I've been out of the loop for a while on Cyberwings and was wondering what their status was.

Has Shawn gotten more servers up?

Have more accounts been rebuilt?

Has EVERYONE gotten the promised refunds?

Robert

I'm curious myself Robert - I know some people got their refunds, but I'm not certain if all did...

Last thing I heard was 3 weeks ago, Shawn had rebuilt 30 accounts. I'm support ticket #1700. I just want to use the 12GB transfer per month for the $1/year I paid :)

At this point, I really don't care, because I never intended on relying on Cyberwings (you get what you pay for).

Edit: Robert, thanks for turning on the Cyberwing Rackshack servers before you reformatted them - I wasn't on those servers, but it shows a great business attitude.

- Matt

My Refund Ticket is in the 2000s
I havent heard anything from CW.
JFWS

For the most current information on CW..........check here

www.cyberwingsowesmemoney.com

Mac is keeping a daily log of events

Of particular interest is Aug 17th and August 18,and 20

only 2 accounts that are known for sure back up and only 3 refunds that have come directly from CW (not either 2checkout or paypal)

Last I heard (I don't think there's been a change since then) is that there is one customer server up, and it's full. Shawn claimed to have more on hand, but staff admits that they can't confirm that(and it's been long enough that I'm sure no one is buying that anymore). Supposedly they weren't online due to a "cabling issue"...The chat room is under martial law - the banner simply states "The Room will remain moderated". Period, end of story.

I'm one of the few account that is up - I don't have much of a site, so it's not costing them much to host it. Heck, I'm not even using the email addresses I set up - guess I don't want to rely onthem and have them fail.

Finally, Headsurfer, let me say that you are a class act. It didn't help me any, but that gesture you made to CW customers was greatly appreciated. If you should ever get the chance to talk to Shawn (doubtful, his own staff doesn't seem to have talked to him in a while), you might explain to him what customer service is all about.

Originally posted by mainarea
I just want to use the 12GB transfer per month for the $1/year I paid :)

12GB PER MONTH FOR $1

HAHAHHA

what a joke
i had no idea it was that bad

What's amazing is people still think they are going to get 12 for 1/yr even after all the incredibly obvious BS surrounding CW...

Come one dude, you were never going to get that much bandwidth for a buck a year! You still aren't! Shawn is a fraud, his company is bankrupt, and it is highly doubtful that anyone will see any refunds that aren't issued by paypal, 2checkout, or their visa card!

Stop waving your lighter and singing kumbaya. Jesus.

"woah is me, I just want what I paid for"

ahhahahahah ahhahahahhaha

You didn't pay for that much bandwidth! You got scammed! Now, run along, find a real webhost, and pay the average industry funds to get your necessary bandwidth.

-----------------

BTW headsurfer - I went *from* rackshack *to* CW on a whim, and moved my site back right when all this crap went down. Luckily I had my stuff backed up, but if I hadn't, my information was available for backup since you were so kind to put the servers back online for the 24 hr. period. Kudos to you. I shall not stray again... haha

wow... i just checked out the site and.. well wow.. we offer bandwidth, but yeah... it comes at a price for us as well. shwow! :eek: :eek:

I wasn't serious when I said that I wanted to use my 12GB of transfer for the $1 I paid - I currently pay $30+ per month for 2 excellent hosts (55GB transfer total), and I'm going to get a dedicated server soon.

When my account gets setup at Cyberwings (if it ever does), I'll upload some MP3s, and download them constantly, just to hit the 12GB/month and have Cyberwings lose even more money.

- Matt

When my account gets setup at Cyberwings (if it ever does), I'll upload some MP3s, and download them constantly, just to hit the 12GB/month and have Cyberwings lose even more money. Oh ...

I seem to be one of those three who got their money back directly from Shawn($2.70).

IMO, if you haven't gotten your site back or refund from some other source already, you're not likely to.

Originally posted by mainarea
When my account gets setup at Cyberwings (if it ever does), I'll upload some MP3s, and download them constantly, just to hit the 12GB/month and have Cyberwings lose even more money.

- Matt

:D :eek:

Originally posted by mainarea
I wasn't serious when I said that I wanted to use my 12GB of transfer for the $1 I paid - I currently pay $30+ per month for 2 excellent hosts (55GB transfer total), and I'm going to get a dedicated server soon.

