Gem Hexen
09-09-2002, 01:56 AM
How will you [hosting companies] respond to Sept 11? Pick the poll choice that is most applicable and then feel free to add your thoughts.
![]() | View Full Version : How will you [hosting companies] respond to Sept 11? Gem Hexen 09-09-2002, 01:56 AM How will you [hosting companies] respond to Sept 11? Pick the poll choice that is most applicable and then feel free to add your thoughts. kkimmel 09-09-2002, 02:13 AM Why would it be anything but business as usual? Are we going to have work stopages every year on September 11th? Excuse me for being insensitive, but life goes on. The world didnt stop spinning the last I checked. Yes, it was tragic and awful. But come on. I would like all the hosts who plan to close the support department on Sept 11th to make themselves known ahead of time so that I can get my accounts to another host now. I need the servers to stay online regardless what day of the year it is. Gem Hexen 09-09-2002, 02:16 AM Ok first of all, why are you directing your complaints at me? I was curious to see if anyone would NOT continue business as normal. I also do not believe I ever said anything about servers going offline. The poll wants to know if (1) signups will be available and if they will be processed and (2) if support will be offered. MilkMan 09-09-2002, 02:17 AM Well, what are hosting companies going to be doing on December 7th? edude 09-09-2002, 02:18 AM Well, what are hosting companies going to be doing on September 3rd? Haze 09-09-2002, 02:23 AM Normal business day for us. It was a tragic day, but I don't see how that should affect anything? tribby 09-09-2002, 02:26 AM Sept. 11th was tragic, but there's no reason to let terrorists run your life or your business. netacore 09-09-2002, 02:29 AM It all depends on locality, kkimmel. I think most businesses in the ground zero vicinity will take a day off for remembering and reflection on September 11. Originally posted by kkimmel Why would it be anything but business as usual? Are we going to have work stopages every year on September 11th? Excuse me for being insensitive, but life goes on. The world didnt stop spinning the last I checked. Yes, it was tragic and awful. But come on. I would like all the hosts who plan to close the support department on Sept 11th to make themselves known ahead of time so that I can get my accounts to another host now. I need the servers to stay online regardless what day of the year it is. Aussie Bob 09-09-2002, 02:29 AM Life goes on. It's business as usual. We honour the memory of those lost by living our lives to the fullest. I'll post something into our forum remembering 9/11. Gem Hexen 09-09-2002, 02:32 AM Originally posted by Aussie Bob Life goes on. It's business as usual. We honour the memory of those lost by living our lives to the fullest. I'll post something into our forum remembering 9/11. That's a nice idea. JamRover 09-09-2002, 02:34 AM Well since we don't have forums yet, I will do what Aussie Bob suggested and post something in honor of 9/11 on the site. SoftWareRevue 09-09-2002, 02:44 AM Originally posted by IT Hosting Ok first of all, why are you directing your complaints at me?. . . . . . . . I believe you were the one that askedHow will you [hosting companies] respond to Sept 11? Pick the poll choice that is most applicable and then feel free to add your thoughts And, yes. Business as usual. It doesn't seem like it's been a whole year. It's still a sad saga, but it would be even sadder if we let terror win. MilkMan 09-09-2002, 02:52 AM Hey what about April 19th?? Did anyone do anything special then? chrisb 09-09-2002, 03:43 AM I'm an American and I am tired of hearing about it. I think I'll sleep that day to avoid all the memorials around town and TV coverage. Yes, it was sad and so is every other death in the world. Time to move on. (SH)Saeed 09-09-2002, 03:45 AM It's a normal business day for us as well. It's very sad that innocent people have and unfortunately will become victims of war and terrorists in US as well as the rest of the world. To us, everyone are humans regardless of their skincolor, nationallity or address. It doesn't make it worse just because it was Americans that were the victims this time, it has always been and always will be horrible how humans can destroy eachother (and I don't mean just war and terrorist attacks). :mad: Andyc 09-09-2002, 04:38 AM It is business as usual for us as well. Though I will be attending a Church service the evening of 9/11 to remember those that lost their lives. Andrew kkimmel 09-09-2002, 04:47 AM Maybe the spammers will take a day off. That would be great. But something tells me that my Cognigen mail account will fill to the brim with this offer and that to buy some patriotic shirt, book, calander or something. shaunewing 09-09-2002, 04:52 AM Well, it will be business as usual here (in Australia). To do anything different than our ordinary daily routines would be exactly what the terrorists wanted and I won't be giving into it. It was a tragic day and I lost friends in the attacks like