Anyone know how one can connect to the Kazaa network if the college has blocked access to it? Im using Kazaa lite and was hopping that may help, but it does not. My campus has also blocked access to irc, but it appears when only using the mIRC client, because I was able to connect using Klient. Any suggestions? Thanks.

Get a better college :rolleyes:

For what you pay for college, they are being asses. At least do you get good download speeds? Subscribe to a $10 newsfeed service and get tonns of mp3s.

Well... you could find a linux client that will run from the shell somehow, get a shell account with mucho bandwidth on a remote server, and relay your files through that gateway.

You could also hack into the local routers and change their routing policies... though this might mean expultion from college, not a pretty price to pay for a few CDs.

James

:D

Or...

Another possibility.

Most colleges have students in their tech department manage the network and stuff. Face it -- college students are some of the best hackers, which would make them ideal to secure a network... so try getting a job at the admin's office, and when administering and securing things, just nonchalantley go into the router and give yourself access to Kaaza. Just don't advertise the fact too much or you might find yourself out of a job very very fast (and out of college again? :P)

I'm sorry if my posts turn you into a malicious hacker and cause you to be expelled from college. I just can't help to give my opinions. LOL!

James

I know how you feel, they blocked 6667 :mad:

i have a q for you guys:

do they monitor the material u look at?

i mean if i was looking into hacking at college on my internet pc would they know of the sites visited/?

thx

Originally posted by knoxville
i have a q for you guys:

do they monitor the material u look at?

i mean if i was looking into hacking at college on my internet pc would they know of the sites visited/?

thx

The answer is yes... If they wanted to.

It's entirely possible to see every bit of network traffic that goes to and leaves from your computer but, the question is do they want to...

Quite frankly it's usually a pain in the butt to sift through packet captures but, if they really want to yes, they can...

If your using a Win box w/ NetBIOS enabled (which you never ever should anyway) they can tell when you turn your computer on and off by watching when NetBIOS is broadcasting or not.

Essentially if your paraniod about your computer pay someone to put the computer in a safe and go bury it in a random place, then kill that person. But, even then, I wouldn't think that computer would be entirely secure either :D...

Originally posted by knoxville
i have a q for you guys:

do they monitor the material u look at?

i mean if i was looking into hacking at college on my internet pc would they know of the sites visited/?

thx

There is no porn filters or anything, but they do have software to check your machine :stickout

boy o boy what we have here lol...

what if u format it all though/?

Ok,
I found out I need something like http://www.htthost.com/httport_3_quick_overview.htm but that only routes Socks4 and Kazaa is Socks5. Does anyone know of another program that will do it?

Actually... there are some very simple tools availible to monitor what HTTP traffic goes over a network. I have one that monitors my Linksys router, records the URL to a database, and then, if I wanted to, I could search the database at any time for key words.

You could still get a secure shell into a remote server and browse that way.

James

flitcher and darth you guys goto same college or both just have similar colleges?

Similar :stickout

Originally posted by timechange
For what you pay for college, they are being asses. At least do you get good download speeds? Subscribe to a $10 newsfeed service and get tonns of mp3s.

Being asses? Ok... so it's ok for people to download countless amounts of mp3's and movies and other crap, meanwhile I just paid $3000 and can't even research on the net cause it's to bogged down!?

I am sorry that I may come across like a tight ass (I like Kazaa too!), but school is for learning... PERIOD.

Learning - school? No way!!!! College is for getting laid and getting drunk.

lol :D

Originally posted by inogenius
Learning - school? No way!!!! College is for getting laid and getting drunk.

haha i go there next year and i hope they dont have kazaa blocked

I actually start tomorrow, actually i should say today since its 2.20 am :D

zRedDice:

Do you know if this program will work on a Cisco PIX?

Or, anyone know one that will?

nm

Originally posted by knoxville
what if u format it all though/?

Well, if it's your machine then they don't have the right to access it without your permission.

However, if you're like the University I attend, you have to go through their proxy server for http/https traffic so they can quite easily go through their logs.

The fact is, they most likely wouldn't bother. It would be very time consuming and they would probably only monitor your port/IP if they suspected that you were doing something wrong in the first place.

Think about it - if your University/college is anything like mine - it has a few thousand PCs in the labs + those in the residences + dialins. It would be an absolute nightmare to monitor everyone.

I don't personally live there - so I couldn't speak as to what is blocked in the residences. However, in the labs they block most things except for http/https unless it's required for education purposes.

Whatever they're doing to the network - they're doing it right. I've gotten downloads of up to 3mbyte/s from workstations in the labs :D... I'm thinking of buying a zip drive so I can download larger files there and not have to wait for my modem to download.

--Shaun

flitcher and darth you guys goto same college or both just have similar colleges?

