Hello Everybody,

Due to some insistent clients i am forced to offer hosting as a part of the development/SEO package that i offer to my clients.

Have done the rounds with the forum and would like the knowledgeable to vote

Specifications:

1. Space : Approx 10-20 GB ( not oversold )
2. Bandwidth : Approx 150 GB
3. Joomla1.0 and 1.5 supported ( mod rewrite and safe mode off)
4. looking to pay around $10-$20/month for it
5. Very good uptime. Dont want a 99.9% uptime guarantee as i know that it doesnt work that way.
6. Most important is support

Rameen and Chris seem the most responsive around here and all have good to say about Innohosting so am presuming its not just advertising (I trust the community here)

Hostgator has good and bad , both of it and considering they oversell there shared hosting a lot i really cannot guage there operation policy.

Not much other then a couple threads with scanty review of GeekStorage was found by me , i might have missed something somewhere.

ResellerZoom also has good and bad for it. So my options are all open as of now.


However before making a choice i would like to know if i missed someone good or if i need to reconsider my options.

I thank everyone commenting for your time and opinion and would value it in my decision.

PS : Do point out if my needs are too much for too little. :)

Just a point to make here. When i say Forced to provide hosting, kindly note that it is used here as a figure of speech and not an implied action cause i know i will get rebuked for saying so :)

Your budget is nicely middle of the road assuming you are will to go TO > $20, at $10 quality will be very dicey indeed...you should be able to get quality for that the upper end of your price range. If you see a company you like and the price is out of your budget...do not be afraid to ask. You never know and you may be able to cut yourself a deal....:)




Hello Everybody,

Due to some insistent clients i am forced to offer hosting as a part of the development/SEO package that i offer to my clients.

Have done the rounds with the forum and would like the knowledgeable to vote

Specifications:

1. Space : Approx 10-20 GB ( not oversold )
2. Bandwidth : Approx 150 GB
3. Joomla1.0 and 1.5 supported ( mod rewrite and safe mode off)
4. looking to pay around $10-$20/month for it
5. Very good uptime. Dont want a 99.9% uptime guarantee as i know that it doesnt work that way.
6. Most important is support

Rameen and Chris seem the most responsive around here and all have good to say about Innohosting so am presuming its not just advertising (I trust the community here)

Hostgator has good and bad , both of it and considering they oversell there shared hosting a lot i really cannot guage there operation policy.

Not much other then a couple threads with scanty review of GeekStorage was found by me , i might have missed something somewhere.

ResellerZoom also has good and bad for it. So my options are all open as of now.


However before making a choice i would like to know if i missed someone good or if i need to reconsider my options.

I thank everyone commenting for your time and opinion and would value it in my decision.

PS : Do point out if my needs are too much for too little. :)

Your budget is nicely middle of the road assuming you are will to go TO > $20, at $10 quality will be very dicey indeed...you should be able to get quality for that the upper end of your price range. If you see a company you like and the price is out of your budget...do not be afraid to ask. You never know and you may be able to cut yourself a deal....:)


Thanks for your input. Yes my budget is towards the $20 range + or - a couple $'s since quality is very important to me.

Of course a good deal is something we all look out for :)

1. Space : Approx 10-20 GB ( not oversold )

4. looking to pay around $10-$20/month for it

I don't think that "no overselling" doesn't go well with the numbers you've mentioned. Even assuming that the space could be not oversold, the host would still have to put quite a number of accounts on the server, to make it worth its while. All you'd achieve would be fooling yourself. At $10-$20, the reseller account is just slightly more than your typical shared hosting package, but offers so much more in terms of features and addons.

Leave the overselling levels to your provider, and trust its judgment if it has managed to survive for years, grow, and keep a decent reputation a the same time. ;)

I don't think that "no overselling" doesn't go well with the numbers you've mentioned. Even assuming that the space could be not oversold, the host would still have to put quite a number of accounts on the server, to make it worth its while. All you'd achieve would be fooling yourself. At $10-$20, the reseller account is just slightly more than your typical shared hosting package, but offers so much more in terms of features and addons.

Leave the overselling levels to your provider, and trust its judgment if it has managed to survive for years, grow, and keep a decent reputation a the same time. ;)

Point taken. This is why I keep in high regards the judgement of WHT folks. Just a few things though.

$20 for a 10 gb space if calculated comes to around $400 for a 200 gb volume. That should be fair enough not to warrant overselling, should it not? I might be wrong here but am asking more a question then commenting.

$20 for a 10 gb space if calculated comes to around $400 for a 200 gb volume. That should be fair enough not to warrant overselling, should it not? I might be wrong here but am asking more a question then commenting.

A decent server with anything but IDE drives and 200 GB of space will cost at least $200 and that's assuming a pretty cheap data center. Now factor in the costs of support and the need to make profit and you're left with a very slim profit margin.

A decent server with anything but IDE drives and 200 GB of space will cost at least $200 and that's assuming a pretty cheap data center. Now factor in the costs of support and the need to make profit and you're left with a very slim profit margin.