many people who also lost friends/family, but life must go on. --Shaun. Servstra-Sales 09-09-2002, 04:59 AM It will be business as usual for us too, however, I know I personally on the day will take a moment to reflect on the tragic events that occurred 12 months ago. akashik 09-09-2002, 05:37 AM web hosting is a 24/7/365 business so it'll be business as usual. Even when the trade center did come down the IT guys were still hard at work. I remember a story of a few server admins that were actually running into that mess as they had servers running near ground zero. As they couldn't ring into their office they had to get in there to see if things were still running and take emergency action is anything was wrong. I was working with clients who live and work in Manhattan, and most were working hard to just get their minds off what had just happened a few hours before. It's tragic and it should never have happened, but people rely on us to keep their businesses running, so it'll be full steam ahead. Greg Moore markcw 09-09-2002, 08:34 AM I work at a 30,000 plus employee company. At noon eastern, we are asked for 5 minutes of silence. No emails, no phones, no nothing. I think it would be respectful to do the same to just be thankful you did not have to endure the pain and suffering. sbhmike 09-09-2002, 08:44 AM well i`m in uk no sales will be taken on sept 11th our website will not be available ,only to existing customers for support. i respect everyone who says business as usual but for me it would not feel right.this is my personal feeling whether right or wrong caligurl 09-09-2002, 08:53 AM if we don't continue with business as usual.. then the terrorists have won... chundle 09-09-2002, 09:02 AM how about we take a day off on december 2nd (the day in 1984 that union carbide killed 4,000 people in bhopal, india, with at least 10,000 in the years following); or how about every day of the year, in memory of the thousands who die every day of poverty due to neglect and negligence by the rest of the world; how about remembering that september 11th was originally a day of mourning because it was the day in 1973 that the CIA helped destroy democracy in chile, leading to thousands of deaths in subsequent years. etc. etc. etc. chundle 09-09-2002, 09:03 AM p.s. sorry to get all political but this sort of thing really pisses me off. faculty 09-09-2002, 09:09 AM Having the day of is only what osama wants - to know they have stopped the USA/world twice in 2 years would be heaven on earth for them! okihost 09-09-2002, 09:17 AM Business as normal here.. I will put up a rememberance(sp?) banner on the site and stop by the church later in the evening and light a candle for all those who died and all those who lost friends/family on Sept 11th. Lurleene 09-09-2002, 10:13 AM chundle, you're right. A thousand people get killed in an earthquake in Bangladesh, and I have to squint to see the two-sentence story on page 59 of the New York Times. MilkMan 09-09-2002, 10:39 AM What about these? Don't forget about the other days that we need to shut down for. January 28, (1986) The Challenger Accident February 13, (2001) San Salvador, El Salvador 6.1 Earthquake March 24, (1989) Exxon Valdez March 28, (1979) 3 Mile Island April 18, (1906) The San Francisco Earthquake April 19, (1995) The Oklahoma City Bombing April 14, (1912) The Titanic May 6th (1937) The Hindenburg Disaster June 5 (1967) Start of the 6th Day War July 25, (1956) The Andrea Doria sinking. August 6, (1945) Hiroshima Bombed August 16 - 28 (1992) Hurricane Andrew October 8, 9, and 10, (1871) The Great Chicago Fire October 23-29, (1929) Stock Market Crash November 22, (1963) Kennedy Assaination December 7, (1941) Pearl Harbour) December 21, (1988) Pan Am Flight 103 Lockerbie bombing It's a dangerous world out there! phantasywork 09-09-2002, 10:41 AM Originally posted by caligurl if we don't continue with business as usual.. then the terrorists have won... Well said and AMEN cedwards 09-09-2002, 11:17 AM I dont believe in anyone that will offer special deals on that day though....thats cashing in on the tragic events. Ive seen places that are like in memory of those that died on the 11th everythign will be half off or something. Thats cashing in i believe on peoples feelings. I can say though i will stay fully opened and in the forums maybe post something. I do agree if we are going to pause for a day then we need to pause for everything that has happened...meaning hosting will go down to having 40+ days a year that they are closed. kkimmel 09-09-2002, 03:21 PM Well, some of you have said you are closing the doors on the 11th. Who are you? Post the names of your companies and/or websites. I want to know who you are so I can move my domains now, if I have any there, and I will advise my associates to do the same. Because if there is a problem with an account, I need to be able to get ahold of you regardless of what day of the year it is. The idea that anyone would even consider closing thier support/sales departments in memory of ANYTHING is insane. It reminds