As you all know, theres been troubles (cPanel problems) over at EARhost, but the hosting/ftp has worked fine. Until now...

Error Alert

Your Web site is not responding

URL: http://www.[removed].com
Time: Thu Sep 05 16:16:33 EDT 2002, EST
Error Type: Host Not Found


I havent seen James on ICQ for about a week and he hasnt been here for the same amount of time. Tim is always on but on Away and it wont let me message him. The earhost.com site is down too.

I guess this is the end :(

FYI, James was banned from WHT.

WOW, all these hosting companies are going down :rolleyes:

No big suprise on this one i'm afraid...

Just keep your eyes open for the next scam thats run by them.

Does tim still work for earhost? I thought he found another company to attach to.

I can think of another individual or two who are similar to TimPD (jumpin companies every month or two), they seem to be getting out just in time, or getting fired though, before the soap opera begins :D.

Originally posted by Haze
FYI, James was banned from WHT.

woah :eek:

when and why did this happen???

Originally posted by akash


woah :eek:

when and why did this happen???

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=9823

Doesn't look like he is.. If he was, he'd have a - in his title...

Originally posted by The Prohacker


http://www.webhostingtalk.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=9823

Doesn't look like he is.. If he was, he'd have a - in his title...

Proof:
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70600&perpage=10&highlight=fractiousws&pagenumber=5

Scroll to the bottom for xtstrikes message.

Originally posted by Haze


Proof:
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70600&perpage=10&highlight=fractiousws&pagenumber=5

Scroll to the bottom for xtstrikes message.


so then are TimPD and fractiousws the same person???

xtstrike...i know you told us to drop it, but im curious...

Originally posted by Haze


Proof:
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70600&perpage=10&highlight=fractiousws&pagenumber=5

Scroll to the bottom for xtstrikes message.

Thanks for pointing that out, didn't see it...

Originally posted by akash



so then are TimPD and fractiousws the same person???

xtstrike...i know you told us to drop it, but im curious...

I'm pretty sure that was just a rumor.. its pretty easy to distinguish this fact by analyzing the grammar of each of them.

The boxes were switched off for non payment.

Originally posted by Myacen
The boxes were switched off for non payment.

What a surprise!

Originally posted by Myacen
The boxes were switched off for non payment.


Surprise Surprise :D

Maybe You, Vortech, and PowerSurge should all get into a suit togather against Timmah :D

Actually it's not our boxes, I will wait for the official response from the owner of the boxes :)

Don't really mean to plug my post or get offtopic.....actually yes i do....:D
...but anyways...Tim's in the lead here: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72401:rolleyes:

Wheres my name :bawling:

Originally posted by Myacen
Wheres my name :bawling:

unfortunately you weren't nominated.....maybe next month? ;)

Originally posted by akash


unfortunately you weren't nominated.....maybe next month? ;)

:bawling:

On a side note love the shirt :eek:

hey, wheres my name?! :eek: i just hit 3000 posts! i want a cookie damnit :D

Originally posted by porcupine
hey, wheres my name?! :eek: i just hit 3000 posts! i want a cookie damnit :D

Hmm, looks like 3005 to me, I wouldn't vote for someone that mislead's people ;)

*just hit*, not *this is my 3000th* :D

That was like 4 minutes prior that i ticked past 3000...... now wheres that little function of the top 10 posters anyhow? I wanta know where i place! :D

That was like 4 minutes prior that i ticked past 3000...... now wheres that little function of the top 10 posters anyhow? I wanta know where i place!


that was disabled for some reason.....really wish the mods would reenable it...

yea ditto, or at least run it once a day or something, i can imagine it took a fair chunk of resources to run through all the users... then again i bet searching does the same thing :D

Originally posted by porcupine
yea ditto, or at least run it once a day or something, i can imagine it took a fair chunk of resources to run through all the users... then again i bet searching does the same thing :D

This is a dual server setup, so I'm sure it could take it..

I think it was mainly disabled because people used it to harvest addresses to spam...

/me hands porcu a cookie :)

Well this is just great... Anyone know how to contact them? Obviously, their email is down and I tried 866-EARHOST, but that didn't work. Anybody got another phone number?

Originally posted by The Prohacker



Surprise Surprise :D

Maybe You, Vortech, and PowerSurge should all get into a suit togather against Timmah :D
And let me add in RACK EASY to those companys ;). He is late on payment's with us also, he has two boxes with us. He owes $400.00 in 7 days, which if he can't fullfill we might here another thread on him, as these boxes were his backup for the customers who were on the powersurge/vortech servers :D. So, we'll see what happens.

James Hynes: (709) 368-8116

Originally posted by ChickenSteak

And let me add in RACK EASY to those companys ;). He is late on payment's with us also, he has two boxes with us. He owes $400.00 in 7 days, which if he can't fullfill we might here another thread on him, as these boxes were his backup for the customers who were on the powersurge/vortech servers :D. So, we'll see what happens.

Oh please let me pull the plug on those boxes :D

Originally posted by akash
James Hynes: (709) 368-8116

Watch out the mods might edit you with that... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by The Prohacker


Watch out the mods might edit you with that... :rolleyes:

then i post it again...it's publicly available via the whois...

Got a bunch of rings. No answer... where is (709) anyway?

Originally posted by akash


then i post it again...it's publicly available via the whois...

So was the info on Timmah's uncle, but look how nice they were to edit my sig without telling me anything... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by The Prohacker


Oh please let me pull the plug on those boxes :D
I might just do that ;).

Originally posted by ChickenSteak

I might just do that ;).

Wooohooooo :D

Grr... I need to get my files from the server, a refund, and then switch nameservers immediately. Post me all this guy's ICQ/AIM/ whatever info if you got it. PM it if you have to. Please ;)

Originally posted by XLord
Grr... I need to get my files from the server, a refund, and then switch nameservers immediately. Post me all this guy's ICQ/AIM/ whatever info if you got it. PM it if you have to. Please ;)

uh oh....dont want to sound mean but....

...i hope you learned your lesson: keep a backup on your computer too...

Originally posted by XLord
Grr... I need to get my files from the server, a refund, and then switch nameservers immediately. Post me all this guy's ICQ/AIM/ whatever info if you got it. PM it if you have to. Please ;)

Maybe try PMing Myacen to see if the guy will give you a backup of your site off of the server....

Sometimes the dedicated host is nice enough to let Timmah's customers get their files before the system is formated...

I have a backup from 20 minutes before big changes happened. Then, "EARhost" went down. I'm a good backer-uper usually, but as long as I'm getting a refund, I'm getting my files back. I don't care how much long distance phone calls cost.

