal though ;)

Originally posted by FHDave


Not quite correct. Some shown traceroutes did go through Internap. Not all their outgoing bandwith goes through cogent.

What they should have done is to mention that they have cogent in their network and that some data may be routed through cogent. What they are doing right now is to create an impression that all incoming/ougoing will be routed through internap, which is misleading.

But at $49/mo, what can you loose? It's still a good offer IMHO. :)

Hi JBIZ718,

It's rather presumptuous of you to assume the fate of a company when you have no information about its finance. People had the reservation about Southwest Airlines when they began to offer discounted fares, but the market cap of Southwest is now more than all the other major U.S. carriers combined.

If Southwest can offer one-way ticket from SFO to San Diego for just $49.00, then surely high quality dedicated hosting for $49.00 should not be a problem if you manage your operation carefully.

We do appreciate your skepticism though. It keeps us focused on the long term goal.

Also, if you go back and look at JBB post on page 11, not all outbound traffic is Cogent.



------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

traceroute to sf.net (216.136.171.196), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 66.111.xxx.x (66.111.xxx.x) 0.244 ms 0.186 ms 0.172 ms
2 66.111.47.2 (66.111.47.2) 0.702 ms 0.333 ms 20.251 ms
3 63.251.61.229 (63.251.61.229) 0.738 ms 0.929 ms 0.545 ms
4 63.251.63.1 (63.251.63.1) 0.889 ms 0.614 ms 0.709 ms
5 sl-gw13-sj-0-2-155M.sprintlink.net (160.81.100.1) 1.904 ms 2.044 ms 2.210 ms
6 sl-bb23-sj-6-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.3.169) 2.576 ms 2.150 ms 2.331 ms
7 sl-bb24-sj-14-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.3.222) 2.719 ms 2.440 ms 2.674 ms
8 sl-st20-sj-15-1.sprintlink.net (144.232.20.70) 2.981 ms 2.377 ms 2.761 ms
9 bpr1-so-6-0-0.SanJoseEquinix.cw.net (208.173.54.9) 2.709 ms 3.071 ms 2.613 ms
10 acr2-loopback.SanFrancisco.cw.net (206.24.210.62) 19.727 ms 3.408 ms 2.651 ms
11 agr3-loopback.SantaClara.cw.net (208.172.146.103) 4.560 ms 4.101 ms 4.694 ms
12 dcr1-so-0-3-0.SantaClara.cw.net (208.172.156.13) 4.342 ms 4.626 ms 4.292 ms
13 cable-and-wireless-internal-isp.SantaClara.cw.net (208.172.156.74) 5.301 ms 5.992 ms 4.962 ms
14 dcr01-g2-1.sntc05.exodus.net (64.56.192.179) 5.447 ms 5.102 ms 4.829 ms
15 csr11-ve243.sntc05.exodus.net (64.56.192.106) 6.763 ms 5.324 ms 5.321 ms
16 sourceforge.net (216.136.171.196) 5.575 ms 5.055 ms 5.389 ms



traceroute to www.datapipe.com (66.70.68.254), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 66.111.xxx.x (66.111.xxx.x) 0.246 ms 0.188 ms 0.168 ms
2 66.111.47.2 (66.111.47.2) 0.586 ms 0.321 ms 0.304 ms
3 63.251.61.229 (63.251.61.229) 204.814 ms 1.006 ms 7.858 ms
4 63.251.63.6 (63.251.63.6) 1.294 ms 0.660 ms 0.698 ms
5 svl-edge-09.inet.qwest.net (63.145.224.1) 2.834 ms 2.427 ms 2.545 ms
6 svl-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.14.93) 2.724 ms 2.292 ms 2.681 ms
7 kcm-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.9) 37.629 ms 38.083 ms 89.493 ms
8 kcm-core-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.29.122) 38.506 ms 39.418 ms 38.765 ms
9 ewr-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.186) 70.772 ms 71.411 ms 70.551 ms
10 ewr-cntr-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.17.146) 70.301 ms 71.201 ms 70.204 ms
11 msfc-74.ewr.qwest.net (63.146.100.67) 71.263 ms 70.431 ms 71.027 ms
12 core2.ewr.datapipe.net (63.146.101.14) 72.177 ms 71.761 ms 71.518 ms
13 aggr2.vlan821.ewr.datapipe.net (216.109.128.58) 72.726 ms 72.117 ms 71.647 ms
14 www.datapipe.com (66.70.68.254) 72.587 ms 72.622 ms 72.876 ms