me of the post office, always looking for an excuse to have a day off. Its memorial day, its labor day, its presidents day... its sunday and on and on and on. And it looks like now they are working on having saturday off too. If we all worked like the post office, it would take seven to ten business days to get anything done... just like it takes to mail a letter. MilkMan 09-09-2002, 03:35 PM Originally posted by kkimmel If we all worked like the post office, it would take seven to ten business days to get anything done... just like it takes to mail a letter. Watch out how you treat the Post Office employees, you don't want your mail disappearing or have them go, well Postal! Acronym BOY 09-09-2002, 04:10 PM Originally posted by netacore It all depends on locality, kkimmel. I think most businesses in the ground zero vicinity will take a day off for remembering and reflection on September 11. Do you live in NY? If not, dont make assumptions. Read this thread: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71433&pagenumber=2 From the BBC: It is the hottest ticket in town - a free pass to view the ruins of the World Trade Center in lower Manhattan. Almost 5,000 people come each day to a specially built viewing platform at the edge of Ground Zero to catch a glimpse of the ruins of the twin towers. But relatives of the dead and missing say they are deeply offended by the platform. It is not a tourist attraction - this is a tragedy and a lot of people don't treat it that way. They think it encourages a ghoulish form of tourism at a site many of them still regard as an open grave. "It is supposed to be a sacred place now," says one woman who lost her daughter in the 11 September attacks. "My child's body is all over that place." Many local residents too are unhappy about the thousands of visitors who they say disrupt their lives just as they are trying to rebuild their community. "We are treated like a freak show," says Janice Cahalane who has lived in the shadow of the World Trade Center for 10 years. "We had people come to our apartment and ask us to view the damage in our apartment," she told the BBC. "It is disgusting. It is not a tourist attraction - this is a tragedy and a lot of people don't treat it that way." Since opening in December, the five-metre high platform has been praised by thousands of visitors. Many of them say they are deeply moved after seeing the devastation caused by last year's attacks. Others go there to have their picture taken. Last week the authorities started issuing free tickets to ease the congestion at the platform where people used to queue for hours. More platforms planned... Every ticket, which allows visitors 30 minutes on the platform, gets taken up every day, and there are plans to build three additional viewing platforms. But the negative reaction among some of the victims' families and local residents shows how difficult it remains for New York officials to balance the conflicting demands and emotions at the site. An additional problem are the souvenir stalls near the viewing platform. There have been reports about hawkers at Ground Zero pushing costly souvenir miniatures of the World Trade Center and falsely claiming that the proceeds of the sale would help victims of the attacks. The BBC's Jane Standley in New York says profiting from people's grief was not what city officials had in mind when they opened the platform. They hoped struggling businesses around the site would get a boost. But so far the visitors have only helped the souvenir sellers. And the question remains whether the platform is the right way to remember the victims. Try also here: These days, ground zero smells like a fairground. The acrid chemical stench that poisoned downtown Manhattan for months has dissipated, and in its place are the summertime scents of hot dogs, cotton candy, roasting nuts and shish kabob, all competing to tempt the hordes of visitors to New York's newest blockbuster tourist attraction. According to the New York Times, 3.6 million people will visit ground zero this year. There's no longer much to look at -- the expanse where the twin towers once stood is now just a vast construction site -- but people keep coming, disgorged by tour buses that idle nearby. There are giddy high school students in foam Statue of Liberty hats, dour families squinting under visors that read "Ground Zero NYC," religious groups including, on a recent visit, a few dozen Jews for Jesus in matching fluorescent orange T-shirts, middle-aged men staring intently into their camcorders and young guys strutting topless in the summer sun. Last Saturday one woman leaned into her husband and seemed, for a moment or two, to tear up, but mostly people seemed to be enjoying themselves in the perfunctory, listless way of tourists everywhere. Some people, perhaps many, visit ground zero to pay their respects, to commune with history through the sight of charred real estate, to get a sense of the enormity of what happened. Yet the atmosphere at ground zero is nearly devoid of somber reverence. It