Everyone cannot not like eggdrops:eek3: especially if they hang around irc quite alot.
But sometimes eggdrops are abused and sometimes they are used wisely, either for learning or for IRC (constructive) matters.
So when choosing a webhost why not choose one that provides a shell background for an eggdrop?
Would this be a bad thing? or an advantage for a better deal? :cartman:

you would be better off going with a shell provider for IRC stuff.

Kriz
I personally dont think its a good idea.
I provide a shell with my accounts but no IRC background process. They simply cause too many problems, the little script kids keep having nick wars on IRC so you end up suffering because of a $5US/mo user.
Some providers out there are making a living though, but the uplinks wouldn't be too happy with the big providers, they'd get attacked quite regularly I imagine.
- Ross

I agree with admin2, now a days eggdrops are used to:

1) Make a channel IRC bigger (no life)
2) Cause Warz on IRC and just waste your bandwith

or 3 for testing purposes.. but if the guy wants to test stuff Windrops exist (port to windows of the linux eggdrop).

Man that sucks, i wanted to have a full service account with a webhost. So i pay all for one.
Having an eggdrop as part of the service from the webhost is really that bad?:(

They attract DoS attacks

So we can say that a webhost, having the service of an eggdrop, isnt a good host.
I mean if more than one eggdrop exists with the webhost then theres a 50-50 chance that atleast some of them are being abused and so attracting attention and being attacked.

Also if you want to offer eggdrops, you gotta have multiple IPs and/or vhosts cause most IRC servers don't allow more than 3 connections per IP at a time and if there is more the IP will get klined (perm. banned) from the server.

I dont plan to serve eggdrops with my webhost account, only to have one for myself.
Hmm, talking about that point, would their be a difference if the webhost only allows you to connect one eggdrop with the shell per account? Would that make things better?

when under control they are fine.. just most people who run them are very irresponcible in their ownership.

Originally posted by Chr1s
Also if you want to offer eggdrops, you gotta have multiple IPs and/or vhosts cause most IRC servers don't allow more than 3 connections per IP at a time and if there is more the IP will get klined (perm. banned) from the server.

That is where the administrator or the system used for shell access needs to know an admin or a really friendly irc operator who is good friends with the admin of the irc server. They can set it up to allow you any number of connections from 1 IP address (vhost). Being a shell server admin would mean that for the most part, you have hung around on IRC all your life and know everyone, and for multiple networks as well. There is DALnet, EFnet, Undernet, and I don't know about you but if you check mIRC irc server listing lately everyone is running an irc network.

So what's my point? My point is that this requires severe amounts of DEDICATION to even make the eggdrop/irc services worthwhile. And yes, 9 times out of 10 the box will be under some type of DDoS attack- that's just the way it is. And not everyone is capable of just dropping the announcement of their shell server prefix, which means their webhosting is non-reachable.

But sure then there are other people with web servers in multiple locations but I'm really honestly not trying to cover everything here.

Leave IRC to kirenet, and webhosting to all these other guys around here on WHT.

ps. I am not affiled with kire at all, but I have noticed that they have been around for a decent amount of time.

-- Robert

We are against eggdrops of any kind, we gave them a go for a while, and just as quickly terminated the service, we had dos attacks daily, one that immense it took the whole network down.
For a few quid per month that providers charge it most deffinately is not worth it. If you host eggdrops don't expect very long uptimes because it just doesnt happen.

I agree with admin2, now a days eggdrops are used to:

1) Make a channel IRC bigger (no life)
2) Cause Warz on IRC and just waste your bandwith

or 3 for testing purposes.. but if the guy wants to test stuff Windrops exist (port to windows of the linux eggdrop).


4) to hold a channel.

Myacen said:
They attract DoS attacks


Yes and No. Depends who's using them.

it's that 'depends' that makes the difference though. Letting them onto servers is opening a pandora's box that the other customers sharing the box with that eggdrop/IRC software aren't going to appreciate very much.

Losing one customer over IRC material Vs upsetting a whole server... not much maths to do there :)

Greg Moore

Originally posted by jayjay


4) to hold a channel.

Holding a channel ain't a problem on most networks. If you look at DalNET and EfNet they have Chanserv and on Undernet they got X and W. Most networks have IRC services bots which not only protect your channel but you can also register your nickname... Eggdrops are just trouble makers...

Last I checked Efnet has never had services :D

But that is the nicer things about newer IRCd's they have acoompanying services that will easily intergrate into them...


And you can't just say eggdrops are trouble makers, thats a huge blanket statement... I've used to them to keep channel stats, for graphing, offer a few modules, such as weather stats, and give stats on a bulletin board....

Yeah, he must have meant Dalnet, instead of Efnet. Dalnet has Nickserv.

-Wc-

Put it this way, how many shell business's stay running for more than a year or 2? hardly any, it doesnt matter how reliable the customer is, if his/her bot is guarding a channel and someone wants it they will take huge pleasure dossing the hell out of it until it goes down. It uses huge masses of bandwith, puts your server in jeopardy and your trading status. Dalnet is the worst network of the lot and harbours many nasty characters, I would never give any client ssh access in my dreams after what has happened in the past, it cost us a fortune in bandwith bills and most other shell providers fall into the same trap.

Originally posted by Kriz
So we can say that a webhost, having the service of an eggdrop, isnt a good host.
I mean if more than one eggdrop exists with the webhost then theres a 50-50 chance that atleast some of them are being abused and so attracting attention and being attacked.

by no means can you say what you said, better to say the following.

a host that does not specialize or have specialized equipment for the IRC market, is at higher risk of service failure than any other host, that does not deal with the IRC market.

I believe there is a host here on WHT that all he does is the IRC market and has a fortune invested in dealing with the problems that might happen. yet he has a high level of maintanace issues but never service issues ( I wish I could recall his/ her name, interesting stuff they posted about the irc industry )

mike

ADEhost if ever you recall the name, would you mind mentioning it in the thread or kindly send me an email? :D
Thanks alot.

Originally posted by modihost
you would be better off going with a shell provider for IRC stuff.

i would tend to agree. most webhosting providers to not have the resources that a irc shell provider needs.

Originally posted by Kriz
ADEhost if ever you recall the name, would you mind mentioning it in the thread or kindly send me an email? :D
Thanks alot.

ok this is what I recall of the company

a) $125 or $150 or $250 firewall option, I sorry but the price was one of those 3, I can not recall

b) the leters "IRC" were in thier hosting companies name

c) they are atleast 9 months to a year old if not longer

d) I think they were in the souther part of the usa.

e) they were specialized in hosting irc business and related irc stuff

Mike

No problem, thanks for the info, ill keep an eye out :)