Who is Myacen? I'm really not following this whole "Timmah" thing. :confused:

Originally posted by The Prohacker


Maybe try PMing Myacen to see if the guy will give you a backup of your site off of the server....

Sometimes the dedicated host is nice enough to let Timmah's customers get their files before the system is formated...

Myacen already stated these are not there servers. Leave them out of this.

Originally posted by XLord
Who is Myacen? I'm really not following this whole "Timmah" thing. :confused:


Myacen (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=7885)
He posted ealier in this thread, he knows the people who own the servers...


Timmah aka, TimPD, aka, tim@earhost.com, has been known to rip people off...

He has been banned here for ripping several people off in differnt scams, usually he just stops paying his bills for stuff like cpanel and servers, and the customers usually get screwed....

Originally posted by Haze


Myacen already stated these are not there servers. Leave them out of this.

He posted he knew the person who does own the servers, and PM'd the person who started this thread...

I'd assume he sent information about the server or who to contact to get more information....


I said maybe because maybe he didn't send that information, but it really doesn't hurt...

Ahh, yes, I just had a terrible experience with him as well. What happened to James always answering the Questions at the helpdesk? He was good :(

Well I am not surprised as I was a vitcim of Tim's dirty ways a few months ago.


would this be a record for the quickest failure of a webhosting company :eek:

They are using Hostmania servers, no?

And Myacen, if you did send the creator of this thread more info, send it to me too please. Or the receiver of the possible email - hit me up as well.

Originally posted by lightnin
They are using Hostmania servers, no?

Yes they have atleast a couple hostmaina servers.

Who doesn't he have servers with?

Originally posted by The Prohacker
I said maybe because maybe he didn't send that information, but it really doesn't hurt...

Gotcha.. My bad :)

Originally posted by edude
Who doesn't he have servers with?

Stop flaming ;)

Originally posted by edude
Who doesn't he have servers with?

Ya, for a guy with no money, he sure does have a lot of servers.

Originally posted by Haze


Gotcha.. My bad :)

It was my bad too, I didn't word my first post about it careful enough... I forgot to make it clear Myacen doesn't own the servers, I ment too, but must have gotten distracted :D

Originally posted by lightnin


Ya, for a guy with no money, he sure does have a lot of servers.
Lol, has he ever told you about his site that is supposively being done by pixelbrick? colodedication.com... lol:stickout

Originally posted by Haze


Stop flaming ;)

:stickout :stickout :stickout :stickout

As far as I know timmah has servers with

webauthorites.com
&
webworkscorp.com down in colo4dallas

Originally posted by edude
Who doesn't he have servers with?


Yeah for a guy thats supposed to offer colo he sure as hell uses everyone elses data centers...

WOW, Timmah and Charles :D

I never knew he had servers with Charles, but he must pay for them, i don't think anyone could get away with not paying for their servers leased from Charles.

LOL, hes just a reseller :D (for colo that is.)

Originally posted by The Prohacker



Yeah for a guy thats supposed to offer colo he sure as hell uses everyone elses data centers...

Well he co-lo's servers with charles, so charles wasn't much worried since he could sell the servers :)

http://status.nocservers.net/

Originally posted by ChickenSteak
http://status.nocservers.net/


Come on.. 5 more to go down :D

Timmah's servers?

Originally posted by ChickenSteak
http://status.nocservers.net/

Jaguar & W2K

posted by Tim on 17 June 2002 at 1:59 pm



Hello,
Jaguar & W2K will display that services are failing as one is a box that doesn't have everything it yet and W2K is different.


Status

posted by Tim on 17 June 2002 at 1:50 pm



Hello,
We have finally managed to find a great status script that is working great for us. You will find all Status here for all the servers that we have.










































Did he pay for that script? :D :D :D

Yea, those are Timmah's servers. 3 left to go, if he can't make payments he owes me on the servers.

Originally posted by edude
Did he pay for that script? :D :D :D

Its free :D

Originally posted by edude
Did he pay for that script? :D :D :D

Its free unless you want to remove the copyright.

And would Timmah' want to remove the copyright?

hmmm umm this is a hard one :(

:D

:rolleyes: :eek: :rolleyes:

this is turning into a :spam: thread

Originally posted by DanielP
Well he co-lo's servers with charles, so charles wasn't much worried since he could sell the servers :)

Ah... now I understand charles's insults towards me =) (Another thread).

So, has earhost bit the dust?? What's the official word??

I don't think we will be getting any official word from the earhost folks as they are banned ( so are the multiple personalities ). It would be good to hear from the providers, but they don't really have to release that info. It would be good to hear from current clients ( if there are any left on this board :confused: :eek: ) what the word is?

* cough (http://www.nocstatus.com) *

Looks like someone's given them the breath of life. :eek:

Originally posted by Jim_UK
* cough (http://www.nocstatus.com) *


09/06/02 06:24:08 Fast traceroute chevelle.noc4dallas.com
Trace chevelle.noc4dallas.com failed, no such host



09/06/02 06:24:38 Fast traceroute cobra.colo4atlanta.com
Trace cobra.colo4atlanta.com failed, no such host


Ok... who thinks that all those are just one server :D

Are they all Timmmmmaaaaaaaayyyyyy's servers?? :eek:

Interesting...:confused: http://status.nocservers.net/

http://www.nocstatus.com/

I know he has two for sure, which are under me, for few more days, and longer if he makes payment...

That is verry interesting Monte. :eek: same servers same date diferent results :D

Damn, I got played. I thought it was wierd that the IPs were missing.

Originally posted by ChickenSteak
I know he has two for sure, which are under me, for few more days, and longer if he makes payment...
Aren't you on Earhost staff? Or is 'EHBrandon' someone else?

Originally posted by Jim_UK

Aren't you on Earhost staff? Or is 'EHBrandon' someone else?
Someone else ;).

139.81.52.131 & 139.81.50.161, are the servers he has under me.

Originally posted by ChickenSteak

Someone else ;).
My mistake... its just I knew you and Tim are pals and when I saw your name on their staff list I put 2 & 2 together.

Originally posted by Jim_UK

My mistake... its just I knew you and Tim are pals and when I saw your name on their staff list I put 2 & 2 together. We aren't friends, just do business.

Hey bob, lol, does it matter? I mean if they haven't, they will lol.

How's it going down there tonight, Cali overcast weather here =)

so are we getting our money back?