feels like just another sentimental landmark, a place for people to get their picture taken so they can tell the folks back home they were there. Amid the brightly dressed crowds, one senses that for those who didn't lose anyone, some inevitable American alchemy has transformed the attacks into entertainment. Or how about this: Downtown Manhattan, for a short period of time a ghost town, has become as crowded as ever. As I struggle to push my way through the masses, I realize that the site of the Sept. 11 attacks has tragically become a place where people from all over the country come to gawk. This is not only disrespectful to the families of the victims, but is also a hindrance to all those attempting to return to their daily lives. Last December, an observation deck was opened up near Ground Zero. Each day, 5,500 tickets are handed out to all those who wish to come. As a result, the site has become a commercial attraction, as is obvious from the street vendors selling vulgar World Trade Center memorabilia for profit. What¹s even worse is that people buy into this shameless commercialism, and in doing so, change the environment from a memorial to a mall. While those who visit the area offer the excuse of closure, what really draws crowds is morbid curiosity. It is not closure that the hordes of visitors seek, but rather a desire to view the grotesque devastation. This is inappropriate and tasteless, just as taking pictures at a wake would be. Instead of burdening the people of Lower Manhattan and the men and women who work day and night to restore the city, people should show restraint in visiting the site. Show your support, but through other means. Instead of taking pictures, hand out ribbons to honor those who lost their lives. For closure, attend a vigil or service in their memory. Do not come and turn this into a tourist attraction. People just dont seem to get it any more. Orginally posted by lightin: As a born and bred New York City resident, I can offer this: We generally find tourists a nuisance. However, tourists who come to gawk and snap photos of where friends of mine (no family, thank God) were killed are a lot more than the normal 'in the way' tourists. Then they buy those tshirts from some scumbag who is actually low enough to use this situation to turn a fast tax-free dollar. The whole thing is sickening. 9/11 happened. Nothing we can do to change it. I will do my best to keep 9/11/02 the same as any other day. It'll just be a lot harder to force myself to forget what I've been trying to forget for the last year of my life. the-muse 09-09-2002, 05:19 PM ...we are adding 100 extra servers just for that one day to launch DDOS attacks at: osamaisagoodguy.com downwiththegreatsatan.net ifanyonecanthetalibancan.org ...of course, we'll be watching our brigdes and utility companies with the secret federal homeland defense militia in which we enjoy discounted membership... ...we're taking out a full page ad in Time and Newsweek asking that all smaller airfields forbid any light planes from taking off that day... the ad will also include a paragraph or two asking our Senators and Congressmen to begin conducting business by teleconferencing from their own home state offices, so that when, not if, but when a nuclear device fries Washington, DC, they won't be all caught in one spot... you too, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, etc. ... go home... don't be a fool... why make DC more of a target than it already is? ...ooops... getting carried away... ...other than that, business as usual... I go along with chrisb:I'm an American and I am tired of hearing about it. I think I'll sleep that day to avoid all the memorials around town and TV coverage. Yes, it was sad and so is every other death in the world. Time to move on. chrisb 09-09-2002, 05:22 PM lol@muse Sept. 11th? I'm "supposed" to have sex that day. :) netacore 09-09-2002, 05:33 PM Originally posted by Acronym BOY Do you live in NY? If not, dont make assumptions. Yes Acronym BOY, I do live in New York City. Yes Acronym BOY, I was less than a mile away when the towers fell What assumption did I make, was it when I said ".. I think businesses that are near WTC will close for observance ..." Was it that? Did I offend you? Originally posted by Acronym BOY Read this thread: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71433&pagenumber=2 I read your thread. What was the significance? XN CEO 09-09-2002, 05:38 PM I WILL NOT continue business as normal, reason being is that i lost my girlfriend of 5 years as well as my uncle. My support staff has also been deeply touched by the events. Its this year only. We are all getting a plane to NewYork to just remember. After that, as someone said life will go on. Acronym BOY 09-09-2002, 05:41 PM Originally posted by netacore Yes Acronym BOY, I do live in New York City. Yes Acronym BOY, I was less than a mile away when the towers fell What assumption did I make, was it when I said ".. I think businesses that are near WTC will close for observance ..." Was it that? Did I