I am looking, for a STABLE, DEDICATED SERVER.

two of my friends bought servers from cobaltrack.com

(hah, big mistake eh?)

Cobaltracks.com has like, the worst history i swear

I called some companies (e.g. dtwebworks) and they already konw about cobaltrack.com, and their poor service.

so anyways, buying a server from there was the biggest mistake you could ever make

I have a server on dialtoneinternet's dual oc12

and it is GREAT. I Love it, it's stable as hell, it NEVER goes down. It is up 24/7. No on etouches it, it's an intel, no dumb cobalt stuff.

I need something like that, but not from DI.

I'm thinking about getting a pogolinux server, but here's the thing.

PogoLinux's lowest price:
P3-700Mhz CPU
128MB PC133 SDRAM
IBM 20GB 7200RPM UDMA-100 HD
15GB Transfer Included (Calculated by Actual Transfer)
$149 Per Month / $199 Setup

that would mean i'm paying 350 for my first payment. That's alotof money, and i DO NOT want to just pay 350, and then 2 weks later find out it's CRAP, and it's a junk server and service.

I don't want to end up wasting the 350, cancelling, and loosing the money and not getting it back.

That's alot of money to loose, i'm no bill gates.

PogoLinux claims they have an oc48 from above.net

I"m just wondering, is there anyone out there who has a pogolinux server, or knows someone that does. I would like to konw what the service is like, or does anyone have any better places, any advice ?

Someone reply to this please

thanks

pogolinux took over the racklocation.com service when it fell apart. They upped the prices so I cancelled.

Before I cancelled email took ages to get a reply and now I have cancelled I have had 1 reply to all my emails. I certainly would aviod. They say they have 5 techs always available but WHY are they so slow if that is true? there was a thread on here that we were complaining in but pogo deleted it.

Also they might have an OC48 but it pings in at over 200 from here in the UK. I think it is because it is on the west coast.

well
I know someone down at pogolinux
(sales rep, i talk to him sometimes)

and yes they are in california

i'm not really concerned about Uk peoples ping to california

just want to see if it is worth the money
to waste 350
becuase if i cancel then i wont get it back

from my home pc:
C:\>ping -t pogolinux.com

Pinging pogolinux.com [209.81.42.99] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 209.81.42.99: bytes=32 time=98ms TTL=241
Reply from 209.81.42.99: bytes=32 time=102ms TTL=241
Reply from 209.81.42.99: bytes=32 time=98ms TTL=241
Reply from 209.81.42.99: bytes=32 time=96ms TTL=241


From dialtoneinternet to pogolinux >
r00tabega:/home/node# ping pogolinux.com
PING pogolinux.com (209.81.42.99) from 66.33.25.224 : 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from http://www.pogolinux.com (209.81.42.99): icmp_seq=0 ttl=247 time=90.676 msec
64 bytes from http://www.pogolinux.com (209.81.42.99): icmp_seq=1 ttl=247 time=91.522 msec
64 bytes from http://www.pogolinux.com (209.81.42.99): icmp_seq=2 ttl=247 time=91.955 msec
64 bytes from http://www.pogolinux.com (209.81.42.99): icmp_seq=3 ttl=247 time=92.548 msec
64 bytes from http://www.pogolinux.com (209.81.42.99): icmp_seq=4 ttl=247 time=91.618 msec
64 bytes from http://www.pogolinux.com (209.81.42.99): icmp_seq=5 ttl=247 time=94.919 msec

When i do a traceroute on pogolinux.com i don't really see anythign with above.net i could be totally wrong ;/ who konws

8 cix-wcom.west.cix.net (149.20.65.5) 91.608 ms 93.997 ms 91.080 ms
9 paix1.via.net (198.32.176.80) 90.144 ms 98.510 ms 91.256 ms
10 pos6-0.mtv.via.net (209.81.1.49) 93.473 ms 91.353 ms 92.743 ms
11 http://www.pogolinux.com (209.81.42.99) 90.965 ms 91.199 ms 93.562 ms

ah who knows
i just need to konw if pogo is worth it
or can i find a better place that ISSSSSS worth it? that i'll get more responses onthis post from

another thing i noticed is there is NOTHING about pogolinux.com's connection on their website

and when you do a traceroute you see via.net

via.net doenst have much bandwith

or am i wrong? someone help me out here

How come you're not sticking with Dialtone? Just wondering...

