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xtrem726
01-31-2009, 02:38 PM
I still doubt if they are really give their clients with unlimited disk space, unlimited data transfers and others something unlimited their offers. Please guys help me. Make a screen shoot from your cPanel if you have web hosting account from web host providers that offers unlimited services (hostmonster,hostgator,webhostingpad,lunarpages,bluehost, ect)
Thank you.
Here is (attached)screen shot from my own web hosting (my own VPS)

RSkeens
01-31-2009, 03:47 PM
There is no need to be searching for unlimited diskspace / traffic - it doesn't exist. It may show the infinite symbol, but it is actually limited.

louis87
07-22-2009, 04:23 AM
I don't get it about the Unlimited package. If a normal shared hosting could offered unlimited data transfer, unlimited disk space. Why do we need a Dedicated Server

JulesR
07-22-2009, 04:26 AM
I don't get it about the Unlimited package. If a normal shared hosting could offered unlimited data transfer, unlimited disk space. Why do we need a Dedicated Server
Because disk space and bandwidth aren't the only limiting factors on shared hosting. Processor and RAM usage come heavily into play when deciding whether or not shared hosting is right for you.

If your site is very resource intensive (video encoding/decoding, for example) then you may need a dedicated platform.

bikster
07-22-2009, 04:28 AM
I don't get it about the Unlimited package. If a normal shared hosting could offered unlimited data transfer, unlimited disk space. Why do we need a Dedicated Server

This is a (evil?) marketing trick that is used by hosting companies. If you think about it for a minute or two, heck, even 30 seconds you'll realize its not possible.

Do you think the company is going to buy additional hard drives for a client that uses 2000GB of their server space? Sorry, nope. Are they going to pay hundreds in bandwidth overage caused by the client? Again, sorry, nope. They'll just suspend your account.

Disk space and bandwidth can never be unlimited - the "no unlimited" issue is something that really cannot be solved.

Don't fall for this trick. Go for honest hosts that don't put unlimited disk space and bandwidth.

kin0013
07-22-2009, 05:14 AM
its a bit like an all you can eat restaurant.. they are backing that you aren't going to eat yourself to death... in webhosting they are backing that you aren't going to attempt to backup the internet. also with most Unlimited hosts you can host any sort of movies/sounds/large files etc.

Ultima VPS
07-22-2009, 03:31 PM
Stay away from unlimited anything.

Collabora
07-22-2009, 10:57 PM
I still doubt if they are really give their clients with unlimited disk space, unlimited data transfers and others something unlimited their offers. Please guys help me. Make a screen shoot from your cPanel if you have web hosting account from web host providers that offers unlimited services (hostmonster,hostgator,webhostingpad,lunarpages,bluehost, ect)
Thank you.
Here is (attached)screen shot from my own web hosting (my own VPS)

Unlimited just means no quota, or, "you get as much as you need." Has nothing to do with drive size. As long as the website is appropriate for a shared plan the unlimited plan is the best offer for a customer who does not understand how to choose between multi-tiered & quota-based hosting plans

Don't be fooled by the hosts that are unable to provide or compete with unlimited hosting. They like to make it something it is not.

And stay away from hosts who say there is no such thing as unlimited but try to convince you to buy a plan with unlimited database, email, domains, to put on a few limited MB of disk space.

odishahost
07-22-2009, 11:16 PM
Hello,

Well if you see actually , unlimited space , unlimited bandwidth these all are the imaginary things. If for a moment you domain is using more bandwidth than what is allocated you will surely find your domain account suspended. Also regarding unlimited space there will be the terms and conditions specified with which your domain account will be audited and for the contents which is not related to your website and you will keep getting the emails that you have these contents that is not related to your website and they will ask you to remove those contents. It does not make sense if you are purchasing unlimited space.