offend you? I read your thread. What was the significance? People need to get on wit their lives. The grieveing process shouldnt take a year. The reason I said read this thread was becuase the question has been asked already. Unless you like repeat threads over and over again with the same questions. Im glad I am taking a break from the FDNY. I dont think its worth risking my ass on a day to day basis any more. I might move out to the East End and call it quits. MilkMan 09-09-2002, 05:43 PM I still ask about all the other disaster marked days. Are you guys going to shut down and mourn those too? Acronym BOY 09-09-2002, 05:46 PM Originally posted by MilkMan I still ask about all the other disaster marked days. Are you guys going to shut down and mourn those too? Nope. "Patriots, loving America since 9/11/01" Choppy 09-09-2002, 06:01 PM Switching of All servers for 1 minute silence. It is sad what happened to many people on that day and im sure many were touched. But it happens all around the world and its happening as we speak many families are broken up and destroyed due to war. The United States got a taste of this first hand on Sep 11 and now should be able to identify and understand how others feel when such things happen. Sep 11 will be a day for many tears for some - and i am expecting that President Bush is going to announce they will begin bombing Iraq - All the revengful people would be satisfied im sure with this WAR on TERRORISM. One thing to remember is the more families you break up being in America, Iraq, Afgani and other middle eastern or asian race. They will all want revenge at some stage. If not today or next week maybe in another 20 years when our own children have there own families. On Sep 11 lets all have a silent pray for the people who past away in WARS everywhere and hope we can stop war all together. P.S The platform that they constructed are they charging for the tickets? Is it going to a WORLD TRADE CENTRE relief fund or something. If not that is sad also. Peace be with you all. Kind regards Phillip Andrew 09-09-2002, 06:03 PM I don't think 9/11 is a reason to close anything. If you want to run a business that closes for any reason, you've chosen the wrong one. What if a server crashes? Servers don't give a damn what happened on 9/11 and they don't give a damn about Christmas, Channukkah or Kwanza either. How can any company justify the downtime that could potentially be caused by leaving the business unattended for a day? Being a service provider is a 24/7/365 business. We all knew that going in. It shouldn't change because of September 11th or any other day. My own personal choice for the 11th is to make it as close to a normal day as I possibly can. Others may choose to deal with it differently, but I can't imagine it being a viable excuse to just close up shop for the day. MilkMan 09-09-2002, 07:01 PM Originally posted by lightnin What if a server crashes? Servers don't give a damn what happened on 9/11 and they don't give a damn about Christmas, Channukkah or Kwanza either. They don't!?!?!?!?! Why I never, $#$%&@$%!!!! shaunewing 09-09-2002, 08:35 PM Originally posted by Choppy Switching of All servers for 1 minute silence. So how do you explain to your customers when they call asking why the servers are down? Servers generally take about a minute to halt all services when shutting down and then another few minutes to start back up again to a "stable" level. I certainly wouldn't like the phone company switching off our phones for a minute, the datacenter pulling the plug on the servers, the ISP disconnecting us from the Internet and so on. Yes it was tragic and I will be taking a few minutes out to reflect and think about those who lost their lives, but I think it's taking it a bit too far to start shutting down servers- not providing support is borderline but in my opinion actually shutting down the servers is ridiculous. --Shaun Gem Hexen 09-09-2002, 08:44 PM Originally posted by shaunewing So how do you explain to your customers when they call asking why the servers are down? Servers generally take about a minute to halt all services when shutting down and then another few minutes to start back up again to a "stable" level. I certainly wouldn't like the phone company switching off our phones for a minute, the datacenter pulling the plug on the servers, the ISP disconnecting us from the Internet and so on. Yes it was tragic and I will be taking a few minutes out to reflect and think about those who lost their lives, but I think it's taking it a bit too far to start shutting down servers- not providing support is borderline but in my opinion actually shutting down the servers is ridiculous. --Shaun Maybe he'll just shut off apache :D tribby 09-09-2002, 08:53 PM Originally posted by IT Hosting Maybe he'll just shut off apache :D Only Apache will participate in the moment of silence? You mean proftpd doesn't care!? :stickout On a serious note -- I personally don't think that shutting off servers for a minute is the way to go -- that shouldn't be your call. If an