I am having doubts

Why don't you e-mail greg directly?

Originally posted by Samuel
Why don't you e-mail greg directly?

maybe I should
then again
I pretty much have the idea what he's going to say

Well if your mind is made up why even start a "New" thread about it. I personally know it's in fast development and know there is no more questions right now that will speed it up.

It's going to come out, this I am sure, I know it's going to come out this year, this I am sure about also. That's all I need to know

Originally posted by Samuel


Well if your mind is made up why even start a "New" thread about it. I personally know it's in fast development and know there is no more questions right now that will speed it up.

It's going to come out, this I am sure, I know it's going to come out this year, this I am sure about also. That's all I need to know


the funny thing is that I was saying the exact same thing to other people about a year ago :)

I do side work for one of the main developers, I'm convinced of what I say. See ya in a year! lol

If you really wanted to know, it seems you would ask someone that could actually answer you instead of starting this thread.

Why do you say another year?

I think we should just drop any/all talks of hostgui. All this hype and free marketing... all the while nobody knows when/if it'll ever come out. I say let's all drop the subject as though it doesn't and won't ever exist.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Originally posted by Skeptical
I think we should just drop any/all talks of hostgui. All this hype and free marketing... all the while nobody knows when/if it'll ever come out. I say let's all drop the subject as though it doesn't and won't ever exist.

I'll believe it when I see it.

agreed

Makes sense,,

That sounds like a good idea, it was stupid for them to even make noise about a project that isnt even in a demo mode.

Either that or genious marketing :)

Well, ive talked to greg - i beleive the project is real. I am developing my own cp software and i know what its like. Minor bugs take days to fix. Everything must work. You have to make it idtiot and hacker proof. You have to make all different types of 3rd party software work together. Not to mention, hostgui is on a HUGE scale - i cant even begin to think of how long it would take me to do that.

if you guys have given up hope and decided not to talk about hostgui until its released, why do you keep coming here and posting in these forums just for the point of dissing hostgui before its even out. They dont advertise it here, its only the visitors here. If you guys stopped this nonsense, you wont hear about hostgui until its done...

I think you should do a search... there's some pretty negative stuff about them at WHT. Plus the developpers said that they were releasing it this March. It's September now.

I dont need to do a search. Ive been here for a while. Ive spoken to greg. Ive seen their threads. My CP was supposed to be out in July and its Sept now - and it took me months and months and months to do what simple thing i have now - hostgui isnt holding you to it or forcing you to buy it or talk about it. basically, the people talking about it here are the cause for all the hype

Originally posted by MaB
I dont need to do a search. Ive been here for a while. Ive spoken to greg. Ive seen their threads. My CP was supposed to be out in July and its Sept now - and it took me months and months and months to do what simple thing i have now - hostgui isnt holding you to it or forcing you to buy it or talk about it. basically, the people talking about it here are the cause for all the hype
I know I'd get really worked up if they promised but didn't deliver on time. Especially since I believe that some people have prepaid. If something that was supposed to hasn't come out after 5 months, they should be having an explaination.

Anyone who pre-paid can request and get their money back. You can get "worked up" if they dont deliver on time, however no one is holding you to it, no one is forcing you to wait for them.

Originally posted by MaB
I dont need to do a search. Ive been here for a while. Ive spoken to greg. Ive seen their threads. My CP was supposed to be out in July and its Sept now

but did you try to sell it and take people's money without having a clue if/when it would be released but at the same time making people think it would be within 3 months?

Originally posted by rastoma


but did you try to sell it and take people's money without having a clue if/when it would be released but at the same time making people think it would be within 3 months?

Valid point, I highly doubt it will come out. It's like the infamous nocsoft

I honestly dont see whats the big deal with hostgui... it doesnt seem all that impressive..

I dont like Helm's interface, but as far as features and admin abilities i think Helm is the only one projected to come out that is better than the panels already on the market...

Hostgui just seems like a prettier cpanel.

Originally posted by MaB
Anyone who pre-paid can request and get their money back. You can get "worked up" if they dont deliver on time, however no one is holding you to it, no one is forcing you to wait for them.
Sure, no one would be forcing me to do it, but the point is, if I paid for something, I would want it on time. People have clients waiting. If you were promised a server within a week but didn't get it, would you be satisfied and say "they didnt force me, I'll get my money back and lose my clients".

Originally posted by jdp29053

I honestly dont see whats the big deal with hostgui... it doesnt seem all that impressive... Hostgui just seems like a prettier cpanel.
That's exactly what it is! The idea was competing with cpanel on the basis of a better-looking skin with a couple of addon features and a one-off pricing.