Collabora
07-22-2009, 11:21 PM
Hello,

Well if you see actually , unlimited space , unlimited bandwidth these all are the imaginary things. If for a moment you domain is using more bandwidth than what is allocated you will surely find your domain account suspended. Also regarding unlimited space there will be the terms and conditions specified with which your domain account will be audited and for the contents which is not related to your website and you will keep getting the emails that you have these contents that is not related to your website and they will ask you to remove those contents. It does not make sense if you are purchasing unlimited space.

It doesn't make sense to you because you don't understand the provisioning, not because the host is doing something wrong. The unlimited space is for a web site; that is why they call it "web hosting." Its not meant to be an archive for your father-in-laws corporate server backups, or a place to share your 8,500 mp3s

Virtahost
07-25-2009, 03:44 PM
Unlimited Disk space is doesn't make any sense because no quota in hosting industry is something of marketing show. so do you waste your time or searching. Even you got it.

Collabora
07-25-2009, 04:19 PM
Unlimited Disk space is doesn't make any sense because no quota in hosting industry is something of marketing show. so do you waste your time or searching. Even you got it.

Like a previous poster, it doen't make sense to you because you don't know how to do it.

Ronok
07-25-2009, 04:24 PM
Many web hosting companies offer "unlimited" as a plan feature. It is impossible for any provider to actually provide an unlimited amount of bandwidth or disk space. It's just not possible.

Most websites only consume a very small amount of bandwidth and disk space. Web hosting companies that provide unlimited anything as a plan feature are banking on the fact that you won't use very much. Unlimited is a marketing trick to get your business. The web hosting market is very competitive. Although selling plans that pretend to be unlimited can seem dishonest, it does not mean that the hosting company will not provide good service. Check in the hosting company's Terms of Service: there will probably be a note about what "unlimited" really means.

If you have a small website and know that it will not consume too much space or bandwidth, then unlimited plans make your choices a bit easier to understand. Most plans that offer unlimited will have some restrictions such as no audio or video downloads. The reason audio or video downloads are typically not allowed in unlimited hosting plans is because these types of files consume significant bandwidth and disk space which exposes the host to the risk of having to add more hard drive space and bandwidth, which costs them more money. If you choose an unlimited plan and you know your needs won't be very intensive then you won't run into any problems.

If you intend to have a lot of visitors to your site, lots of downloads, including audio or video files, do not choose an unlimited plan hoping to get unrestricted bandwidth. You will find yourself with problems. Your web host is not going to run at a loss for long - they could shut down your website or even charge you extra (read the terms of service).

The best course of action is to plan ahead. Calculate what type of bandwidth and disk space you will need for your site (you can use the information and tools on the FindMyHosting site to do this) then multiply it by 2 just to allow for expansion. Remember, you can always buy more bandwidth or disk space if you need - often for only a few dollars a month extra. Look for plans that meet those requirements. Only consider an unlimited hosting plan if you know your disk space and bandwidth requirements are very low. If, on the other hand, you have an ecommerce site or a site that you expect to grow in size and bandwidth in future, avoid any plans that offer unlimited bandwidth or disk space.

Collabora
07-25-2009, 05:52 PM
Many web hosting companies offer "unlimited" as a plan feature. It is impossible for any provider to actually provide an unlimited amount of bandwidth or disk space. It's just not possible.

You've obviously never provisioned a server or created you own hosting plans. Ir if you have, you did it with limited knowledge.

Unlimited simply means "no quota." When you set up a hosting plan and do not define a quota you have an unlimited plan. Another way of saying it is: "you get what you need."

Most websites only consume a very small amount of bandwidth and disk space. Web hosting companies that provide unlimited anything as a plan feature are banking on the fact that you won't use very much.

Absolutely correct. Its also how "limited" hosts can have plans with large quotas. 99.9% of websites suitable for a shared server are less than 1GB. Anything over 1GB is effectively "unlimited."

Unlimited is a marketing trick to get your business.

That's ignorance or FUD marketing. All hosting plans are built to get your business.