individual website operator wants to shut down their website for a minute, then they are more than able to do so. But they should have a choice. Just my humble opinion. Big-Mike 09-09-2002, 09:16 PM Life does go on, but "REMEMBERING" has nothing to do with stopping life. I live in NY, knew people there, but it has nothing to do with my opinion. People wherever could share the same view. I'm not taking the day off, but as far as what I'm gonna do. I run a few Hip Hop / Rap websites, besides my regular job. My normal flash intros will be replaced with special ones I made dedicated to the victims and everybody that was affected by what happened. Choppy 09-09-2002, 09:55 PM Originally posted by shaunewing So how do you explain to your customers when they call asking why the servers are down? Servers generally take about a minute to halt all services when shutting down and then another few minutes to start back up again to a "stable" level. I certainly wouldn't like the phone company switching off our phones for a minute, the datacenter pulling the plug on the servers, the ISP disconnecting us from the Internet and so on. Sorry i was not clear. I am switching of the servers in the office not vds,deds, reseller or virutual hosting. Just the admin servers. :D Its just a small time for reflection. Kind regards Phillip Hostkookster 09-09-2002, 09:59 PM Business doesn't stop around the world because of a US tragedy. I say keep business going.:) Rax 09-09-2002, 10:07 PM Originally posted by MilkMan I still ask about all the other disaster marked days. Are you guys going to shut down and mourn those too? "Stars and stripes forever, er I mean for now." At least until the merchandise is gone. :rolleyes: tribby 09-09-2002, 10:14 PM Originally posted by Choppy Sorry i was not clear. I am switching of the servers in the office not vds,deds, reseller or virutual hosting. Just the admin servers. :D Ahh. Thanks for clearing that up ;) Choppy 09-09-2002, 10:53 PM Business doesn't stop around the world because of a US tragedy. We are not based in the United States. We are based in Australia.. Even though Australia is famous for following the US like a puppy on a rope. It doesnt mean we are all the same i was not born in Australia and i came to the country due to my country becoming war torn.... The only reason why we are going to stop for 1 min is to show a mark of respect... We are not going to stand on the roof and say LOOK AT US WE ARE DOING IT OUT OF RESPECT. We are going to do it in the office. . Regards Phillip Hostkookster 09-09-2002, 11:00 PM Hey Choppy, that wasn't directed at you :D My own opinion. :D shaunewing 09-09-2002, 11:05 PM Originally posted by tribby Ahh. Thanks for clearing that up ;) Yeah, switching off your own servers is fine - that's your call; just not the customers servers. As I'll be getting off to sleep on September 11 on the times the towers collapsed I won't be able to observe any silence then - but sometime during the day I'll probably set aside a few minutes to reflect over the events in the past year. --Shaun Hostkookster 09-09-2002, 11:11 PM Ya we're observing a moment of silence at UA. floppy 09-10-2002, 12:22 AM Whenever there is a destruction there is construction. 9-11 was a tragic incident. The business was affected for sometime, but it does not make impact for a long time. kkimmel 09-10-2002, 02:31 AM You want to switch your servers off, thats your call. You want to shut your doors and neglect your company (and lose my business and hopefully others as well) then that is your call as well. But I can tell you that if any of the seven companies I have websites/servers hosted at switch off a server/website that I have there (shared, colocated, dedicated, whatever) I can promise you that you will be sued. First of all, thier not your damn servers to turn off. Second of all, I dont remember a "moment of silence" clause in any of your contracts. Finally, I pay for things to be on 24/7/365, even in the middle of an earthquake. And the "Force Majeure" clauses of your contracts will hardly shield you from liability, as it isnt an act of god. And neither will any disclaimers, because this goes above and beyond negligence, it is outright sabatoage. And whatever company is stupid enough to do this will pay the price. Because when my websites arent online, the credit cards arent being charged and I am not making money. And thats my livlihood your toying with. I cannot even belive that people are considering this idea of turning servers off for a minute, closing support departments and so on because it is so incredibly ludicrious that it is beyond belief. I hope that everyone here is kidding about this. Gem Hexen 09-10-2002, 02:36 AM Originally posted by kkimmel First of all, thier not your damn servers to turn off. Well technically they are if you own/lease them, however I certainly agree that turning off customer servers wouldn't be a wise choice... Hostkookster 09-10-2002, 02:37 AM Originally posted by kkimmel You want to switch your servers off, thats your call. You want to shut