:mad:

Originally posted by Samuel
How's it going down there tonight, Cali overcast weather here =)
Weather is really nice. Just took the new bike out for a ride. Needed to blow some cobwebs out of the brain. :D

lol, why are you asking here.... hahaa

Go to the vendor, sue, chargeback lol

(Been up too long, too much caffiene)

Anybody have any idea on how to do anything to AT LEAST get my files off of their server? HELP!

Originally posted by XLord
Anybody have any idea on how to do anything to AT LEAST get my files off of their server? HELP!

look up the IP at whois.arin.net and then call up the block owner. They should be able to let you know who they subleased the IPs to, and then you can call them up and explain your sitch :)

Nothing for Earhost there.

Originally posted by XLord
Nothing for Earhost there.
:confused:

I searched for earhost.com - www.earhost.com, and no results.

Originally posted by XLord
I searched for earhost.com - www.earhost.com, and no results.

Are you searching arin.net for earhost.com? If so, that wont work, you need to put an IP for the server that served your site.

Ahh, I don't know. If any of you could do the dirty work, I'll do the yelling.

Originally posted by XLord
Ahh, I don't know. If any of you could do the dirty work, I'll do the yelling.

what is your IP and/or nameservers?

my nameservers were NS1.VSTECH.NET (my domain) - i don't know my IP now, it's been too long

Name: ns1.earhost.com
Address: 209.51.153.237

Search results for: 209.51.153.237


OrgName: Net Depot, Inc.
OrgID: DEPO

NetRange: 209.51.128.0 - 209.51.159.255
CIDR: 209.51.128.0/19
NetName: NETDEPOT97
NetHandle: NET-209-51-128-0-1
Parent: NET-209-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: PLUTO.NETDEPOT.COM
NameServer: VULCAN.NETDEPOT.COM
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
********************************************
Reassignment information for this block is
available at rwhois.dv2.net port 382
********************************************
RegDate: 1997-04-22
Updated: 2001-09-14

TechHandle: JH2120-ARIN
TechName: Hinkle, Jeff
TechPhone: +1-404-230-9150
TechEmail: jhinkle@dv2.com


------------------------------------


Name: ns1.vstech.net
Address: 216.180.229.1

Search results for: 216.180.229.1


OrgName: Net Depot, Inc.
OrgID: DEPO

NetRange: 216.180.224.0 - 216.180.239.255
CIDR: 216.180.224.0/20
NetName: NETDEPOT97-1
NetHandle: NET-216-180-224-0-1
Parent: NET-216-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: DNS1.DV2.NET
NameServer: ATLMAIL.DV2.NET
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 2002-06-19
Updated: 2002-06-19

TechHandle: SS2249-ARIN
TechName: Spiegel, Scott
TechPhone: +1-404-433-2584
TechEmail: sspiegel@dv2.com

Originally posted by XLord
my nameservers were NS1.VSTECH.NET (my domain) - i don't know my IP now, it's been too long
Here's your IP - 216.180.229.1

http://www.verisign-grs.com/cgi-bin/whois?whois_nic=NS1.VSTECH.NET&type=nameserver

xlord, thanks to allera and aussie, contact Scott and ask him if he can find out who is leasing the server and/or IP space - and ask him for that person's contact information. Remember to explain your situation :)


TechName: Spiegel, Scott
TechPhone: +1-404-433-2584
TechEmail: sspiegel@dv2.com

That is eservers.biz you need to contact them and see if they will let you get your files.

Scott can't help you he is head network engineer for DV2.

Originally posted by Monte
That is eservers.biz you need to contact them and see if they will let you get your files.

Scott can't help you he is head network engineer for DV2.


good to know :)

and btw, ive had very helpful network admins before....if they couldn't help me, they'd transfer me to someone who could...i'm sure scott would do the same ;)

I am curious ..

Why is everyone proclaiming 'earhost' as being out of business?

Why is everyone jumping on the bandwagon, especially competitors?

Has anyone actually contacted an Earhost rep. (outside of WHT) to get their side of the story?

Originally posted by netacore

Has anyone actually contacted an Earhost rep. (outside of WHT) to get their side of the story?

I'm sure everyone has tried, but been unsuccessful. I even posted James' number and that went unanswered....

Trying to get a response from EARHost is useless. But I found a way...

Filing a police report. James lives in Newfoundland Canada, and they have laws there too, yeah, even in canada. As far as James, go ahead and file a police report for him too, just because this is the internet doesnt mean you have lost all your rights. If you paid for a service which you didnt get, or if James or Tim has run off with your money, contact the police, I am.

Call for me too :D

The servers were with us, 3 of them they have been suspended due to non-payment for 6 weeks and a balance in excess of $900.

Didn’t want to do it, but hey it has to be done at times, seems like he wasn’t going to pay at all.

-Shazad

Guys! I called him and he answered! I said "Hi, is this James of EARhost" and he hung up on me :(

I talked with Tim on the phone today and the dns is down on his server that earhost.com is on, u can contact him 1866-earhost he says

So could you possibly be hosting the servers with my account on it and could give me my files? :)

Well i am an EARHost customer, we have had no word from them, James wont reply on AIM and i haven't been able to contact Timmy for ages.
I have given up on the refund, but its pretty obvious that they wont be coming back .........and to whoever said is this the quickest collapse of a host, Don't forget this is the second time EARHost have collapsed......:mad:

DNS isnt down on the server Earhost is on, because i did a deal with james, and he put me on the same server as his main site. Incase any of you clever peeps can work summat out from this, the ns for the main server are

ns1.elite-dns.com
ns2.elite-dns.com

Matt

Tim's supposed to be away for 1-2 weeks, maybe on vacation. Screw him :rolleyes:

Originally posted by R. K. Raja
Tim's supposed to be away for 1-2 weeks, maybe on vacation. Screw him :rolleyes: gee, great 24x7 tech support :rolleyes:

luckily, the server that hosts my sites is still up :)

backed up all my dbs just now... looking for a new host...

Originally posted by netacore
I am curious ..

Why is everyone proclaiming 'earhost' as being out of business?

Why is everyone jumping on the bandwagon, especially competitors?

Has anyone actually contacted an Earhost rep. (outside of WHT) to get their side of the story?

Who is proclaiming earhost is out of business?

I don't see no stinkin bandwagon man.

Contacting earhost is like building a space ship and colonizing the moon on a $4.20 budget from the looks of things.

All us "competitors" are simply trying to get to the bottom of the situation. When one host goes down like this, it does in a way hurt us all in the industry. As far as i am concerned, i am not a competetor. Its like comparing rackshack with rackspace. That is not to say i am rackspace ( or rackshack ), or that any of them are bad providers. Earhost offer(ed) an extreme budget service that most of us figured was 1. impossible to do, 2. impossible to compete with.

