http://www.sptimes.com/2002/08/28/Citrus/Mother_in_shock_over_.shtml

[UPDATE]
i renamed this thread... but take note... i m not a racist dumb sh*t... i m a muslim myself... heh... and no, i do not accept nor tolerate what happened on sept 11th...

Booze makes terrorists. We have to arrest the terrorists. :rolleyes:

That is shocking. :mad:

and on that note... booze and terrorists... u know the sept 11 hijackers supposedly went to a bar n got themselves drunk b4 taking over the planes? being hardcore muslims who believe they will go to heaven for their actions, why would they drink? drinking is against one of the most sacred rules in their religion... no drinking, period... ONLY exception is if the drinking is for a serious medical reason... so... do they think they are still going to heaven? they must realize they aren't following the laws of islam... n if they realize they are violating a law (this law is engrained into EVERY muslim in the world, many violate it... but those many also don't go crashing planes into towers thinking they will go to heaven)... then they must also realize they aren't going to heaven... hence the whole argument that they are doing this for their faith goes out the window... then the fact that they're muslim becomes irrelavent... so why does everybody associate muslims with terrorism?

Originally posted by mind21_98
Booze makes terrorists. We have to arrest the terrorists. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by netdude
so why does everybody associate muslims with terrorism?

We don't. It's always the terrorists who associate themselves with muslims.

I guess they have to convince themselves that what they are doing is good

On the drinking part: If I was about to fly an airplane into a 100 story building and burst into a ball of flames I'ld drink so much they'ld have to carry me into that plane :cartman:

<edit>to get back on the subject: I just read the article and I think the judge had a few drinks too much himself when he gave the guy that sentence. Some higher court should step in and relieve him from duty as he obviously is not on the same planet. Don't you ppl in the US have a MAXIMUM penalty to give for certain crimes?

Overhere you have to a) stay in line with previous rulings on the same issues (can't send one person to jail for 10 years while another got 5 months community service for the same crime) and b) For each offence the law has a maximum amount of punishment set. It's up to the judge to decide if the sentence should be on the lower or upper end of the scale mostly depending on previous offences but he can never give 10 years for drinking beer.
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Thats ridiculous..

i think the judge is trying to get his point accross...as for muslims how can they say they're peaceful people? have any of you read the koran?! peace isn't exactly what they are all about. as for terrorist why are we wasting money keeping them in cuba (at guatomo bay or whatever) why dont we just execute them...most of them aren't US citizens (in fact it think only one was (john walker)) so therefore they have no rights.

Originally posted by interactive
i think the judge is trying to get his point accross...as for muslims how can they say they're peaceful people? have any of you read the koran?! peace isn't exactly what they are all about. as for terrorist why are we wasting money keeping them in cuba (at guatomo bay or whatever) why dont we just execute them...most of them aren't US citizens (in fact it think only one was (john walker)) so therefore they have no rights.

Some proof would be nice. Perhaps a few lines from the Koran? Oh yeah, and don't just pull the lines that help your cause.

There are the good Muslims, and then there are the bad (the hijackers). You sound like you want to take all the Arabs in Detroit and throw em in internment camps or something. :eek:

dont call me racist or prejudice but here goes this is all jsut my opinion so take it as you want... ill get some lines out of the koran in a bit...though it sounds liek you are contradicting yourself. anyways im still waiting to meet that good muslim....ill have you this...to me muslims have no place around me........so ya maybe i am racist but we are all entitled to our opinions...

Originally posted by interactive
dont call me racist or prejudice but here goes this is all jsut my opinion so take it as you want... ill get some lines out of the koran in a bit...though it sounds liek you are contradicting yourself. anyways im still waiting to meet that good muslim....ill have you this...to me muslims have no place around me........so ya maybe i am racist but we are all entitled to our opinions...

Against my better judgement, I'll bite.

Hmm, what's your definition of a "good" Muslim? Is it someone who leans way toward the left on the religious spectrum (as in "might as well call him atheist")?

in my opinion there is no left there is no right to the religous prospective....to me a good muslim would be someone who practiced what they preached if you cathc my drift...

need i say more:


Koran 8:12 Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them." Here Mohammed is giving step by step instruction on how to torture and kill Kafirs if they don't follow Islam.


Koran 47:4 When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take ransom from them, until War shall lay down her burdens.

