Ok, I've held my tongue for as long as I can.

I know that people get sick and tired of unlimited, but are you aware that un-metered is a way of trying to get around that. Un-metered is the same thing as unlimited. They are saying they don't monitor how much you use and this is simply not true. There is just NO WAY someone can offer unlimited or un-metered. I'm sure Yahoo or Microsoft would be interested in such a deal.......if it existed.

If it's un-metered then I should be able to do whatever the NIC is rated at, say 100 mbps. Even cheapy Cogent starts at $3000 per 100 mbps...so as you can see there is just no way that someone can offer UN anything for $100.

Also, some companies say un-metered but then when you read thier website it says you get 30 GB of un-metered bandwidth. What is this? They give you a limit...but don't measure it. This seems like an oxymoron to me.

I agree with you on the unlimited since there is a limit on everything, bandwidth wise. However, I take it unmetered just means your traffic is not being throttled or restricted, thus allowing you to use as much bandwidth as the server or switch can handle. Example: Lets just say you have hosting plans that allows 30 gigs of unmetered bandwidth. The customer pays for 30 gigs up front but has the ability to use 40 gigs, 100 gigs or whatever the case may be. Maybe a better word to use is unrestricted versus unmetered. :)

~ I see a dead horse. I see people beating it. ~

I must be at WHT and seeing the same old complaints. If you don't like it. Don't buy it. How hard is that?

Unlimited implies truly unlimited, while un-metered umplies that you receive a capped Mbps connection, and they do not charge by the GB. Simple enoguh.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
How hard is that?

Very hard. Or so it seems...:rolleyes:

Lol, beating a dead horse. Reminds me of me myself, and irene, when he ran into the cow.

LOL

BTW, Unmetered is a connection. Unlimited is an ammount.

"Also, some companies say un-metered but then when you read thier website it says you get 30 GB of un-metered bandwidth."

Personally, I've never seen such a thing. Companies such as FDCservers can provide un-metered service due to something called OVERSELLING. Something that many, many people do. Obvoiusly not everybody is going to be using all 100mbits of their Cogent connection at once, thus they can sell 200mbits of service for example. There really is nothing wrong with selling unmetered service IMO as they are usually capped so you AREN'T able to max out the NIC.

some old crap every week on WHT

Well, the issue is valid, though asked and discussed before. Unmetered does exist in web hosting and the best true example I can think of off the top of my head was an unmetered plan at Tera-Byte (they no longer offer the plan). I think FDC (?) servers also tried to offer this as well.

Anyhow, I only know about the Tera plan, so here goes...

From memory, it was a colocation plan which was unmetered. 16 servers all on 10Mbps, thus they all shared it, for better or worse. I was told it was for worse (which is most likely why they don't offer it), as out of the 16 servers, a couple hogged up the connection, and the majority were left sputtering.

Now, it seems plausible that this same theory could be applied to shared hosting. The only difference being that the unmeteredness would be dropped one level further down to the individual accounts on those servers (tera did 16 on this deal, however another host might have more or less, but the theory is the same).

It didn't work for 16 servers, I see complaints about companies who offer something similar, and it doesn't work for individual accounts, unless you restrict the heck out of the plan making it unusable for most high traffic sites (most likely the purpose if someone needs large amounts of bandwidth).

Can unmetered work for dedicated hosting? Yes, if you aren't sharing the connection with others (pay for 10Mbps, get full10Mbps). Can it work for shared hosting? If your host is willing to eat the costs of providing it, sure, but I can't think of any hosts I talk to who are willing to oversell that much. Plans have limits, and trust me, hosts meter your usage, even if they claim they don't.

Bottom line is that if your site uses more than its share of resources, be it cpu, ram, or bandwidth, you are going to have to pay for that use. There's no magic plan that ignores these fundamental restrictions (and thus costs), and anyone who tells you differently is simply jerkin' your gherkin.

Ahh...the good 'ol fundamental chicken jerkin' your gherking.

I either put the 'fun' in fundamental, or the 'mental' in...

Bahhh what does it matter? Focus on the cucumber.

I either put the 'fun' in fundamental, or the 'mental' in...

Bahhh what does it matter? Focus on the cucumber.

Playing with words:smash:

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
~ I see a dead horse. I see people beating it. ~

I must be at WHT and seeing the same old complaints. If you don't like it. Don't buy it. How hard is that?

Originally from Crime and Punishment, I think.

James

That Chicken is a pretty smooth feller.

Originally posted by Chicken
I either put the 'fun' in fundamental, or the 'mental' in...

Bahhh what does it matter? Focus on the cucumber.


*focus's on chickens cucumber* :eek: :laugh: Chicken, what exactly was that supposed to mean...... :D

...Does it matter? He's Chicken. If he wants to shove a cucumber down a throat, you will let him, because he is almighty.

Originally posted by dreamHOBO
...Does it matter? He's Chicken. If he wants to shove a cucumber down a throat, you will let him, because he is almighty.

Actually, thats not what i was making reference to. :eek:

>Companies such as FDCservers can provide un-metered service >due to something called OVERSELLING. Something that many, >many people do...

Everybody does this I think, even Ma Bell - think about it - they only have so many circuits for the nation, and just bet on the fact that everybody won't pick up their phone at once - and when people do, like on Christmas, etc, then you get a fast busy - not enought circuits available - a classic case of overselling.

But I think that this is a fair practice as long as you properly balance and analyze your traffic patterns regularily, and of course have enough cash in the bank to add more circuits as necessary so you don't have customers gettting mad at you when they only can push 1/10th of the data you promised them.

I am getting ready to colocate towards November, and I have been eagerly reading WHT for the past 6 months or so, as I am relatively new at all this (just doing managed hosting for my sites for the past 3 years) ... but always learning... I think I like FDC's offers since they seem pretty frank about things - you can push as much as you can - but if you want them to allocate a block of Cogent bandwidth for you, you pay for it. I'm just hoping, that if I configure my server properly before shipping it down (running custom file server software, 800 GB on board - so using the kick-off auto-crash detection product from http:www.sophisticated.com - which has served me well in my 6 months of testing it on a test server running from home - now I'm almost ready to put it to use on my co-loc'd server - anybody else have experience with sophisticated's products?

anyway, getting off topic. I'll leave it at that for now - I think I'm gonna try FDC and see how it goes - I have redundancy on my rented/managed servers just in case.

-ICMP

Even our sewage systems are "oversold".

Imagine if everyone in the city from which you reside decided to flush their toilets at the same time. What a mess.

An unmetered capped/uncapped dedicated line is the only way to ensure you are getting the maximum amount of bandwidth available for your buck without having to worry about overages or overselling.