Well when you get emails from pogo they come from a servie in the via domain. It shows in the header.

I think they said in one of their emails that they are using some one elses data centre with OC48 connection.

Have you emailed their support to see if it is quicker than when I was trying it?

Rehan: It's like this.

Pogo Linux teamed up with Netcolony to form RackLocation. We purchased our server from RackLocation.

RackLocation uses dialtoneinternet's dual oc12 data center. Frankily, it's great, like i said earlier i love it.

RackLocation is going out of business or something, PogoLinux offered to buy out RackLocation and their existing customers.

RackLocation's customer's servers are being shipped to PogoLinux's data center, atleast that's what Ive been told over the phone by PogoLinux

Our server, has still not been shipped, I hear other servers have, but ours hasn't. I'm wondering what is taking so long.

My friend who purchased a server from RackLocation, his server WENT down sometime last week, we both assumed that it was being moved (shipped) to pogolinux

But it still isn't online, which makes me wonder WHAT is going to happen to my server when it is "shipped"

PogoLinux tells me it should happen sometime this week, but they said that last week too :(

So technically, I still have my server, which is hooked up to dialtoneinternet

I"m glad though, better than nothing.

And it Does say on their web page oc48 connectivitiy (pogolinux's web page)

but who konws

Maybe they are using via.net as their web page host

and their data center = colocation with above.net's oc48

who knows

and _G_, I prefer to call pogolinux over the phone and speak to them rather than emailing, I find it MUCH quicker

Oh, okay... Gotcha. I thought you had a server directly through Dialtone rather than one through RackLocation that happens to be in DI's data center.

I've got a RackLocation server too...and I agree, it's rock solid. :) Too bad about the lack of service, though.

The lack of response from PogoLinux has been disappointing, too.

ya man

I wish Dialtoneinternet would honor our server and host it for us

instead of leaving me waiting in the dust for pogolinux to take my server to their datacenter

I mean i'm happy with dialtoneinternet's connection

i like it

They have a wonderful datacenter ive talked to people down there also

I just am hoping Pogolinux REALLY has an oc48 and isn't like playing games with me or anything

(because of the via.net ****)

go there they have liek t1's and t3's

i may be wrong but whatever

Originally posted by node9
I wish Dialtoneinternet would honor our server and host it for us

instead of leaving me waiting in the dust for pogolinux to take my server to their datacenter
As I see it, DI isn't an issue. Your business is not with them as all. They are a wholesaler. Your business is with the retailer you bought from who uses them.

[Edited by Duster on 03-15-2001 at 08:12 PM]

WhoAduster!





I see cobaltracks is located underground... must be the sewer...

node9,

Did you not see the thread on here about Pogo Linux and RackLocation? It was real long and Pogo Linux deleted it as they were the topic starter. And they have yet to reply back to me why they deleted it.

As for calling them on the phone I called them numerous times and could never get anyone on the phone there. Tim also posted that Pogo Linux had different tech numbers for customers but I asked him 4 or 5 times in that thread if they did for sure because the only number on the site was the RackLocation number that was co-located with Pogo and Tim never did answer that question.

I did ping's on Pogo and they werent too good. RackLocation's ping times with Dialtone were really good untill all of this fiasco started.

Pogo stated about 2 weeks ago they had made a deal with RackLocation and the servers were being shipped to them yet they haven't did that.

I suggest asking the sales person that you know there why they deleted the thread on this site about them. Personally I would not use them after that incident and the fact their tech support is poor.

PogoLinux owe the customers of RackLocation some explaination of WTF is going on whith that business which they joint ventured into. PogoLinux also owe this forum a similar explaination for the bizzare thread they started here (then deleted) trying to use RackLocations customers as pawns (asking them to email Netcolony) to help them get their hands on the servers that are currently connected at dialtoninternet. The whole thing sounds a mess.

freakysid: agreed.