Koran 5:51 Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrong-doers.


Koran 9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued.


Koran 9:29 Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the jiziya (poll tax) with the hand of humility.


Koran 9:73 Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their Home: an evil fate.



would you like more?

I have some lines for you too:

[9.107]: And those who built a masjid to cause harm and for unbelief and to cause disunion among the believers and an ambush to him who made war against Allah and His Apostle before; and they will certainly swear: We did not desire aught but good; and Allah bears witness that they are most surely liars.

[22.39]: Permission (to fight) is given to those upon whom war is made because they are oppressed, and most surely Allah is well able to assist them;

I just pulled these 2 lines from a search, but I think you'll get the message. Just from these two lines I get the impression that Islam does not permit groups such as the Taliban who do not promote the same form of Islam everyone else does, and that fighting is only for the purpose of self-defense.

Of course, you could probably find equally opposite lines in there too, but it all depends on how it's intepreted. I would bet that other religious books have equally nasty lines in there but I couldn't say for certain.

Oh yeah, a few more:

[2.224] And make not Allah because of your swearing (by Him) an obstacle to your doing good and guarding (against evil) and making peace between men, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.

[49.9] And if two parties of the believers quarrel, make peace between them; but if one of them acts wrongfully towards the other, fight that which acts wrongfully until it returns to Allah's command; then if it returns, make peace between them with justice and act equitably; surely Allah loves those who act equitably.

(source: http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/)

actually i didn't look in any books if you were implying that i have studied islam for a while to get a better understanding of it. in response to the ones you posted....so can i say that the koran just contradicted them selves look at what i posted and look at what you posted could just be me though...

im getting them from the same place too though the search thing the (simple search) sucks...

Originally posted by interactive
actually i didn't look in any books if you were implying that i have studied islam for a while to get a better understanding of it. in response to the ones you posted....so can i say that the koran just contradicted them selves look at what i posted and look at what you posted could just be me though...

So do most other major religious texts. For a while, it was blasphemous to believe the Earth was round because it went against creationism. :eek:

Koran 22:19-22:23 Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: 'Taste the torment of the Conflagration!'

Koran 18:28-30 For the wrongdoers We have prepared a fire which will encompass them like the walls of a pavilion. When they cry out for help they shall be showered with water as hot as molten brass, which will scald their faces. Evil shall be their drink, dismal their resting-place.

That just explains Hell. I fail to see how that makes a religion violent. :rolleyes:

some more:
Koran 2:39 Those who reject faith shall be the companions of the Fire.

Koran 2:89-90 The curse of Allah is on the unbelievers... humiliating is the punishment.

Koran 13:13 ..He hurls his thunderbolts at whom he pleases Yet the unbelievers wrangle about Allah..

Koran 58:5 Those who resist Allah and his messenger will be humbled to dust.

Koran 70:15-16 The fire of Hell will pluck out his being right to the skull..

Koran 5:10 As for those who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, they are the heirs of Hell.


and show me some proof please about the thing you sad about " it was blasphemous to believe the Earth was round because it went against creationism. "

did you not see the oens i posted first? they have nothing (well most of them i beleive) to do with hell....

From http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/FlatMisStat.htm:

Rightly wishing to dispel notions regarding the alleged citrus-like shape of our planet, the Church was able to either silence or execute nearly all the fanatics. But a small handful remained, continuing to spread their blasphemous speeches and to promote their heretical ideals involving the very center of the universe. One of their number, who called himself Grigori Efimovich, would later be known to the rest of the world as Christopher Columbus. Using an elaborate setup involving hundreds of mirrors and a few burlap sacks, he was able to create an illusion so convincing that it was actually believed he had sailed around the entire planet and landed in the West Indies. As we now know, he did not. What Efimovich actually did was sail across the Atlantic Ocean to a previously undiscovered continent, North America, and even then only to a small island off the coast. It took him several years more even to "discover" his blunder and claim it as a " . . . new world". But the damage had already been done, and mankind entered into what we now call its "Dark Ages" . . . .

Thank God for Google. :)

Originally posted by interactive
did you not see the oens i posted first? they have nothing (well most of them i beleive) to do with hell....