When my account gets setup at Cyberwings (if it ever does), I'll upload some MP3s, and download them constantly, just to hit the 12GB/month and have Cyberwings lose even more money.

- Matt

heh :D

cyberwings could have been quite profitable with those figures, if you provide a terrible service, people pre-pay for a year, the service is functional, but really stinks, then noone uses the resources and just gives you money in theory :eek: :laugh:

One of Shawn's next plans is to venture into the adult hosting business. The idea is to make money until the cyberwings episode blows over.

Past that, Macsamuri's Page (http://www.cyberwingsowesmemoney.com) has the latest day to day blows.

It looks like Shawn mailed a few, three, money orders out to people. 2Checkout has done a nice job on refunds, while PayPal folks have had to seek help from their CC companies if they paid by CC.

That leaves people with large amounts due, PayPal account users and miscellaneous folks who paid by money order. The
Yepo (http://www.yepo.com) site is trakcing the refund requests.

Been waiting for a $3 refund for over a month LOL.

Poor Shawn cant refund $3.

I gotta thank 2checkout, they got me my refund done in one day. that's really :cool: in my book.

nebby: whtad you get back? $3.00? :D

classics

i hope you really aren't waiting for a $3 refund :)
that would be sad.

Why is that sad?

For some people $3.00 is a nice amount of money. I mean it'd take me five minutes to find that in the couch. :-)

Today's news is that the helpdesk system they set up at:

Cyberwings Helpdesk (http://helpdesk.cyberwings.com)

is down. Perldesk cannot talk to the database.

This eliminates the *only* support avenue customers and victims had to communicate with Cyberwings.

I am still waiting on my $.25 :bawling: refund. I ordered 6GB of bandwidth and 150MB of space. I still haven't gotten my .25 cents back yet.

I'm am going to contact my attorney :bawling:

hahaha.. i was just about to announce that we would refund everyone's money from CW that was upset or such.. then i was thinking... "hmm, i'll be out some serious money.. i mean with everyone combined (with the $.25 transactions, i could be out a total of $5).. hmmm ;):D :) :eek:

I want to [now] seriously push getting my money back from Cyberwings for my reseller account that I purchased. I filed a buyer complain form with PayPal against Cyberwings, however my transaction was over 30 days ago (argh!). Is there any hope for me, and what else could I do?

Originally posted by technician
I want to [now] seriously push getting my money back from Cyberwings for my reseller account that I purchased. I filed a buyer complain form with PayPal against Cyberwings, however my transaction was over 30 days ago (argh!). Is there any hope for me, and what else could I do?

Check http://www.cyberwingsowesmemoney.com for information on what you can do to get your money back. Make sure you also file at http://ripoffreport.com , since Shawn seems to watch that site pretty carefully and has refunded most of the people who have complained there.

Good Luck :)

Hope is what keeps us alive... Nearly 10000 ppl are as concerned as u are..:(

Originally posted by ForumsAddict
Hope is what keeps us alive... Nearly 10000 ppl are as concerned as u are..:(

I dunno about that 10,000 figure. From what I've seen, Shawn's account of how many customers he had is just as truthful as everything else he said.

Shawn's account of how many customers he had is just as truthful as everything else he said.

Hmm u may be right ;)

actually, it was more like 12bucks, i had 4 accounts with 'em

Originally posted by porcupine
nebby: whtad you get back? $3.00? :D

were any legal actions ever initiated? It'd be odd that someone would start something for $3 but if many people came together..?

it just seems more ppl are hellbent on publicizing someone's insufficient business skills than actually solve it.

Actually, that is a gross misconception.

People have done something about it.

All you have to do is look at Cyberwings Owes Me Money (http://www.cyberwingsowesmemoney.com) and you will see a checklist for places to report the issue.

Actually, I heard from a new customer who had to call GoDaddy to get their domain wrested away, that the guy at GoDaddy said that there were over 10,000 domains transferred away from CW.

$1 - why wait or waste your time wanting a refund. :eek:

All these cyberwings urls. :rolleyes:

The number of customers was always stated to be around 5000 or so. They claimed to host 1600 sites, which is a totally different figure.