This is an extreme case because this is not the first time something like this has happened to James and Tims businesses. Some of us do actually care enough to lend a helping hand in any way we can. Digging up info on this situation is just one way I feel I can help.

Originally posted by XLord
Guys! I called him and he answered! I said "Hi, is this James of EARhost" and he hung up on me :(

i am sure it's now safe to say they are going under
i mean look at that ^^^^
hung up on him

Originally posted by R. K. Raja
Tim's supposed to be away for 1-2 weeks, maybe on vacation. Screw him :rolleyes:

Maybe a vacation to DYS for a while :laugh:

It's a shame to see so many people ripped off over and over again. Why is it so ok and usual in the internet world? They need to pay.

That must've been Tim... I think the EARHost phone number redirects to Tim's own home, where he lives with his parents.

haha remember when Tim-may was saying how he had people IM'ing saying we were all *badword*. I bet they're not doing that anymore.

Originally posted by Haze


Who is proclaiming earhost is out of business?

Geeee, "EARhost dead....." nice title


I don't see no stinkin bandwagon man.

I don't feel like wasting my time copying/pasting usernames for you.



All us "competitors" are simply trying to get to the bottom of the situation.

Excellent. I will add 'Private Investigator' next to my title.


When one host goes down like this, it does in a way hurt us all in the industry.


I don't see how that is possible. Hosting is just like real estate. So if a broker rips off a client, the client will forever live on the street?
Not likely.

I am just tired of host's sticking their nose in the downfall of other companies. If you really want to help, help EARHOST, JAMES and TIM to help provide better service.

As far as i am concerned, i am not a competetor.

Woohoo .. I love your signature:

Beau Henderson
ICQ: 131637792 MSN: iminteractive@hotmail.com
iminteractive.net - Affordable Virtual Web Hosting Solutions and More.

You screwed Tim??????????


EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW



Originally posted by OKIHost


Maybe a vacation to DYS for a while :laugh:

:sickface: :sickface: :sickface:

Good to see Mr. Sherman is on the ball :)

Originally posted by netacore


Geeee, "EARhost dead....." nice title



I don't feel like wasting my time copying/pasting usernames for you.





Excellent. I will add 'Private Investigator' next to my title.





I don't see how that is possible. Hosting is just like real estate. So if a broker rips off a client, the client will forever live on the street?
Not likely.

I am just tired of host's sticking their nose in the downfall of other companies. If you really want to help, help EARHOST, JAMES and TIM to help provide better service.



Woohoo .. I love your signature:

Beau Henderson
ICQ: 131637792 MSN: iminteractive@hotmail.com
iminteractive.net - Affordable Virtual Web Hosting Solutions and More.

Sorry to see earhost go, again.....:rolleyes:

Originally posted by netacore
Yada yada yada yada blah blah blah...

I stand by what I said.

I tried lending a hand to James once, and was denied.

I might offer a service that seems similar to what James and Timboy offered, but there is no way we could ever in our wildest imagination compete with what they offer.. its impossible. I don't want customers that want everything for nothing, its not our target market.

Originally posted by The Prohacker


So was the info on Timmah's uncle, but look how nice they were to edit my sig without telling me anything... :rolleyes: What's that all about? You should have the right to put whatever you want in your sig, as long as you don't violate any rules. I don't know what it is, but I feel that some of the mods have a biased towards TimPD.

Originally posted by ChickenSteak

Lol, has he ever told you about his site that is supposively being done by pixelbrick? colodedication.com... lol:stickout In an earlier thread, Tim said he talks to the "gain" (not a typo) at pixelbrick all the time...

Pixelbrick? Yeah right! He gets me to do his sites :rolleyes:

lol :D

I noticed that aswell, mods certainly are on timmah's side, maybe its because of his age...

And chicken being a teacher n all :D

Originally posted by netacore
Woohoo .. I love your signature:

Beau Henderson
ICQ: 131637792 MSN: iminteractive@hotmail.com
iminteractive.net - Affordable Virtual Web Hosting Solutions and More.

What does my sig have to do with anything anyways? FYI, I never started the thread, and i have not bashed Earhost in any way. I have stated the obvious, attempted to help a customer in trouble, and as far as I can see I have not done anything to be considered on the "bandwagon". Go pick someone elses nose would ya?

My quote about your signature was in response to your comment:

"As far as i am concerned, i am not a competetor"

Originally posted by Haze


What does my sig have to do with anything anyways? FYI, I never started the thread, and i have not bashed Earhost in any way. I have stated the obvious, attempted to help a customer in trouble, and as far as I can see I have not done anything to be considered on the "bandwagon". Go pick someone elses nose would ya?

Originally posted by edude
lol :D

I noticed that aswell, mods certainly are on timmah's side, maybe its because of his age...

And chicken being a teacher n all :D Probably, but it's so annoying, and aggravating. Everytime there was one small post about him, the mods either closed the thread or deleted it completely... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by netacore
My quote about your signature was in response to your comment:

"As far as i am concerned, i am not a competetor"



Now, now.. lets not cloud the issue with "facts".

Yes, you're right!

The world must know the wrong doings of Timmah!

Originally posted by XLord
Guys! I called him and he answered! I said "Hi, is this James of EARhost" and he hung up on me :(

Not to defend him or anything -- but what do you expect? You called his home phone number. The phone number listed for EARHost is 1-866-EARHOST, and that leads to Timmy's phone, not James'. I'm sure that if James wanted people calling him about EARHost he would list his own phone number. (Though if you are owed money and/or services by James then you are completely justified in calling him)

I just don't think that calling someone's private home phone and getting hung up on is an indication of anything.

Yes, he owes me everything.

Originally posted by edude

lol

I noticed that aswell, mods certainly are on timmah's side, maybe its because of his age...

And chicken being a teacher n all

Originally posted by iamdave
Probably, but it's so annoying, and aggravating. Everytime there was one small post about him, the mods either closed the thread or deleted it completely... :rolleyes:

that's really sad. the best lesson you can learn is honesty, loyalty, trust...

not having someone protect you from a mess you started.

i'd like to have him meet some of my teachers...

lol :D

Don't forget chicken teaches grade 3, or was it grade 4? so hes sorta on the soft side of things.

Tim is like, 16, 17...he's responsible for fraud. He had intent, he knew that this wouldn't last for long, so he was selling something that didn't exist, he guaranteed something that didn't exist. That's a felony. <---law class

So is chicken protecting a criminal?

