which is better for a bulk account in which I am dividing up space for a very small number of clients - for each of which I myself am the webmaster?

WHM/Cpanel is my choice :D

eHostPros, did you ever used H-Sphere? or you're just recommending WHM/Cpanel because its that what you offer?

From the host point of view I prefer H-Sphere over WHM/Cpanel, also, you can do with H-Sphere something that you can't with WHM/Cpanel, like overselling, true multi-domain hosting, the interface could be look complicated at the beggining, but after you research a little, you'll find that its powerfull and intuitive.

Also, you have an adventage using H-Sphere, you don't need to invest on a Billing script, neither on a Help Desk, H-sphere include both :).

Also, I read that you'll manage all the sites? then I highly recommend H-sphere, you can manage all your sites through the same Control Panel, you don't need to swich of control panel to create ex: an email account, subdirectory, etc.

Hope that help.

Regards

This kind of poll is very flawed.
First of all, there are some people that have never used both HSphere and Cpanel and hence will vote for one or the other. This kind of votes should be rejected. You should restrict the poll to only those who have used both control panels.

Second, when you leave the poll open like this, the number of votes will probably not mean anything. There are more CPanel users than HSphere just because Cpanel are out there longer. The result does not entail that CPanel is to be chosen over HSphere (also, see point one above).

Anyway ... I have used both CPanel/WHM and HSphere and I voted for HSphere. I suggest you create a better and more restricted poll, otherwise the poll will be to skewed to be useful.

For that reason, I didn't vote - I've used WHM / CPanel extensive, but have only played around with a h-sphere demo.

I look forward to reading people's opinions (that have used both).

Jorge, Dave, overall do / did you find that your clients prefer h-sphere or Cpanel?

I found that most prefer Cpanel, but only because its better looking :), also, not too many people know about Hsphere.

BTW, I only have 3 customer using H-Sphere :), because I lauch those plans 2 weeks ago or so, and mostly all the referers that I have are from old users which use Cpanel.

Jedito, u can oversell in CPanel (Bandwidth + Diskspace). In H-Sphere the diskspace overselling is coming soon(should be today or tommorrow, haven't checked)

In CPanel u can Resell the Resellers plans, but in H-Sphere haven't figured out if its possible. For example i'm a Reseller of xyz provider and if any enquiry comes to me about reseller plans, i can purchase a reseller plan from xyz, markup by 10-15% ;) , and sell to my client. I don't think it can be done in H-Sphere as yet.

H-Sphere has plus point of controlling both W2K and Unix, so u can offer both plans to your users
Negative points are as of now, the ppl find it a bit difficult in getting going (from install to manage)
One more negative for ppl coming from CPanel background is the per user charge (difficult to explain to resellers, that they have to pay $5 / control panel user)

Userfriendliness and very low learning curve is plus point in CPanel

All IMO :D

To be objective about this you would need to have used both. I have not used H-Sphere, so logically I would have to conclude that in my experience Cpanel is the best. :D

Originally posted by mk123
Jedito, u can oversell in CPanel (Bandwidth + Diskspace). In H-Sphere the diskspace overselling is coming soon(should be today or tommorrow, haven't checked)

In CPanel u can Resell the Resellers plans, but in H-Sphere haven't figured out if its possible. For example i'm a Reseller of xyz provider and if any enquiry comes to me about reseller plans, i can purchase a reseller plan from xyz, markup by 10-15% ;) , and sell to my client. I don't think it can be done in H-Sphere as yet.

H-Sphere has plus point of controlling both W2K and Unix, so u can offer both plans to your users
Negative points are as of now, the ppl find it a bit difficult in getting going (from install to manage)
One more negative for ppl coming from CPanel background is the per user charge (difficult to explain to resellers, that they have to pay $5 / control panel user)

Userfriendliness and very low learning curve is plus point in CPanel

All IMO :D

Sorry, but, did you ever used Hsphere??

Also, Cpanel create hard limits, resellers can't oversell.

Also, Cpanel create hard limits, resellers can't oversell.

This is where you are wrong my good reselling competitor ;) You certainly can oversell using the WHM/CPanel system. It just has to be, with one click of the mouse, activated by the almighty HE who has ROOT access. :D

I'm not wrong, Cpanel create hard limits, it were a Poll on forums.cpanel.net before Nick implemented the Bulk Reseller packages, asking what kind of limits should Cpanel/WHM use, and the majority said hard limits, and this is what Nick did.

