Just had a conversation with someone over MSN regarding a Support Tech position and I was quite surprised by this:


Catlin - Chief Executive Officer: MGS Hosting Services Inc. "The EXTREME Network" says:
25-100 a month
drew says:
$?
Catlin - Chief Executive Officer: MGS Hosting Services Inc. "The EXTREME Network" says:
yes
drew says:
for how many hours work
Catlin - Chief Executive Officer: MGS Hosting Services Inc. "The EXTREME Network" says:
at least 10 hours a week
drew says:
40 hours a month
drew says:
for 100 dollars a month
drew says:
thats $2.50 per hour
drew says:
why would anyone do that?
Catlin - Chief Executive Officer: MGS Hosting Services Inc. "The EXTREME Network" says:
its online who the **** really pays normal wage online
Catlin - Chief Executive Officer: MGS Hosting Services Inc. "The EXTREME Network" says:
no one

Thoughts?
Would anyone agree or am I right in thinking this is slightly outrageous?

You really think people pay normal wages online?

I was offering you $4.50 a hour.

Who in the right mind pays $200+ dollars for a online workerr? Maybe if you were at the corp office, I would think about it.

No one does.

You really think people pay normal wages online?

I was offering you $4.50 a hour.

Who in the right mind pays $200+ dollars for a online workerr? Maybe if you were at the corp office, I would think about it.

No one does.

Unless it's on a per-ticket basis, then a fair few companies WOULD pay normal wages.

Isn't it a legal requirement to meet the national minimum wage?

Isn't it a legal requirement to meet the national minimum wage?

I don't think so for contract work.

Well, some idiots/kids out there work these positions because they want to make a few bucks, not realizing they could double or basically triple that just as a bag boy. If someone is only going to pay you what amounts to $1.00-$2.50/hr, you're wasting your time with them in my book.

And to answer your question, yes there are remote telecommute positions that pay normal wages.

Thats telecommute, not Hosting.

There isnt a online legal requirement for min wage,

Its 4.50 a hour at the start, going up to 15 dollars a hour.

We pay all of our employees hourly and normally start out around $8-$10/hr depending on the position. We always start employees out with a 14 day period at that initial rate then determine their salary based off of the performance in that time frame.

We pay our online tech support guys around $7 per hour and there's enough spare time that most work a 2nd job at the same time.

--Tina

Thats telecommute, not Hosting.


:rolleyes:

I'm not picking a fight here, but that underscores my point, I do believe, in this instance. If you are working a job online, which working technical support for a compnay hosting or not is, then you are telecommuting.

There isnt a online legal requirement for min wage,

Actually, there is. It's called federal law.
If the person is an 'independent contractor', then there is not. However, if you require them to be there, at your beck and call, during certain hours, then you are required to pay them the federal (or local legal) minimums.

Not doing so can get you into a heap of trouble legally.


Telling someone "I'll give you 4.50 an hour" is just an insult, to the person, to your organization, and to your clients.

Now, pay per ticket, that's different completely. That allows individuals to work multiple arenas, multiple jobs, and multiple situations. A grunt / entry level tech, maybe $7-10/hr. $4? No way in hell, it's below every state's minimum wage requirement, and well below federal minimums.

Actually, there is. It's called federal law.
If the person is an 'independent contractor', then there is not. However, if you require them to be there, at your beck and call, during certain hours, then you are required to pay them the federal (or local legal) minimums.

Not doing so can get you into a heap of trouble legally.


Telling someone "I'll give you 4.50 an hour" is just an insult, to the person, to your organization, and to your clients.

Now, pay per ticket, that's different completely. That allows individuals to work multiple arenas, multiple jobs, and multiple situations. A grunt / entry level tech, maybe $7-10/hr. $4? No way in hell, it's below every state's minimum wage requirement, and well below federal minimums.

I think that person is from Canada which, of course, doesn't follow US law. I'm sure they have their own laws about wages which are probably pretty much in tune with US labor laws.

--Tina

Thats telecommute, not Hosting.

There isnt a online legal requirement for min wage,

Its 4.50 a hour at the start, going up to 15 dollars a hour.
You really shouldn't be running business, since you clearly have no understanding of labor laws. Doesn't matter if it's online or "telecommute"? Whatever the hell that means.

