We all know about George Bush, and how well he handles things for the most part. But lets take EVERYTHING into consideration.

-- His stubborn threats to Iraq
-- Handling of 9/11
-- Handling of China Detaining our people
-- Corporate Fraud
-- Handling of Miners Crisis
-- Handling of Stock Market

And those are just the major issues.

Vote, and post your decision-making thoughts, if it wasnt one of these major events.

I appreciate your opinion.

No below 1?

I say bring back Bill, he maybe couldn't keep it in his trousers, but at least he understood diplomacy.

Originally posted by edude
No below 1?

Below 1?!? Thats ridiculous. The guy cannot even tie his own necktie. I did not vote because the poll did not have an option for below -100%.

When times are too good, we all find reason to complain. So were times when billy was around, people complained even when he sneezed. Now JB has hit town and we are barely struggling to keep our heads above water, let alone bother about how well he is doing.:bawling:

Originally posted by KDAWebServices
I say bring back Bill, he maybe couldn't keep it in his trousers, but at least he understood diplomacy.

SPOT ON!!!! George's father was after one thing and so is his son, who also thinks hes a smart ass......

doesn't llok like he is very popular from the poll. shame really, if he wasn't such a short sighted, ignorant idiot then i'm sure he'd be a nice guy. or something. :rolleyes:

Well, I'm not really satisfied with George Dub-Ya. However with the things that have happened, I think he's done a pretty good job. I mean, look, the economy pretty died, that wasn't his fault. September 11th, you can't blame him for that. Not to mention he's a southern boy, so you pretty much have to expect him to come out with the big guns.

I think Bush is an idiot. His handlers did a good job punishing Al Quaeda and have smoothed his problems with English, but it is time to lay low for a bit and correct the many problems we are having at home.

:eek:

I voted 40-49, but only because of how good of a figurehead he is. It would have been higher, but since he appointed John Ashcroft as the Attorney General we've had more and more of our rights taken away from us in the interest of terrorism prevention.

Yes, 3,000 people died. Yes, it was a tragedy. No, the War on Terrorism is not a "total war" like World War II was and therefore is no justification for the removal of our most sacred rights. (if I was able to vote in 2000 I would have voted for a third party, or failing that, Gore)

hmm, lots of mixed feelings. this si good. a very mixed poll. keep the ideas coming

Hmm. I wonder if all the people who voted "Below 20" are foreign visitors of WHT. Does any hatred of America have to do with their votes?

Nothing to do with hatred of America at all, just to do with Bush himself and his major ego problem, same goes for Tony Blair, they should both get off the ego merry-go-round before something their reputations (and the rest of us) will re-gret happening - Let's face it, if Saddam decided to attack us, it wouldn't be Bush and Blair that suffered would it? Noooo, it'd be us, the poor little people who seem to have no say.

Die hard republican... But, I'm just not happy with GW... Let's face it, the world looks exactly like it did when his dad was president.

GW 1 - Lost job at Digital Equipment Corp.
GW 1 - Iraq Mess

GW 2 - I Loose job at Compaq working for Pathworks group (Old DEC software group).
GW 2- Iraq Mess.

Go figure. :angry:

Now, I deal with wonderfully happy customers, and don't have to worry about a George screwing things up for me.

Of course, my significant other works at HP/Compaq/DEC... Better not mess with HER! ;)

Steve

Originally posted by Santoman
Die hard republican... But, I'm just not happy with GW... Let's face it, the world looks exactly like it did when his dad was president.

GW 1 - Lost job at Digital Equipment Corp.
GW 1 - Iraq Mess

GW 2 - I Loose job at Compaq working for Pathworks group (Old DEC software group).
GW 2- Iraq Mess.

Go figure. :angry:


You can look forward to the 10 years of economic growth after we bomb the hell out of Iraq. ;) Well, if they used a nuke or two then we'll all be screwed. :(

Originally posted by mind21_98
Hmm. I wonder if all the people who voted "Below 20" are foreign visitors of WHT. Does any hatred of America have to do with their votes?

You have a strange perception of the world. Americans are like children. How can you hate them? :D

I do suspect you are right though on the foreigners voting low on Bush. During the election there were polls in most countries around the world. Who would you vote for, Bush or Gore?

Around 90-95% of the world population voted for Gore. In my country he got 98% of the votes.

I still truly, honostly cannot understand why someone in their right mind would vote for Bush. How can an 50.0001% of a nation fote for the dumbest idiot on earth? What did the world do to deserve this ??

Originally posted by Pilgrim
I still truly, honostly cannot understand why someone in their right mind would vote for Bush. How can an 50.0001% of a nation fote for the dumbest idiot on earth? What did the world do to deserve this ??

What makes it worse is he has no Congressional experience whatsoever. :(

Originally posted by Pilgrim


You have a strange perception of the world. Americans are like children. How can you hate them? :D

I do suspect you are right though on the foreigners voting low on Bush. During the election there were polls in most countries around the world. Who would you vote for, Bush or Gore?

Around 90-95% of the world population voted for Gore. In my country he got 98% of the votes.