Both of them need to change their colleges

Your colleges dont have dinky little linksys networking equipment. They have higher level equipment that offers packet inspection and shapping (packeteer comes to mind). Port doesnt matter. They know what is taking up what bandwidth just by looking at a few charts. The college pays for big pipes for people to do research and get smart. It is not intended for you to grow your MP3 collection. If you piss off the wrong network admin, you might find your connection QoS'd down to 1k/s no matter what service you are using.

Originally posted by Acronym BOY
Port doesnt matter.

If you're referring to my use of port - I should have explained myself.

I am referring to the physical port on the switch, not the software port.

I've seen their equipment. Many racks with nice Cisco routers and switches. Three datacenters at different locations.

But yes, they do get nice graphs showing how much bandwidth each computer has used. They can also go deeper and determine what username (and thus student or staff member) has used that bandwidth.

--Shaun

Originally posted by Mekhu
I am sorry that I may come across like a tight ass (I like Kazaa too!), but school is for learning... PERIOD.

There'd be no fraternity groups if that was the case.

Have you guys tried using like WinMX, or Blubster though? I think Blubster uses Port 80 so I don't think they can block that.

Physical port or TCP port doesnt matter. You can change those and juggle them around all they want, they can still block P2P, throttle your FTP, and give more bandwidth to other things. A lot will use things like this:

http://packeteer.com/PDF_files/packetshaper/psFeatures.pdf

My friends college lets him get 10k with any P2P, yet can surf the web in excess of 5000k. QoS is a powerful thing, there is a lot that can be done with it.

Me? I prefer my home connection, 10 megabits down for $39 a month. :D

Originally posted by mind21_98
There'd be no fraternity groups if that was the case.

Do the frats stop others from studying and hinder thier learning? No.

Do people who hog the internet stop others from using it at a decent rate and hinder their learning? Yes.

Originally posted by Acronym BOY
Do people who hog the internet stop others from using it at a decent rate and hinder their learning? Yes.

If the Internet was truely for learning only, I guess no WHT, no AIM, no IRC. Only fair right? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Acronym BOY
Physical port or TCP port doesnt matter. You can change those and juggle them around all they want, they can still block P2P, throttle your FTP, and give more bandwidth to other things.

It would be a bit hard to change the physical port unless you have direct access to their wiring closet where the outlet in your room is connected to the infrastructure equipment.


A lot will use things like this:

http://packeteer.com/PDF_files/packetshaper/psFeatures.pdf

My friends college lets him get 10k with any P2P, yet can surf the web in excess of 5000k. QoS is a powerful thing, there is a lot that can be done with it.

This also depends on the outgoing bandwidth of the person you're downloading from. Most webservers and in turn datacenters will probably have more outgoing bandwidth than somebody on a cable connection who can (for example) only send at 128kbit, etc.

But yes, QoS is a powerful thing. I've had experience with it before when working on my high school's network. We'd give things like POP3, SSH, etc. higher priority than http traffic.

Me? I prefer my home connection, 10 megabits down for $39 a month. :D

Sounds nice... Unfortunately I can't get cable where I am. I hope to get ADSL within about a month though - AU$79.95 for 512/128 with 3gb downloads (after that it switches to 56/56 until the start of the next month but no volume charges) which is the cheapest I'm going to find here.

--Shaun

Originally posted by mind21_98
If the Internet was truely for learning only, I guess no WHT, no AIM, no IRC. Only fair right? :rolleyes:

When did I ever say it was only for learning? :rolleyes:

Never. Pay attention before you open your mouth next time. :angry:

I said that it hinders those who wish to use the net for educational purposes. No where did I ever say it was for learning only. I said it was intended for learning. I said that bandwidth hogging uses, such as P2P will use the bandwidth fast, hindering those who want to use it for its intended purpose.

And what is the fastest way to cut back on unintended use of resources? Packetshapping and QoS aggressively pointed at P2P programs. AIM, IRC, and web access have never used as much bandwidth at a college as P2P has. Although you can bet if AIM all of a sudden did eat away at 700kb/s the second you loaded it, the net admins with actively target that as well.

Read a little next time, you might learn something. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by shaunewing
It would be a bit hard to change the physical port unless you have direct access to their wiring closet where the outlet in your room is connected to the infrastructure equipment.

I have known people to try to gtet access to a differnt jack to try to get their P2P working. Some guy ran 100ft down teh hall to teh computer lab in hopes it would work there. :D

Originally posted by Acronym BOY


I have known people to try to gtet access to a differnt jack to try to get their P2P working. Some guy ran 100ft down teh hall to teh computer lab in hopes it would work there. :D

Rofl, that's quite amusing. I concede that some people will go to extreme lengths to move to a different port - but it can be a bit difficult :D

--Shaun.

Originally posted by Acronym BOY
[B]
And what is the fastest way to cut back on unintended use of resources? Packetshapping and QoS aggressively pointed at P2P programs. AIM, IRC, and web access have never used as much bandwidth at a college as P2P has. Although you can bet if AIM all of a sudden did eat away at 700kb/s the second you loaded it, the net admins with actively target that as well.