Does anyone know what action has actually be carried through?
Not what's in the process, but what has really been done.

I saw the EARhost a few months ago when I was looking for hosting, and I can't belive I was so close to signing up...

Originally posted by netacore
I am curious ..

Why is everyone proclaiming 'earhost' as being out of business?

Why is everyone jumping on the bandwagon, especially competitors?

Has anyone actually contacted an Earhost rep. (outside of WHT) to get their side of the story?

Only I proclaimed earhost as being out of buisness. Why? Because my cPanel has been down for over a week and my site is now down. Earhost.com is down.

I dont see anyone jumping on "the bandwagon".

Have I tried contacting? What the hell do you think??
James used to (almost) ALWAYS be on ICQ. I havent seen him on for ~2 weeks. Tim used to be on ICQ and AIM. Whenever i say anythign to him now he says he has to go right away. I've emailed the email addresses assiciated with earhost to no avail.

I am going to try calling his house tommorrow. If that doesnt work I will call the RCMP (I guess they are my best bet?). I will contact 2checkout.com to see if they can do a chargeback kind of thing. If that fails, I'll call up the CitiBank Visa peopel to see if they'll do a chargeback for me.

I wish earhost had done well for James :(

Originally posted by Mester
I am going to try calling his house tommorrow. If that doesnt work I will call the RCMP (I guess they are my best bet?). I will contact 2checkout.com to see if they can do a chargeback kind of thing. If that fails, I'll call up the CitiBank Visa peopel to see if they'll do a chargeback for me.

I wish earhost had done well for James :(

Only your bank / card issuer can issue a chargeback, 2checkout can't do diddly all, but it would be good to ask them what avenues are open for you :)

Mester, to expedite the handling, just call up citibank and tell them you want to raise a dispute, you will get a conditional credit immediately. While the dispute letter is on its way, write to 2checkout to see what they have to say (or maybe they will ignore you), by that time, the dispute letter should have arrived. Just fill it out, and mail it in. You will get the money back.

Peter

Originally posted by ckpeter
Mester, to expedite the handling, just call up citibank and tell them you want to raise a dispute, you will get a conditional credit immediately. While the dispute letter is on its way, write to 2checkout to see what they have to say (or maybe they will ignore you), by that time, the dispute letter should have arrived. Just fill it out, and mail it in. You will get the money back.

Peter

ive also got a citibank visa....disputes are now handled over the phone, authorization is obtained via your pin...but still call to double check ;)

Well, they must be giving you special treatment then; citibank mailed me the letter. I didn't know I could do it over the phone.

Did you have to have some kind of special account to do the whole dispute over the phone?

Peter

Originally posted by ckpeter
Well, they must be giving you special treatment then; citibank mailed me the letter. I didn't know I could do it over the phone.

Did you have to have some kind of special account to do the whole dispute over the phone?

Peter

i dunno....i'm enrolled in one of those reward plans...maybe thats one of the benefits of it?

Well, Time for me to call up citibank and find out. :)

Peter

I called up citibank, and they said no; I have to mail in the letter.

Anyway, I apologize to everyone for getting off-topic.

Peter

2checkout will follow through as your customers are actually 2checkout's customers... Just tell them that you haven't received services and you are at the end of your rope and need them to expedite this.

They will follow through or suspend their 2checkout account.

I sure love me some Timmah drama *gets out the popcorn and beer*

it looks like Tim is not refunding clients what they are owed, we've temporarily locked his hostcharge account until the matter is resolved

also, it appears that he tried to bill certain customers for things they did not buy, please be sure that this didnt happen to you, if it did and you ordered through hostcharge, please contact me and you will be refunded the money that is owed to you.


edit: if earhost is not refunding you your money, and you ordered through the CCPAY order forms, please contact us and we will make sure a proper refund is given!

This get's better and better. I wasn't going to post this, but this will give people an indication of Earhost's and PD's demise. Timmay tried to signup for one of our reseller packages the other week, with James's credit card. Surely a hosting provider like that doesn't need a reseller account from us, unless something is very wrong. Naturally we refused his order :)
Heck he even registered on our forum and he wasn't a client, we had to ban him 3 different times.

-Steven

Originally posted by TrevorM
it looks like Tim is not refunding clients what they are owed, we've temporarily locked his hostcharge account until the matter is resolved

also, it appears that he tried to bill certain customers for things they did not buy, please be sure that this didnt happen to you, if it did and you ordered through hostcharge, please contact me and you will be refunded the money that is owed to you.


BOOM =) Hi Trevor, was waiting for ya =)

Surely a provider doesn't need to be purchasing servers from 10 different companies when they supposedly own their own colocation facilities *cough ************.com cough*

edit: okay well it looks like colokaytionforyou is banned...shoulda figured before i posted.

Originally posted by Samuel
BOOM =) Hi Trevor, was waiting for ya =)

stalking me again?

Originally posted by TrevorM


stalking me again?

Why yes, did you get the flowers? and the "Hush HusH" check

Holy cow. I wasn't even aware of this as I'm hosted by Earhost.com.

My site is still up and running just the main earhost.com and the forum as down so I didn't know anything about it. I already have a back up of my site on my harddrive so getting my files aren't a big deal. Heck I can still access my account through ftp, cpanel, ect.

So the only thing is if I getting my money back. I paid through paypal so anyone have any idea on how to do a chargeback from paying through paypal or do I just request a chargeback through my credit card?

Originally posted by TrevorM
edit: if earhost is not refunding you your money, and you ordered through the CCPAY order forms, please contact us and we will make sure a proper refund is given!
Good show, Trevor and HostCharge.com. :agree:

Thanks everyone for your help and suggestions.

My citibank visa is a sony one, maybe thats the same kind as you, akash ?

I'll call up tommorrow night :)

The shakedown has begun. This will be a good thing, for then bigger hosts will no longer have a need to oversell.

mind21_98: Dont see how you figure that. Bad hosting companies are typically a lot like warez kids. They run their mouths a lot, try to create a load of propoganda about their group(company), they're occasionally obnoxious, and worst of all, they're like a bad game of whack-a-mole, smack one down, 2 more pop up to take its place :D

Originally posted by mind21_98
The shakedown has begun. This will be a good thing, for then bigger hosts will no longer have a need to oversell.

They big hosts see this and they are after the business. They are emphasizing:
They are here to stay and have been around a few years;
Financial strength;
They stand behind their guarantees;
Good technical support;
Quality hosting; and
Price premiums for top notch hosts.