traceroute to server1.ams-ix.net (Netherlands) (193.194.136.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 66.111.xxx.x (66.111.xxx.x) 0.310 ms 0.217 ms 0.168 ms
2 66.111.47.2 (66.111.47.2) 0.516 ms 0.336 ms 0.311 ms
3 63.251.61.229 (63.251.61.229) 0.843 ms 0.570 ms 0.559 ms
4 63.251.63.3 (63.251.63.3) 1.489 ms 196.553 ms 199.758 ms
5 p1-1-0-0.a00.snfcca02.us.ra.verio.net (140.174.21.121) 4.151 ms 4.354 ms 3.905 ms
6 p4-0-0-0.a01.snfcca02.us.ra.verio.net (129.250.122.146) 4.067 ms 4.413 ms 4.303 ms
7 p4-0-1-0.r00.snjsca04.us.bb.verio.net (129.250.16.17) 4.085 ms 4.205 ms 4.209 ms
8 p16-0-1-0.r20.snjsca04.us.bb.verio.net (129.250.3.86) 4.377 ms 4.152 ms 4.663 ms
9 p16-3-0-0.r00.mlpsca01.us.bb.verio.net (129.250.5.8) 4.241 ms 4.189 ms 4.334 ms
10 p16-5-0-0.r00.nwrknj01.us.bb.verio.net (129.250.5.113) 70.821 ms 71.037 ms 70.555 ms
11 p4-0-3-0.r80.nwrknj01.us.bb.verio.net (129.250.5.38) 70.119 ms 69.994 ms 69.826 ms
12 p4-1-3-0.r01.amstnl02.nl.bb.verio.net (129.250.2.223) 153.491 ms 153.268 ms 153.415 ms
13 rtr1.ams-ix.net (193.148.15.1) 153.848 ms 153.647 ms 153.490 ms
14 server1.ams-ix.net (193.194.136.2) 154.438 ms * 153.962 ms

Whats your relationship with Handspring, FedEx and a few other big time enterprises? You use their logo in your Web site, are they clients of yours, investors?

I'm not quite sure if they're using internap + cogent for outbound traffic. But what I can tell you is, they're providing high/quality traffic at incredible price.

On the other note, I've spoke to them and confirmed I'm allowed to sell cpanel license within their network as they're not offering it, so to anyone who wanted to get a Cpanel License on unitedcolo please contact me at ericlo@hostany.com

You can get the server directly from me at the same cost, but only if you're going to use CPanel license.

I don't know if I'm allowed to advertise on this thread, but unitedcolo has no problem with it, if mod feel it's not right, then feel free to remove this post.

Thanks!

Peeps! Get Real!!

I really cant understand all these questions when he is offering a server and 100GB of Internap b/w at 49$/mo!

Why dont you just sign up and see how good it is? :)

I have info from a different source on this issue. I think its a good deal. I just do not recommend it. For many it may be ok.

It is very easy to manage traffic at router level. I am interested to know if Surepath is involved in this. And or mrtg graphs showing bandwidth charts.

It is shown that cogent is involved in this, which was not mentioned, but how are the carriers allocated. How much bandwidth is being pushed on nap.

Originally posted by MotleyFool
Why dont you just sign up and see how good it is? :)

I think it's a good deal :) Perhaps better than RS since RS does no have internap on it :) But again, they are misleading people by not telling people that cogent is part of their bandwith. Even when VS-Lap asked for it, they still did not mention cogent.

Now we will see some hosts (getting these deals) start to claim they have internap bandwith and offering their bandwith so cheaply. But I guess the truen internap host (with no "contamination" from cogent) will still be few, us inclluding :)

Originally posted by UCG Inc.


Also, if you go back and look at JBB post on page 11, not all outbound traffic is Cogent.

In one post you say ingoing and outgoing is 100% Internap and in the next you say it includes Cogent, and they are not part of Internap's model nor will they probably ever be. So which is it?

Originally posted by MotleyFool
Peeps! Get Real!!

I really cant understand all these questions when he is offering a server and 100GB of Internap b/w at 49$/mo!

Why dont you just sign up and see how good it is? :)


If you look at the tracerts you will see this is not 100% Internap bandwidth so it is misleading people to think this is the case.

Originally posted by jbb
hrrmmm remeber the hostmania.net thing? they offered hosting on internap too.. and have a look at their website:
http://www.hostmania.net/network.html

it also includes cogent....


my internap server at hostmania has never taken cogent outgoing or incoming

I still think its a good deal...

pitty they don't accept paypal :bawling:

Originally posted by tazzy
I still think its a good deal...

pitty they don't accept paypal :bawling:

Yeah PayPal would be good. I wonder if Walmart/Kmart will accept paypal?

Check out person: "um what is paypal sir?"

Originally posted by JBIZ718
I have info from a different source on this issue. I think its a good deal. I just do not recommend it. For many it may be ok.

It is very easy to manage traffic at router level. I am interested to know if Surepath is involved in this. And or mrtg graphs showing bandwidth charts.