Of course, you can let him oversell, not setting space and bandwidth limits for the reseller, even using that, Hsphere its superior, because you can give to the reseller X amounth of space and X amounth of bandwidth, and then let him oversell, but set the maximum that he can oversell

Sorry, but, did you ever used Hsphere??

yup, three H-Sphere windows open b4 me and one WHM(CPanel) also :)

I dun think i made any blundering mistake in my post, though my H-Sphere is in learn'n'use phase :)

About the H-Sphere disk limit i was referring to http://www.forum.psoft.net/showthread.php?threadid=1914

I think that we all are talking about bulk reseller in this thread, and that post its about end user if I'm not wrong ;)

Of course, you can let him oversell, not setting space and bandwidth limits for the reseller, even using that, Hsphere its superior, because you can give to the reseller X amounth of space and X amounth of bandwidth, and then let him oversell, but set the maximum that he can oversell

OK, now I understand the finer tuning of the H-Sphere CP. :)

Depends on your target market.

Cpanel is better looking by far and easy for the end user to understand. This is where Hsphere falls short, they are improving but are far away from a freindly easy to use interface.

Currently allowing resellers to have resellers is not supported by Hsphere, they have mentioned it breifly but have not commited to any plans or dates to add this feature.

Since I design most of the sites that we host, I perfer to use Hsphere. Sure there is the occasional newbie that signs up that requires a little handholding to get started but we perfer to have the interaction with the customer.

Hsphere also integrates several business management features that are not included with Cpanel. I think someone else already listed them above.

Originally posted by Jedito
Also, I read that you'll manage all the sites? then I highly recommend H-sphere, you can manage all your sites through the same Control Panel, you don't need to swich of control panel to create ex: an email account, subdirectory, etc.


Thank you Jedito -- that alone may be the deciding factor for me.
:)
The reason I am looking into getting a single bulk account is to simplify my life of webmastering for several unaffiliated groups that are hosted a a variety of unrelated systems. If Hspere can give me a single interface to all of them, then that is clearly the way to go.

BTW-- several people have mentioned the billing feature that is built in to Hsphere. What if I don't want to bill anyone? ;)

And those of you who pointed out the flaw in the poll were certainly right -- I should have asked that people only respond who have actually used both systems. :blush:

I vote CPanel/WHM for *nix,
But H-Sphere is the best for NT IMO, (Yes I know CPanel is not for NT, I mean out of the NT control panels ensim host control etc..)
I have had a chance to use both. Also in the eye of the consumer (in my experiences) they perfer CPanel over H-Sphere, all though both very good control panels.

Originally posted by zshelton



BTW-- several people have mentioned the billing feature that is built in to Hsphere. What if I don't want to bill anyone? ;)

And those of you who pointed out the flaw in the poll were certainly right -- I should have asked that people only respond who have actually used both systems. :blush:

You can create the plans and select "No Bill" :)

Originally posted by DJiMPaCT
I vote CPanel/WHM for *nix,
But H-Sphere is the best for NT IMO, (Yes I know CPanel is not for NT, I mean out of the NT control panels ensim host control etc..)
I have had a chance to use both. Also in the eye of the consumer (in my experiences) they perfer CPanel over H-Sphere, all though both very good control panels.

H-Sphere Control Panel server must run in a linux/FreeBSD server, it doesn't work on NT/W2K servers.

Last i checked my cpanel resellers oversold without issue :confused:

Jedito, that post was for Resellers, so they can oversell the Space. I think that post had no meaning for end users.
Also the following post:
http://forum.psoft.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1285&highlight=actual

Originally posted by porcupine
Last i checked my cpanel resellers oversold without issue :confused:

I don't know how you do it, because ex: if you create a reseller plan where you assing to a reseller 1 GB Space , the reseller can't sell more than 2 x 500 MB Space package

Originally posted by mk123
Jedito, that post was for Resellers, so they can oversell the Space. I think that post had no meaning for end users.
Also the following post:
http://forum.psoft.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1285&highlight=actual

H-Sphere 2.2 has been released on 08-08-2002.