Yep. Educational institutions don't pay huge sums of money for large pipes so that they can be eaten away by people using it for P2P (which may also have legal implications for the institution?). They pay for those large pipes so that the bandwidth is there for when people need it for education/research purposes.

I remember in high school (which only had a 128kbit ISDN line) how annoyed I would get when lunch started and the link would be saturated by people looking at those "amihotornot" sites and other stupid sites causing web browsing to be painfully slow for those who had a genuine need.

Because we gave certain ports a higher priority, I setup proxy server on my home computer on a high priority port (with access given only to my school IP) and would bounce off that for when I needed to access education sites at a decent speed. Others would be amazed at how fast I could browse, but it was kept a well guarded secret :D

--Shaun

you ever think they block it for good reasons? live with it

Originally posted by zRedDice
Actually... there are some very simple tools availible to monitor what HTTP traffic goes over a network. I have one that monitors my Linksys router, records the URL to a database, and then, if I wanted to, I could search the database at any time for key words.

You could still get a secure shell into a remote server and browse that way.

James What program is this, if we may no.

Kazaa, isn't that full of spyware? I would never put it in my computer, and defenatly not let people use it on my network. Filesharing is fine, but pirated mp3 and movies, isn't, at least not at work or at collage or university. What you do at home is your own concern, your ISP might cut you off for doing the wrong thing if they catch you. The collage must have a policy about what is allowed and what isn't. Accept it, or don't go to collage.

Damn the college has a T1 connection and i only have a 10 mb account :bawling:

do it the illegal way son....the illegal way...;) :stickout

Originally posted by Darth
Damn the college has a T1 connection and i only have a 10 mb account :bawling:

My campus has a 38mbit connection to their main datacenter which is on an OC3 (155mbit) to the Internet. Very nice browsing on their connection.

It is always so hard leaving their computer labs and going home to my crappy dialup at the end of the day.

--Shaun

shaunewing, just out of curiosity are you going to Clemson? I have a friend whos campus network is identical to yours.

Originally posted by flitcher
shaunewing, just out of curiosity are you going to Clemson? I have a friend whos campus network is identical to yours.

Nope. I go to a University here in Sydney, Australia :)

--Shaun

Originally posted by Acronym BOY
Me? I prefer my home connection, 10 megabits down for $39 a month. :D

Got a spare room? :D

Uhh, where do you get 10mbit for $39? I'd like to know, I pay $49 for DSL (1.5 mb/s).

lolyea no joke i was questioning the same thing

umm maybe its me but 10mbit is a bit slow thats like 1mbyte! for people who know the difference. im on satellite with like a 5 mbit connection. its kewl and all just my latency is horrid.....

Originally posted by interactive
umm maybe its me but 10mbit is a bit slow thats like 1mbyte! for people who know the difference. im on satellite with like a 5 mbit connection. its kewl and all just my latency is horrid..... Uhh how is a 10 mbit connection slow? For $39, I'd go crazy to get one.

lol no joke i'm about to pay charter 60 a month for 1.5 cable and thats not bad compared to dsl :)

finally charter upgraded from 12t1's here and they layed a piece of fiber to oklahoma city and now they have oc3 i'm loving it but i hate them capping me :(

try downloading another program for downloads.. you can always buy a shell account and use BitchX or something for IRC..

You could of course ditch the spyware, and go for another P2P filesharing program. www.winmx.com comes to mind if you are running windows...

Originally posted by interactive
umm maybe its me but 10mbit is a bit slow thats like 1mbyte! for people who know the difference. im on satellite with like a 5 mbit connection. its kewl and all just my latency is horrid.....

If my 10mbits is slow, please tell me how fast the following connections are:

Satelite @ 5Mb/s
T1 @ 1.544Mb/s
DSL @ 512Kb/s
DSL @ 256Kb/s

Originally posted by kkimmel
You could of course ditch the spyware, and go for another P2P filesharing program. www.winmx.com comes to mind if you are running windows...

Or the version of kazaa lacking all spyware.

THREAD CLOSED

RIAA called.

:D

In New York there is a SUNY school (State Univeristy of New York) called Binghamton. My sister goes there. And there network is incredible. They have two faculty and students. And there are no blocks. However, there is no speed problems. I guess since its a highly funded school they have a lot of pipe but its huge and my sister has been there for one day and has downloaded the full third seaon of sex and the city.

So I guess if you can't get the BW they have no choice but to save which means.....blocking.

Originally posted by Neo3Net
In New York there is a SUNY school (State Univeristy of New York) called Binghamton. My sister goes there. And there network is incredible. They have two faculty and students. And there are no blocks. However, there is no speed problems. I guess since its a highly funded school they have a lot of pipe but its huge and my sister has been there for one day and has downloaded the full third seaon of sex and the city.

So I guess if you can't get the BW they have no choice but to save which means.....blocking.

SUNY @ Stony Brook, SUNY @ Cornell, SUNY @ Old Westbury are the same as well. Thats all the SUNY schools I have been to.