It is shown that cogent is involved in this, which was not mentioned, but how are the carriers allocated. How much bandwidth is being pushed on nap.

Well don't come here with ominous tones of watch out I have info. If you have information post it, If you don't then voice your opinion but at least admit it is nothing more than your opinion.

Im not sure what your talking about. I have posted the info that I can post.

This is not my opinion. I mentioned about the cogent issue, and well its prooved that cogent is a part of this scheme now.

There are some things that I can not say.

OK we now know for $49.00 a month you get a server that has Internap mixed with cognet. But you keep implying you hsve more information like they are crooks or something, with your "there are some things I cannot say" little add on tag there. If you know something post it. If not it just look like sour grapes from a competitor, trying cast doubt on anothers offer.

Either speak up or get out of your competitors advertisment.

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This has nothing to do with the company I work for, and honestly what is your problem.

If this company said listen we are offering Internap inbound and internap + cogent outbound. And werent answering PMs like this post.

VS-Lap
quote:
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Originally posted by JBIZ718
i think before we go further we should get what outbound transfer is
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Just messaged them, their reply;

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Re: Server
Dear VS-Lap,

We use Internap for both inbound / outbound traffic.


Just use caution on the issue. What I know should not make any difference at this point. They have already prooved that what they are stating is wrong.

In regards to me posting, some things by NDA's with people I can not post.

I have spoke enough, to me they will tell all the facts in due time.

i would get one
but i just have this gut feeling this company is going to be in major trouble a month or two now.

so i'm not going to bother

My problem is real simple if you have information that would help people not get burned then you post it. If you do not have the information you keep quite. It is one thing to call a competitor on a lie it is another thing to post inundo that you are not willing to back up. So you revealed the cognet line. What else do you have?

If nothing then say nothing if something then post it. It just looks cheap and tacky when you have Director of sales for Webreseller in your sig line to be making inundo comments that have no basis in fact that you are willing to post.

Originally posted by clocker1996
i would get one
but i just have this gut feeling this company is going to be in major trouble a month or two now.

so i'm not going to bother


Little post hostmania jitters there Clocker? :stickout

Keep in mind that my job at webreseller is one of my jobs. I also own my own consulting company, so this has nothing to do with them at all.

I think the cogent issue was a rather big issue, and based on fact.

There is something called a legal system, we have one in the US. There are some things that u can say, and some you can not. Look at a NDA.

I have revealed all the factual information that I can publicly disclose, and I have backed it up. So your points have no merit. All the points that I braught up have prooved themselves to be correct.

Since this is off track, I consider the issue closed, and hope the posts gets back on track.

Greetings,

While dedicated servers is an important part of our operations, the bulk of our revenues come from co-location customers and companies that buys bandwidth (only) from UCG. Therefore, UCG is not technically losing money on each server because we rather use the free cash flow from other units to increase capital expenditure rather than keeping it in the bank.

Some capital expenditures are treated as an asset which make your balance sheet looks great while too much cash on hand in the bank give you at best 5% ROI and it's also treated as taxable income. What would you do -- build up your company infrastructure or pay unnecesssary taxes?

I don't think they will run into financial problems because their bandwidth connection cost may not be as much as you think. Their internap connection may not be from Internap itself. It could be from a company who resells internap bandwidth by mixing them with cogent bandwidth. And the price, more or less at cogent pricing. So, for your info, this is still a good deal and I doubt they will run into financial problems.


But regarding their post on bulk purchase on internap bandwidth (2 Gig Es, etc) , I do not know if they purchase two full Gig Es, But as far as I know, you can always request gig E installation but min. CDR at 100 Mbps. If they are doing that, then, their min. cost is probably around 100 Mbps cogent price.;)

Why are people making a big issue out of Cogent? I agree he should have said Cogent is used, and posts about that are fine but the people making a big deal because it has some cogent is insane. Even if it is pure cogent it is still a good deal.

I'm quite impressed with the way they handle things thus far and I'm probably going to buy one after I get my CC thing worked out (hehe).

They seem very organized and as long as I get what they promise me each month, I won't be angry if their business fails in 4 months. That's just the way the business world works. Some of them succeed and some fail. If UGC tried hard and upheld their end of the terms during the time they were operating, then it's no money lost on my end. Maybe a little time "wasted" but I won't feel ripped off.

If you are here complaining about Cogent or casting doubt on this business's future, you should probably stop wasting yours and everyone else's time.


Thank you.

Originally posted by Ericwenlong
I don't think they will run into financial problems because their bandwidth connection cost may not be as much as you think. Their internap connection may not be from Internap itself. It could be from a company who resells internap bandwidth by mixing them with cogent bandwidth. And the price, more or less at cogent pricing. So, for your info, this is still a good deal and I doubt they will run into financial problems.