I'm using it, and I actually have a reseller which have a plan with 1 GB Space, and he created 7-8 accounts with 200 MB each.

issit?

oops! i was too carried away by these posts, and also after been told it cannot be done, that i didn't try myself.

i was told it cud be done in ver. 2.1 but cannot in 2.2 but feature would be there in 2.3

anyway.. ok rightaway i'd be trying... if it works then great! :D

It's possible to oversell - depending on how you set the package up, in the Resellers Center.

Matt

Originally posted by voxtreme-matt
It's possible to oversell - depending on how you set the package up, in the Resellers Center.

Matt

Hi Matt :)

Can you tell me how? really, I don't know how, if I set "Limit Accounts ACCOUNTNAME can create by Resource Usage" and WHM set hard limits, how can the reseller oversell?

I really have no idea.

Jedito,

You dont force them to resell your packages, they make their own.

As far as i know they can oversell as much as they want, i've yet to hear anyone say they couldn't.

Hi Jorge,

We simply don't place any limits on the accounts, we just give them reseller priviligies, tick most of the tick boxes in the edit reseller section, save and it's done :)

Matt

Originally posted by voxtreme-matt
Hi Jorge,

We simply don't place any limits on the accounts, we just give them reseller priviligies, tick most of the tick boxes in the edit reseller section, save and it's done :)

Matt

Ohh :), that's its what I said up on this thread, they can oversell if you don't set limits on his account.

I was worry about, I'm a bit absentmindedly (its this word ok?) and I thought that I missed something.

Originally posted by porcupine
Jedito,

You dont force them to resell your packages, they make their own.

As far as i know they can oversell as much as they want, i've yet to hear anyone say they couldn't.

Hi Myles

But if you set limits, and check the box "Limit Accounts ACCOUNTNAME can create by Resource Usage", they wont be able to oversell, the only way its what Matt said, not setting limits to them.

Originally posted by voxtreme-matt
Hi Jorge,

We simply don't place any limits on the accounts, we just give them reseller priviligies, tick most of the tick boxes in the edit reseller section, save and it's done :)

Matt

YEP :D

Overselling is easy or in their resources tab put unlimited space and bandwidth and each month bill them how much they use, it all depends how you set them up in the reseller center :D

Lol - me too, mustn't have read the thread properly :rolleyes:

We find this works ok though, and just monitor their diskspace and bandwidth usage manually.

CPANEL/WHM...

Originally posted by zshelton
which is better for a bulk account in which I am dividing up space for a very small number of clients - for each of which I myself am the webmaster?

You can create the plans and select "No Bill"

Can you also opt to not have the H-SPHERE support ticket system visible to clients ??

Originally posted by otherground


Can you also opt to not have the H-SPHERE support ticket system visible to clients ??

You got me there, I'm asking that on Psoft right now.

Regards

You got me there, I'm asking that on Psoft right now.

by that do you mean:

1. you dont know if the support it but you're asking them ... or

2. They dont support it, but you are asking them to.

thanks!

I don't know if can be removed.

Havent used either one but I know H Sphere is more compatible with different operating systems

hello users of WHM/CPanel...

have faced this problem b4?
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=71830

any comments?

thanks

Another vote for WHM/Cpanel :) having said that I have been playing around with a demo of H-Sphere and I am beginning to like it, I’m not confident on how to use all of its features but I’m getting there. I am going to compare them and probably give my opinion on which one I prefer and why :D

If you really want to provide stable hosting to your customers the best control panel to use is:


... nothing!

You can probably use a mixed bag of opensource tools like qmailadmin, phpmyadmin, awstats, webalizer, htedit, file manager, squirrelmail and provide everything that any control panel provides and still be in tight control of the server.

It's a radical thought but in the long run it is certainly worth the initial time you invest.

CPanel itself uses a lot of opensource tools and it beats me why people go gaga over a control panel. And when I posted in the job forums asking for remote tech work I was quite shocked to see people asking me what is your experience in WHM/CPanel, or PLESK etc!! :rolleyes:

I understand that as a webhost you need a commercial CP to be marketable. But I cant understand why any one should talk of a control panel as if it is they are talking of an OS! ;)

Beats me all the time I read these kinda posts.

Hello,

We use WHM/Cpanel, However i'm a big fan of H-sphere and prefer it from my point of view :)