I know someone who owns a HUGE Invision Power Board forum. <<snipped>>

He is only on a shared hosting package with HostGator. He has about 3000 guests on his forums all the time.

HostGator definately DOES NOT oversell...

(Whois lookup gamingforums.ca if you don't believe me).

2858 guests, 33 members, 1 anonymous members


Something is fishy.... :cool:

You make no sense, that forum has nothing to do with overselling. They do oversell, they even admit they oversell :roll2:

You make no sense, that forum has nothing to do with overselling. They do oversell, they even admit they oversell :roll2:

They just do so responsibly, for the most part :)

You make no sense, that forum has nothing to do with overselling. They do oversell, they even admit they oversell :roll2:

Obviously NOT if a website can support that many people on a shared package. :rolleyes:

And since when do they admit they oversell?

Can you purchase their amount of bandwidth for that price: NO. Can they: NO. They oversell, they can support the forum because they don't overload their servers, it doesn't mean they don't oversell. Also those forum stats do look fishy...

Obviously NOT if a website can support that many people on a shared package. :rolleyes:

And since when do they admit they oversell?

http://blog.hostgator.com/2007/10/06/selling-out/

Obviously NOT if a website can support that many people on a shared package. :rolleyes:

And since when do they admit they oversell?
What does the amount of people online on a web site have to do with overselling? :buck:

Perhaps you should look up on their blog, they do oversell and are proud of it as a marketing scheme :eek3:

Obviously NOT if a website can support that many people on a shared package. :rolleyes:

And since when do they admit they oversell?

Overselling has nothing to do with supporting a forum, its about how much webspace & bandwidth they advertise and for how much.

Hatchling plan priced at $4.95 a month... 3TB of bandwidth, which is about equivalent to about 10mbit (assuming fairly constant use through the month). How much do you think they pay for their transit?

Ok, whatever. Just thought I should point it out...

Ok, whatever. Just thought I should point it out...

Or try to get traffic to your forum, heh, nice try.

Ok, whatever. Just thought I should point it out...
There is no point, this thread is absolutely useless or perhaps an attempt to spam your forums?

most likely a large proportion of those guests are just bots hammering away.

they have 7 showing on the board too.

http://whois.domaintools.com/gamingforums.ca

Reverse IP: 907 other sites hosted on this server.

don't that seem a little crowded to anyone else?

owm

2858 guests, 33 members, 1 anonymous members


Something is fishy.... :cool:


Look at the online list and the times ...it spans a period of over 24 hours a far cry from 3000 at a time.

edited to add: less than 10 in forum clicks in the last 5 minutes.

I wouldn't want to be on a server with another 906 sites that's for sure. :)

owm

Look at the online list and the times ...it spans a period of over 24 hours a far cry from 3000 at a time.

edited to add: less than 10 in forum clicks in the last 5 minutes.

The Answer is simple:).

The site stats looks fishy! Nothing more.

Proof of HostGator overselling written by HostGator Owner Brent Oxley from a blog entry straight from the big gator's mouth themselves.


Selling Out
Written by Brent Oxley on October 6, 2007 – 1:14 am -

Is HostGator “selling out”?

As many of you may already know, we have updated our shared hosting and reseller hosting plans yesterday. The plans went from crazy to just downright insane in terms of us adding HUGE amounts of disk space and bandwidth without increasing the price. I’m going to do my best to explain the whole situation and assure you that the new plans aren’t going to put HostGator out of business.

We have many customers who are going hysterical from being so happy about the plan increases. These are the same customers with whom the majority were using less then 1% of the old plan. It’s like going into an all you can eat buffet and being told you can eat more. I really don’t understand why everyone gets so excited because all we really did was go from unlimited to more unlimited.
Yes I said unlimited! The forbidden word we use to worn potential hosting customers to stay away from, and now HostGator has officially sold out and joined the competition with offering scam plans (we actually did this the last time when we increased our plans, but shhhh).

What exactly is unlimited? Well, I just got done going to the top 5 largest web hosting companies I could think of and the lowest plan I could find was for a few 100 gigs of disk space with thousands of gigs of bandwidth for less then $10 a month. These are all scam plans because like most hosts we have something called a Terms of Service that mentions CPU and memory limits. It is close to impossible to use what we are all selling you without being suspended for going over CPU and memory.

Of course many of you reading this will be shocked and rush off to one of our competitors to ask them if you can really use all the disk space and bandwidth without being suspended, and I’m positive they’ll tell you yes. In fact, my employees would have told you the same thing if they didn’t read this blog post.

Just ask yourself one thing…

How do all us shared web hosting companies sell more disk space and bandwidth for ten bucks then the dedicated server providers sell for hundreds?

It’s an easy concept really. Every web host has a terms of service with CPU and memory limits. If your website consumed too much of its share of CPU or memory then most web hosts will require you to upgrade. When you purchase a dedicated server you can’t get shut down for CPU or memory abuse so they have to sell you a plan based on what your site could use with less restrictions. At HostGator, we pretty much get an unlimited amount of bandwidth from our provider thanks to having thousands of servers. We also have 10,000’s of gigs disk space not being used. Giving away unlimited disk space and bandwidth doesn’t really cost us anything. It’s the CPU and memory that has a real value. A server will usually become extremely overloaded way before you ever get close to using the amount of disk quota and bandwidth it comes with.