The odd thing is, the company (Jaguarpc) that started this botched up marketing scheme still uses a stock cpanel skin for their hosting customers.

How can they ever deliver hostgui if they couldn't even develop their own skin yet?

The word "utopia" comes to mind.

Mistral, truly you are posting the very same things you have already posted which constitues just an attack.

If you have nothing to say but mean and hateful things, then you're a really mean person! DANG! DANG DANG!!!!!!

If you can't see through these things, analyze it with a cool head, putting aside what your chums at jaguarpc whispered to your ears and you are unable to apply just a small amount of common sense, you must be overly dosed with dope and sedated with valium to a dangerous degree!

Maybe we should call you an ambulance? ;)

heheh no actually I know it is on it's way to completion

No whispering here =)

Originally posted by Samuel
heheh no actually I know it is on it's way to completion

No whispering here =)

bollocks

Originally posted by Samuel

heheh no actually I know it is on it's way to completion

No whispering here =)
You keep repeating your nonsense!

That's exactly what you said to me in another thread in WHT about this scheme 3 and half months ago (June 1, 2002):

Quote: "You would do yourself a great deal of good by apologizing and retracting your statements as I can specifically refute what you have posted with information that is current as of yesterday, so please state what "You know" not what you think you know."

Time to eat your words again?

No, I didn't eat my words then. =)

Saying I am posting nonsense, is akin to saying I am lying, which I am not doing.

My opinion is that it will be released, and Mistral, the date on my registration is not indicative to the time I have been registered on this board.

I watched the very first threads about Hostgui and am still confident of it's impending release.

Not interested in fighting with you, this is my personal opinion and I am confident in stating it.

First, I didn't say you were lying. There's a large gaping hole between being nonsensical and lying. Jag must have given you a few tips about how to get the sympathy of the moderators by pure twisting of the reality to get an inconvenient thread (such as this one) closed. ;)

There's no one fighting against you. I respect your opinion and your optimism.

I have merely questioned the merit of believing those whispers from your friends at jaguarpc, again and again, without seeing one iota of concrete result.

I hope you are not being taken for yet another ride!

Hi again mistral, not sure what the mods have to do with anything I say (Except constantly warning me not to hit on some of the girls here), I have never asked for a post to be closed on this forum in seriousness (SAH Aside), really it looks as though you are trying to call me out, and seriously, I am posting what I believe. If it does not come to bare (HostGUI), it will cause a very large rift professionally for me.

Really, I don't speak to Jag (Have spoken to), but do not conversate, nor have any direct contact with him.

I talk to the developers and the developer I know, have contracted, and trust and know will come through.

What is wrong with what I just posted?

Everything will be revealed on January 1st, 2003. As you probably know, this is the latest promised launch date for this marketing scheme.

Originally posted by mistral1
If you can't see through these things, analyze it with a cool head, putting aside what your chums at jaguarpc whispered to your ears and you are unable to apply just a small amount of common sense, you must be overly dosed with dope and sedated with valium to a dangerous degree!

Maybe we should call you an ambulance? ;)

Mistral, I have always been on your side with this hostgui debacle. But you just don't seem to give up the endless criticism and sometimes outright insults at this people. One will think human nature will define an end to it all, other than some personal animousity towards the guihost or hostg team. Seriously though, is there something personal bothering you that I don't see? I will hate to go on reading your comments on them blindly and not knowing if there was something behind it. This is not a statement but a real question I won't mind seeing an answer to.

What exactly is the point of this thread? So far I didn't see anything usefull coming out. Just a bunch of retarded comments.

Does apple grape cranberry juice taste like apples, grape, cranberry's, or applejacks?!?!?!

lol,, sorry...

Originally posted by Jburnley

Mistral, I have always been on your side with this hostgui debacle. But you just don't seem to give up the endless criticism and sometimes outright insults at this people. One will think human nature will define an end to it all, other than some personal animousity towards the guihost or hostg team. Seriously though, is there something personal bothering you that I don't see? I will hate to go on reading your comments on them blindly and not knowing if there was something behind it. This is not a statement but a real question I won't mind seeing an answer to.
Thanks for your support. :)

There's no personal animosity between me and the hostgui or jaguarpc etc. That's because I don't know them personally, I have never dealt with them before either in business or personal capacity.

I am just an observer, simply trying to read into the minds of some smart people who think that anyone except them are complete idiots and can be easily manipulated. That's what I'm against at. I am sure many other members are, too.

I have not personally started this thread, but could not help to chip in at a later stage as there seemed to be an apparently brain-washed member on here (namely, Samuel) who just can't see the forest for the trees. It's not his fault though, he's been told sweet stories by a member of this marketing scheme.

Let me know if this info satisfies you. Please note, I will be unable to reply to any new post until the weekend.

Yea just release it, when ya'll say who cares if it has bugs or security flaws. I just paid for it to be released on so an so date.

Makes sence to me we don't need to worry about anyone being naughty and trying to find their way into the server. Just as long as it's released when it supposed to be.

Sheez think about it before ya start to complain geez

Originally posted by mistral1
I have not personally started this thread, but could not help to chip in at a later stage as there seemed to be an apparently brain-washed member on here (namely, Samuel) who just can't see the forest for the trees. It's not his fault though, he's been told sweet stories by a member of this marketing scheme.


I don't have a problem with your attitude towards a vendor, but when you post an inaccuracy about me, I do have a problem with it.

I don't know a "Marketer", as you seem to think.

I've stated a couple times who I know, you ignoring that only proves you're just wanting to be a troll.

It could be about McDonalds hamburgers and you would still pull one little bit out of someone's response, regurgitate it inaccurately, and think you've posted something that has to do with the truth.

Yes, I've pulled this out of your post, but do read within this post where I actually don't have a problem with the rest of your post, your inaccuracies I do.

Final post:

> I don't know a "Marketer", as you seem to think.

I know exactly who you're talking about. I said "a member of this marketing scheme", not a "marketer", meaning your idol, php guru (is he? I've no idea, that's what you said anyway) at jaguarpc.

> It could be about McDonalds hamburgers and you would still pull one little bit out of someone's response, regurgitate it inaccurately, and think you've posted something that has to do with the truth.

The first part may be true, the second is incorrect.

Well, there isn't really much left to talk about this scheme. More or less we know what Jag has been up to so far. Hostgui will either happen or not. And we'll all know about it by January 1st, 2003.

Let me repeat it. I'm not saying that hostgui will never happen. All I'm saying is: Let's wait! If it does happen, I will be issuing an apology in this forums immediately.

In fact, can you hear the deafening silence coming from Jag? That may well mean they ARE quietly working on this project right now.

So that's it - as far as this subject is concerned. See you around! ;)

HostGui is not out yet, it may be out soon, may not be out for years...

But there is absolutely no way anyone here can really say for sure.. .

So i say drop it.

congrats on getting another locked thread under your belt mistral1.... if you keep it up im sure you can get them all locked!

Originally posted by Jag

congrats on getting another locked thread under your belt mistral1.... if you keep it up im sure you can get them all locked! Have you popped the champagne yet to celebrate it? ;)

Well, you work hard for them to be locked ... You try to bring the argument to a personal level so you can then cry foul to the moderators. By focussing on one person you attempt to detract the attention from the actual topic. You shrug off and refuse to answer legitimate questions. That's the same strategy you've been using for the past months. It's all part of escapism from reality.

But how far can you run from reality? The facts are there for everyone to see.

Still ... we'll take all you say at face value ... just once more ... that is, until January 1 2003, your own promised deadline.

Good luck with your imaginary product!

Im really at a loss as to what you think is so hard to beleive, is it that another company is making a control panel? Is it forbidden that companies make control panels? Ok so ours isnt released, we arent promoting it, we arent doing anything different than others, so what gives....do you have some stake in this? We made a system that is comparible to others around the market and plan to price it competitively.....whats the big deal here? There is no question I haven't answered, it may not be the answer your want but its still my answer. You act like what we've done is the impossible.

Oh well, back to work for me.

Originally posted by mistral1
That's the same strategy you've been using for the past months. It's all part of escapism from reality.


What is incredible is you're accusing jag of doing this, yet you're the one doing it.

Spin here, you anonymous chicken****.

Hide behind your nick ya little idget.

Originally posted by mistral1
Have you popped the champagne yet to celebrate it? ;)

Well, you work hard for them to be locked ... You try to bring the argument to a personal level so you can then cry foul to the moderators.

Um, show me once where I went to cry to a mod! Just once, come on ...show me.

Originally posted by Samuel



What is incredible is you're accusing jag of doing this, yet you're the one doing it.

Spin here, you anonymous chicken****.

Hide behind your nick ya little idget.

Exactly, no sig, no name, no email..... nothing ! Who is the one really trying to deceive people here?