After many failings, people are looking for their 2nd, 3rd, 4th web host. They are learning that cheap may not be so good. After losing files, being locked out of their servers, and not getting refunds, maybe you have to pay a bit more (one a monthly basis) to avoid the hassles again and again.

Originally posted by porcupine
mind21_98: Dont see how you figure that. Bad hosting companies are typically a lot like warez kids. They run their mouths a lot, try to create a load of propoganda about their group(company), they're occasionally obnoxious, and worst of all, they're like a bad game of whack-a-mole, smack one down, 2 more pop up to take its place :D

hehe. :D

Like intellec said, $5 hosts might not be wonderful hosts after all. The low end is just that, the low end.

Originally posted by TrevorM
it looks like Tim is not refunding clients what they are owed, we've temporarily locked his hostcharge account until the matter is resolved

also, it appears that he tried to bill certain customers for things they did not buy, please be sure that this didnt happen to you, if it did and you ordered through hostcharge, please contact me and you will be refunded the money that is owed to you.


edit: if earhost is not refunding you your money, and you ordered through the CCPAY order forms, please contact us and we will make sure a proper refund is given!

Wow that's pretty damning words there, you just basically said he is attempting to commit theft, by any chance have you turned this over to a law enforcement agency of some sort? I mean this sounds like plain criminal activity what you're saying here.

As much as I like the drama this seems to me to have grown beyond the "bounds" of this forum and needs to be investigated by someone with handcuffs and guns. Maybe dogs and helicopters and stuff too! :D

Originally posted by intellec


After many failings, people are looking for their 2nd, 3rd, 4th web host. They are learning that cheap may not be so good. After losing files, being locked out of their servers, and not getting refunds, maybe you have to pay a bit more (one a monthly basis) to avoid the hassles again and again.

I wish they would learn but go read the request forum you will see former EarHost customers looking for hosting at what they had with James and Timmy or less. 5 gig of space and 50 Gig of transfer for $20.00 a month.

I do not think some people will ever learn, and personally I am sick of feeling sorry for the ones that don't.

Originally posted by Mester
Thanks everyone for your help and suggestions.

My citibank visa is a sony one, maybe thats the same kind as you, akash ?

I'll call up tommorrow night :)

Citibank does nice ChargeBacks. They do a credit, then send you a form. You get the form, check a few boxes, add a few words, attach copies of the invoice, the unanswered emails and the CC Bill, then send it back in the nice envelope. That's it!

That is a good question, I also paid with PAYPAL does anyone know if there is a way to do a chargeback with them?

Originally posted by tazd9t9
That is a good question, I also paid with PAYPAL does anyone know if there is a way to do a chargeback with them?

You can if you used your credit card to fund the paypal purchase. Or if there are funds in the Earhost account:rolleyes: (good luck on that one).

Never pay via paypal if it is not someone you can trust 100%. I found that out the hard way myself when I bought a ripped design from a guy here on this forum.

I've been following this thread and perhaps I'm confused. However, how exactly did this kid, whom is obviously not smart, good at sales or support, doesn't know anything, doesn't deal honestly with people and the like, somehow managed to take so many people for their money? By the history of this user on this web board, it seems that he's not shown any change from his first post here to the very last one's.

It was apparent he knew nothing and couldn't deal well with people or business, and his age seemed obvious as well. Even I see many posts long before all this stuff started with the "ripping off" aspect and it seems like a lot of people dealt with him while that was happening as well as after the fact.

How does someone like that manage to take so many people? Nothing was hidden, it seemed obvious (look at his history) and yet it happened anyway? Forgive me if this comes out wrong (no offense at all, really), but how can someone really complain after they dealt with this kid and he didn't live up to the agreement you made with him? How did some of you get into this situation in the first place and what did you expect? Anyway, good luck with dealing with him now and getting your money or service you were promised and should have gotten.

Hi Robert.
EARhost was originally owner by James, he had a few problems but some of us stuck by him, he took Tim on as a partner which none of us were told about. If i had realised sooner i would have demanded a refund before all this happened, I don't trust Tim and never will.

Originally posted by tazd9t9
Hi Robert.
EARhost was originally owner by James, he had a few problems but some of us stuck by him, he took Tim on as a partner which none of us were told about. If i had realised sooner i would have demanded a refund before all this happened, I don't trust Tim and never will.

Thanks for explaining. I missed that aspect of the events. The guy seems like a real creep (and I don't say that about people I've never met or haven't had the displeasure of communicating with at some point), so that's saying a lot. Too bad.

Robert

Tim came on the scene like a brust of lightning he built a pretty good business there for awhile. Somehow he managed to get a deal on cpanel lic and started selling them to other host at discount, he also managed to get people to believe he was 30 years old for a while. Then it started coming to light that he was 16 he stopped paying the Cpanel fees and more than a few host found they had paid but he didn't and their Cpanels no longer worked.

That was under Paradise Designs.

James started EARHost again he come on WHT promoted very well sold cheap got a few clients seemed to be handling it honestly, then he lost his support contract and from what I can tell had no idea how to use a server all he could was sell. So when things went south on support he took a powder on all his customers and did a disappearing act. Came back after a couple of weeks gave his customer to MCHost and then about a month later started Earhost markII with Tim as a partner.

From there is was down hill as they say.
Why people were silly enough to go with them I have no idea except it was cheap and everyone is looking for bargin.

Why people were silly enough to go with them I have no idea except it was cheap and everyone is looking for bargin.

James by all accounts had a good reputation prior to the launch of EARHost. He hadnt purchased a server and start selling two weeks later. He had done his research and had a professional image. He offered CPanel which was a nice break from the regular Plesk/Ensim offered by a majority of Rackshack/Value hosts of the the time. James also secured quite a few $350.00 payments from people, leading me to believe he had the proper funding and a good starting point. Sadly James gave up when he was unable to handle support, only a week or two after launching EARHost.

I stuck with him though, as my site was still up and functioning 100%, and as stated in my request for hosting, I needed no support. Then Tim came into the picture. Almost immediately the CPanel license expired (surprise), and as soon as Id open a support ticket it would be closed (surprise).

But its not all bad. I have contacted the Better Business Bureau in both Newfoundland Canada (for James, http://www.bbbnl.org) and the Better Business Bureau of the Southland (for Tim, http://www.bbbsouthland.org) and have active complaints in both :)

Getting back to the point. Ill make this out to be a small math problem.....

Please, if you have had issues with Tim (Financial), fill out those forms. Everyone on WHT has been talking for ages now about Tim and his fradulant ways, threatening legal action, talking about forming groups, but its time you do something. Take a minute out of your business e-life to fill out those forms with factual objective information. ;)

Does anyone know why the current server I'm on at Earhost.com is still up. For all accounts everything is running fine on my end.