Yes, I saw the first ones. I was referring to the most recent ones you pasted. In any case, they can still be intepreted in different ways. Taken literally they could sound quite violent, but if looked at figurtatively, they hold far different meanings.

umm maybe your ignorant buy just so oyu know back in that day the roman catholic church was generally referred to as the "church". now catholsism (obviously you didn't know this) is totally different then christianity. roman catholics then were just legalistic freaks more then they were religous people. get my drift?

well im off to bed night. ill look atthis thread in the morning. if you want i'd love to continue this debate feel free to pm or email me....night.

Originally posted by interactive
why dont we just execute them...most of them aren't US citizens (in fact it think only one was (john walker)) so therefore they have no rights.

:eek: Maybe I should cancel my vacation to the US... :rolleyes:

Ok first of all, Nancy, I don't know how familiar you are with the concept of a
"book", so I will start from the top. Often times, books, for instance you
might read Sweet Valley High, are arranged into chapters. Each chapter is made
up of many sentences. So, when you read a book, you read the first sentence.
Then the seconds sentence. Then the third. You continue in this fashion until
you reach the end. You don't start in the middle and read one sentence and
neglect to read at least a few of the previous sentences. This is also
important, when reading a book like the Quran to look at the historical
signficance of the verses. When where the revealed and under what
circumstances. Why? Because otherwise you end up reading the sentence
completely out of context. Sadly, Nancy, you seem to have done just that.

Koran 8:12 Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am
with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts
of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips
of them." Here Mohammed is giving step by step instruction on how to torture
and kill Kafirs if they don't follow Islam.


This sentence, when read in conjunction with the previous sentences, has
nothing to do with "how to torture and kill Kafirs." Instead, it is the
retelling of part of the Battle of Badr, in which a Meccan army was headed to
attack the Muslim people who lived in Madinah (which at the time was home of
the small Muslim population which was seeking refuge from the people of Mecca).
The Muslims won the battle. This sentence says that Angels helped the Muslims
during the battle and the Muslims managed to defeat the opposing army. When you
are fighting with swords it just so happens you attack the neck. Big suprise.
Certainly not any suggestion that Muslims attack people just because the do not
practice Islam

Koran 47:4 When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their
heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant
them their freedom or take ransom from them, until War shall lay down her
burdens.


Again same thing, read the sentences around it. It is clear this is referrin to
meeting the unbelievers IN THE BATTLEFIELD. In fact, it even makes it clear
that if the enemy surrenders you should take prisoners of war and not kill them
just for the heck of it. Afterwards you should free them. If Islam was so
against unbelievers, wouldnt the religious text demand they kill them? As you
can see, it does not, instead it is obvious that Muslims should not harm people
who are not agressors against them.

Koran 5:51 Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends.
They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall
become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrong-doers.


That appears to be a slightly off translation of the word `auliya' which means
something closer to "allies/protectors." Basically this verse tells Muslims
not to rely on non-Muslims for their protection and to instead make it a point
to provide for your own protection. For instance, don't disband your army just
because some other country says "yo dude, we'll protect you if you get
attacked." It does not mean do not make friends with christians or jews. Some
of my friends are from both of these faiths.


Koran 9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the
forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor
acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until
they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued.
Koran 9:29 Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay
the jiziya (poll tax) with the hand of humility.

Ok this sentence brings up the issue of the Jiziyah tax. In a properly run
Muslim country (so such country exists today) the army is staffed by Muslim
men. Jews and Christians are not required to participate in any military
activity. Instead they are asked to pay a "protection tax" which goes to the
upkeep of the military in leui of their fighting with the military. Basically,
no non-muslim is asked to risk their life for a muslim country but they should
give their fair share to provide for the security of the country. The tax is
not excessive.



Koran 9:73 Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and
deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their Home: an evil fate.

This verse was revealed for a specific period of time in which people who
claimed to be Muslim but were in fact hypocrites who were plotting against the
religion (They made a fake mosque and stuff) were being tolerated. Muslims were
told to openly make it clear that they rejected these hypocrites and as such,
they destroyed the fake mosque. It ended there.



would you like more?

Sure! I'll be glad to help you understand some more of the Quran.
Just remember, if Islam was really as bad as some misguided inviduals make it
out to be, you would have seen the praticing Muslims here in America go out and
be violent. The truth is, of the 6 million Muslims in the US, only a handful
have hurt non-muslims. That handful are clearly misguided and Muslims believe
that such individuals are wrong.