your doors and neglect your company (and lose my business and hopefully others as well) then that is your call as well. But I can tell you that if any of the seven companies I have websites/servers hosted at switch off a server/website that I have there (shared, colocated, dedicated, whatever) I can promise you that you will be sued. First of all, thier not your damn servers to turn off. Second of all, I dont remember a "moment of silence" clause in any of your contracts. Finally, I pay for things to be on 24/7/365, even in the middle of an earthquake. And the "Force Majeure" clauses of your contracts will hardly shield you from liability, as it isnt an act of god. And neither will any disclaimers, because this goes above and beyond negligence, it is outright sabatoage. And whatever company is stupid enough to do this will pay the price. Because when my websites arent online, the credit cards arent being charged and I am not making money. And thats my livlihood your toying with. I cannot even belive that people are considering this idea of turning servers off for a minute, closing support departments and so on because it is so incredibly ludicrious that it is beyond belief. I hope that everyone here is kidding about this. Ahh....ahhh....ahhh...did you check the poll?:eek: Looks like most people are staying online. :) kkimmel 09-10-2002, 03:09 AM I dont have any dedicated servers right now. All servers that I have out remotely are co-located (my box at thier NOC). But ownership is not the point. If you hire a security guard to watch the bank after hours and he takes off the morning of Sept 11th, and the bank gets robbed, he is more or less responsible for it. Now it would be differrent if the robbers shot the guard, obviously he cannot protect anything with a bullet in his head. Same thing with the severs. The fibers get cut, thats understandable. But to go down to the breaker panel and start throwing breakers for the datacenter would be stupid to say the least. HRBrendan 09-10-2002, 03:29 AM Guy you need to relax a little, noone is shutting off your freakin servers. -Brendan tribby 09-10-2002, 03:42 AM Originally posted by HRBrendan Guy you need to relax a little, noone is shutting off your freakin servers. -Brendan Eloquently put ;) modihost 09-10-2002, 04:46 AM From See Eye Hosts network status page In memory and honor of those Americans who lost their lives on September 11, 2001, we will observe one minute of silence from 8:46 am CST to 8:47 am CST. During this one minute of silence, our staff will be unavailable to answer phone calls or respond to online inquiries. We apologize in advance for any inconvenience this may cause you, our valued customers. WCSWEB 09-10-2002, 09:36 AM On Tuesday September 11 2001 at 8:30 am I was standing a couple of miles away from the towers I saw everything from the second tower been hit to seen both towers falling to the ground its the worst feeling that I have felt in my entire life I felt useless that is my personal story. But "The show must go on" I will always remember what happened that day but I will not be taken down by the terrorist I will live my life to the fullest. The internet is open 24x7 and so is the hosting industry. September 11 will be business as usual 24x7 just like it is for New Years, Xmas and all the other important dates in our calendar. Willy dynamicnet 09-10-2002, 09:45 AM Greetings: While my wife and I are going to a candle lighting and prayer event tomorrow (9/11/2002) evening, life does go on. Life is for the living, and it is we who must stand and go on. We need to remember this event and similar events in history; but, we need to move on with our lives and be productive. Thank you. pokerstore 09-10-2002, 04:22 PM 09/11/01 caused enough damage as it is, there is no need for it to further damage the economy by not having business as usual. Just my opinion. Richard Ward 09-10-2002, 05:01 PM Originally posted by lightnin I don't think 9/11 is a reason to close anything. If you want to run a business that closes for any reason, you've chosen the wrong one. What if a server crashes? Servers don't give a damn what happened on 9/11 and they don't give a damn about Christmas, Channukkah or Kwanza either. How can any company justify the downtime that could potentially be caused by leaving the business unattended for a day? Being a service provider is a 24/7/365 business. We all knew that going in. It shouldn't change because of September 11th or any other day. My own personal choice for the 11th is to make it as close to a normal day as I possibly can. Others may choose to deal with it differently, but I can't imagine it being a viable excuse to just close up shop for the day. 9-11 is just like 7-11, except without the good hot dogs. Rewdog 09-10-2002, 05:08 PM Heck if I'm going to let the Klu Klux Klan of Islam affect the way my business is run. The events are extremely tragic, but I don't want any part of giving more recognition to what Al-Quieda did to affect our Country, our Economy, and Our way of living and operating. Choppy 