Originally posted by Dixiesys
Actually, I heard from a new customer who had to call GoDaddy to get their domain wrested away, that the guy at GoDaddy said that there were over 10,000 domains transferred away from CW.

Holy $hit

.... and to think I never even heard of Cyber Wings a few months ago.

Uhm.. you're missing a few zeros there. Shawn claimed to be hosting 16,000 web sites.

:cool: From the user id which I first purchased hosting...he had 71+ customers. Is no longer registered.

here is his history...interesting aint it :)

User ID History for cwings2001
User ID History Effective Date End Date
maineboys2001 Sunday, May 20, 2001 Wednesday, Jul 04, 2001
www.myultimatediet.com Wednesday, Jul 04, 2001 Saturday, Aug 04, 2001
cwings2001 Saturday, Aug 04, 2001 User Suspended not a registered user

*** - Parts of prior User IDs that are email addresses are concealed
to protect member privacy.
This customer is not a registered user.

Originally posted by TheTech
Uhm.. you're missing a few zeros there. Shawn claimed to be hosting 16,000 web sites.

and to think, at one time he actually pulled in $16,000 :)

Hahaha god what a liar "THAT WASN'T ME ON USENET" haha so why's your (I assume this is) Ebay ID history show myultimatediet? hahahahar

Please say you sent this to the girl who runs cyberwingsowesme?

Originally posted by MP2100
:cool: From the user id which I first purchased hosting...he had 71+ customers. Is no longer registered.

here is his history...interesting aint it :)

User ID History for cwings2001
User ID History Effective Date End Date
maineboys2001 Sunday, May 20, 2001 Wednesday, Jul 04, 2001
www.myultimatediet.com Wednesday, Jul 04, 2001 Saturday, Aug 04, 2001
cwings2001 Saturday, Aug 04, 2001 User Suspended not a registered user

*** - Parts of prior User IDs that are email addresses are concealed
to protect member privacy.
This customer is not a registered user.

Originally posted by Dixiesys
Please say you sent this to the girl who runs cyberwingsowesme?



heh heh heh... i'm on it :) i'll post it tonite. busy day today...

Could the chick who runs cyberwingsowesmemoney get me a beer? :stickout

Whois Server Version 1.3

Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

CYBERWINGS.COM.IS.A.SCAM.IMHO.SEE.CYBERWINGSOWESMEMONEY.COM.QUICKFIRE.ORG
CYBERWINGS.COM

To single out one record, look it up with "xxx", where xxx is one of the
of the records displayed above. If the records are the same, look them up
with "=xxx" to receive a full display for each record.

>>> Last update of whois database: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:50:43 EDT

The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
Registrars.



Seen at:
http://www.whois-search.com/index.php?query=cyberwings.com

:emlaugh: :emlaugh:

wwww, we must have been riding the same wave length, because i was JUST about to post that. What does that even mean? is whois.crsnic.net against cyberwings too? :)

[root@milkfish incoming]# whois cyberwings.com
[whois.crsnic.net]

Whois Server Version 1.3

Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

CYBERWINGS.COM.IS.A.SCAM.IMHO.SEE.CYBERWINGSOWESMEMONEY.COM.QUICKFIRE.ORG
CYBERWINGS.COM

To single out one record, look it up with "xxx", where xxx is one of the
of the records displayed above. If the records are the same, look them up
with "=xxx" to receive a full display for each record.

>>> Last update of whois database: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:50:43 EDT <<<

The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
Registrars.

:eek2: You mean..... Cyberwings isn't a legit business ..... I thought they were making millions

There goes my idea to offer unlimited disk space and unlimited bandwidth via InterNAP for $2/yr :bawling: :cartman:

Originally posted by MN-Carl
:eek2: You mean..... Cyberwings isn't a legit business ..... I thought they were making millions

There goes my idea to offer unlimited disk space and unlimited bandwidth via InterNAP for $2/yr :bawling: :cartman:

hey, its a great idea once you purchase your unlimited hard drives, and unlimited internet connection. i can smell the millions already.

How did someone put that into the WHOIS database?

http://www.cyberwingsowesmemoney.com/cwmemo.html

Headsurfer, I had no idea you were such a tyrant! :rolleyes:

Bravo...................Wonderful speech and almost believable but he forgets to mention the thousands of dollars he owes to previous customers from Cyberwings.................Where do they stand in his grand scheme? Out in the cold..........Out of luck? Or waiting for him to become an overnight success in his Adult hosting biz? So he can pay them back?

The lack of mention of all those people might be a hint as to their place in the scheme of things.

You know what? I bought a cyberwings account. One of the $8.95 ones. I couldn't access the site like the next day and then I came to the board seeing all the tears. :bawling:

So I called my Visa and got a refund. They refund under $10 with basically no questions asked. They don't even go after the company coz it's not worth their money/time/effort.

Nice little scam the owner of cyberwings has going. :mad: I got my refund, but we all have to pay for all those refunds in our service charges and card fees on our credit cards. :mad: :mad: :angry: :mad:

how to do that with my domain?

like http://www.whois-search.com/index.php?query=cyberwings.com&submit=Search

Originally posted by RackFive
how to do that with my domain?

like http://www.whois-search.com/index.php?query=cyberwings.com&submit=Search

I have posted the explanation of how this was done at http://www.cyberwingsowesmemoney.com . It says:

"The 'whois' output for cyberwings.com is not a hacking/cracking at all. It's
a nameserver registered under my IP address using cyberwings.com in the
name. Thus, it shows up when users perform a whois on 'cyberwings.com'.

I've pulled it, though -- it should disappear within 48 hours. I've rebuilt
quickfire.org with another, more reputable host. - Alex"

Laurie aka macsamurai

Ah the old register a nameserver with a really long string trick. Oh yeah.

The latest. The helpdesk the boy setup to be used to process rebuilds and refunds has now crashed. If you got your refund already be happy as me I think Cyberwings was a learning experience. I disapoint myself, I am usually pretty good about sniffing out a scam. :angry:

how on earth hasn't this crook been sued and/or arrested yet?

Originally posted by skylab
how on earth hasn't this crook been sued and/or arrested yet?

He's been in hiding...soon enough, someone will finally catch him...

Mr cyberwings is still running away or trying to get his 'datacenter' back.

Seems to me some funds are missing here. Check with the DA in the county of record and see if action is pending.

Just put the crooks in jail.:mad:

i receive 20 $ from 2checkout. :D
btw . can't reach cyberwings helpdesk lol

We were having a Reseller account with CW and paid them over $250 in last 8mths. Now we also think that they are fraud and doing a business of making customers fool rather then hosting doing business. Our transactions are quite old with PayPal. We have filled a complaint with PayPal today! Can anyone suggest, is there any hope of getting our money back and how much time this will take.

Thanks.

Hello promotehost,

I belive that if you used a Credit card with PayPal
you have an option of requesting a chargeback to PayPay from Your
Credit Card Vendor.

See info on:
http://www.cyberwingsowesmemoney.com

JFWS

If you paid through PayPal using a credit card then you have a slight chance of getting your money back through a chargeback. This is only the case if you fall within your time limit for chargebacks.

If you paid with PayPal funds you are screwed.

First the latest on Cyberwing Communications, Inc. and Shawn J. White can be found at http://www.cyberwingsSUCKS.com/develop.htm

Next, as I've read through all the hosts yakking about how we should have known this was a scam I'm shaking my head (and also making notes of what host to NOT go with).

I paid $327.70 for a reseller account with cyberwings and yes, I got scammed big time. But only in hindsight tdo I see that I should have known better.

I saw the recommendations for cyberwings on this very board - over and over again. I hung around cyberwings IRC channel for well over 30 days before I purchased anything. I purchased a small monthly account and all went well for 3 months. By then I thought it was safe to buy something much larger.

Guess you guys are just too smart to ever be sucked in by someone, but not smart enough to have compassion for those that were.

katsuey: Its not hard to see something will lead to trouble when they're selling a service below a maintainable level. If you pay $3/year for a hosting account, even if things did go well, $3/year cant be sustained by anyone, what would you honestly expect?

Did you not read her post?

She mentioned she spent more than that and after she tested the service. As for the absolutley ridiculous sales, Shawn started those when he needed money for the bills.

Remember, he sold so many accounts that there was a queue to get created. Of course, that's because he didn't have the servers, but that's just a small thing. Add to that there was never a list of customers and you have the makings of fraud.

Originally posted by pgrote
Did you not read her post?

She mentioned she spent more than that and after she tested the service. As for the absolutley ridiculous sales, Shawn started those when he needed money for the bills.

Remember, he sold so many accounts that there was a queue to get created. Of course, that's because he didn't have the servers, but that's just a small thing. Add to that there was never a list of customers and you have the makings of fraud.

Did you possibly not read mine?

I wouldn't go with a service that was doing that if all was fine for a year if i didn't have solid evidence they were fine financially, if stuff doesen't add up, it doesen't matter if you get your service or not, it matters that stuff doesen't add up and will fall through.

Tons of companies sell a $10 service at $5 and will give it to you until the whole company collapses, that should always be an indication something is wrong, unless of course they've got backing to carry them 10 years without profit :D.

.I wouldn't go with a service that was doing that if all was fine for a year if i didn't have solid evidence they were fine financially, if stuff doesen't add up, it doesen't matter if you get your service or not, it matters that stuff doesen't add up and will fall through.

Whew ... fly by. That made no sense at all. You ask to see a credit report and financial statements from the owner?

As for the rest of us little people it's a balance between costs vs. expected service.



What exactly didn't add up in this situation, procupine? Please explain the obvious issues that Kat missed. I'd really like to hear.

Stuff did add up. For a period of four months you couldn't have asked for a better hosting company.

Shawn drove it into the ground and many people crashed with him.

Before jumping in and commenting about the situation learn about it. There are many threads, articles, etc. explaining what happened. There is a wonderful set of articles on my site that'll walk you through exactly what this sum bag did to people.

Granted the idiots who signed up for full year packages and a $1.00 a month deserved what they got. Those, like Kat, who signed up for services based on performance that was good don't.

Porcupine, where on earth did you get the idea I paid $3 a year for hosting? I certainly didn't say that!

Initially I paid $10 for a small reseller's account. Since I buy and resell hosting services I felt that it was a reasonable price, heck, a very good price. I thought that because of Plesk that's why it was so much cheaper.

I currently purchase space from a reliable person with a dedicated server and have more space and bandwidth than what I purchased from Cyberwings and I pay $25 a month.

Why should I have known that Mr. White was a scam artist? I don't go around suspecting people until they give me a reason. I did ask his customers and staff questions. I did try out his services for a reasonable period of time with a small committment.

I just happened to be one of the people who guppied up over $300 in June for more services because I was pleased with previous services. I even assisted people setting up an instructional site because I thought it was helping Cyberwings keep costs down.

I don't mean to be rude, but I would never want you for a host because I'd fear asking you what you might deem a "stupid" question and then get a very arrogant reply.

Kaysuey: I was actually implying the price cyberwings charged others for hosting, not everyone pays the same price, as far as im aware that was one of their cheaper accounts, which was my indication of an unsustainable business plan.

I'd say my favorite quote, but it would imply that you're stupid, and i dont think that, i suppose i'm just one of the people who saw a completely unsustainable business, and am calling it as so, you will not find any service in north america that sells for $3/year, and theres a reason for that, because it's not sustainable, the administrative costs are more then $3/year on most things, keeping track of customers for an example.

If you choose never to do business with my company, that is your decision, as is your interperetation of what i am trying to say, and im sorry you feel that way, but i just ask myself "can i picture ever doing a $3/year account" (ask yourself the same) and can you even hope to make back administrative costs of setting up the user? I can't imagine so, not in North America at least (i suppose if cyberwings was hosted out of china or something where labor costs are extremely low, it might have been viable).

Thats just my $0.02 though, maybe some people saw what they did as sustainable, who knows, maybe the webhosts around here, since we already know what is and what is not sustainable have an unfair advantage.

<edit>
BTW, pgrote, you dont need costs vs income sheets, only costs, and the lowest cost for support, bandwidth, and hardware are widely available. You dont need to see an income report, if you're selling a service that costs $10 for $5, i could care less how much you make, you're still in -$5 per sale, thats what i was trying to say. :D
</edit>

Porc,

You're missing an important part of the puzzle and I think this is why it looks like you're missing the boat.

The $3.00 accounts didn't start until wayyyyyyyyyy into this mess. After Kat and many other people ponied up money.

That's the key point. The low priced accounts didn't start until he needed quick money.

Originally posted by katsuey

I just happened to be one of the people who guppied up over $300 in June for more services because I was pleased with previous services. I even assisted people setting up an instructional site because I thought it was helping Cyberwings keep costs down.

I don't mean to be rude, but I would never want you for a host because I'd fear asking you what you might deem a "stupid" question and then get a very arrogant reply.

Well , there are people who "guppied" over a $1000 or more . Hell there was even King "guppies" who fell for that "ONLY 3 dedicated boxes left over from the Lightship move" - that was the "Pre-launch SALE" ..... hahhahaha - they were $400 each . :(

How stupid would they feel . But some of it does eventualy also come down to personal greed ..:rolleyes:

Originally posted by pgrote
Porc,

You're missing an important part of the puzzle and I think this is why it looks like you're missing the boat.

The $3.00 accounts didn't start until wayyyyyyyyyy into this mess. After Kat and many other people ponied up money.

That's the key point. The low priced accounts didn't start until he needed quick money.

That would be it then, for sure, if the evidence that they weren't providing a sustainable service was not evident until it was too late, then you're right, i would not have seen that coming. Cyberwings never really got my attention though, they never bought services from us, never really heard their name much until it came to the $10/year and under stuff.

If you ask me, anything under $20/year is really pushing it on the level of sustainability unless you have a fully automated system, i've been really wanting to get one of those, and am half done writing part of our database to handle that, because its a concept which i find interesting in shared hosting, where the resource is no longer the valuable aspect of the service, only the time it takes to setup.

fantasmic0:

I wouldn't go putting greed into the same category as the desire for ones business to be sucessfull :D, everyone wants to see "their baby" do well.

Originally posted by porcupine
If you ask me, anything under $20/year is really pushing it on the level of sustainability

You and I agree on that.

Originally posted by katsuey

Why should I have known that Mr. White was a scam artist? I don't go around suspecting people until they give me a reason. I did ask his customers and staff questions. I did try out his services for a reasonable period of time with a small committment.
...
I don't mean to be rude, but I would never want you for a host because I'd fear asking you what you might deem a "stupid" question and then get a very arrogant reply.
And to all those Web hosts who think CW customers "should have known better" what they were getting into (hi, porcupine!), you'd better seriously consider editing your posts about this. katsuey is right -- your unsympathetic comments show your lack of customer knowledge and in a more mature market, they will come back to haunt you.

"Hindsight is always 20-20," as they say. And if you think you need to rub it in by reminding that to those who've suffered Shawn's fraudulent practices, you'd better remember this -- he is a Web host. You are a Web host. Why should we believe anyone of your kind from now on? Reputation on this board? Shawn had a reputation. Customer testimonials? He had those too.

There's nothing in katsuey's experience to show that she didn't do her due diligence. Why do Web hosts expect their customers to be so clued in? Other professions don't. What would you say to a lawyer who told you "Man! Even after John Doe vs. Richard Roe, you thought you could win this case?! Get out of here!"

Why would anyone comment out their posts? Whats been said has been said, some of us had not followed the cyberwings decline as long as others, from when i started watching cyberwings, they were selling $3/year accounts, and as far back as my perspective goes, that was the start, so therefore, my statements remain as before, it was very plain for me to see it was not a sustainable venture.

If others had been with them for years prior to that, as i said that would be the missing piece to the puzzle as to why my logic did not match up there. Editing out posts is the last thing that should be done. "Lets pretend it never happened" is never a good thing to say the least.

Sorry to drag this one back up, but I thought it would be better than starting a new thread. Although, this is pretty good stuff that could quite possibly deserve it's own...

http://cyberwingsowesmemoney.com/crock.html

You know, companies sell products below cost everyday. There can be many reasons why this makes sense from a finanial point of view.

For example, super markets send out weekly flyers with items sold below cost. Steaks for $2.25 /lbs that normally sell for $6.95 /lbs. Their reasoning is that when you come into the store, chances are you'll buy enough other stuff at a good margin to offset the small loss on the steak. Or, in other cases, they have purchased too much of an item and prefer to get most of their money back, as opposed to losing it all. In still another case, a competitor advertises a lower cost and in order to keep their customer base, they may elect to match prices.

When ever I see this kind of marketing, I'm mostly looking for the bargin, not worring about the long term viabilty of the grocery store.

Most of us don't know what a colocation should cost. For that matter, I'm not sure what an ISP should charge. I do know that in my experience, what you pay for ISP or Hosting services has little to do with the performance of the provider. Some of the worst service I've run into has come form the 'Big Names' in both fields.

Finally, if a company desides to grow by using a lost-leader method, their business model must show how and when they will begin profitable operations. During the time before that break-even occurs, they must have funding from an outside source to survive. Here is where most such companies fail. They under estimate the time required and over estimate the 'source of income'. This then leads to the dot-comm disapointments.

However, if you remember, not all such companies fail. E-bay, Amazon and Yahoo all lost huge amounts of money in the startup phase. Maybe that's what Shawn was trying to do.

Stan

Re:serambin

Your comments about selling below cost are true. They just don't apply to the cyberwings situation.

Prior to about March of this year, cyberwings was providing a reasonably good service at an inexpensive price. Then a series of ridiculous "last ever" hosting sales at ever decreasing prices.

The prices at least had a lower limit of zero but the promises and claims by CEO Shawn were getting larger and had no upper limit. It's even hard to say with a straight face some of his statements were lies, they were s-o-o-o preposterous only a child would have believed them.

Stan,

You are right on some points, but as someone else mentioned these just did not correspond to Cyberwings.

They grew too fast and needed money. That is why they cut prices to get an unfusion of cash. Things happened and they lost it all.

Sad. Very sad.

Originally posted by pgrote
Stan,

You are right on some points, but as someone else mentioned these just did not correspond to Cyberwings.

They grew too fast and needed money. That is why they cut prices to get an unfusion of cash. Things happened and they lost it all.

Sad. Very sad.

The typical story of the dot.coms gone under if you read the Wall Street Journal or Barrons. All have the same song and end on the same note.

http://www.cyberwingsowesmemoney.com/bitchandmoan.txt

http://www.cyberwingsowesmemoney.com/bitchandmoan2.txt

Since we're dragging out old Cyberwings threads...:cartman:

Wow,

Seems like this guy was not very business savvy.

What a shame.

cw is gone, out of biz, and has not filled more than a couple refunds, most people got screwed. it may not have started as a scam, but it ended as one, thats for sure.

Here's a stupid question:

Does anyone know if there are any outstanding warrants out for Shawn? I noticed on cyberwingssucks.com's site that there are 4 lawsuits pending in the state of Maine, and that Mr. White is currently under investigation for fraudulent business practices. He has fled the state, and is currently hiding out...somewhere (the true mark of a stand-up guy). He owes hundreds of people thousands of dollars worth of refunds, but decided to declare bankruptcy and bail, leaving his customers, staff, and others high and dry (another mark of a honorable man). Can anyone find out if he's wanted at all? Do his alleged crimes qualify as "interstate," since he crossed state lines and received monies from people across the country?

Or maybe they're looking for "CEO-SHAWN" instead...

Wasnt Shawn down in DC getting the new datacenter ready?

Originally posted by MP2100
Wasnt Shawn down in DC getting the new datacenter ready?

There wasn't a datacenter. He was putting servers on a 100mbps non-resellable Cogent line. When Cogent found out about that, it was the final nail in the coffin.

CYBERWINGS STILL OWE ME MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amazing, i just read through all 6 pages at once and now im exhausted, heh. I'm naive for sure but it seems Shaun is willing to admit his mistakes and get CW back on its feet?

What the hell thread did you just read? I thought you said you you read all 6 pages?

He knew he was going out of business, so he went on a supersale - got people talking about it on all the bargain boards - got everyone in a tizzy and he reaped a metric buttload of cash in a small time.

Then a month later he said he had no money? Please. It's not like he was paying rent or lightspeed or rackshack - so where did the money go?

There's for complaints now, but shortly there will be many more now that there's a contact name and the ball is starting to roll.

-WC-

What do you mean "now that there's a contact name"? Did I miss something?