Originally posted by generic
Ok first of all, Nancy, I don't know how familiar you are with the concept of a
"book", so I will start from the top. Often times, books, for instance you
might read Sweet Valley High, are arranged into chapters. Each chapter is made
up of many sentences. So, when you read a book, you read the first sentence.
Then the seconds sentence. Then the third. You continue in this fashion until
you reach the end. You don't start in the middle and read one sentence and
neglect to read at least a few of the previous sentences. This is also
important, when reading a book like the Quran to look at the historical
signficance of the verses. When where the revealed and under what
circumstances. Why? Because otherwise you end up reading the sentence
completely out of context. Sadly, Nancy, you seem to have done just that.

Koran 8:12 Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am
with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts
of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips
of them." Here Mohammed is giving step by step instruction on how to torture
and kill Kafirs if they don't follow Islam.


This sentence, when read in conjunction with the previous sentences, has
nothing to do with "how to torture and kill Kafirs." Instead, it is the
retelling of part of the Battle of Badr, in which a Meccan army was headed to
attack the Muslim people who lived in Madinah (which at the time was home of
the small Muslim population which was seeking refuge from the people of Mecca).
The Muslims won the battle. This sentence says that Angels helped the Muslims
during the battle and the Muslims managed to defeat the opposing army. When you
are fighting with swords it just so happens you attack the neck. Big suprise.
Certainly not any suggestion that Muslims attack people just because the do not
practice Islam

Koran 47:4 When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their
heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant
them their freedom or take ransom from them, until War shall lay down her
burdens.


Again same thing, read the sentences around it. It is clear this is referrin to
meeting the unbelievers IN THE BATTLEFIELD. In fact, it even makes it clear
that if the enemy surrenders you should take prisoners of war and not kill them
just for the heck of it. Afterwards you should free them. If Islam was so
against unbelievers, wouldnt the religious text demand they kill them? As you
can see, it does not, instead it is obvious that Muslims should not harm people
who are not agressors against them.

Koran 5:51 Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends.
They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall
become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrong-doers.


That appears to be a slightly off translation of the word `auliya' which means
something closer to "allies/protectors." Basically this verse tells Muslims
not to rely on non-Muslims for their protection and to instead make it a point
to provide for your own protection. For instance, don't disband your army just
because some other country says "yo dude, we'll protect you if you get
attacked." It does not mean do not make friends with christians or jews. Some
of my friends are from both of these faiths.


Koran 9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the
forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor
acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until
they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued.
Koran 9:29 Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay
the jiziya (poll tax) with the hand of humility.

Ok this sentence brings up the issue of the Jiziyah tax. In a properly run
Muslim country (so such country exists today) the army is staffed by Muslim
men. Jews and Christians are not required to participate in any military
activity. Instead they are asked to pay a "protection tax" which goes to the
upkeep of the military in leui of their fighting with the military. Basically,
no non-muslim is asked to risk their life for a muslim country but they should
give their fair share to provide for the security of the country. The tax is
not excessive.



Koran 9:73 Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and
deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their Home: an evil fate.

This verse was revealed for a specific period of time in which people who
claimed to be Muslim but were in fact hypocrites who were plotting against the
religion (They made a fake mosque and stuff) were being tolerated. Muslims were
told to openly make it clear that they rejected these hypocrites and as such,
they destroyed the fake mosque. It ended there.



would you like more?

Sure! I'll be glad to help you understand some more of the Quran.
Just remember, if Islam was really as bad as some misguided inviduals make it
out to be, you would have seen the praticing Muslims here in America go out and
be violent. The truth is, of the 6 million Muslims in the US, only a handful
have hurt non-muslims. That handful are clearly misguided and Muslims believe
that such individuals are wrong.

Well said, and welcome to WHT.
I am Christian, and have several Muslim friends. They are great guys/friends (great food!), and its upsetting to see them treated poorly due to the actions of a relatively small group that as generic said, is simply misguided (and heartless).

