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colocation on dual T1 from 130$ USD (200$ CAD)

unlimited web hosting for 50$CAD per month (Thats 25$ USD per month !)

http://www.unbindweb.com

Where in Canada are you located?

"colocation on dual T1 "
My cable modem is faster then that
You can not host sites on that stuff

We are located in Quebec Canada,


Dual T1 is in this case 2 diffrent T1.


Your cable modem is not faster than a complete full duplex dedicated T1 from UUNET.

If one is down, the other will take over. Thats
dual T1.
Thank you for your time.

A T1 can handle 1.54 Mbps or 190 kb/s
I believe my cable modem is faster then that, I can easily do 400 kb/s.

Actuly your cable modem can do 500 kilobit/s
or maybe can reach 128kilobyte on a shared
pocket.

A full duplex 512kilobyte/s is much much more faster (around 5x time faster) and its dedicated, if
you donwload 1 file it will do 512kbps and if you
download 100 file they will do 512kbps.

and 512kbps (kilobytes) is half the speed of a T1.

Ever wonder why cable is $40 /month
and T1 are 1600$/month ? (CAD that is.)

Thank you for your time.

Maxime Labelle

"and 512kbps (kilobytes) is half the speed of a T1."

Actually the speed of a T1 is 1540 kbps which means 512 is about a third of a T1.

"Actuly your cable modem can do 500 kilobit/s "

No, my cable modem can do 6000 kilobits/s while downloading from my ISPs newsgroup server.

"and T1 are 1600$/month ? (CAD that is.) "

Thats exactly why I host my servers in data centers that pay less then $1000 USD for 1.5 Mbps.

If a cable at 1/2 a T1 is $40/mo., why are you being so foolish to pay $1600/mo. for a T1. Also, why, for $1600/mo. are you offering people to use all of it (no limit on transfers) for $130/mo. Let alone, shared hosting for $25. A $25 or $130/mo account taking up $1,600/mo. worth of lines?

[Edited by energy on 03-18-2001 at 09:17 PM]

For colocation, it does not matter if im connected
to a T1, a T3 or an oc2, what does it matter? The
service I provide offers a dedicated 512kbps IO on
the RJ45, whats the point of having a 10gbps DLM ?

My T1 is connected to a oc2 witch is connected to
a oc12 witch is connected via satellite to the
the whole world via UUNET. Does that makes my
network the biggest one ? No, so why would I lie
to my clients saying "we are connecting your server
on a 100mbps line" when all you are getting is
512kbps anyways ? If we need a 45mbps IO we will
upgrades to T3. Simple.

Why a T1 ? Dedicated bandwidth. A shared Cable modem
could never handle 5000 user downloading a 50 mb file.

So what do you want, a 10mbps shared connection or
a 512kbps dedicated full duplex line ? Depends
on what you need. If you want 2 or 3 people to access
your file per day. I sugest the shared 10mbps. If
you have a business with more than 300 hits a day
and that business his hosting 50 other business, you
might want dedicated full duplex 512kbps leased T1 line.

Thank you for your time.

Maxime Labelle

"A shared Cable modem could never handle 5000 user downloading a 50 mb file. "

Neither could a T1. The download speed of each user would be 0.03 kb/s.

"The service I provide offers a dedicated 512kbps"

So what, you can sell only 3 co located servers?
You also said in your first post "No monthly transfer limit", 512 kbs is 162 GB maximum if you use it 100% all the time, very unlikely.

"My T1 is connected to a oc2 witch is connected to
a oc12 witch is connected via satellite to the
the whole world via UUNET"

Thats bad, satellites have a high lag. You also do not see satellites at oc 12 speeds (622 Mbps) often.

"No, so why would I lie to my clients saying "we are connecting your server on a 100mbps line""

Why would you lie to your clients and say unlimited transfer? I don't know.

"So what do you want, a 10mbps shared connection or
a 512kbps dedicated full duplex line ? "

I would go for the 10mbps shared, because these 512kbps are dedicated only between you and the uunet building.

"If you have a business with more than 300 hits a day
and that business his hosting 50 other business, you
might want dedicated full duplex 512kbps leased T1 line."

I'll probably want a fully burstable 100 Mbps line.
A T1 is just too slow.

Originally posted by unbind
and 512kbps (kilobytes) is half the speed of a T1.


I feel very uneasy with people doing this business yet still get the numbers wrong :(

Note 1: kbps is kilobits per second! not kilobytes per second!
Note 2: T1 is 1536 kbps (kilobits per second)!

cheers,
:beer:

Originally posted by unbind
For colocation, it does not matter if im connected
to a T1, a T3 or an oc2, what does it matter? The
service I provide offers a dedicated 512kbps IO on
the RJ45, whats the point of having a 10gbps DLM ?


