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elliptical
02-07-2009, 12:18 AM
I have recently come to notice the ammount of patience needed in order to be a successful web designer. There is multiple edits, browsers that just don't work right, and code that just will not validate. Does anyone else think that patience is a key factor in order to have a better relationship with the client, and webdesign overall?

Swelly
02-07-2009, 12:20 PM
Yes! Patience is definitely a must with web design. Not only for your clients, but for your sanity.
Some browsers do not display right. Take IE 6 for example, most of the time I don't have any issues with IE6 but when I do the issues are endless. However, most of the time it is MY fault. Either a float bug, 3 pixel text jog or something else. Normally fixed quite easy.
Some designers do not support IE6 and below.
Yes, patience is needed for great client relationships and overall web design. But as the saying goes practice makes perfect.

shakir
02-07-2009, 12:58 PM
I do not thing patiancy is an important key factor..I feel the ability , professionalism and imagination power is the key factor for a web designer...

catfished
02-07-2009, 02:15 PM
Absolutely! I have to have patience so I don't throw my $*%*# computer in the lake.:mad: It's especially hard to do when I'm using the *&#$* Kompozer/NVU crap software.

UsefulPC
02-07-2009, 02:52 PM
Does anyone else think that patience is a key factor in order to have a better relationship with the client, and webdesign overall?
I definitely agree. It is understandable though that when designing a clients site they are looking for the best representation of their brand. Sometimes a designers idea of what is best just does not fit in with what the client requires and is happy with.

kpmedia
02-07-2009, 06:44 PM
Clients often lack patience, and hence comes the stress.

siforek
02-07-2009, 07:24 PM
I agree. Most have absolutely no idea what it takes to do what we do. Patience yes, but IMO even more commitment. I also believe routine is veryimportant as well.

CakvalaSC
02-08-2009, 06:12 PM
Yes patience is a must, after 10 years of being in the graphics and web design area. Its a must have, also a must have is Multiple Browsers to make sure everything works and looks right. =)

ClayDay
02-09-2009, 12:21 AM
Patience is something that you need for sure. I don't have patience for some things in life, but web design is something that I love and don't mind taking time to make sure everything functions right.

wussadotcom
02-09-2009, 12:37 AM
Absolutely! I have to have patience so I don't throw my $*%*# computer in the lake.:mad: It's especially hard to do when I'm using the *&#$* Kompozer/NVU crap software.
I like NVU. Also its a free software service. You can't complain much

Cyrus_vtn
02-10-2009, 03:02 AM
I think I've pulled my hair more with clients than anything...

ishikatech
02-10-2009, 04:18 AM
I do agree with you....its depends on design and also depend on client to client....some clients have really unlimited revisions, where we require patience....

hosting guru
02-10-2009, 04:34 AM
It sure is,patience is not only a key factor in Designing and Developing Websites and Code but also a key factor in general business and life.

kpmedia
02-10-2009, 11:39 AM
Ability to stand your ground is next most important. You have to know when to tell a client
"no, you need to it this way way" or
"no, I'm not doing that, you'll need to seek your services elsewhere" or
"no, that's going to be an extra charge" or
"no, that budget is way too low, I can't meet your price"
The word "no" doesn't get used enough in this business. The floormats of the industry hurt it for the rest of us. Those dipsticks with $99 site prices, the ones who are willing to be 21st century slaves earning mere pennies with a skillset that cost them thousands of hours to build. When you can earn more money mopping a floor at Wendy's than you can creating a professional web site, there's a big problem.
When your friends and family create their own web sites, and it looks terrible, and they ask for your opinion -- don't encourage them by saying "yes, that looks great". Be honest, tell them that it's unsuitable for professional use, and tell them you're happy they had fun learning a tiny bit about what you do. The cycle of "I can buy software, I can do it too" simply has to stop. No, you can't do it too, and yes, you SHOULD pay somebody a fair sum for a good site.
Don't be a jerk, but don't be a floormat.