And interactive, it's clear you know nothing about what you are talking about, because you were forced to try to prove your point by selecting sentences from the middle of a paragraph (or from the whole meaning), when I'm sure you knew it changed the entire meaning. As genetic said, providing one sentence out of the entirity does not have the same interpretation--- you must read it in the context it was written in, or don't post it--- cause you never know when a Muslim will pop up and prove you wrong. :D

Zak

Originally posted by interactive
most of them aren't US citizens (in fact it think only one was (john walker)) so therefore they have no rights.

because they arent' US citizens they have no rights? what a nice person that you are!, why don't you go to other country so we can kill you?

i mean... this is where i've just got to ask interactive if hes sleeping with his sister... LOL... according to his dumba** logic, everybody outside the US has no rights... (cuz most of them aren't US citizens)...

have u looked at the crime statistics lately? ya know... most of 'em are committed by 'christians'... (i am very sorry to say that, like 99.9% of my friends are christian)... percentage wise... i mean... there are more blacks in jail than in college... why not just go to africa and nuke them to hell? they have no rights... and that way, they can't ship over more black people, eh (can ya tell i'm canadian? lol... eh?)?

i was going to say african-american but i figure they aren't american yet if they haven't ever been to the US... (in most cases i am guessing)...

by bringing up john walker, i think he is implying all non-americans abroad also have no rights... because john walker never fought for the taliban in the US...

Originally posted by netdude
i mean... this is where i've just got to ask interactive if hes sleeping with his sister... LOL... according to his dumba** logic, everybody outside the US has no rights... (cuz most of them aren't US citizens)...

have u looked at the crime statistics lately? ya know... most of 'em are committed by 'christians'...

Hey, we should nuke the Vatican and kill the pope!

interactive... i am guessing you believe that americans are the true superior culture of god and that all others must die in the service of americans/god... doesn't that sound just slightly familiar?

why not just get a lynch mob all ready? (jedito, i know ur being sarcastic, i hope... lol)

Originally posted by Jedito


Hey, we should nuke the Vatican and kill the pope!

LOL, yes, I'm beign sarcastic :)

Originally posted by netdude
interactive... i am guessing you believe that americans are the true superior culture of god and that all others must die in the service of americans/god... doesn't that sound just slightly familiar?

Pretty soon we'll believe in divine right all over again at this rate. :(

first off i guess your extremly ignorant or something. but when they are tried in the usa they are not american citizens therefore they don't not have the rights of such. point said. as for muslims i honestly dont give a crap about them as long as they dont mess with me i dont plan on messing with them. ahh peace....and just so y'all know just cause you live in the USA or have been to the USA doesn't mean your a citizen of the USA. what do you think would happen if you were say from denmark or something (just using this as an example) and ran a red lgith and hit someone and killed them. what do you think would happen?

i mean... this is where i've just got to ask interactive if hes sleeping with his sister... LOL... according to his dumba** logic, everybody outside the US has no rights... (cuz most of them aren't US citizens)...

have u looked at the crime statistics lately? ya know... most of 'em are committed by 'christians'...


first off i dont have a sister so your logic stops right about there....second off show me when the last christian bombed a US embassey in 98 killing over 200 people or when they attacked WTC. i mean all those muslims that fight like that are cowards. i know why we first developed the nuke now. sadly we dotn use it much anymore.

Originally posted by interactive
first off i guess your extremly ignorant or something. but when they are tried in the usa they are not american citizens therefore they don't not have the rights of such.

Care to please translate me that?
Sorry, but I don't understand.

When they are tried to do what?

BTW, everybody have rights, if you want to ignore them and violate them, that's another history.
Exactly that is what USA its doing with the prisioners in Guantanamo (that's the name of the Cuban Base). USA its violation all the war conventions, the Ginebra Treatry, Geneva, the Costa Rica Convention and more.

Do not request civilization when you're action like a Barbarian.

Originally posted by interactive


first off i dont have a sister so your logic stops right about there....second off show me when the last christian bombed a US embassey in 98 killing over 200 people or when they attacked WTC. i mean all those muslims that fight like that are cowards. i know why we first developed the nuke now. sadly we dotn use it much anymore.

A Jewish doctor in Florida almost went through with his plot to blow up a bunch of mosques in that state. Your logic stops right there. Oh yeah, there is also something called media bias. There are terrorists who aren't Muslim; you just don't hear much about what happens overseas.

Originally posted by interactive


first off i dont have a sister so your logic stops right about there....second off show me when the last christian bombed a US embassey in 98 killing over 200 people or when they attacked WTC. i mean all those muslims that fight like that are cowards. i know why we first developed the nuke now. sadly we dotn use it much anymore.