I have halted all my operations, work, everything, just for PogoLinux. Ive been told ya ya my server is being shipped to pogolinux but It hasnt happend

I don't want to halt my **** forever and then assume it wnot be moved and then continue normally with my work and then have it suddenly be moved

so wtf

;/

i'm getting pissed off here

node9 spoke... "I don't want to end up wasting the 350, cancelling, and loosing the money and not getting it back. "

Since you aren't sure about the hosts , look into a host that gives you a money back guarantee.

So far only http://sy.net/general/15_day_guarantee.htm and http://www.burst.net seems to be promising to do that.

I wish more hosts would give a money back guarantee like virtual hosts do, but then again I can understand why they often don't.

Don't put too much faith in a money back guarantee. By itself it is worthless. It only means something if the company offering it is any good.

There have been plenty of problems with money back guarantees experienced by people who overlooked this simple fact.

Originally posted by jonglenn
node9 spoke... "I don't want to end up wasting the 350, cancelling, and loosing the money and not getting it back. "

Since you aren't sure about the hosts , look into a host that gives you a money back guarantee.

So far only http://sy.net/general/15_day_guarantee.htm and http://www.burst.net seems to be promising to do that.

I wish more hosts would give a money back guarantee like virtual hosts do, but then again I can understand why they often don't.


I don't know if this fact is true. It can't be right that only those hosts give money back guarantees on their dedicated servers.

Just wondering if node9 is the same node9 that I know.
Did you used to use the name Blue Demon?

Regards,
Vince.

i found out pogolinux is indeed co-located with above.net and their datacenter.

they just have pogolinux.com hosted at via.net another place

i was given a few pogolinux's server ips i checked em up n ****

r00tabega:/home/node# traceroute 64.124.182.8
traceroute to 64.124.182.8 (64.124.182.8), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 64.65.56.1 (64.65.56.1) 0.922 ms 33.030 ms 93.885 ms
2 s4-0-0.ar1.TPA1.gblx.net (64.209.252.61) 7.784 ms 10.057 ms 8.774 ms
3 pos5-1-155M.cr1.MIA1.gblx.net (206.132.248.42) 13.013 ms 13.800 ms 14.761 ms
4 pos10-3-622M.cr1.IAD3.gblx.net (208.48.234.221) 44.557 ms 43.586 ms 42.750 ms
5 so0-0-0-622M.br1.IAD3.gblx.net (208.178.254.105) 42.299 ms 43.577 ms 42.525 ms
6 above-globalcenter.iad2.above.net (208.184.233.173) 42.757 ms 43.836 ms 46.430 ms
7 core4-iad2-oc48.iad1.above.net (209.249.0.213) 43.426 ms 108.082 ms 104.042 ms
8 dca2-iad1-oc192.dca2.above.net (208.184.233.125) 62.124 ms 45.374 ms 44.640 ms
9 sjc2-dca2-oc48.sjc2.above.net (208.184.233.133) 98.284 ms 98.816 ms 99.861 ms
10 core2-sjc2-oc48.sjc3.above.net (208.184.233.50) 98.460 ms 98.455 ms 97.476 ms
11 main2colo78-core2-oc48.sjc3.above.net (208.184.210.178) 97.371 ms 102.524 ms 118.613 ms
12 64.124.182.8.pogolinux.com (64.124.182.8) 127.660 ms 113.416 ms 101.813 ms

64 bytes from 64.124.182.8: icmp_seq=0 ttl=246 time=97.832 msec
64 bytes from 64.124.182.8: icmp_seq=1 ttl=246 time=97.845 msec
64 bytes from 64.124.182.8: icmp_seq=2 ttl=246 time=98.016 msec
64 bytes from 64.124.182.8: icmp_seq=3 ttl=246 time=97.232 msec
64 bytes from 64.124.182.8: icmp_seq=4 ttl=246 time=98.559 msec
64 bytes from 64.124.182.8: icmp_seq=5 ttl=246 time=97.074 msec

that's from Dialtoneinternet to above.net

my home pc:
Pinging 64.124.182.8 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 64.124.182.8: bytes=32 time=147ms TTL=239
Reply from 64.124.182.8: bytes=32 time=110ms TTL=239
Reply from 64.124.182.8: bytes=32 time=113ms TTL=239
Reply from 64.124.182.8: bytes=32 time=145ms TTL=239

bah ;/

Hey Skream.
Message me on ICQ.