So you can provide burstable bandwidth. We have OC192 connectivity. Do we use it? No, of course not, but the bandwidth is always available if our clients need it.

Originally posted by unbind
My T1 is connected to a oc2

Liar. There's no such thing as an OC2.

Originally posted by cperciva
Liar. There's no such thing as an OC2.

He..he.. good eyes.. I did not even catch that :D

cheers,
:beer:

Yes, thats odd. oc3 would be the term.

Our colocation and dedicated server clients are
on a T1.

Our web sites are on an oc3 (155mbps).

Originally posted by unbind
For colocation, it does not matter if im connected
to a T1, a T3 or an oc2, what does it matter? The
service I provide offers a dedicated 512kbps IO on
the RJ45, whats the point of having a 10gbps DLM ?

My T1 is connected to a oc2 witch is connected to
a oc12 witch is connected via satellite to the
the whole world via UUNET. Does that makes my
network the biggest one ? No, so why would I lie
to my clients saying "we are connecting your server
on a 100mbps line" when all you are getting is
512kbps anyways ? If we need a 45mbps IO we will
upgrades to T3. Simple.

Why a T1 ? Dedicated bandwidth. A shared Cable modem
could never handle 5000 user downloading a 50 mb file.

So what do you want, a 10mbps shared connection or
a 512kbps dedicated full duplex line ? Depends
on what you need. If you want 2 or 3 people to access
your file per day. I sugest the shared 10mbps. If
you have a business with more than 300 hits a day
and that business his hosting 50 other business, you
might want dedicated full duplex 512kbps leased T1 line.

Thank you for your time.

Maxime Labelle

My 56K modem is connected to my ISP's upstream, which is several T3's, which are connected to an even larger pipe, which is connected to the Internet's main backbone. Pretty impressive, isn't it? Now, tell me, WHY can't I do collocation on my 56K modem? Well, because that's the limit on speed anyone's going to get and it limits the transfer possible, as does your T1. It doesn't matter what your T1 is hooked up to beyond the point of being a T1. Further, if you're paying $1600/mo for each T1 (Pretty expensive for a T1!), then why are you selling what you claim to be 1/2 of the T1 line, for $130/mo?

So, for $260/mo, there goes all of one of your T1's. And for $520/mo. you have no pipe left. What you're saying, doesn't make sense. At least, if you offer unlimited transfers, have a line that can provide it, at least because you'll have extra bandwidth you've already paid for and not collocate anymore systems than the lines could handle without costing you more. Of course, that's not the case, since you only have two T1's. Of course, it's not possible anyway, but that's about as sad as it can get.

As I said before, we host our colocation clients
on a T1, our dedicated clients on another T1 and
our web hosting clients on an oc3 at 155mbps.

All of this bandwith is usable. So if a colocation
client needs more speed, we can provide it.

And people, please, if we say " unlimited bandwith "
it does not mean that you can do more than what
the connection can actuly do. Its just a 'not limited
to 10gb per month ' case.

Its sad to see people flaming about 'unlimited bandwith
is impossible' ...WE KNOW

Its just logical, like 'no disk quota' does not mean
you can use 500000 TGB .... It means if you need
more we will give you more and not nag about it or
charge you extra $$$ for it.

Hm... I can see how this thread is going to be hot :) Need to call Duster here.... :D

cheers,
:beer:

Originally posted by unbind
As I said before, we host our colocation clients
on a T1, our dedicated clients on another T1 and
our web hosting clients on an oc3 at 155mbps.

All of this bandwith is usable. So if a colocation
client needs more speed, we can provide it.

How? You can't provide it down your T1, a T1 can deliver a maximum of around 488Gb of data per month. I would think most people who use Colocation would use about 25-50Gb each so you could host between 10 and 19 servers and they would all be incredibly slow anyway as at peak times they would be trying to deliver more content then a T1 can handle.

Now obviously you are after web hosts and the like else you wouldn't be here, now most other people are buying server that come with 100Gb of monthly transfer you could only safely offer that to 5 people as most hosts who purchase servers with 100Gb will use all of that and more, so you can take that down to 4 people. You really need to re-think your plans.

Yeah your right. Thats why we have the oc3.

That way if we need more bandwith we can have it
without peeking like you said.

We are getting rid of the T1's because it is not
fast nuff. Yet with the clients we have it works
great.

95% of my clients use 5 to 10 gb per months
in colocation and 15 to 20 gb on dedicated
servers. I think that client who needs
more than 20gb per months are going
to know about it and we can work something
out. Now you have to understand.

If you need 500gb per months, its more likley
to cost you more.