If you plan on reading a hosting companies TOS to find out if they have CPU and memory limits it’s usually going to be a waste of time. We are all going to put some CPU and memory limit in there that can’t truly be tracked. However all us hosts have to provide a mystical usage number in order to answer a customers question which is… “how much CPU and memory can I use.” It really is as simple as if you crash a server or slow it down you will be suspended. At HostGator we put 200′ish customers per box and if the server load increases, it can generally be attributed to just one person on that server causing 90% of the problem. Sure, we have ways to track but in the end boils down to not wanting to sacrifice every other users’ experience on that same sever for just one or two websites using all the resources.

The number ends up being less then half a percent of customers per box that get suspended. I know this sounds terrible but if we didn’t suspend the .5% of customers that are a problem the other 99.5% would have many outages and slow load times. The .5% we suspend usually are the ones that even if they were on the server by them self they would still be crashing it. They are the ones that truly need dedicated servers.

Yeah I know how screwed up everything I just said is, but unfortunately this is the cut-throat marketplace that Hostgator is playing in. Take a look at our old hosting tips page written many years ago. Things have definitely changed since then. We’ve held out longer then any of the other larger hosts with offering these scam plans that I can think of, but in the end trying to educate potential customers has failed. It was either follow the trend to stay competitive or start shrinking as a company.

This is my plan for becoming so scummy…

Anyone we find crashing a server will be moved onto a server with only twenty accounts on it for the same monthly hosting price, instead of being suspended. Twenty customers will be paying us just shy of $200 a month on a server which at our cost has a $1,200 setup and about $250 a month leasing fee. You heard me… We are going to be giving abusers hosting below our cost. I’m not even factoring in merchant fees, support costs, or server administration time! If this isn’t good enough for the less then .5% of customers that crash our servers then there just isn’t any pleasing them.

I guarantee if HostGator starts sucking it’s not going to have anything to do with the crazy plans we are offering. Our new offering is no different then the last due to the TOS limiting the CPU and memory which is what truly affects performance. The reason most hosting companies start going downhill after a plan increase is a result from sales skyrocketing and the lack of man power to keep up with growth. If HostGator starts having this problem I’ll switch the site back to the old plans in a heartbeat. There’s no way I’m going to risk everything we built in exchange for a few more sales.

I could have lied as most hosting company blogs and CEO’s do by saying something along the lines of… “We are very excited that our growth has allowed us to negotiate better pricing which we are passing on to our customers in the form of larger plans.” HostGator is one of biggest hosting companies in the world so I know a statement like this is BS. I’m sure many of you will be upset with me writing this as the truth hurts, and I’m sure some of you would even prefer I lie to you, but really in the end honesty is the best way to go.


Couldn't have said it better myself.

Nice try, but that one doesn't mean a whole lot. x% of those guests are definitely bots - it could easily be a large proportion of them. 31 actual members on at a time is really not that much with a forum in terms of load.

your using IPB I know for a fact those numbers can be changed, the guests I mean.
You can either play around with settings or even install a mod that fakes activity.

EDIT I guess some one else mentioned that too.

You are highly wrong,

all those guests are fake, there is a mod for invision power board that will let you change that randomly like every minute.

I think I'd would know because.. I am a Invision Board GURU. So I highly know that their is a modification that can do that

You are all missing the point I made earlier, the 3000 stats are for a period of over a day.

http://whois.domaintools.com/gamingforums.ca

Reverse IP: 907 other sites hosted on this server.

don't that seem a little crowded to anyone else?

owm

Absolutely not. That is domains I could park 1000 domains and now suddenly the server should be deemed full? Also need to factor in the server specifications as well. You're not going to put the same number of sites on a 16 way system as you put on a old 2 way.

I don't know why people bring up silly numbers like this a server is full when the load is reaching levels that the host deems high enough to not justify anymore accounts. It's not the number of domains or accounts otherwise you run into issues of load when you don't meet the quota and still attempt to fill the machine.

/subscribes :)

I wouldn't want to be on a server with another 906 sites that's for sure. :)

owm

But do you think that those who don't oversell would follow the same ethics.

You are highly wrong,

all those guests are fake, there is a mod for invision power board that will let you change that randomly like every minute.

I think I'd would know because.. I am a Invision Board GURU. So I highly know that their is a modification that can do that
Yep I mentioned that too just above your post.

And that proves they don't oversell?

Thats right they dont oversell, they are extremeoversellers :)

:rofl: gator not overselling !! That will be the end of the world !!

Cheers

saying they don't oversell is like arnie saying he never took a steroid in his life. :)

owm

LOL so true.

Brent is doing a great job, he knows what he is doing.

Funnily enough Dan..I agree.

Brent seems to be doing a great job.