When did you get into hosting?!

Regards,
Vince.

yes its me!@$
lol
i have been into this **** for a few months now

i am really close to getting a server from pogo linux and have it co-located with above.net

i like above.net and their stats, very impressing

broadwing has some good **** too

level3 sucks
but anyways

ANYONE OUT THERE KONW OF ANY OTHER GOOD PLACES LETS GET BACK TO THE ORIGINAL SUBJECT
heh

Node:

Tried to email you, but your address is turned off.

node9,

I really don't understand why you would want to go with Pogo Linux after the way they have handled the RackLocation part and especially when they deleted that thread on here.

They have failed to give any reason for deleting that thread and we already know that they visit this site. Plus they have never answered my e-mail back that I sent them asking them why they deleted the thread.

Do you work for Pogo Linux or have a friend that works there?

Matrix

I understand your concern with the whole thread thing, and the deal with RackLocation and all that

and yes I do know someone down at PogoLinux and I strongly believe they are a good host, because I've seen a few servers that are hosted with pogolinux/above.net's oc48

they are some niceee servers

one thing still boggles me is why the hell hasn't my racklocation box been moved to pogolinux yet

pogolinux says that netcolony (racklocation) is having problems moving some servers out of dialtoneinternet's data center.

It seems as though netcolony is giving pogolinux the run around, and telling them this and that

netcolony says that the servers should be moved sometime this week. (being: Monday, march 19th 2001)

so anyone out there with a racklocation box lets just hope everything gets moved and sorted becuase i hate waiting this damn long

another thing Matrix, I seem to always be able to get in touch with PogoLinux

I usually dial their 1888 # 1-888-828-7646

almost every time i'm able to talk to some sort of sales rep

I don't understand how you can't get throgh :(

but i personally hate e-mailing tech support

another thing

I plan on getting a server seperately from pogolinux (purchased new)

and i'm HOPING my original server will be moved.

i was going to go with dtwebworks but pfft.. they went down was it yesterday? or today
whatever
they were down
that sucks
;/

Node9,

Have you asked Pogo Linux why they just don't put you up in a new server?

Also have you asked them why they deleted the Thread on this site?

Does it not bother you at all that they deleted that thread? That shows me that they want to hide things.

Also Tim posted that they had more tech phone numbers and I asked him 4 or 5 times in that thread what they were yet he never answered me.

Good Luck if you go with them as I believe they aren't very good.

Matrix

I could ask for a server there, but why? our server is being moved (dialtoneinternet to pogolinux) HOPEFULLY soon.

i'm in suspense, waiting for it to happen

what if they gave me a server and then 3 days later my server is there already


i don't want to waste time securing, setting up another redhat box and then going back to m yoriginal

I mean i like working on *nix boxes and aall but it aint that great ;/

The original topic/thread they posted was about the situation with RackLocation, and Netcolony, they wanted you guys to konw about how Netcolony is messing up big time, and how you guys should necourage netcolony to move their servers to pogolinux's datacenter, or take their offer.

Once NetColony took the offer, Pogolinux's goal was accomplished

they wanted to serve you, the racklocation customers, but they NEEDED the servers, that inspired them to start the topic, to spread awareness throughout the public.

