Anybody here have any experience with colo.com facilities ?, I found datacentersnow.com as well, but they don't have a facility in the Orlando area, anybody know any others like them ?

Switch and Data
Sunguard

I am in talks with Cogent Communications, there is a site out there that has all of the neutral fiber facilities in the US, I can get it to you.

Please, if you can get me that site I would appreciate :)

If you dont mind me asking:

What are you looking for?

In regards to the neutral fiber facilities, do you know how they work.

In case you dont.
Example; Not try to promote them.

Colo.com has I think 5-7 carriers.
Colo.com is carrier Neutral.

So those 5-7 carriers battle for your business.

Capitalism at its finest.
or Free Enterprise, which ever.

For instance For us, we are looking at primary connection being cogent, and redundancy being yipes. But its different in Flordia.

Ill get that site tommorow

I am looking for a location in Orlando, that is "NOC" ready, where I can lease my own lines and use them there, I tough that's how colo worked, do you HAVE to use their carriers ? (humm, 7 carriers basically is almost every carrier I know)

Well there are actually alot of carriers.

I mean theres the bigs one.

Example, Not try to promote these Companies:

For instance in chicago: Switch and Data has these current carriers:

Connectivity:
Lit Carriers:

Ameritech
AT&T local
Cable&Wireless
Level (3)
MCI Worldcom/MFS
Nextlink
XO

Actually theres a ton of new carriers, Yipes, Cogent, and other up and comming ones.

From our current Colo.com talks, you lease a rack or a cage in the facility. You bring in your equipment, and you lease connectivity from one of the carriers in that facility.

It makes sense though. I mean all the players are there, and costs are cheaper then if you would have them wire fiber into an office.

You do have to get there lines though.

The sweet deal would be if I could lease office space in their structure as well .. that is what I am shooting for

Leasing their lines, well, example, I saw some outsanding deals on Level 3 .. if level 3 is one of the carriers to their facility, I should be able to get that deal

but having 7 carriers .. weel, that is nice, you can get at least 2 lines and be able to have redundancy .. Also, the time to have a new lince shouldn't be faster, than if you where building your own NOC .. no ?

The sweetest deal on the current market is:
Not trying to promote this company.
http://www.cogentco.com

Thats the best deal on the market. I mean thats why we are using colo.com, and probably switchanddata.com

In regards to office space that one I'm not sure about.

Those facilities are great though.

Biometric handscans, swipe cards, and this is just to get into the datacenter.

We went into Colo.com and it was super cool.
Its about 1k for a rack a month. Then Connectivity Costs, and thats about it.

Joe

Crego,

Try a search on yahoo for "100 W Lucerne Circle".

Then contact any of the providers you find for more info on the "aka telco hotel" in Orlando.

Most providers here in Orlando have peering setup, modem banks, racks etc... at that location. I think that is what you were looking for.

chow 4 now.

Carlos,

Equinix.com is also a netural carrier which you might look into. There rates are roughly teh same as colo.com

There are actually many of these carrier neutral facilities.

My first move in choosing one, would be to figure out your backbone providers.

Based in chicago, we figured out the carrier neutral facilities that both of our backbone providers are in, or are going to be in.

It helps get through all of this.

Basically its about 1k per rack. Some other fees may apply.

Joe

Yes, 1K per rack was what I've heard about colo (plus bandwidth) and some other charges, I will be looking for square foot pricing .. hopefully colo will give me a call tomorrow

equinix, and these others I was not aware of, so thanks for the tips guys :)

The cage we got quotes was $27k per month plus connectivity.

You can shove about 30-35 racks in there.

It ends up being about 1k per rack.

I have talked to Sandy from Colo.com and the rep for Orlando is Bo White, I left several msg's for him on his cell phone (What I was given) and haven't heard anything from him yet also...

It looks like a pretty good facility and plenty of pipes going into it..

I will keep you posted on what I find out.

Also, do you have any URL for that telco hotel?