OWM

Overselling has nothing to do with supporting a forum, its about how much webspace & bandwidth they advertise and for how much.
You need to do a bit more work; there's more to selling hosting than disk space and bandwidth.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jortex http://www.webhostingtalk.com/whtimages_blue/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?p=5065530#post5065530)
Overselling has nothing to do with supporting a forum, its about how much webspace & bandwidth they advertise and for how much.

You need to do a bit more work; there's more to selling hosting than disk space and bandwidth.

Right, Its also about CPU which is usually maxed out long before bandwidth and disk space play a part. Most people don't even use 1% of bandwidth they have and if they are, they most likely need a dedicated or vps server.

Arnie just ate a lot of pasta and lifted lotsa weights!

The forum is playing a numbers game... easy to see...

What a pointless thread.

HostGator oversells, end of...

Does it really matter? Not really, it's their company, and they seem to be running it just fine, which comes to the difference of controlled overselling, and uncontrolled overselling which we will talk about tomorrow boys and girls :)

At first I thought this was a nice thread marketing wise for HG, then I read it and thought it was stupid and pointless and now with the nice comments about HG it looks once again like a marketing thread for them !

Either way numbers are just numbers, peformance is what matters.

You can have 1 site that brings a $800 server down or 500 sites that run fine on a $299 server. So numbers make no real difference in that sense.

Agree, to host 3000 concurrent user, cluster is necessary.

The forum is playing a numbers game... easy to see...

seems the OP took a vacation lol

/subscribes. ;)

You need to do a bit more work; there's more to selling hosting than disk space and bandwidth.

I agree but thats the basics of overselling and its the first thing most people see.

CPU Overusage? that can happen on any plan, even a measly 500mb / 10gb plan and has nothing to do with the webspace and bandwdith offered, all it takes is a poorly coded or runaway script.

If you ask people what they class as overselling then most will quote the webspace and bandwidth offered and for what price.

That sort of backs up my original post.

welcome
simple to know the total space

create a blank php file and put into it this :


<?
# change this to your web directory ex : /home/lol/
$partition = "/home/user/"; // dont forgette the "/" in the end

$free = @disk_free_space($partition);
$total = @disk_total_space($partition);
$free_sp = @round( $free / 1073741824 * 100 ) / 100 ;
$total_sp = @round( $total / 1073741824 * 100 ) / 100 ;
$used_sp = @round(($total_sp) - ($free_sp)) ;

echo ("total : $total_sp");
echo ("free : $free_sp");
echo ("used : $used_sp");
?>


test it out and tell me you will know the truth !
bye

welcome
simple to know the total space

create a blank php file and put into it this :



test it out and tell me you will know the truth !
bye
What the hell does this have to do with anything?

What a pointless thread.

HostGator oversells, end of...

Does it really matter? Not really, it's their company, and they seem to be running it just fine, which comes to the difference of controlled overselling, and uncontrolled overselling which we will talk about tomorrow boys and girls :)
Agreed.

Lol, they do to over sell.. And this topic seems useless now, so why hasnt it been closed 0.o

Overselling:
Who gives a flying you know what.
Stop bloody whinging about overselling, if you don't like it stay away, I used to be one who was totally against it, now I don't care, everyone has to do it to stay competitive, unless they're in some kind of niche.

Hostgator openly say they oversell, at that point the thread should have been locked, who cares about the forum, and the OP, he obviously doesn't have any ideas on how to advertise his site better.

This is one giant flame fest, all against one, like Julius Caesar's assassination.

End of thread, go back to something more interesting please people.

What the hell does this have to do with anything?

Take it easy ,

I think you dont know the php programming lang ?
This is a small script that give him the quota & HDD information
Total space
Used space
Free space

this script is safe and nothing dangerus in it :D
Hope you understand :agree:

Take it easy ,

I think you dont know the php programming lang ?
This is a small script that give him the quota & HDD information
Total space
Used space
Free space

this script is safe and nothing dangerus in it :D
Hope you understand :agree:
No, I understand the code fine, what I don't understand is what it has to do with this thread?

hmm he is saying that they dont overselling that mean they give true quota
600GB for example

so this will give him the right quota disk and he will know that these plans are overselling !
so if the space is overselling the bandwidth it is too :D

Or at all maybe i think i mis understand the overselling word ?

hmm he is saying that they dont overselling that mean they give true quota
600GB for example

so this will give him the right quota disk and he will know that these plans are overselling !
so if the space is overselling the bandwidth it is too :D

Or at all maybe i think i mis understand the overselling word ?

Technically , they are only duping people and noobs, cause they are overselling disk and bw only, not the CPU, thats hidden from plans when they are trying to signup somewhere in their TOS. And technically that becomes cheating for those new webmasters just seeking some space and bw for their site, they do not know that cpu is also involved.

Oh well let the duping game continue, but it makes me sick at times that there are such shameless hosts out there, using suck tactics to lure users into their grip !!:puke:

One should think about making others happy and not use cheap tactics just cause everyone is doing it !! Sheesh i feel so bad that people fall for their overselling trap. Oh well some folks have no ethics when it comes to hosting or any business. :mad:

But thats just how i think, everyone on their own !!