Who in the right mind pays $200+ dollars for a online workerr? Maybe if you were at the corp office, I would think about it.
Honestly, companies that care about their employees/contractors and want to keep them around. Hell, I made more money with my first hosting job at hire then you're offering and the plus side to that was I had no set hours.

Now, if someone had to go to your office, you'd still only pay $200/month? (as you said you'd think about it) That wouldn't even cover gas and food for that month of work.

To the OP, go to hostgator and get $40k/year (and if you're 21 and in the US get beer) -- though I think you have to move to Dallas.

LOL - my guys just sent me this link..

I couldnt even imagine paying them these rates...

who cares if its online or in an office - as long as the work gets done - thats all that matters...

I wouldnt trade our guys in for anything - and paying them these sorts of rates would pretty much be begging them to leave

You really think people pay normal wages online?

I was offering you $4.50 a hour.

Who in the right mind pays $200+ dollars for a online workerr? Maybe if you were at the corp office, I would think about it.

No one does.

LMFAO. Are you kidding me? Would you work 40 hours a month for $200? Think about it? Aside from being extremely insulting, that has to be close to illegal here in Canada. Online or not, that's just a damn joke.

Wishing you no success...

LMFAO. Are you kidding me? Would you work 40 hours a month for $200? Think about it? Aside from being extremely insulting, that has to be close to illegal here in Canada. Online or not, that's just a damn joke.

Wishing you no success...

:lovewht:.

LMFAO. Are you kidding me? Would you work 40 hours a month for $200? Think about it? Aside from being extremely insulting, that has to be close to illegal here in Canada. Online or not, that's just a damn joke.

Wishing you no success...

well here the min wage is 8/hour for those over 18 years...I guess if you sign on as a contractor and agree to the pay it's legal, otherwise you'd be better off working at Best Buy.

half the population of India would do it for a fraction of that price.

240 hours/month for $350 is good pay over there.

It really just depends on the quality of service you want to offer to your customers. Personally, I need techs who are very well-rounded in their experience and who are based in North America (language differences are a HUGE issue when it comes to the quality of support).

--Tina

It really just depends on the quality of service you want to offer to your customers

I agree 100% here. If you're after cheap quality, cheap service, have someone work for $2 / hr, but you'd better make sure you're following local law in doing so.

When you grow as a business, you realize that those $2/hr employees are COSTING you more money than they're making you though, due to, as Tina said, language issues, lack of true tech. knowledge, a myriad of things, and you'll come baack to reality quite quickly.

In some cases, you get what you pay for. If you want lousy workmanship, pay someone $2/hr to do it, even $4/hr. If you want decent workmanship, then pay decent wages.

ring up Dell support and see who answers :)

ring up Dell support and see who answers :)


Once they've sold you a laptop, you can't very well "cancel" services because you get stuck with a barely-English-speaking support person. Hosting is completely different.

--Tina

You really think people pay normal wages online?

Sure. If they're a legitimate business, they pay normal wages for whatever country the person works from. It doesn't matter that it's "online".

I was offering you $4.50 a hour.

According to that MSN transcript, you tried to offer $25/month for 40 hours a month. That's $0.63/hour. If the $100/month range is for the same work (and not for working 160 hours), that's still $2.50/hour.

Who in the right mind pays $200+ dollars for a online workerr? Maybe if you were at the corp office, I would think about it.

You would think about it? You would be legally obligated to! If the person is working in Canada, you are bound by Canadian minimum wage laws. If they're in the US, then US laws.

Once they've sold you a laptop, you can't very well "cancel" services because you get stuck with a barely-English-speaking support person. Hosting is completely different.

--Tina

And most everyone I talk to that gets that 'support' swears they'll never go back to Dell again. There's a few that will put up with it, but most, from what I've experienced say the same thing.


My dad, a lifelong Dell fan switched because of that 'support'. We're talking pdas, laptops, desktops. The man must dump between 1k and 5k a year there on electronics, or did, until he found out they were outsourcing support to save a buck. Now, he does business with someone else. Whom? I don't know, but the point is that they lost the business, a LOT of business like that.