I will get you guys the URL tommorow for all of the neutral fiber facilities.

Joe

Joe,

thanks a lot..

Its hard to find these places on the net, go figure..

:-)

No Problem.

Have you been in these types of facilities yet.

Joe

No, I was about to goto the colo facility in Downtown orlando, but was waiting on the rep to call back with the numbers.

Just this last friday I visited a new UUNET center, you can do the same thing there.....and for less that what I am seeing at Colo mentioned here. UUNET has a number of other carriers coming into their building as well that you can choose from, you dont have to use Worldcom.

And Level3 and Colo (same set of buildings) is only about a mile from it. With UUNET, there is more room for expansion since they are 119,000 sq feet versus Colo's 27,000. Going aroun to the backs of the building, I see UUNET has much more rundandency as far as power, water, and cooling. Their fibers go out via two totally separate routes to the hub. The only way I could see them going down is if a 747 crashed right on top of their building. It's just a huge square building with no windows, surrounded by an eletric fence (looks electric anyway, I wasnt going to touch it), and camera's all around, and no signs to tell you who they are. Come to think of it, looks like a secret installation by the NSA would use...LOL

There very cool.

Ill let you expierence it for yourself.

Joe

Im glad you UUNET hired you.

UUNET is alot different the a carrier neutral facility like colo.com; switch and data, and all the others.

What if I dont want to be on UUNET's backbone, can I choose XO communications in that UUNET facility?

I can see OLM has a big part with you. Do you work for them also.


Before you talk up a company like UUNET why dont you understand the initial post.

This conversation was all good in regards to carrier neutral facilities, and then someone had to ruin it.

If you dont know what carrier neutral is; look into the matter.

I want to put my servers in a place with 7 fiber companies to choose from, not one.

Hmm, getting kinda defensive arent you? Especially when your the one doing all the promoting. Exactly what is different between UUNET and Colo? Being nuetral? I dont know thats worth paying twice the price for. Considering that UUNET carries 60% of the internet, and it's support and reliability is unrivaled....I guess you are right, it is different from the others. Talking about major players, which would those be? I know they dont include the likes of Disney, AOL, and others because they use UUNET.

I will go down monday and tour both LEVEL3 and Colo. And I will come back saying which is better based off what I see. You see, you missed the point, UUNET has other carriers coming into their building, just like Colo, what part of that do you not understand??

And...perhaps you should re-read the posts. Carlos was asking about Colo.com and another one, not looking for nuetral in general. You are the one who brought in the nuetral part of it, not him. Get your head out...

Maybe you dont understand these words:

Neutral Facility:

UUNEt is not a neutral facility. To be honest neither is Level 3.

Actually you can love all of these.

I base my descion for my company on the carriers in those facility. Most of the facilities are the same.

I need two backbone providers, and it so happens that colo.com will have them both, and so will switch and data.

UUNET can be the greatest place in the world, but to be honest it doesnt matter, because there is more involved then just the facility.

Joe

Maybe you should re read. He was asking for colo.com or other facilities like that.

That means Carrier Neutral.

Since your head is already up your a**, maybe you should get it out.

Joe

Ok, whatever. I will let you earn your paycheck from colo, since that is how it sounds....especially since you accuse me of such simply because I mention another. He didnt say neutral in general, and I doubt Carlos could even care about that as long as there is good support and reliability....and the price is right. He was simply wondering what all was out there.

If UUNET was not neutral, they wouldnt allow other carriers into their building. Some are cheaper to use than Worldcom. Colo isnt anymore neutral than UUNET.

If UUNET had my backbone provider I would consider them more.

In regards to how there more neutral.

None of the Neutral facilities own any fiber, or happen to power at least 50% of the internet.

You have to give me that.

Example:

Switch and Data owns 0% of a backbone, this makes them neutral. In chicago this is there providers:

Lit Carriers:

Ameritech
AT&T local
Cable&Wireless
Level (3)
MCI Worldcom/MFS
Nextlink
XO

Do you see switch and data on that list.
That makes them neutral.