09-10-2002, 05:46 PM For the people that are having a panic attack about SurrenderOnline switching of its servers. Once again " We are switching of the Servers and the PC in the office only for one minute " NO CUSTOMER / CLIENT / RESELLER / DEDICATED BOX OWNER etc etc etc will be affected. Yes its not the end of the world but one minute of reflection doesnt mean that we forget about support and sales. kkimmel take it easy, take a breath its all good. Regards Elena Gem Hexen 09-10-2002, 06:49 PM Originally posted by Richard Ward 9-11 is just like 7-11, except without the good hot dogs. 7-11 does not have good hot dogs so your similie sucks. benoire 09-10-2002, 07:29 PM Why do people feel the need to go to Church or prayer meetings or whatever because it is the anniversary of a big event, but yet they don't go any other time? Absolutely ludicrous. They pray to God when they are experiencing difficulties, yet aren't bothered about him when everything is just fine. :rolleyes: Andrew 09-10-2002, 07:30 PM Well, I like 7/11 hotdogs! So, THERE! :D Hostkookster 09-10-2002, 07:40 PM Yes we should remember this day, however we shouldn't commercialize it. Have you seen some of the street vendors down at ground zero selling their crap to people?? People gotta put their priorities in order. Why would anyone want to buy a "trade center snow globe"?? People gotta move on - i've heard nothing but 9/11 stuff ever since Sept 1st. Its like getting ready for Christmas or something. Everyone on TV wants you to tune into their 1,2,3 hour special. I commend people for their hard work but bringing up all these feelings of hatred, and fear has done nothing to help anyone out. It just creates a raw atmosphere of terror. And this is not what we should be remembering September 11 / 2001 for. We should be remembering the heros, the resiliance of human beings. We should not be remembering the horrific sight of 2 747's crashing into the tower, and watching them fall, again and again and again, on what could be instant replay. It just sickens your stomach. 9/11 should be remembered as a day that showed the genuine spirit of mankind and their determination to push through the tragedy to continue on with their lives, and be twice as strong as before. I'm not reading a paper on the 11th i'm not turning on the TV on the 11th. I'm going to escapse most of this nonsense just by reflecting myself, not having others do it for me. I don't need to be reminded of horrific images. We saw enough of those on the original day of the attack. We are all responsible to ourselves to put this tragedy behind us, to remember, to reflect, and most importantly to move on. :) chrisb 09-10-2002, 08:57 PM I just wish people would take the American flag off their websites. Though they say they have it there for remembrance, it looks like they are commercializing a tragedy. Richard Ward 09-10-2002, 09:39 PM Originally posted by chrisb I just wish people would take the American flag off their websites. Though they say they have it there for remembrance, it looks like they are commercializing a tragedy. Agreed. gtrplayer 09-10-2002, 10:06 PM it's time to let the died rest in peace, turn the "ground zero site" into a shrine, and quit moping. move on people. we honor the dead and prove the villains gravely miscalculated us by just going about our bizness as usual. and that's what i'll do. i leave the rest up to Him. btw...it's been almost a year and i still think this is hysterical... http://www.theonion.com/onion3734/hijackers_surprised.html we must smile to honor those who gave all so that they will not have died in vain. sure we can mourn them. sure we can shed tears but if do fail to move forward...we lose everything. just my 2¢ my complaint person is helen waite. if you'd like to complain about my posts...please go to helen waite. :stickout thanks! Corn Cob 09-11-2002, 12:31 AM honestly, the companies should continue to do business. i can see if they lost a brother in it but if not - get over it. Gem Hexen 09-11-2002, 12:41 AM I don't know, but I've heard 12 sirens tonight . . . well its september 11 on the east coast already. the-muse 09-11-2002, 01:15 AM Kind Regards --Christopher The American flag is the problem, not the answer. Think about it. ...agreed, as with any flag, uniform, political ideology, religious dogma... anything that deceives humankind the world over into killing the human spirit that binds us all from birth... osama, george, put that in your m-16 and smoke it ... :dunce: hostpc.com 09-11-2002, 10:26 AM Well, I can understand for most people/businesses it's "just another day". I lost 3 friends in the WTC tragedy, and I chose to close my company today for sales, but tech support will be at full speed. It's all a matter of preference and personal choice. I don't blame or criticize anyone for their business choices. For those offering "sales" - good luck! Personally, I can delay a day of sales - I'll feel more comfortable knowing I did it for "the cause".... and because my personal convictions will be upheld. Have a great day everyone! |