When you deal with 'outsourced', 'scripted' , 'cheap' labor, you get pathetic customer retention. If you don't care about keeping your customers, yeah, send them elsewhere.

Again, if you want quality , you pay quality. if you don't care, you ship the 'customer service' area elsewhere. If you DO that though, you run a strong risk of losing a good deal of customers who will take their businesses to people who DO care.

You would think about it? You would be legally obligated to! If the person is working in Canada, you are bound by Canadian minimum wage laws. If they're in the US, then US laws.

Not True. There are no internet wages about By law we have to pay. There isn’t a internet law in Canada, or in the U.S, My Law Team Assures me.

Why the hell should I start him at 15 an hour if he doesn't work all those hours?

I was offering him 25 a month to begin with for a week, some of my workers get 15 dollars a hour, That’s 15. I was willing to increase it after I saw his performance up to 15 an hour.


Regards

Not True. There are no internet wages about By law we have to pay. There isn’t a internet law in Canada, or in the U.S, My Law Team Assures me.


Perhaps you need to pay your "Law Team" more than $4.50 an hour. :rolleyes:

--Tina

There are no internet wages about By law we have to pay

So, Canada has no federal minimum wage?
Nice!

My law team is one of the top In Canada. They get wayy more than $4.50.

I talked to Government Officals, There Is NOT Wage Law Online, nor is it listed on any site on the FTC, BBB, Canadian Government, etc

I was offering him 25 a month to begin with for a week, some of my workers get 15 dollars a hour, That’s 15. I was willing to increase it after I saw his performance and that he was active, up to 15 an hour.


Regards,
Catlin Wells,

<<Signatures need to be setup in your control panel>>

We are not obligated by law to meet the wage online, when they are NOT Adults and half of the time not legally entitled to work because of their ages, etc

Sorry bout Double Post.

My law team is one of the top In Canada. They get wayy more than $4.50.

I talked to Government Officals, There Is NOT Wage Law Online, nor is it listed on any site on the FTC, BBB, Canadian Government, etc

I was offering him 25 a month to begin with for a week, some of my workers get 15 dollars a hour, That’s 15. I was willing to increase it after I saw his performance and that he was active, up to 15 an hour.


Regards,
Catlin Wells,

<<Signatures need to be setup in your control panel>>


You talked to the BBB and FTC about wage law in Canada?

You were willing to pay him $15 an hour after you said this: "You really think people pay normal wages online?"

How do you offer someone $25 a month for one week? A month has approximately 30 days in it. A week has seven. :eek:

No offense, but you're not making much sense.

--Tina

We are not obligated by law to meet the wage online, when they are NOT Adults and half of the time not legally entitled to work because of their ages, etc


You're not obligated to meet the minimum wage when you hire minors illegally?

--Tina

I will NOT meet any min wage, nor will I be forced too until I see that the staff I hire are active, and know their stuff, and then I pay more than the min wage, I will run my company as I see fit like I’ve done since 1999.

All my staff under the age of eighteen, I have consent from their parents, Signed and I have their contact information so I can talk to the parents. I also tell them to worry about school first and their job second. Its Like a Apprenticeship.

Do I know the age of Drew? But No, He freaks out and posts it on WHT, Remember Folks, MSN Chat logs can be edited.

I run a 8 Million dollar corporation and have since 1999, You think I don’t know how to run it and haven't dealt with these situations before?

Keep Going, I have all day to debate this with you all.

We are not obligated by law to meet the wage online, when they are NOT Adults and half of the time not legally entitled to work because of their ages, etc

Sorry bout Double Post.

Are you running a business in Canada?
If so, then you are required to live up to minimum wage requirements. If you require the individual to work for you, at dedicated times, you are required to pay them minimum wages according to the appropriate province. This, directly from your government website (http://www.rhdsc.gc.ca/en/labour/employment_standards/federal/wages/minimum.shtml)


Employees—other than registered apprentices—must receive at least the minimum wage, which is paid at the same rate regardless of age or status as a student. It is based on an hourly rate or an equivalent calculation. Apprentices being trained on the job that are registered under and paid according to a provincial apprenticeship act are exempt from minimum wage standards.


