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zdwebhosting
09-15-2002, 01:40 PM
Ok which one would you choose and plesae include why.

I have loved p3's and hav'nt enjoyed the amd xp processor that much though.

i'm thinking of going dual p3 1ghz or 1.13 ghz or maybe even a p4 what would you choose ??

AntiSpamHosts
09-15-2002, 01:48 PM
I think P4 has very good ways of multi-tasking, but thats me.

clocker1996
09-15-2002, 02:00 PM
AMD XP's are awesome

2000+ :)

dual amd would be badass

dual amd xp 2000+

ffeingol
09-15-2002, 02:19 PM
None of the above :D. Dual Xeon 2.0 gig.

Frank

Onture
09-15-2002, 02:26 PM
Any Intel. I'm paranoid when it comes to heating issues. Some of the cases they use don't provide sufficent spacing/cooling. Like the 1RU's. But most will use standard mini tower cases for the AMD's anyway. I wouldn't mind going for AMD Athlons, as long they put on the heatsink/cpu properly + decent size case.

To those who run dedicated/colocated, how many dead AMD's and Intel's you get? even DOA's on a yearly basis. Be honest! ;)

KDAWebServices
09-15-2002, 05:00 PM
I'd go for Dual Intel 1.13Ghz (You'll be hard pressed to find P3 1Ghz at a decent price, so you may as well go for Tualatins with 512k cache). The Tualatins are good heat wise as two of them kick out about as much heat as P4 2.0Ghz, and dual CPU is better in my books for hosting as you have many concurant processes fighting for CPU time, and as they say, two heads are better than one, same goes for CPUs.

zdwebhosting
09-15-2002, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by KDAWebServices
I'd go for Dual Intel 1.13Ghz (You'll be hard pressed to find P3 1Ghz at a decent price, so you may as well go for Tualatins with 512k cache). The Tualatins are good heat wise as two of them kick out about as much heat as P4 2.0Ghz, and dual CPU is better in my books for hosting as you have many concurant processes fighting for CPU time, and as they say, two heads are better than one, same goes for CPUs.

yea i was thinking 1.13's

so 1.13 would be cheaper than 1.0 ?

KDAWebServices
09-15-2002, 05:16 PM
I doubt it, but it would prob only be about $15-$20 per CPU more expensive, but it's worth it.

viGeek
09-15-2002, 05:36 PM
Dual Athlon MP over the Dual P3's
Single Athlon MP over the pentium 4(non xeon)

KDAWebServices
09-15-2002, 05:44 PM
I've heard too many not so good things from people who have used Dual Athlons to not want to use them for web hosting. Yes Anandtech may preach about them, but there are plenty of people who don't.

I'd rather use a P4 than a single Athlon, P4s have thermal throttling if a fan happens to die - I hear you crying, "how often does that happen", well it does happen, we we're burning in a P4 the other day and after about 5 days the fan failed (A thermaltake 1U cooler), but the server kept on running for another 5 days without problems simply because the P4 has the thermal throttling, if it had been an AMD we'd have known about it via the smoke alarms.

kerplunk
09-15-2002, 06:01 PM
Intel > AMD (for servers)
P4 > P3 (in general)

I voted the Intel Pentium 4. I actually have a Intel P4 1.6ghz 512kb cache server running and it's awesome. Very fast.

zdwebhosting
09-15-2002, 06:09 PM
hmm so p4 1.6 or dual p3's ? which one this hard lol :)

kerplunk
09-15-2002, 06:11 PM
OH

DUAL... I see.

I also have a Dual 1ghz PIII... very odd...

I like them both. It depends on what you are running, but anything dual is better.

Go for the Dual PIII.

zdwebhosting
09-15-2002, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by kerplunk
OH

DUAL... I see.

I also have a Dual 1ghz PIII... very odd...

I like them both. It depends on what you are running, but anything dual is better.

Go for the Dual PIII.

yea thats what I want to do :)

JBIZ718
09-15-2002, 07:23 PM
Go xeon,

ffeingol
09-15-2002, 07:34 PM
Yea, that's what I was wondering. What do people think of the 2+ Ghz. Xeon's?

Frank

kerplunk
09-15-2002, 07:53 PM
Yeah, go xeon.... NO.

His question did not concern any use of Xeon processor(s).

No man, just buy a new 23 million dollar house. Screw the Internet. Oh wait, that wasn't an option either.

No wait, just go Xeon.

zdwebhosting
09-15-2002, 09:10 PM
yea dont need a xeon here but if you guys wanna chat about that do it :)

MarlboroMan
09-15-2002, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by KDAWebServices
I'd rather use a P4 than a single Athlon, P4s have thermal throttling if a fan happens to die - I hear you crying, "how often does that happen", well it does happen, we we're burning in a P4 the other day and after about 5 days the fan failed (A thermaltake 1U cooler), but the server kept on running for another 5 days without problems simply because the P4 has the thermal throttling, if it had been an AMD we'd have known about it via the smoke alarms.

Any halfway decent Athlon board will have an auto-shutoff switch linked to the main CPU fan header, that will perform a shutdown of the computer if it detects the RPM reading on the fan to drop too low for over 5 seconds. Most boards can also be programmed to shut down if the CPU reaches a certain temperature. It's all a matter of getting everything setup before you finally rack it home.

Get-Hosted.com
09-16-2002, 04:24 AM
Originally posted by MarlboroMan


Any halfway decent Athlon board will have an auto-shutoff switch linked to the main CPU fan header, that will perform a shutdown of the computer if it detects the RPM reading on the fan to drop too low for over 5 seconds. Most boards can also be programmed to shut down if the CPU reaches a certain temperature. It's all a matter of getting everything setup before you finally rack it home.

Yep...
Some boards have the CPU shutdown temperature monitor. When it goes over a certain temp, it will just shut the computer down. If a fan dies while using this, it'd be easy to spot, and you'd be up and running in no time with a new fan.

I don't know about a P4 working without active cooling for very long... I forget how much they actually throttle the CPU, but I thought it was around 50% CPU speed? If it doesn't drop it down even more, to the hundreds of Mhz... then I think you'll have an overheated CPU, or an Extremely poor performing server.

KDAWebServices
09-16-2002, 08:32 AM
Well the server we were burning in was still returning a good Distributed.net score under throttling.

The other thing is, you're much more likely to find a decent mobo for Intel chips suitable for servers.