Why would they, all Ear Host employees are banned from the board for possible fraud activites, ask them.... lol

Originally posted by C.P
Does anyone know why the current server I'm on at Earhost.com is still up. For all accounts everything is running fine on my end.

C.P.

Quick suggestion back up your files and start looking for a new home. If reading this thread seeing that their servers are being cut off one by one for non payment and that they are no where to be found for support, and their own site is down is not enough for you, then I have no idea what it will take.

Originally posted by C.P
Does anyone know why the current server I'm on at Earhost.com is still up. For all accounts everything is running fine on my end. Well I hope your not on the same server as me.Because it seems to have bit the dust just a few minutes ago.Time to call the CC and see if I can get any of my money back.

I really wish there was something more we could do to people like this.Seems to many hosts are shutting down and screwing people out of money and are getting away with it.

I contacted PAYPAL, requests for a refund don't work after 30 days on there, but they do put the complaints on record against their account, i suggest everyone who paid them via paypal does the same, to stop him conning more people

I complained to PayPal as well.

I was not aware that you could request a refund. What is the procedure to do this? I believe I still have a few days before the 30-day mark.

I would appreciate any help in getting my money back. I've been wanting a refund since the second week of being hosted. Funny how whenever I ask about the refund, Tim happens to be "busy" on AIM. :(

Well I do know Tim is still reading this forum , cause he conteacted me and was asking questions about thinggs he would only know by reading this forum.

Then he had the nerve to offer me a server to purchase with a cpanel license :eek:

I hope everyone get's there money back and tim is the master of stalling for refunds , he always has a excuse why he can't do it.

I also received that offer

Hey www.earhost.net is working :)

Originally posted by phantasywork
Well I do know Tim is still reading this forum , cause he conteacted me and was asking questions about thinggs he would only know by reading this forum.

Then he had the nerve to offer me a server to purchase with a cpanel license :eek:

I hope everyone get's there money back and tim is the master of stalling for refunds , he always has a excuse why he can't do it. OMG, he has balls, I must say...

You would be wise not to take him on that offer ;)

Originally posted by R. K. Raja
You would be wise not to take him on that offer ;)

I would be the dumbiest person in the world to deal with tim , I got burned by him once , 2nd time will never happen.

Originally posted by diederik
Hey www.earhost.net is working :)
It works, but it's slow as...................zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :rolleyes: :D

Originally posted by Aussie Bob
It works, but it's slow as

Yes, seeing the same from here. But we're only a few hops closer than you I guess Bob. The support-forum link seems broken altogether.

Regards

Gary

earhost.biz works too... slow also, though.

posted by chickensteak... I know he has two for sure, which are under me, for few more days, and longer if he makes payment...in my opinion, anybody who does business with a thief is by definition a thief... my impression of you is that your love for a few paltry dollars allows tim to continue defrauding and scamming people...

...when tim hurts good, decent people, it's because people like you make it possible... and even when you know he hurts good, decent people, you have the ignorance to not only offer him a way to do it, but broadcast your association with utter disregard for your own image ...

Originally posted by the-muse
in my opinion, anybody who does business with a thief is by definition a thief... my impression of you is that your love for a few paltry dollars allows tim to continue defrauding and scamming people...

...when tim hurts good, decent people, it's because people like you make it possible... and even when you know he hurts good, decent people, you have the ignorance to not only offer him a way to do it, but broadcast your association with utter disregard for your own image ... Ummh, he is just trying to run a business, it is not his problem if people on his servers are scammers... I guess if I goto DisneyLand, and I am a scammer, Disneyland shouldn't let me in, because I am a scammer?:eek:

Originally posted by iamdave
Ummh, he is just trying to run a business, it is not his problem if people on his servers are scammers... I guess if I goto DisneyLand, and I am a scammer, Disneyland shouldn't let me in, because I am a scammer?:eek:

More accurately, if you go to disney land and you are a scammer, and disney land lets you in, are they scammers... then anyone else at disney land is also a scammer? Wow, thats gonna be one fast and contagious disease!

from iamdave...Ummh, he is just trying to run a business, it is not his problem if people on his servers are scammers... I guess if I goto DisneyLand, and I am a scammer, Disneyland shouldn't let me in, because I am a scammer?I think the analogy is very weak, imdave... try this one on for size... if someone own's a pharmaceutical company, and he is legally allowed to sell certain products individually, that when combined a certain way will produce illegal street drugs, should he sell those ingredients to his friend, knowing his friend is making illegal street drugs? ... after all, he is just trying to run an business... what his friend does is not his concern, regardless of how many good, decent people are hurt in the process...

...in my opinion, the owner of the pharmaceutical company is as guilty as his friend...

...if chickensteak's ethics are "i know people using my services are deliberately hurting others, but it's not my problem... they can continue to scam and steal and deceive as many people as they want to, as long as i get paid." ... and you agree with that, imdave, then you and i disagree, that's all...
from porcupine...More accurately, if you go to disney land and you are a scammer, and disney land lets you in, are they scammers... then anyone else at disney land is also a scammer? Wow, thats gonna be one fast and contagious disease!to imdave and porcupine ... if you go to disneyland, and you are a pickpocket, and disneyland KNOWS you are a pickpocket but lets you in, then disneyland is as much a pickpocket as the thief they let in... but that's not what happens at disneyland... if you are a pickpocket who enters disneyland posing as a regular customer, but get caught inside disneyland stealing wallets, you go to jail... disneyland does not want your money, and does not want their decent customers hurt...

You may want to rethink some of your comments...
Originally posted by the-muse
I think the analogy is very weak, imdave... try this one on for size... if someone own's a pharmaceutical company, and he is legally allowed to sell certain products individually, that when combined a certain way will produce illegal street drugs, should he sell those ingredients to his friend, knowing his friend is making illegal street drugs? ... after all, he is just trying to run an business... what his friend does is not his concern, regardless of how many good, decent people are hurt in the process...

...in my opinion, the owner of the pharmaceutical company is as guilty as his friend...First of all, I doubt rackeasy and TimPD are friends. Even if they were it is none of RackEasy's business what Tim does with his server. All RackEasy is obligated to do is to provide the server, and if payment is not made, to unplug the server... Unless Tim is using the server illegally (i.e. hosting warez, porn, etc..) RackEasy cannot do anything nor should it. Everyone in any business is in it to make money, not to feel sorry for people who may get hurt. This comment might sound a bit harsh, but it is REALITY. If companies were to feel sorry for everyone, they wouldn't be a successful company.