Thanks for the information. So basically it all translates to the server being oversold if we are looking @$20 for a 10 gb server space.

Could u please explain what would be an optimum cost/space ratio? ( Provided bandwidth is constant of 150 gb approx).

It depends on the uptime you're looking for. If you're looking for somewhere between 99.3% and 99.5%, you should be able to find something oversold but stable enough for that uptime for $20/month. If you need a higher uptime (in the range of 99.9%, as your OP suggests), you need to at the very least double your budget - I cannot honestly give you a cost/space ratio, maybe someone else can help - and that is assuming that the vast majority of that space and bandwidth is not going to power Joomla (because if it is, it would be very intensive and you'd need at least a VPS).

Answer to your original post: Go the InnoHosting way.

I have done so and don't regret at all. :D

Edit: I had been with ResellerZoom for a short span but, left InnoHosting. No first hand experience with the other you mentioned.

It depends on the uptime you're looking for. If you're looking for somewhere between 99.3% and 99.5%, you should be able to find something oversold but stable enough for that uptime for $20/month. If you need a higher uptime (in the range of 99.9%, as your OP suggests), you need to at the very least double your budget - I cannot honestly give you a cost/space ratio, maybe someone else can help - and that is assuming that the vast majority of that space and bandwidth is not going to power Joomla (because if it is, it would be very intensive and you'd need at least a VPS).

That is really helpful. Thanks a lot. There will be a few Joomla sites ( 3-4 max) and rest will be custom developed sites. Not the usual intensive forum types.

I was looking for the 99.9% uptime sort of a thing. Stability is definitely of prime importance. What use is a site which is down often :)

Answer to your original post: Go the InnoHosting way.

I have done so and don't regret at all. :D

Edit: I had been with ResellerZoom for a short span but, left InnoHosting. No first hand experience with the other you mentioned.


May i ask how long u have been with Inno and what was your experience with Zoom with reference to support, downtime and server issues in general

May i ask how long u have been with Inno and what was your experience with Zoom with reference to support, downtime and server issues in general
Been with since mid of Jan 2008. Support is good and quick. Servers are fast.

Regarding Zoom, I was on Budget Reseller Plans. My server was not having a problem but, sites loading time was average - not fast. Support was slow and half the time answered by someone in India. Been with them for only a couple of months though.

My clients noticed the speed in their website loading times as soon as I shifted over to Inno Servers.

Hope this helps.

Been with since mid of Jan 2008. Support is good and quick. Servers are fast.

Regarding Zoom, I was on Budget Reseller Plans. My server was not having a problem but, sites loading time was average - not fast. Support was slow and half the time answered by someone in India. Been with them for only a couple of months though.

My clients noticed the speed in their website loading times as soon as I shifted over to Inno Servers.

Hope this helps.

Thank You. That does help. I have sent a request for information to Rameen. Hope i get a reply soon. Its been a couple hours - guess he is on a weekend break :)

Been with since mid of Jan 2008. Support is good and quick. Servers are fast.

Regarding Zoom, I was on Budget Reseller Plans. My server was not having a problem but, sites loading time was average - not fast. Support was slow and half the time answered by someone in India. Been with them for only a couple of months though.

My clients noticed the speed in their website loading times as soon as I shifted over to Inno Servers.

Hope this helps.

Well, you were on the budget reseller plan, you can't really compare to Innohosting since this is not the same price range.

A decent server with anything but IDE drives and 200 GB of space will cost at least $200 and that's assuming a pretty cheap data center. Now factor in the costs of support and the need to make profit and you're left with a very slim profit margin.

BUT...If you use 4TB of drives in a Raid 10 setup (2TB storage) with a gig port, Harpertown chips and lots of memory...You can easily be profitable...and you do not have to oversell and with well managed servers, you can still keep very fast and responsive servers.

Same applys to a well done cluster setup....

Lots of hosting providers will pack the servers up and try to make money at the expense of there customers, but I truly believe in the reseller model unless your site is taking 90% of the server resources as you are on a managed box by a hosting company that can operate the OS/Application layer while you focus on your business.

That was really very informative guys ! I have much to learn and this is sure one heaven of a way to start. Just to keep you guys updated , have bought a basic reseller plan from Inno. Rameen has been very responsive with the request and am waiting for things to go up and running. I shall keep the post running and shall keep everyone updated with my experience.

BUT...If you use 4TB of drives in a Raid 10 setup (2TB storage) with a gig port, Harpertown chips and lots of memory...You can easily be profitable...and you do not have to oversell and with well managed servers, you can still keep very fast and responsive servers.

I would claim that you're going to have an interesting time running 200 clients (10 GB a client is what we were talking about) each with 10 GB of space and 150 GB of bandwidth without overselling bandwidth and other resources, even if you're not overselling the space. Bandwidth alone would come out to 30 TB - you would need a gigabit connection plus that's just a monstrous amount for one server to handle.