Approximately 680,000 rapes each year in the US.
25,000 murders each year in the US.
While I couldn't find the statistics for the number of Christians that commited these acts, I'd assume it's relatively significant.
When I was a kid I would get in fights with my brother, call him names, etc.. If someone agreed with me I would defend my brother. (I was 12 years old) -loads redneck plugin- "It's ok to rape 680,000 of our own women each year, and murder 25,000+, but when them damn Muslamies comes into this here country and murders 2,800..." you get my point.
Your arrogant (and ignorant) attitude implies that you feel that our 25,000/year does not come close to comparing to the 3,000 killings commited by other religions/nationalities over many years.
The only true differences I see in the two (WTC & other acts of violence) is the mass destruction of the WTC, and of cource the city officials, and such. I don't feel that the WTC should have recieved any less attention than it did, because it was a very tragic event. But, I think we have a war much larger (in terms of numbers) within our country, so we should do more to stop that.
The WTC has served as an out for rednecks like yourself to relieve the racial tension you have amongst other countries.

Note: I'm not opposed to going to war, but I think there should be some major focus put towards the crimes commited within our borders.

Originally posted by mind21_98

There are terrorists who aren't Muslim; you just don't hear much about what happens overseas.
Like the IRA (Catholic and Christian terrorist organization in Northern Ireland)

Originally posted by interactive
. what do you think would happen if you were say from denmark or something (just using this as an example) and ran a red lgith and hit someone and killed them. what do you think would happen?

I am not sure what you think would happen? You think they'ld shoot him because he is not from the US and has no rights? :D

He'll get a trial and his rights read. The same rights as anyone. He'll probably get convicted for involuntary manslaughter and he'll be allowed to finish his time in a Danish jail because of treaties that exist between Denmark and the US.

There will be absolutly no difference no matter what country he is from.

Still, interested to hear what YOU think would happen though :D :D

Originally posted by interactive
i know why we first developed the nuke now. sadly we dotn use it much anymore.

For good reason too. It's called "mutually assured destruction". If one nation launches a nuke at another nation, the other nation defends itself with a nuke. Eventually the entire world would be nuked. This one concept kept the US and the Soviet Union from starting World War 3.

lol we have enough nukes though (the usa) to destroy the earth 10 times over...so lets just destory everyone but us..works for me what about you? lol calling me a red neck just shows how little you know about me. just a FYI for you all im 100% navajo when was the last time you saw a navajo red neck?

BTW when i was talking about rights i meant constitutional rights.....i think every human has rights..some more then others...

I guess that you have to read the USA constitution again.

k... how about timmy and the oklahoma federal building? who are you to say that the attack on hiroshima wasn't an act of terrorism? god give you the right to declare japan as wrong? the US submarine that attacked the japanese first has been found (which was believed to be a myth b4), which then led to pearl harbour... ... ... hiroshima geting nuked... so aren't americans terrorists in that sense? if the americans didn't attack first, they wouldn't have gotten attacked...

u know in WW2, hitler was following the 'laws of the sea' by not arming civilian ships? a law based on honor... it was sir winston churchill (british) that made the bold (and generally speaking, unethical) move of hiding weapons on civilian ships and when german submarines/vessels would stop them, the weapons would be raised from the hold and blow up the german ship... the germans were not trying to cause harm to the civilian ship but rather just do an inspection... (i do think the germans were wrong in WW2, killing off a race isn't right)

so ya know what... it always seems the one with the most power to kill is the one with the right to call the others 'wrong' and 'bad'...

interactive... been on the jerry springer show lately?

Originally posted by interactive


first off i dont have a sister so your logic stops right about there....second off show me when the last christian bombed a US embassey in 98 killing over 200 people or when they attacked WTC. i mean all those muslims that fight like that are cowards. i know why we first developed the nuke now. sadly we dotn use it much anymore.

BTW, has been proved that the USA knew about the attack to pearl harbour, that's why they moved the most important ships out there, even that they knew it, they didn't prevented it, USA citizen were against to see USA involved in the WW2 and the gov used Pearl Harbour as an excuse to declare the war to Japan.

Originally posted by interactive
lol we have enough nukes though (the usa) to destroy the earth 10 times over...so lets just destory everyone but us..works for me what about you? lol calling me a red neck just shows how little you know about me. just a FYI for you all im 100% navajo when was the last time you saw a navajo red neck?