When you want to chat I'll give you at least 5 ways to reach me, Greg Landis.

> do you have some stake in this?

None.

> we aren't promoting it ...

But you ARE promoting it! You've got a live site, and a forum full of annoyed humans. Not only that, you are also presenting it as if it's all over and done! Look what you are saying:

"We made a system that is comparable to others around the market ....."

You are not saying that you are making it, or that you'll be making it. You are saying that "you made a system". So where is it?

And Sam, it's good to know you can speak some slang! But ... your provocation won't work this time around! I am fully aware of what you're trying to do. I said what I have to say to you on this thread (http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72910). All you have to do now is answer the question in the last post!

Troll, you selectively ignore posts, and youre a chicken ****.

Quit hiding punky brewster

Programming a Control Panel isn't easy and you run into problems. However you shouldn't set a release date until you are 100% sure. (We learned the hard way).

HostGUI has been in development for a few years now. I don't know when it will come out. But I can assure you that if HostGUI knows whats good for them they will release it eventually because then they will have a bad name for unkept promises. This being known, they will release HostGUI

Like I said, programming is difficult. There is no need to argue over things that aren't completed yet. I think the only reason to argue would be if you paid for it.

:(

I may be keeping anonymous but that doesn't mean that I'm hiding anything.

Sam: Your provocation WON'T work. Now back to the reality.

Let me repeat again, just in case your eyes got tired and you couldn't read my previous post:

I said what I have to say to you on this thread (http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72910). All you have to do now is answer the question in the last post.

If you had half a brain you would realize you've linked to this thread twice.

Troll

I 2nd that (Neo's comments) - to program a cp on their scale takes a while. even when you set a date that you think is far enough away, time flies. even when you have no bugs and you set a release date in 2 months, enough bugs will pop up to ensure that you have to wait more than 2 months to release :) Id rather wait for great software than try buggy software. If hostgui set a bad release date, then dont keep ragging them on it, its passed and now let them be.

Mistral - YOU are the one advertising it. They dont start any threads about it - only you appear to start/encourage Jags participation and in return YOU are letting him tell more people about his product.

And if it doesnt come out mistral, what do you loose/gain? Unless you are one who paid upfront to get a special discount you didnt loose anything, and as i understand it, you can ask for your money back

OK, for the obvious reasons, it seems we won't get an answer from Sam. So we'll forget about Sam.

MaB, I have only started one thread on hostgui and that was a long time ago. The credit for starting the remaining threads belongs to other members. If you do a search you'll find that out. Also, it isn't only me that gets annoyed with Jag's tactics and hype. Just read the threads.

But yes, I said it before, and I'll say it again. Maybe hostgui will one day become a reality. But until then, it's just an imaginary project. At this time all we have is a screenshot of the front page. There is no demo, no public beta, no inside pages, nothing ... !

Say you were trying to flog an imaginary product, do the marketing hype on unawares people, and sell it upfront on the basis of a picture of just 1 aspect of this imaginary product (hey, I know you wouldn't do that :) ). What would people call you if you hadn't delivered the goods ... once ... twice ... thrice?

All products are "imaginary" before they are released... did you see the windows 2k code during the early years they were making it? Did it exist though? Isnt it possible that it exists and there are delays? Just because you cant see it doesnt mean it doesnt exist...

MaB, I can't remember being sold a copy of Win2k on the basis of a picture, can you? And aren't there always live, public betas around? Then they give a release date and you order the packaged, finished product. Sure, that doesn't mean that you can't create some hype around the product well before it's released.

Hostgui's first formal release date was announced as April 2002. Then apparently the programmers suddenly quit the project (unknown reasons). Well, all Jag has to say is that they've quit the project altogether. If they haven't quit, then time will obviously tell whether they have or not. And if they had quit and they're still insisting that they haven't, how on earth will he eventually defend himself?

Sure, he can say "Sorry guys, that's it! Thanks for your interest, you've been wonderful waiting for my imaginary product, but tough luck, it's off now". That's fine, and he'll most probably get away with it. But will people believe his word ever again?

So you think all these conversations are because hes trying to salvage a bad reputation instead of just giving up? Hes not stupid, if it was over, he wouldnt let it drag on. And there were no beta groups of win2k till he very end. did you beta cpanel? or plesk? - did they even have beta? (Dont forget, microsoft has 0 competition in their business, if you run a mac, you're not waiting for win2k, so announcing features doesnt hurt them or help their competitors) - and no i didnt pay for win2k but anyone who paid for hostgui can get a refund if they asked

MaB, I note what you say. Thanks.

mistral1,

With all due respect to your mission, whatever that may be, and although I remain suspicious of your intentions and motivation, I would like for you to leave my name out of your comments.