I still truly, honostly cannot understand why someone in their right mind would vote for Bush. How can an 50.0001% of a nation fote for the dumbest idiot on earth? What did the world do to deserve this ??

If I'm not wrong, I remember that some dead people voted to Bush in Florida :rolleyes:

For what it worth my opinion, he's a *****, ignorant, arrogant and I hope to see that idiot in jail.

Originally posted by Pilgrim
I still truly, honostly cannot understand why someone in their right mind would vote for Bush. How can an 50.0001% of a nation fote for the dumbest idiot on earth? Actually, they didn't. More Americans voted for Bush's opponent, Al Gore, than voted for Bush -- and right around 48% for each.

Go Jean christien!

lol

Originally posted by JayC
Actually, they didn't. More Americans voted for Bush's opponent, Al Gore, than voted for Bush -- and right around 48% for each.

Is this a failing of the Electoral College? If we elected the President directly, would Democrats always win?

Originally posted by mind21_98
Hmm. I wonder if all the people who voted "Below 20" are foreign visitors of WHT. Does any hatred of America have to do with their votes?

I moved to America at 17 and proud to call myself an American, because like you (hopefully), America is still and will always be the greatest country in the world. That does not mean I love my homeland any less. But to wonder whether foreign voters are voting because of a hatred of America may be bordering on ignorance. You have to understand that a vast majority of foreigners both inside and outside the U.S do not hate us because we are Americans but hate certain (and I stress "certain") aspects of - not only this government's but many previous US administrations - treatment of people living in foreign countries. It is our responsibility as Americans to try to understand our government's policies towards the world and maybe we will begin to understand why all the anti-America sentiments. That will help give America a much more positive image abroad.

Originally posted by mind21_98
If we elected the President directly, would Democrats always win? Always, no. Would they have in 2000? Yes.

But the Electoral College will be around for a long time, because it's doing exactly what it was meant to do: solidify the stability of the two-party system.

Originally posted by JayC
Always, no. Would they have in 2000? Yes.

But the Electoral College will be around for a long time, because it's doing exactly what it was meant to do: solidify the stability of the two-party system.

Wouldn't a third party still be possible in the Electoral College?

Originally posted by JayC
Always, no. Would they have in 2000? Yes.

But the Electoral College will be around for a long time, because it's doing exactly what it was meant to do: solidify the stability of the two-party system.

Actually, wasn't it put into place, because at the time, if all the amercan's voted, it would take years for everyone's vote to actually get counted???

And let's not forget that the general population wasn't intelligent enough to vote on there own... :(


Steve

GO PATRIOTS!!!!

I think Bush is just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Although considering the other alternative US citizens had I don't blame them.

Bush is the wrong man for this job. He may have his daddy backing him up, but Bush Jr. is no president. The people don't have a leader - what they got was a Texan homeboy. He does have his stuff together but somebody needs to teach him how to be presidential.

This is coming from a Canadian with an even less competant leader at our helm. :D :D

Originally posted by clocker1996
Go Jean christien!

lol

YAhoO!!! Clocker?? You Canadian?? Well obviously not, That would be Jean Chrétien. :D

Originally posted by Santoman
And let's not forget that the general population wasn't intelligent enough to vote on there own... :(

No offense, but you could say that for some people right now. :(

Originally posted by mind21_98


No offense, but you could say that for some people right now. :(

No offense taken, it's true. During the drafting of the constitution, and other REALLY important documents, the drafter's always considered the general public ignorant.

And, basically, they are.

OH, and the PATS are up 10 to 7!!!!!!


Steve in NH...

Originally posted by Santoman
Actually, wasn't it put into place, because at the time, if all the amercan's voted, it would take years for everyone's vote to actually get counted???

And let's not forget that the general population wasn't intelligent enough to vote on there own... I really didn't word that well -- it would have been more accurate to say that the Electoral College will be around for a long time for the same reason it's been around for the past century or so -- the longevity of the two-party system.

But yes, in the beginning the logic behind it was that no "regular guy" in, say, Massachusetts would know anything about a candidate from Pennsylvania. So a group of learned men, the Electoral College, were empowered to vote the will of the people from their home state. The expectation was that these few would take the responsibility to educate themselves about the various candidates.

That original need was beginning to be supplanted by the time of "whistle-stop campaigning," but by then the two-party system was well in place -- and requiring any third party to win a plurality in a state in order to get any votes at all was seen as a good tool for keeping it that way.

Add to that, it distributes unequal power to residents of smaller states... that in itself might seem to doom it, because you'd think that the residents of larger states would oppose it in large enough numbers to offset it -- but remember the structure of the US Senate: if there were a state with 100 people, their Senators would get the same power as would those from a state with a billion. To some extent, if you live in a small state (in terms of number of residents) your vote at the federal level has more weight than does that of the resident of a more populous state.

The people don't have a leader - what they got was a Texan homeboy. He does have his stuff together but somebody needs to teach him how to be presidential.

Exactly! Unfortunately he was really the lesser of two evils. Al Gore was some pansy baby. He most likely would have broken down and would be in a mental hospital if he were president. Instead he got a southern boy, like George dub-ya, who don't take jack from anyone.