Fire your lawyers, they've just been shown up by google search.
Oh, there IS an exception to that law, and ONLY ONE

There is another case when employees may receive less than the minimum wage. When room and/or board are provided by an employer and the arrangement is accepted by the employee, the employee’s wages may be reduced below the minimum wage, but not by more than 50 cents per meal and 60 cents per day for lodging. For example, if the employer provides three meals a day ($1.50) and lodging (60 cents), then a total of $2.10 will be deducted per day from the employee's wages.

Now, I really doubt you're paying room and board, or that this individual is a federally registered 'apprentice'.

If you do business in a country and require individuals to be somewhere FOR that business AT a certain time, you are legally obligated to provide the federally mandated minimum wage. This is universal, whether you're in Canada, US, UK, wherever. Just because it is 'online' work does NOT mean that it is exempt from the law. Any lawyer worth his (or her) salt will tell you that, and will refer you to the VERY PAGE I just found (with a 5 minute google search).

Edit:
As far as age, that does not factor in. Again, according the government pages (http://www.rhdsc.gc.ca/en/labour/publications/employment_standards/minimum_wages.shtml) again

4. Is there a special minimum rate for employees under 17 years of age?

No. The rate for employees under the age of 17 is the same as for employees 17 and over. Where minimum hourly rates for a province or a territory are fixed on the basis of age, the minimum hourly rate for that province or territory is the highest of those rates.
5. Is there a special rate for students?

No. The minimum rate applies to students in the same manner as to other classes of employees.

You guys crack me up. These are the same people that refuse to believe you aren't required to W2 their full time employees, much less file their taxes quarterly.

I run a 8 Million dollar corporation and have since 1999

Your "8 million dollar" corporation needs to spellcheck your website.

"Our highly maitenenced".

That and half the links don't work. :(

Also, your domain was registered in April 2008? I thought you'd been in business since 1999?

Originally Posted by Catlin View Post
I will NOT meet any min wage, nor will I be forced too until I see that the staff I hire are active, and know their stuff, and then I pay more than the min wage, I will run my company as I see fit like I’ve done since 1999.

All my staff under the age of eighteen, I have consent from their parents, Signed and I have their contact information so I can talk to the parents. I also tell them to worry about school first and their job second. Its Like a Apprenticeship.

Do I know the age of Drew? But No, He freaks out and posts it on WHT, Remember Folks, MSN Chat logs can be edited.

I run a 8 Million dollar corporation and have since 1999, You think I don’t know how to run it and haven't dealt with these situations before?

Keep Going, I have all day to debate this with you all.

wow - you want me to be impressed that you built an $8M/year company on the backs of child labour???

Ill be more impressed when you can do it, as many of us have - with a real, qualified, ADULT workforce making enough money to pay their bills and such...

I run a 8 Million dollar corporation and have since 1999, You think I don’t know how to run it and haven't dealt with these situations before?If you run a 8 million dollar company, then you should have enough money to give them to start out with instead of peanuts. Not to mention having a web site that works. (if mgshosting.com/ is you) No one is telling you how to run your company, we're just telling the OP that he can get better offers else where.

Does this also mean outsourcing is illegal? I mean companies like Rogers enter into contract with other companies in India to provision tech support over the phone and we know they don't pay even close to the minimum wage as they are governed by their own employment legislation.
The question is what if somebody who is Canadian / US citizen hires someone from lets say India. Do they still have to meet the minimum wage requirement or would the contract be illegal?

Does this also mean outsourcing is illegal? I mean companies like Rogers enter into contract with other companies in India to provision tech support over the phone and we know they don't pay even close to the minimum wage as they are governed by their own employment legislation.
The question is what if somebody who is Canadian / US citizen hires someone from lets say India. Do they still have to meet the minimum wage requirement or would the contract be illegal?


Outsourcing to a COMPANY and paying them whatever they ask for is not illegal. A B2B transaction is entirely different than hiring someone.

--Tina

Does this also mean outsourcing is illegal?

No, and why has been explained in the thread already:

When you outsource something to a company, you are not paying their wages directly. You are paying a company X amount of dollars to provide a service.

When you hire an individual, you are directly paying their wages. When you hire them and say be here X hours, they are your employee for X hours. You are required to file taxes and maintain minimum work environments, as well as adhere to all legal standards.

Of course most major companies outsource to India, because they're cheap. They don't have to worry about the customer satisfaction end of things. This is fully legal, though it should be the opposite.

The problem is that this individual is not part of an 'outsourcing' organization, they are a sole individual. Thusly, the company is obligated to pay full wages, and keep full documentation of employment.

I run a 8 Million dollar corporation and have since 1999, You think I don’t know how to run it and haven't dealt with these situations before.]

That's cute, since you're only 15 or 16...

I also find it very amusing that you claim to be in the Armed Forces serving as an officer. Unfortunately for you, our Military respects honor and integrity, both of which you lack.

Disgraceful. :rolleyes:

So this is how you save money and be ethical/legal at the same time. Don't hire an individual but hire a B2B firm who would pay around $300 per month to each employee. Please educate me why there is need to outsource when there is qualified workforce available in Canada?

Please educate me why there is need to outsource when there is qualified workforce available in Canada?

Because people, by nature are cheap. They want everything for nothing, and want all profits for them.

If it saves the exec $1, that's $1 more he (or she) can put into their own pocket.

Unfortunately, the mentality is no longer "we want local", it's "We want money". The almighty dollar(pound, yen, etc) has made individuals greedy as all hell, and they'll do anything they can, including dumping labor off on some 3rd world country, to keep lining their pockets with more.

I also find it very amusing that you claim to be in the Armed Forces serving as an officer. Unfortunately for you, our Military respects honor and integrity, both of which you lack.Pat, am I missing something here? Sources on military serving for Catlin...I'm just confused?

To the outsourcing sub topic, it's interesting how big companies are outsourcing to India and then some keep call centers her for their business/enterprise class customers. I call dibs on that marketing. (if you get my drift.)

Pat, am I missing something here? Sources on military serving for Catlin...I'm just confused?

Age Reference #1:
http://www.freewebhostingtalk.com/member.php?u=5667

Age Reference #2:
http://www.totalgamingnetwork.com/main/member.php?u=79268

Military Reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dell970#What_Im_In_Too

"I am currently serving in the Canadian Forces As a Officer."

If someone is working from home they're most likely doing something with their time other than focusing on your company (eg. nothing, other jobs etc.) and as such there is no requirement or even expectation to pay an unskilled worker a minimum wage for this.

I've worked with/trained some of the technical support managers and representatives that work for Dell, they are bright folks some of them.

I will say that $0.63 or $2.50 is not a fair wage to pay someone for technical support, and there are definitely positions that can be obtained that pay comparable rates to what you would get onsite. However, posting an IM conversation on a public thread was not the most professional way to bring this subject to light.

We recently began accepting resumes for both onsite and offsite sales people, I was amazed by the amount of applicants who either had no relevant experience or no secondary education beyond high-school, but expected an obscene amount of money plus commission. My favorite was the highschool drop-out who eMailed me his resume (full of typos), then called to make sure I got it; his previous sales experience was upselling condiments at Blimpies, his other jobs were as a janitor and as a drill press operator. He expected $17.00+ an hour plus commission.

By the way, any thoughts or experience on hosting sales tactics?

-fin
Thales

If someone is working from home they're most likely doing something with their time other than focusing on your company (eg. nothing, other jobs etc.) and as such there is no requirement or even expectation to pay an unskilled worker a minimum wage for this.

Not so.
You're still responsible for paying your employees the federally mandated minimums, as required by law.

You are responsible for your company following the letter of the law, which dictates the minimums you may pay an employee. Just because it's an "Online" job doesn't excuse your cheapness.

If someone is working from home they're most likely doing something with their time other than focusing on your company (eg. nothing, other jobs etc.) and as such there is no requirement or even expectation to pay an unskilled worker a minimum wage for this.I must be an unskilled worker. Excuse me, I have to go fire my self.

Two of my family members do transcription work from home. They are usually typing away 7 to 10 hours each day, 5 days a week (sometimes 6). I guess they are unskilled also. The company work for has both on site and remote people. I guess the remote people should be fired.

Working from home does take dedication, no question of that. But paying someone less just because they work from home invites them to work else where while they are working for you. This can cause them to pick which company is more important to them and deal with something at important at one company instead of the other.