Pogolinux was going to generously GIVE all racklocatoin customers a server provided by them, for free, IF Netcolony wouldn't take their offer and hand over the boxes

that wasn't the case, now was it? netcolony agreed

They have already shipped half of the servers, the rest are taking forever but it's happening

The stuff about him not answering you, i dunno, i 've never heard of 4-5 tech phone numbers, maybe e-mails

I do know that PogoLinux plans on setting up some sort of phone center where you can call in and actually talk to a tech, like they do at catalog.com (expensive host)

where you can actually get help, trouble shooting, and all that over the phone

I feel as though the PogoLinux/RackLocation/Netcolony thread that was started by tim lee (pogolinux) was mixed up with numerous topics

I konw they should of kept the topic, bnut the original purpose was awareness of the situation at the time

they have moved up a stage from their origial spot

Matrix: I'll keep you updated on how the **** goes with Pogolinux and the server

Unless you have a better place i could get a secondary server from ?

;]

AOL Instant Messenger: Skream9
irc.r00tabega.org #drnet
nick: Skream9

try: http://www.weinbar.com

nah man thats too expensive
200 a month for
Intel Pentium III 750 Mhz
128MB SDRAM
10GB ATA100 7200RPM EIDE Hard Disk
50 GB/mo (Fully Burstable)
Direct Connection to a Tier-1 Internet Backbone
IP Addresses Assigned as you need them (Unlimited)
Dual Embedded 10/100 NICs
RedHat 6.2 (or 7.0) Linux
Root Access

plus 249 SETUP???

connected to a t1? lol

adding "nic" into the description is just to make it look bigger
every machine has to have an nic
the Root Access part is a waste also

at pogolinux you can get:

P3-700Mhz CPU
128MB PC133 SDRAM
IBM 20GB 7200RPM UDMA-100 HD
15GB Transfer Included (Calculated by Actual Transfer)
$149 Per Month / $199 Setup

A 20 GIG hard drive
for 150 a month
one time 200 setup fee

and yes i understand weinbar and you probably gave me the URL because of the money back guarantee but i originally started this post because i wasn't sure of pogolinux and their stabliity

but i am sure now

weinbar is too expensive

but thanks anyway matrix..

;/

They are on a OC-192. My guy was transfering stuff at it was maxing out his cable modem at I think 110 and on racklocation it was 40. Plus they offer a cheaper plan at 199.00

Ping times have always been faster than pogolinux from various locations around the US.

$249 setup price isnt bad as it was setup the same day and within 8 hrs.

I gave you the weinbar post because you asked for a recommendation of someone else.

as for pogo linux they are not stable in my opinion nor trustworthy.

If you do go with them let us know how its going and the site address.

[Edited by Matrix on 03-18-2001 at 09:07 PM]

Node;

Let me clear something up. Where did you get that we were on a T1? There is no way that we would even consider colocating on a T-1, not even a T-3.

And our price is expensive? Compare it to pogolinux, as you said.

1. They only give 15GB transfer, as we give 50 for the same plan.

2. They have a 700MHz, as we give you a 750 (I know, not much different, but I am trying to see where you get that we are way too expensive).

3. We are on an OC192 direct connection to UUNet and Genuity. Can your provider claim that?

4. They are dual NIC, that is why we advertise that. Quite important when you are doing backups for your clients.

5. Root access is not a waste to state as not all dedicated providers give clients that.

So, in summary, for $50/month more you get 35GB more transfer, faster processor, better connectivity.. I don't know is it worth it? Do you look at price as your only issue? If so, then we don't compete because I guess we are way too expensive. But what if you go over 15GB transfer, what is the cost?

I take it your mind is made up, but get the facts straight before saying that we are too expensive. You can buy a Yugo to take you from NY to LA. Remember, you get what you pay for.

Weinbar,

I think he's referring to the part on your site when you click on dedicated server and it has the pricing plan it says "Our secured Data Center is directly connected to a tier-1 provider (UUNet/Genuity) via multiple OC-192s without any telco loops"

I think it was just misread on his part.

.