Joe

Ok. I give ya that. I think we just got off on the wrong foot. I did take your advice to Carlos to check out Cogent. I saw that 100mbps pipe for only $1,000 per month, and I am definitly looking at it now..LOL

Actually not to promote Cogent, but for hosting companies its 3k a month for 100mbps.

And 20k for a gb line.
Cogent has some other problems though, its a good deal, but there is alot involved. They need to work on a few things.

Just so you know.

Thats the only really why I have to use those 2 facilities.

Other wise I really could care less.

But it is kinda cool that the datacenter has no interest into connectivity.

Actually, both of you guys are right on my initial question

I would rather have a "neutral facility" .. BUT if I was to find the right deal, and good redundancy on a UUNET facility, I would surely consider it as well

my only ptoblem with a facility belonging to UUNET is .. well, .. it's UUNET.. pricey, and .. can I bring a Level 3 line In if I want to ? well, If I can,. then .. fine by me ;)

Neither the less, the "neutral carrier" would be my number one choice... hell, a GOOD DEAL / Reliability is my number one choice .. hehe

27K for a cage .. that is overly expensive .. but I will wait for the rep to call me, otherwise .. it's briks and cement plus a BIG loan and lets build a facility ;-)

Thats for space for 30-35 racks. Its a huge cage.

They have alot smaller ones then that.

Joe

I dont know, that may not be a bad price. He said theirs holds 30-35 racks. At UUNET, a cage 9x36 (15 racks) is $20,000 per month.

First of all that was a quote.

I know we plan to get big and all.

But 30-35 racks is pretty big in my book. Since we mostly use 1 and 2U servers. Thats like 600-1300 machines. Thats pretty big.

But that was the current cage that was available.

We are looking at about 5 racks, maybe a small cage. For the neutral sites.

You will pay about 1k per rack. So if A cage holds 10 racks, youll pay about 10k.

Joe

Here you go:

http://www.fiberloop.com

Im not sure if its totally up to date, with Numbers and etc. but its a good place to start.

Joe

I spoke with a sales rep, we are still talking, she asked me 70.00 a Sq ft x 500sq ft = 35K a month

I told her to go back and redo her math (sorry, for 35K for the rent, I can build me my own building) .. anyway, we are now moving into plan B, having the Rack's on the floor, and an office in a different part of the building, still awaiting for her reply on that one :)

SO .. we'll see, now I'm off to check fiberloops :)

Is that in Florida? Go figure... :)

Yeah, it's in Florida :)

Still looking ;) ... I hear TX has nice one .. but the wife .. uff, she will divorce me if I move there :D

I know a good divorce attorney....several in fact...

Originally posted by CRego3D

my only ptoblem with a facility belonging to UUNET is .. well, .. it's UUNET.. pricey, and .. can I bring a Level 3 line In if I want to ? well, If I can,. then .. fine by me ;)


Carlos,

We are colocated in a UUNET Data Center, and the answer is yes, you can bring in service from other providers...BUT, you have to be getting at least the same tier of service from UUNET. So, if you have a 10 meg connection from UUNET you can bring in a 10 meg or less connection from another provider (of course, they actually have no way of knowing what speed line you are brining in :)).

Hope this helps.

Originally posted by Webdude
I know a good divorce attorney....several in fact...
Hey, I know a couple too, I used them when I divorced my first wife ;)

Carlos,

this might be too late :D but I am just wondering what happen to the deal with colo.com! did they give you an office?? what was their price for "plan B"

jman

We didn't got to do business with colo.com, for the kind of structure that we needed, it wouls have costed me aboyt 35K - 50K a month (before the bandwidth), good think also becuase they just filed for chapter 11

http://www.colo.com/news/chapter11.htm

Instead we went aead and in a amazing deal with another company we are in the process of moving into our own DataCenter

here is a pic ;)

http://www.3dwizards.com/computer/noc/ononc11.jpg

cheers