The question is what if somebody who is Canadian / US citizen hires someone from lets say India. Do they still have to meet the minimum wage requirement or would the contract be illegal?

They would be subject to the wage laws of the country where their employee is located. The minimum wage in India is going to be a lot different than in the US, since the cost of living in India is much cheaper.

That's cute, since you're only 15 or 16...

And looking for employment, according to the WHT profile.

Occupation: Looking to be hired

Let's hope potential employers don't find this thread!

lol, amazing how the $8 million business guy has completely disappeared from the thread...

You really think people pay normal wages online?

I was offering you $4.50 a hour.

Who in the right mind pays $200+ dollars for a online workerr? Maybe if you were at the corp office, I would think about it.

No one does.

"its online who the **** really pays normal wage online
no one"

Perhaps you should think about the way you speak to people, especially potential employees?!

Occupation: Looking to be hired

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=682474

Interesting how he says his hosting service is INC in this thread but LLC in that thread?

lol, gotta love kids that can't even lie well.

Thanks for the great laugh everyone. Gotta love these enjoyable threads every once and a while.

And the bonus... I just searched Google for MGS Hosting...

http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4DACA_en-GBCA270CA270&q=MGS+Hosting

LMFAO, first result is this thread.

I don't see the difference between being in the office, or being on the phone. Many companies allow their employees to telecommute, even employees who live in the same city as the office. I am not talking about reseller hosts either.. I am talking about large non-hosting companies.

To be honest, I wouldn't feel comfortable being involved with a company who pays such a poor hourly wage. No one who was qualified for the position (whatever it may be), would accept such a small wage.

Just ignore the flake, and keep looking for a decent job.

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=682474

Interesting how he says his hosting service is INC in this thread but LLC in that thread?
Also interesting considering you cannot form a LLC in Canada, it would be a LTD.

You guys are idiots, Glad I went to bed early last night.

eHosting4you is a LLC, Thats right.

MGSHosting is a Inc, it was registered in the US.

Heres what Im doing,

I dont give a rats *** what you people think, I will pay my workers as little or as much as I want too. If you dont like it, thems the break, Create your own "Hosting Company" and pay your staff as much as you want.

lmao, Tina, Srry if I didnt make myself clear. All My Staff, I hire are put on a trial of a week, to see if they are active, etc, Sometimes these trials go on for a month, depending on the sit, If it was to go on, he would only make 25 to 100 dollars. Once he finished the trial, he gets paid from 7 dollars a Hour up to 15 MAX.

LOl, Mekhu, I bet your Teamspeak host is un registered with Teamspeak, bet you dont got a license. You people keep going on in your little worlds thinking I have to pay my staff min wage that are online and in other countries. Guess what? Im not gonna :)

That's cute, since you're only 15 or 16...

You find that cute Pat H? I find you cute, that you do a Google search on my name and the first 3 names you pull up, you think that’s its me, Amazing how lots of people have THE SAME NAME.


Your a loser, Pat H, I’m a lot older than you are, thanks for telling us that your 15-16.

Nice links to Wiki and TotalGamingNetwork. Too bad They have nothing to do with me, you great idiot.

Also, your domain was registered in April 2008? I thought you'd been in business since 1999?

Amazing how we operated under a different domain before. Thats why the WHOIS shows April 2008.

Now, Im not gonna read this thread anymore or reply, as I see enough losers as it is.

Now, Im not gonna read this thread anymore or reply, as I see enough losers as it is.

Aww, don't pack up your toys and run off? :(

Amazing how we operated under a different domain before. Thats why the WHOIS shows April 2008.

May I ask which domain you operated under prior to April 2008?

Wow, and he avoids the facts.
Not surprising from a kid.

Wow.. I would guess we put him in a bad mood. :mad: He dropped the I (idiot) and the L (loser) words. :eek:

I really feel bad for his employees, because it looks like he does not value their skill. Well.. to each their own. :beer:

If someone is working from home they're most likely doing something with their time other than focusing on your company (eg. nothing, other jobs etc.) and as such there is no requirement or even expectation to pay an unskilled worker a minimum wage for this.