I didn't claim to know anything about you, other than what YOU write. Your comments are those of a racist and barbarian. Enough said..

Zak

so your saying a red neck is a racist barbarian? and no i dont like jerry springer kinda a lamer....;)....and for all your history buffs....look who was president during what happend at pearl harbor? he knew it was coming, but the japanese were planning on attacking wthell do you think they had 95% of their fleet there....

Maybe we should tone it down or else this thread will get locked too. :bawling:

good idea sorry for "yelling" ;)

exactly... interactive, u realize what you're saying?

regardless of that situation... the US is the one that started that battle (trying to do it covertly)... and they needed that battle to be able to justify a war against japan (which the american civilian population was against)... because they needed the ability to slow down the economic power of japan...

simply put: americans were the agressive force...

and now... iraq as of yet has shown no direct agressive tendancies against the US... but the US military is on high alert, moved to that area of the world... just waiting for a reason to bomb the hell out of 'em... iraq blows up an american civilian car, it'll give the US government enough civilian support to go to war...

I wonder how can a country go to the war without a SINGLE proof of that Iraq have chemical weapons.

Bush didn't proved that Iraq its a menace to the world, but, in november there are elections in USA, and that bastard think that its enought reason to kill another 500.000 persons like his father did in the 91.

see they do have proof. iraq has come out and bragged about it. thats like knowing your kid has a gun and they're telling their friends one dya while your sleeping they're going to kill you. would you just sit there and say "Oh timmy's a good boy he wont kill me". and the major reason we didn't like japan was one cause they were commies, and two cause ya they had economic power....and a large milatary force...

jedito you obviously dont know history too well...the reason bush senior attacked iraq in 91 ( golf war ) would be because the cowardous (if thats a word) saudi's were begging and pleading for us to save their butt's in kuwait. so we kicked iraq's butt so bad they retreated and went back into their land. the reason bush junior is trying to get support is cause the saudi's aren't begging and pleading. they have nothing against iraq. bush could have a big problem if he does attack iraq thugh. cause he could piss of the saudi's and they would stop selling oil to every da*n asain,euro, etc.. then we would have them on our butts to. and as i said previously thank god for nukes.....

Originally posted by interactive
...and the major reason we didn't like japan was one cause they were commies, and two cause ya they had economic power....and a large milatary force...

No. They were facist. Pure communism doesn't quite mix well with the Axis powers' desire to take over the world.

they were commies plain and simple....marxism....look at the facts...the government brain washed and controlled everything...commies...coudl be facist and commies though ;)

You can brainwash people and not be Communist. I mean, the Emperor took advantage of the traditional beliefs of the Japanese and just turned time back a few hundred years.

im just saying...the government controlled everything frm the grocery stores to the bars....to me thats a commie but course thats just me..

Japan Communist? are you serius? or were you kidding? if you were serius, I'll be out of this thread, because you show a total lack of knowledge about history, and its kinda useless to talk with somebody who doesn't know the facts and its only trying to argue.

BTW, the only reason of why that ***** Bush attacked Iraq its because the oil.

i wasn't saying they were communists i was saying they were commies you know scum suckers....the reason bush senior attacked iraq ya was becasue of oil iraq was trying to take over kuwait for their money/oil ill give you that...

That's a shocking piece of news, but I am not surprised. The worst crap happens in the bible belt. I wish I did not live here :(

where do you live time?

Orlando, FL

orlando is the bible belt!?!?!?!?!? since when..ive never been there though.

All of Florida is. Where do you think this happened? In Citrus county.

ahh oranges...lots of hot chicks there im sure ;-)....i dont get out much ok!? lol

Yeah, I noticed you were asking yesterday where Cyprus is :)
About Florida oranges, they suck as fruit. The good ones are turned into orange juice though and the grape fruits are awesome. Now about the hot chicks, I'll pretend I did not read this as I am married and not supposed to look around :D

OK, made sure my wife is not looking :D MAN DID YOU SEE THE GRAPEFRUITS ON THAT GIRL?

LOL

rofl...dude...the other day i got my face about slapped off...i was with her and my best friend and he's like "oh hot chick" i didn't even say anything i just turned and glanced and bam out of no where...chh who needs girls..oh wait nvm