JayC - Thanks for clarifying what I was trying to say... I'm just wrapped up in watching the Patriots destroy the Steelers, so I'm in and out of my office... :)


Pat's update: 24-7.


Steve

Originally posted by inogenius


Exactly! Unfortunately he was really the lesser of two evils. Al Gore was some pansy baby. He most likely would have broken down and would be in a mental hospital if he were president. Instead he got a southern boy, like George dub-ya, who don't take jack from anyone.

Guess this goes to show you, that according to one scholar (forget the name) democracy, by the people voting, this actually greatly hinders the chances of proper and more qualified candidates from being elected.

Al Gore should've won, such a fixed ellection i thought your country was democratic?

Originally posted by edude
Al Gore should've won, such a fixed ellection i thought your country was democratic?

HAHAHA, Have you taken a look a Gore?? Would you want him as your fearless leader?

Although funny how the balloting came down to Florida and who might the Florida Gov be but Jeb Bush. hmmmm.... I have no comment.;)

Originally posted by edude
Al Gore should've won, such a fixed ellection i thought your country was democratic?

Vice President Liberman would have banned all video games because they "make kids shoot up schools". :stickout

I think we'd be better off with Tony Blair as president..

George Bush Jr. has not been able to handle the situation. George Bush Sr. was the correct person to handle the tough situations.

I want Bill back, he was the only president, that I can say I was entirely pleased with. The economy and the country in general, strived more than ever with Bill in the house. He seemed like a regular guy, yea he cheated on his wife and lied. But hey thats part of life, and it happens everywhere.

Bush on the other hand, is an idiot. The guy talks like an uneducated wack job, he can't pronounce half the words he says, and makes hardly any sense. The word "Evil Doers" coming from the man who represents this company, is rather unappealing. The only reason he got his foot in the door, is because of his daddy. I am not pleased with the way he handles many of the situations of our country, he has horrible communication with other countries, other than britan(gore + blair = butt buddies). Even though the inventor of the internet(gore), was talking out his you know what, I still think he would have made a more valid president.

Originally posted by KDAWebServices
I say bring back Bill, he maybe couldn't keep it in his trousers, but at least he understood diplomacy.

Yes, and I'm sure explaining to Hillary the stain on the blue dress was his crowning diplomatic achievement. :eek:

Originally posted by vigor
Even though the inventor of the internet(gore), Just in the interest of trying to maintain some accuracy in the historical record, in spite of the popularity of the claim that Gore said that he "invented" the Internet... he didn't say that; he never used the word "invented." He said this, for what it's worth, while being interviewed on CNN by Wolf Blitzer: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system."

So is it accurate for him to claim to have "taken the initiative?" I don't know; it's a pretty vague term. It doesn't even really say that he was the biggest factor, or an important factor at all -- but it's not accurate to say that he claimed, as is variously reported, to have "invented the Internet," or to have been "the father of the Internet."

This is what Microsoft's "Bookshelf" cd-rom encyclopedia says on the matter: "In 1991, Vice President Al Gore, then a U.S. senator, proposed widening the architecture of NSFNET to include more K-12 schools, community colleges, and 2-year colleges. The resulting legislation expanded NSFNET and renamed it NREN (National Research and Educational Network). This bill also allowed businesses to purchase part of the network for commercial uses. The mass commercialization of today's Internet is the direct result of this legislation."

So, according to Microsoft, at least, Gore had a pretty major role in making the Internet what it is today (for better or worse). Seems like in making those proposals he must have taken some kind of "initiative."

Ya Bush hasn't been the brightest crayon in the box eh?

I think he really needs to work on his "strategery" before he condemns the "evil doers" of the world. And the Pakistani racial slur he gave on national television, I couldn't believe that...

Someone is gonna get rich off of selling "The Book of 1001 Bushisms" As Dana Carvey put it, Bush likes to celebrate "Big Words" when he uses them at the end of a sentence. Anyone watch the Jay Leno interview with Dana? Pretty Damn funny as always.

Originally posted by inogenius
Exactly! Unfortunately he was really the lesser of two evils. Al Gore was some pansy baby. He most likely would have broken down and would be in a mental hospital if he were president. Instead he got a southern boy, like George dub-ya, who don't take jack from anyone.

The lesser of two evils was Bush?! Give me a break. You actually assume that the course of history since the election would have followed the same path if Gore (or Nader, or Buchanan) were elected? That's an impossible viewpoint and an impossible belief.

I don't know if you missed it, but, Gore was vice president for a good 8 years before this election, before that senator, and before that a member of the house of representatives, I believe Gore had to go through much harder times in his life than bush ever had being carried through life by daddy and getting millions in illegal dealings that were only possible because he is a Bush (rich texas oil family with ties to enron, the bin laden family, and more money invested in saudi arabia than many of us will ever see in our lifetime, you might have heard of them).

THE LAST thing we need right now is a good ole' southern boy heading the most powerful nation in the world. I don't know if you've looked around lately, but, good ole' southern boys aren't really anything to be proud of and they're quickly becoming the minority in the US. So i highly doubt they're an obvious choice to lead the nation.

http://www.bushwatch.net/ (don't worry, there's a gore watch and a nader watch there also)