I just absolutely love it when I hear people say things like this. I've had the pleasure of working with a 100% telecommuted development staff in the past. Guess what? They were by far the strongest team I ever had the pleasure of working with. I've never seen a group of people more dedicated to their job in my life. They started work earlier than most people, and put in more hours than the average person who comes into the office.

Companies such as Oracle and Microsoft have been telecommuting part of their staff for years. They find it saves a considerable amount of money, and doesn't restrict them to finding a quality candidate in one area. They don't have to pay relocation, and they don't have to ask people to uproot their familes.

If you've seen otherwise in your experiences, I would say you hired the wrong people.

there are alot of non-producive people and activity going on in the office environment too.

personal phone calls, im'ing, txt'ing, youtube'n, chatting, blogging, emailing, extendo lunches, sick leave, tardiness, vet, doctor, kid sick, car broke, parties, bs meetings, etc.

you would be lucky to get 50% of what you pay for as an employer.

Wait a minute. The $8 million biz kid says the 2.5$ an hour is just for trial up to a month, then 7 to 15$ after trial is complete. Either you are a complete liar or I am missing something, since you said nobody pays these hourly rates for online work (I guess after the month the employee continues working online right?)...

there are alot of non-producive people and activity going on in the office environment too.

personal phone calls, im'ing, txt'ing, youtube'n, chatting, blogging, emailing, extendo lunches, sick leave, tardiness, vet, doctor, kid sick, car broke, parties, bs meetings, etc.

you would be lucky to get 50% of what you pay for as an employer.

Yeah I think most estimate they get 4 hours or so of actual work for an employee working 8 hours in an office.

Person comes in they go to get a coffee that takes an hour they run into people. They come back and now it's time to check their email and maybe check the news. Next think you know it's 11:00 so they start a bit of work then it's lunch time!

It depends on what the person is doing but most slack off quite a bit and they don't even realize it.

Catlin, I dont think it was a great idea to already ruin your reputation at WebHostingTalk when in the hosting industry as a small host :o

Noooo, don't quit posting. I haven't had this much fun with a WHT thread in a long time.

My only suggestion, walk upstairs and wake your daddy and have him type your responses. Your posts just scream your age and let us tell you, over 16 YOU ARE NOT :)

BTW, you might want to report our company to TeamSpeak for having an illegal license. Damn... I can't believe you caught us.

Wait a minute. The $8 million biz kid says the 2.5$ an hour is just for trial up to a month, then 7 to 15$ after trial is complete. Either you are a complete liar or I am missing something, since you said nobody pays these hourly rates for online work (I guess after the month the employee continues working online right?)...


I already called him out on that a few days ago. He's yet to respond. ;)

--Tina

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=682474

"Hello All, Im Catlin Wells, and I have decided to step foward and offer my services. I hold a master's degree in eCommerce, Web design and IT engineering from the University of Fredericton. I have along online history, with jobs at MGS HostingServices LLC, The FBox Network, etc."

So, MGS Hosting Services Inc, is apparently a different company then you posted about being associated with a couple months ago. No let me guess... you changed the business to an Inc.

I don't imagine at this point you're going to come forward with the domain for your company. As close as I can come up with is http://www.mgshosting.net/ But, that just shows a bajillion more inconsistencies. So it probably is.

I wonder if you'll even mention what state your business is registered in?

That's cute, since you're only 15 or 16...

I also find it very amusing that you claim to be in the Armed Forces serving as an officer. Unfortunately for you, our Military respects honor and integrity, both of which you lack.

Disgraceful. :rolleyes:

He did deny association with the profiles listed, however, I will say, if you are impersonating an Officer for ANY reason regardless of the Government associated, it could easily land you in a heap of trouble.

Jon, who is the other Co-Owner of AirborneFive served in the US Military and will soon be enlisting in the USMC and I can guarantee they do not take such cases lightly. I would imagine the Canadian Armed Forces wouldn't either.

I am not saying you are in fact impersonating an officer, however, if you are, drop it. Too much has happened to be acting so childish to such a degree.

If the user is in fact not you and you're telling the truth, then disregard the last sentence.


In either case, I really believe this thread has blown way out of proportion rather quickly and the back and forth bickering really isn't doing the OP any good, nor are the statements from the owner...

lol at this thread it was a good laugh.