The web hosting market is very competitive.

Yes, and the little startup, non technical company owners, and hosting kiddies are unable to either provision properly for it, and/or feel unable to compete with the unlimited plan. Hence the unlimited myths that you and others circlulate.

Check in the hosting company's Terms of Service: there will probably be a note about what "unlimited" really means...

...If you intend to have a lot of visitors to your site, lots of downloads, including audio or video files, do not choose an unlimited plan hoping to get unrestricted bandwidth...they could shut down your website or even charge you extra (read the terms of service).


Of course there will be a TOS with definition. But take some of your own advice. You will see that the TOSs of unlimited and limited are virtually the same. As long as customer does not substitute a vps or dedi server for an unlimited plan there is nothing unusual to worry about

The best course of action is to plan ahead. Calculate what type of bandwidth and disk space you will need for your site then multiply it by 2 just to allow for expansion. Remember, you can always buy more bandwidth or disk space if you need - often for only a few dollars a month extra. Look for plans that meet those requirements.

This is exactly why we have unlimited plans: so non-techie customer won't have to jump through these techie hoops for figure out what he needs.

The focus on tiers based on disk space and bandwidth quotas is geeky and confusing to most customers. The trend toward hosting plans with no quotas is a clear signal that quota-based pricing (for at least shared hosting accounts) is on its deathbed.

Collabora
07-25-2009, 05:56 PM
Only consider an unlimited hosting plan if you know your disk space and bandwidth requirements are very low. If, on the other hand, you have an ecommerce site or a site that you expect to grow in size and bandwidth in future, avoid any plans that offer unlimited bandwidth or disk space.

I wanted to separate this one out since it demonstrates an astonishing lack of understanding of the basics of web hosting.

All other things being equal a site that works on a 512 mb plan will work just as well if the site was on a 1GB plan, a 10GB plan or an unlimited plan.

JulesR
07-25-2009, 06:07 PM
The focus on tiers based on disk space and bandwidth quotas is geeky and confusing to most customers. The trend toward hosting plans with no quotas is a clear signal that quota-based pricing (for at least shared hosting accounts) is on its deathbed.
I completely disagree. The people who are likely to be confused by tiered packages generally don't shop for hosting themselves. These people in all likelihood will have their hosting account chosen by the very people who design or develop their sites, and those people will be fully aware of what package will suit them.

The rise of "unlimited hosting" marketing is simply to try and gain a competitive edge. I don't think anyone can disagree that side by side, an "unlimited" package certainly looks a lot more attractive than one that mentions limits.

This is where the hosting industry needs some regulation. Whilst tiered package providers advertise their limits and effective restrictions on their sites for all to see, unlimited hosts don't - they simply hide their restrictions beneath extremely vague and biased terms of service and acceptable usage policies.

Collabora
07-25-2009, 06:09 PM
The real marketing scam in this industry is the affiliate link farm that is masquerading as a legit hosting review site.

JulesR
07-25-2009, 06:12 PM
The real marketing scam in this industry is the affiliate link farm that is masquerading as a legit hosting review site.
Absolutely agree with you there, it's appalling.

Collabora
07-25-2009, 06:15 PM
I completely disagree. The people who are likely to be confused by tiered packages generally don't shop for hosting themselves.

Maybe that is why they are not shopping for themselves ;)

But the trend is definitely toward a non-quota based plan structure

JulesR
07-25-2009, 06:16 PM
Maybe that is why they are not shopping for themselves ;)
Exactly, which means you've confirmed that your own statement is inaccurate ;)

Collabora
07-25-2009, 06:19 PM
What?????????????

JulesR
07-25-2009, 06:21 PM
You stated that people advertise unlimited packages because tiered packages confuse most clients. I disagreed, stating that the people who are likely to be confused by tiered packages won't be the ones investigating/purchasing their hosting.

You then agreed, thus debunking your own statements.