Weinbar, don't get to flustered over this guy: node9. I have been monitoring his posts this week, and node9 is definately a scam; either a rival host, in bed with a host, or someone with just interested in causing problems. He has nothing nice to say about any host, except PogoLinux. Also, most likely he is a teenager script kiddie, as you can tell by his grammer, spelling, and etiquette. Looks like he is "trolling", trying to start up trouble.

hostpolicia

Originally posted by node9
adding "nic" into the description is just to make it look bigger
every machine has to have an nic
the Root Access part is a waste also

Well, run a host for a while... you would be suprised how many people would ask something that to you or I may be common sense but to them it is a legitimate question.

Regards,

Mike

I am not flustered. I was just trying to make a clarification, a rebuttal of sorts.

There is no way we could be classified as too expensive. If that was the case, we wouldn't have as many clients as we do. I am the first to point out that price is not always the issue, but when people claim that we are too expensive, it gets me mad. We have done a lot of market research and cost accounting to justify our pricing structure. We do not pay our accountants a lot of money for nothing. You see, we want to stay in business, and offering our quality products at the best possible and profitable price point will keep us in business. Sure, we can go out and offer killer pricing, but what will that do for our customer service. We still have bills to pay and by offering servers for less than profitable numbers will surely be our demise.

Good point Weinbar, a host making $50 profit is going to be a lot less likely to be as enthused to help a customer than a hose that makes a $75 profit (just numbers to put things into perspective, in no way are they meant to reflect hosts actual profits).

Regards,

Mike

ok
First off
Weinbar: you said 1. They only give 15GB transfer, as we give 50 for the same plan.

I could of swore i saw 10GB transfer, looks like I was wrong, i'm sorry. Then again, 10 gigs is alot, pogolinux only charges $3 bucks for every gig you go over 10. It isn't so bad. 50 gigs is alot though true.
50mhz isnt that much from 700 to 750
I give you the oc192
you have a point with
4. They are dual NIC, that is why we advertise that. Quite important when you are doing backups for your clients.

the only reason i said the root access thing is because well i mean come on who pays 200 bucks and doesnt get root?

It should be known by default, but I guess some people don't konw :(

and no my mind is not made up
we seriously don't have 200 bucks a month, plus 249
we can only spend so much. that's why i have been wanting to get my second server from pogolinux, because i know someone down there, PLUS ive seen pogolinux servers and how good they are. i am not trying to bad mouth you or your service(s) or anything like that.

if your prices were cheaper i'd go with you
and the t1 was misread by me

And as for you hostpolicia, who are you to say i'm a scam????
Just because I am intersted in PogoLinux and their services doesn't mean I am in "bed" with a host

and the **** about you saying ihave nothing good to say about other hosts, is absolutely not true.

I actually do like alot of places, just because i don't make comments about them doesn't mean ****. for instance i like dtwebworks, although they were down today that's not their fault, it was Qwest's fault.

Just because I don't type PROPERLY enough for you, does not mean i'm a "script kiddie"

I could care less about what you or anyone thinks about how i type, I do enough typing as it is in a day, i don't hav eto be perfect for some guy on a message board named "hostpolicia"

I make good comments about PogoLinux becuase I KNOW what they have and what they don't
and as i said before i made a mistake about weinbar and i apologized

i post my opinions, not start up trouble
so why don't you quit this "script kiddie who can't spell ****"

I'll type however I want.

Node:

Apology is of course accepted, but I wasn't really asking for one.

Just to let you know, if you are looking for a server based on a specific price point, we can work it out. If you only need 15GB transfer, I am sure that we can come close, if not do better than, the pogolinux deal.

As far as the servers go, we do not build our own. We are contracted with both Dell and Gateway to provide our servers.

Drop me an email to see if we can work something out.

Originally posted by hostpolicia
Weinbar, don't get to flustered over this guy: node9. I have been monitoring his posts this week, and node9 is definately a scam; either a rival host, in bed with a host, or someone with just interested in causing problems. He has nothing nice to say about any host, except PogoLinux. Also, most likely he is a teenager script kiddie, as you can tell by his grammer, spelling, and etiquette. Looks like he is "trolling", trying to start up trouble.

hostpolicia


So you have nothing better to do then to stalk node9 on webhostingtalk? You make me sick. =)