But regarding their post on bulk purchase on internap bandwidth (2 Gig Es, etc) , I do not know if they purchase two full Gig Es, But as far as I know, you can always request gig E installation but min. CDR at 100 Mbps. If they are doing that, then, their min. cost is probably around 100 Mbps cogent price.;)

Agree with your point here, there's no way they're going out of business, maybe they're overselling the connection, but everyone knows that 90% of people won't ever do 100GB
Do a math, how many servers can fit in a 100Mbps or a gige connection? and how much money do they need to spend for bulk price of the connection?

Maybe that's not profitable on dedicated hosting, but UGC has stated "the bulk of our revenues come from co-location customers and companies that buys bandwidth (only) from UCG". And I truely believe they won't have any financial problems in near future, again a lot of people don't think rackshack can offer such cheap pricing and high bw offer, but they still have no problem at all and very very profitable. And so what happend next? everyone started to offer 300-500GB bandwidth which they were offering 50-100GB.

Time will tell and I'll support and getting servers/colo at UGC with no worry.

- Eric Lo

Are these managaed servers.
:eek:

Originally posted by jolly
Are these managaed servers.
:eek:

No. They are not. Only simple stuff like rebooting

It's been said they'll do OS Restore for you too, but to my knowledge UCG has not confirmed that.

I personaly don't see why people are worrying about Cogent being used. If you look at the traceroutes you'll see that cogent is very rarely used.
And when it is used its actualy quite a good route to take ;)

Hi Aragon,

UCG will do O/S restore for free.

Much as my reason keeps telling me it is too good to be true [and keep being true for some time to come], I confess that I am very very tempted! :)

I think I am lucky that they dont accept paypal because I will just hit the send button NOW!

Besides, another reason I am not going for this now [not that any one is going to care ;) ] is that as of now I am having 4 servers to manage and I may not have time..

But I see what you mean clocker and the same thoughts are on every one's minds. :)

Tell me where is
fancy bred
Or in the heart
or in the head ?


:cool:

Nice offer you have got there UCG. ;)

Can you update us on how many of those servers are still available? Or they have all been snapped up?

Site is down from Canada...hope it comes back soon.

Hmm, the site's up for me and i'm from Canada...

Originally posted by Hostany Web


Maybe that's not profitable on dedicated hosting, but UGC has stated "the bulk of our revenues come from co-location customers and companies that buys bandwidth (only) from UCG". And I truely believe they won't have any financial problems in near future, again a lot of people don't think rackshack can offer such cheap pricing and high bw offer, but they still have no problem at all and very very profitable. And so what happend next? everyone started to offer 300-500GB bandwidth which they were offering 50-100GB.

- Eric Lo

Yes Rackshack seemed doomed but they pulled through. But, that was because they were backed by EV1 and signed up over a 1000 people in a month! They had money to work with. Then they had some support issues to address - and space issues. We all know what happened during their hard times and growing pains. :)
I'll be interested to see if they can survive the first year with support issues. That is what ultimately makes a company successful, staying power! They'd better dig their trenches and be ready for the long support haul with a price like that. :) I'll sign up for the experience though (cheaper than a nice day at a golf course) - as soon as their site comes back up. Edit: (back up now! but site links ain't workin, ie network infrastructure) :)

Hmm, they must be really busy. I sent an email and no reply yet. Everytime I have phoned I have gotten no answer. :bawling:

Still waiting for a reliable source with their server actually setup to report back to us. Hope he's not halfway to Mexico now... ;)

Yam, I agree. I am waiting too, and I have a few questions for them too.;)

Still waiting for a reliable source with their server actually setup to report back to us. Hope he's not halfway to Mexico now...

hehe, :D

Hmm, the only links that work on the site are the dedicated and colocation pages. Would like to know what they actually advertise on the site. SLA included =)

I just got off the phone with Jack (I think that was his name) from UCG and everything sounds alright, just waiting for other people to post something about their wn servers...;)

Ok, thanks Homeiss. Hope it is...

I can't get on their site again?? :( whats goin on? Can someone clarify - is it me?
("Its not you its me. I invented its not you its me!" - George Costanza, Seinfeld):D

http://www.unitedcolo.com

Thanks

Seems to be working fine for me...:confused:

Greetings,

We're still here. Our finance team just placed another order for 80 more servers and these new Celeron boxes should be available on Wednesday or Thursday.

Also, we've never considered ourself a competitor from day one. Rather, our business model is based on the wholesaler concept. That's why our Celeron servers start at $49.00 per month. UCG could have easily priced it at $79 or $89 but since many of customers will be resellers, we want to make sure that their profit margin is sufficient enough to support their infrastructure.

It's a win-win situation for everyone.