Collabora
07-25-2009, 06:26 PM
You stated that people advertise unlimited packages because tiered packages confuse most clients. I disagreed, stating that the people who are likely to be confused by tiered packages won't be the ones investigating/purchasing their hosting.

You then agreed, thus debunking your own statements.

Ha ha. Not quite. It reinforces my assertion that the multi-tiered quota approach is confusing. The umlimited plan would make it less necessary to hire a 3rd party to select the plan. That so many do -- accroding to you -- is hard evidence that I am correct in describing the geekiness of the quota system

JulesR
07-25-2009, 06:38 PM
Not at all. Perhaps I didn't explain myself clearly.

The type of customer you're referring to who may be confused by multi tiered packages are usually also the type of customer who will often consult a third party developer to build their website(s). When people have sites developed, the developer usually needs to determine where the site will be hosted so that they can factor in things like possible server limitations. More often than not (at least in my experience), the client asks the developer to recommend or suggest a hosting provider. This makes sense, since the developer is more likely to be aware of good and bad hosts, particularly working in the industry.

Those who don't need to consult third party developers to build their sites are usually more than technically proficient enough to choose their own package and not be confused by multi tiered offerings.

So, as I was originally stating, I don't believe for a moment that multi tiered packages confuse most people. Perhaps an extraordinarily small proportion of people who experiment building sites using Microsoft Word or Frontpage ;) But "most" customers? Not by a long shot.

Collabora
07-25-2009, 06:53 PM
In my experience the vast majority of customers are non-technical and do manage to build a site themselves (and/or get some friendly assistance when needed0, or they are familiar with graphic design and html but not with the servers that house them. You can build a site but still not know the meaning of bandwidth, etc.

But to continue along your line of thinking, even so, the the quota-less plan makes it easier for anyone to choose a plan according to feature set.

JulesR
07-25-2009, 06:56 PM
Strange. I have the complete opposite experience :)

If you feel that tiered packages are confusing to clients, why do you offer tiered packages on your own site? ;) Or do you have the "unlimited" one thrown in there as a contrast to try and get those non-technical customers to sign up to that one? ;)

Collabora
07-25-2009, 07:09 PM
Stay tuned.....

Virtahost
07-25-2009, 09:50 PM
Like a previous poster, it doen't make sense to you because you don't know how to do it.

These companies are not given unlimited space for you but they give you an area with other areas, however, limited to one server and when the finish area, they give more room for the server and this is not good in terms of service :cool:

Collabora
07-26-2009, 11:41 AM
These companies are not given unlimited space for you but they give you an area with other areas, however, limited to one server and when the finish area, they give more room for the server and this is not good in terms of service :cool:

That's what shared hosting is and it happens with limited planned hosts. Whats the difference to the other sites on server if someone's 250 mb web site got there from a 1 GB plan or an unlimited plan? Nothing

Alex - Fibervolt
07-26-2009, 04:09 PM
haha I should go call a "Unlimited" hosting provider and ask: "Hi I got 17 TBs of space and usually use about 600-900 TB of bandwidth. Do you think you can handle it? Oh and during holiday months I use about 1000-2000 TBs. My record as 2462 TB of bandwidth :) I'm hoping to break that with my new host"

Collabora
07-26-2009, 04:16 PM
haha I should go call a "Unlimited" hosting provider and ask: "Hi I got 17 TBs of space and usually use about 600-900 TB of bandwidth. Do you think you can handle it? Oh and during holiday months I use about 1000-2000 TBs. My record as 2462 TB of bandwidth :) I'm hoping to break that with my new host"

Don't be ridiculous. That's the problem with you unlimited critics. You create a scenario that does not exist to prove something doesn't work. Furthermore, no one claims that an unlimited plan is a substitute for a dedicated or virtual server. No matter what the plan, we are talking about web sites suitable for a shared web server. Its idiotic posts like yours that keeps the customer confused.