I give up on IE

Is it just me, or does IE badly destroy html/css? Every time I make a design - even a simple one, I go to test in IE and it totally slaughters the page. IE ignores lot of css parameters such as width, border-spacing, padding, etc... but only at random.
Has anyone else noticed this, and just totally gave up on trying to make stuff work in IE? It's sad that it's the most dominant browser, as it's also the oldest and most outdated as far as technology goes. I also love to use transparent PNGs but IE really screws those up badly.
I heard IE8 will be W3C compliant, but that's like saying OJ Simpson saves kittens, I doubt it's going to happen.





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Anyway, IE is one of the greatest web browser. Stable, fast and versatile. I used to hate it. Now I think it is always great.

No offense, but you are crazy!
Stable--never has been
Fast--not really
Versatile--HECK no. If it's not IE's way it's the highway.
Secure--Not even close and doesn't even pretend to be.
All IE has been good at and it's what Microsoft has always been good at for better or for worse, is to bully the little guy and stomp out competition.
Not until FF came along, was there a real challenge to MS and IE. Long live FF and other alternative browsers who do things better, faster, more securely, and with the end-user in mind.





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Are you certain you are setting up your DOCTYPE correctly in your documents? If not, IE (and others) will kick you into quirks mode, which will make the rendering of CSS highly unpredictable. Quirks mode exists so browsers can continue to interpret legacy sites (pre-2000s), and improper DOCTYPES or lack thereof will typically cause quirks mode to activate. In IE, this mode is particularly tricky.
I've yet to see an IE bug that couldn't be overcome with valid CSS coding techniques. Once you arm yourself with various ways of coding, you'll find IE is actually pretty easy to manage





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I've tried to put a doctype but no changes. Basically, it seems to ignore stuff like margin,padding, width, border-spacing at random. border-spacing always. This alone makes a huge difference. The only workaround is to specify it in the table tag (cellspacing="") if I recall.





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Originally Posted by Fred88


Anyway, IE is one of the greatest web browser. Stable, fast and versatile. I used to hate it. Now I think it is always great.


Huh? How did you get that out of IE? Are you sure you aren't using Firefox with the IE theme?
Yes, IE butchers code. Especially IE6. IE7 is an improvement but it's still terrible. When im working on websites i usually spend double the amount of time i do actually working on the time vs. fixing things in IE6. A lot of the time we just ignore it these days, it takes way too much time. For the amount of IE6 visitors we get these days, we just don't care.





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Originally Posted by Red Squirrel


I've tried to put a doctype but no changes. Basically, it seems to ignore stuff like margin,padding, width, border-spacing at random. border-spacing always. This alone makes a huge difference. The only workaround is to specify it in the table tag (cellspacing="") if I recall.


I agree with someone above you say. It's just that you're not using the correct syntax and/or following the rules.
I'm working on a web app that we must test for compatibility with 3 major browsers (IE, FF and Safari), each with the two latest major versions.. and I found that IE is always the most forgiving.
If you could provide a snippet of your HTML and CSS and we might be able to shed some light to it.





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The newest IE versions definitely have some issues (particularly speed; sometimes also display), but IE is prevalent enough that web sites still need to be designed with IE prominently in mind. It's not an ideal situation, but it's the reality to work with.
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Originally Posted by Red Squirrel


I've tried to put a doctype but no changes. Basically, it seems to ignore stuff like margin,padding, width, border-spacing at random. border-spacing always. This alone makes a huge difference. The only workaround is to specify it in the table tag (cellspacing="") if I recall.


Could you post an example of your markup here? There's no such thing as "border-spacing" but certainly the other styles you mentioned should be fully supported by IE going all the way back to 5.x.
It may seem like browsers are displaying random bugs, but 99 times out of 100, you'll be able to find and overcome a pattern in browser behavior if you know where to look and you look hard enough. There's nothing random about what browsers do - randomizing isn't programmed into them





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Well I just use different CSS files, one for IE and the other for FireFox, etc.





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I just noticed this thread as I am on my way out but just wanted to add that there are code fixes available for IE6

Ie is a most used browser. But i prefer Firefox. It's more useful for me and my work.