Such as, in a recently locked thread; "You can be proud of the fact that you've just replaced Tim Greer as Jag's no.1 mouthpiece." I have never, ever, spoken for anyone else. In fact, I don't believe I responded to anything about any comment stated about Greg, or JaguarPC, and only in response to your posts about HostGUI a long time ago -- in which you had PM'ed me making threats (the mods are welcome to view my PM's to verify this).

You needn't try and sway people to believe that I ever did or ever would mindlessly make claims or support it without knowing the facts. If you want to try and dismiss what I said previously, for whatever reasons (to make yourself feel better or to simply deny I might have spoken true words), that is your choice. However, I don't appreciate your attempts to continue to drag my name into this, as if I was at all what you choose to try and make me out to be previously.

I am not a liar, I am not making excuses, I simply commented previously of my knowledge of the status and situation. If that wasn't good enough for you and you choose to base all your excuses on it just not being out still, what do you suggest I do and how does this have any relevance to me and the current status?

I couldn't exactly go and post source code, now could I. Even if I did, you'd just claim that could be a part of any code and doesn't mean we had anymore than just that one part done. It was no my position to post announcements, it was not my position or authority to put up a demo of something, no matter how complete it might have been. Due to many reasons I know of, the demos were not to be released due to competitors adding features as they were announced. This was a fact, and giving away parts or ideas or seeing how it worked would give competitors a better chance of mimicking these features.

So the choice is to risk that, or satisfy the skeptical. I imagine people that are skeptical to such an extreme have already decided on how interested they aren't anyway and it would be a point made in vain and out of risk. Again, the choice to or not was not my decision. You mentioned that you'd not believe Sam until he said that he indeed saw code/scripts and pages, etc. Well, I did, and that's not good enough. I don't believe if he had and told you, that you'd believe him either.

What you're doing is unacceptable. The manner in which you are approaching this leaves absolutely no room for anyone to prove or disprove anything. You've shown that you can't be reasoned with, and that you will not accept anything anyone says. I can say (and this is the facts) that I saw and worked on code. I can say that the new code I've not seen because the condition of the previous code, due to the previous developers, was ultimately not salvageable and it would be faster and better quality to start over. I wasn't involved in that as I had left Jaguar shortly before this all begun (or actually right about the time it was beginning -- due to other reasons, not for anything in regards to HostGUI).

I have since talked with some of the developers and know that one of the original developers had completed all his (very large) tasks quite a while ago and that it was very close. I can't imagine how close it is or isn't now, but I have obvious reasons to believe that it is. I don't need to fabricate anything about this, although I know you'll question how I can 'know' if it's just something I 'believe'. Chalk it up to no more than I was very involved and I was there and now am involved enough to know -- and that I am simply being as accurate and truthful as I am able to be without seeing the new code (and why would I have access to it?).

I left, as I said, for other reasons. No one else quit. The former developers, due to the quality, were terminated. In fact, many new developers were hired on as a new team was formed. You are simply misrepresenting the events to confuse the facts and I don't appreciate it. Whatever bothers you so much about this, it's not related to me. Greg has reiterated many times that it was a mistake to set a release date and hasn't since.

So will you drop it already? If it never came out, how would this affect your life? I can't imagine what motivates you to do this, but I've spent the last few days sick and get a message from someone telling me about another HostGUI thread that you're tearing apart and bringing me up in. This doesn't make me happy.

I can't imagine why you haven't been banned from here, but then I recall why I don't come here anymore. have some decency and don't involve me in this, because I've done nothing wrong, and have done nothing to you other than to have replied a long time ago to your bashing back then to state the facts as I knew them. Just because it's convenient for you to discredit me and dismiss what I stated as fabrication, doesn't mean anything.

I had done nothing to you, other than correct you with facts, which you turned away from and claimed I was just mindlessly defending this product and you viciously attacked me and everything I said. You obviously have issues, and I just wonder what you will possibly do with your time once it is released (oh, that's really asking for it, isn't it?). So, again, just leave me out of this. This doesn't involve me at all.

Originally posted by Jag
congrats on getting another locked thread under your belt mistral1.... if you keep it up im sure you can get them all locked!
And you can congratulate yourself on getting this one locked by starting up the argument again with this comment where the last post was submitted on 09-18-2002. The thread was locked, that doesn't mean search for other HostGUI threads and continue it there.