SenseiSteve
02-10-2009, 11:54 AM
Patience is a must. I just had a client email me last night saying he erased his index icon. What he meant was he couldn't find index.htm in his menu on his desktop. Clients can be demanding, but that's part of the deal - creating sites to match someone elses business. It takes a special talent to do that professionally.

jerett
02-10-2009, 01:37 PM
Yes! Patience is definitely a must with web design. Not only for your clients, but for your sanity.
Some browsers do not display right. Take IE 6 for example, most of the time I don't have any issues with IE6 but when I do the issues are endless. However, most of the time it is MY fault. Either a float bug, 3 pixel text jog or something else. Normally fixed quite easy.
Some designers do not support IE6 and below.
Yes, patience is needed for great client relationships and overall web design. But as the saying goes practice makes perfect.
(I like this post from Corey)
I believe that patience is just something you learn through out life and should come naturally when handling people in general - depending on your relationship with said people. So applying "patience" in your business model should be a no brainer.
If you (generally speaking) don't have patience with people (clients) and learning your skill, then I would have to make a logical guess that the industry your looking to go into is not for you and you should re-evaluate your direction.
Your work is an important part of your life regardless if you believe it or not. It takes up most of your time (for many people) and thus it should be something your passionate about. It is this passion that will help you through the hard time and low points of your journey.
I think I got off track there -------
Patience is very important and tends to be a tell tell sign of your level of passion and willingness to achieve in the industry of your choice. Be willing to work through those struggles as ways to learn new and exciting things or lessons.
And remember - be patient - we are all just human and tend to make life mistakes from time to time.

thefandango
02-10-2009, 09:20 PM
the internet, and designing x-browser stuff is proably the thing that has driven me to drink.

SiddDubey
02-11-2009, 02:04 AM
Well i completely agree with the fact that patience is a key factor in becoming a better designer.
Sometimes when am designing a website for a client, i just cant think of newer stuff or how to place something the client wants in the design, thats where patience is required.. in these situations, i just leave all the work and go for a walk or sit with family or do any other work that keeps me away from designing.. in most cases, after about 30mins or so, i usually get great ideas!!
Most of the times, you have to have patience to convince a client why did a certain something in his design.. this is really important for the client to give your design a signoff but sometimes he just wont agree.. again use patience :-)
Done with the designing and am sitting to do some coding and get done with the site.. middle of the way, something i did affects the site in IE and it does'nt look right.. this is what makes me hate coding.. but there are only 2 things you can do in such a situation.. 1) Fix the fault by spending some quality time thinking what went wrong and with a little patience or 2) give up and do something that looks like a makeshift arrangement... now i've given you another example..
I agree with shakir that ability , professionalism and imagination power is the key factor for a web designer.. but even the most talented designer cant just sit in front of his workstation and start designing till the end without thinking and pausing.. you need patience to keep the flow of ideas running.. once you've made a change to a design, you are required to think why you did that? and is there anything else you could have done? then think on making any other change if possible for the same thing.. if you cant come up with something then that means the change you made is the best according to you... so you advance further in the design process..
This discussion is endless but the bottomline according to me is that.. Yes, patience is very much required along with a few more pre requisites for you to become a successfull designer and a person...

siforek
02-11-2009, 02:16 AM
Patience is very important and tends to be a tell tell sign of your level of passion and willingness to achieve in the industry of your choice. Be willing to work through those struggles as ways to learn new and exciting things or lessons.
I completely agree. I would have to say I'm one of the most patient individuals I know, and if I weren't exactly as I am I would've given up long ago in this business. I dealt with many people who simply lack it. They seem ignorant, and IMO, even hopeless.
IMO you can be too patient though, and if you are there's a good chance you'll waist time.

Shaliza
02-11-2009, 05:12 AM
You definitely need to have patience. I've come across people that tried to build sites for the first time & gave up so fast because they couldn't get some things right.

wedoxhtml
02-11-2009, 01:38 PM
Yes, Patience is a great factor for web designer. I am working for last 3 year and giving service with patience as many update required by client, as well as client also be happy to pass me work.

CakvalaSC
02-12-2009, 12:07 AM
Also you need to enjoy figuring out why that one table has decided to put itself across the left side and push all your images into the wrong areas.. **pulls hair**
And its always one extra bracket you never notice!!
haha

elliptical
02-12-2009, 12:24 AM
Referring to an earlier post, I do find IE6 pretty difficult to "tame," there's always something wrong with it, usually with the font rendering.
I do think that creativity and imagination are very important qualities to a web designer, but we sometimes need to sacrifice what we want in order to make the website the client wants? I mean, if you go to a barber shop and ask for a certain cut, you want it to be what you asked for, because everyone is going to be looking at it (also because you're paying for it, and you don't have the skill to do it yourself). Everyone's going to be looking at that website and the client always has little things he wants that disagree with the designer, so the need to compromise is obvious.