Your analogy with the pharmaceutical is much worse than Myles's or mine...
Originally posted by the-muse
what his friend does is not his concern, regardless of how many good, decent people are hurt in the process... "Good, decent people will not use illegal street drugs that will affect their mental and/or physical health in any way...

Originally posted by the-muse
to imdave and porcupine ... if you go to disneyland, and you are a pickpocket, and disneyland KNOWS you are a pickpocket but lets you in, then Disneyland is as much a pickpocket as the thief they let in... but that's not what happens at Disneyland... if you are a pickpocket who enters Disneyland posing as a regular customer, but get caught inside Disneyland stealing wallets, you go to jail... Disneyland does not want your money, and does not want their decent customers hurt...Do you think Disneyland cares who enters their park? If you are a paying customer and are not hurting any one at that time, they will gladly let you in. Disneyland would not be considered a thief by allowing a thief to enter their park. If they catch you pick-pocketing they have every right to detain you and contact the proper authorities... However, RackEasy cannot take his server down because people report that Tim is a thief. The only way I would see fit, for RackEasy to take his server down would be if Tim didn't make payment or if authorities came into the situation.

By the way my user handle is iamdave not imdave.

I have to agree with Dave on this one: Just because you were once a theif doesn't mean you will always be a thief. Disneyland probably allow tens of hundreds of *former* criminals enter their parks each day. It is none of their business to decide if those criminal will commit crime in their parks. (they will act if that happens, but they can't predict in advance).

Same here- although everyone who knows Tim would not trust him, as a provider, you really can't make a prediction as to whether Tim will scam people again or not. For all you know (as a provider), maybe Tim has learned his last lession and has decided to do it the right way?

Peter

...no rethinking necessary... my comments are analogies intended to demonstrate a concept, which i feel they do adequately... whether or not you agree with the analogy is not important to me...

...you both missed the point.. but that doesn't surprise me in today's greed propelled america...

...ckpeter... your statement about disneyland "probably allows tens of hundreds [also known as "thousands"] of *former* criminals to enter their parks each day" is ridiculous... a generalization with no merit in fact or logic...

...as i said in my post, we disagree... that's all...

...if every member of wht disagreed with my perception of chickensteak, it will still remain my perception of chickensteak...

Originally posted by the-muse
...
...ckpeter... your statement about disneyland "probably allows tens of hundreds [also known as "thousands"] of *former* criminals to enter their parks each day" is ridiculous... a generalization with no merit in fact or logic...


If you intend to assess the quality of my statement, you better support your claim. Please don't just say "your statement has no merit in fact or logic..."

I want to respond, but since you merely threw out a statement without any support, I have nothing to rebut.

Peter

Come to read your post again, the-muse, I find it very rude.

Peter

Originally posted by the-muse
...no rethinking necessary... my comments are analogies intended to demonstrate a concept, which i feel they do adequately... whether or not you agree with the analogy is not important to me...

...you both missed the point.. but that doesn't surprise me in today's greed propelled america...

...ckpeter... your statement about disneyland "probably allows tens of hundreds [also known as "thousands"] of *former* criminals to enter their parks each day" is ridiculous... a generalization with no merit in fact or logic...

...as i said in my post, we disagree... that's all...

...if every member of wht disagreed with my perception of chickensteak, it will still remain my perception of chickensteak... Rethinking is neccessary, I believe.
Actually, I very well understoof your point, but I disagree with it. Yes, we do live in a greedy world. Greed is what fuels most everyone... Any business who is not in it for the money, is losing money, so greed is neccessary...

What facts or statistics do you have to back your claim that thousands of former felons haven't entered Disneyland?

Originally posted by iamdave
Greed is what fuels most everyone... Any business who is not in it for the money, is losing money, so greed is neccessary...
If greed is your real motivation, then you're in real strife. Greed is not neccessary to build a successful business. Most of us are driven out of the desire to create something special. Money is secondary. :)

Originally posted by Aussie Bob

If greed is your real motivation, then you're in real strife. Greed is not neccessary to build a successful business. Most of us are driven out of the desire to create something special. Money is secondary. :) But to have success your business must make a profit, and if you are not in it to make a profit, what's the sense of running a business? Maybe greed was the wrong word to explain what I meant...

greed Pronunciation Key (grd)
n.
An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs or deserves, especially with respect to material wealth: “Many... attach to competition the stigma of selfish greed” (Henry Fawcett).

Interesting as it is one of the deadly sins that you would have trouble using it in context, or are incorrectly using it in context.

It is one of the oldest concepts to understand.

Originally posted by Samuel
greed Pronunciation Key (grd)
n.
An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs or deserves, especially with respect to material wealth: “Many... attach to competition the stigma of selfish greed” (Henry Fawcett).

Interesting as it is one of the deadly sins that you would have trouble using it in context, or are incorrectly using it in context.

It is one of the oldest concepts to understand. Excuse me! I apologize, that I used the incorrect term to satisfy your needs.

My needs? hrmm, maybe yours?

It would be nice if you weren't greedy, but that is a personal choice.

Earhost is all about that, greed, they want more than they need, by stealing.

Originally posted by Samuel
My needs? hrmm, maybe yours?

It would be nice if you weren't greedy, but that is a personal choice.

Earhost is all about that, greed, they want more than they need, by stealing. I'm not greedy, and I didn't mean it the way it sounded. I meant to say that businesses need some sort of "greed" so that they can make a profit and keep their business successful and profitable...

Better alternatives may be "capitalistic" or "entrepreneurial"

Peter

Originally posted by ckpeter
Better alternatives may be "capitalistic" or "entrepreneurial"

Peter Thanks, Samuel, you happy now?

Not sure what you are referring to my happiness.

What are you trying to say, are you trying to say you have learned what greed is?, or not?

Stating that there must be some sort of "Greed" a business must do is anti business, if mistaken, what word would "you" use?

Originally posted by iamdave
Thanks, Samuel, you happy now?
Pretty much. :D I understand what you were trying to say in the general context of this discussion. Profits are important. Without such, your business falls in a heap real fast. If your business is 100% debt free, growing, profitable with a positive cashflow, life is sweet indeed. :D:agree:

Originally posted by Samuel
what word would "you" use? Hmmh, did you not see what ckpeter wrote? And that I quoted him?

=) Of course I did, that is why I responded with what word would "You" use?

Originally posted by Samuel
=) Of course I did, that is why I responded with what word would "You" use? Maybe you can't take a hint?

Maybe you can't?

Possibly...

*cough* :D

:)

:nuts: