from their website..."MCHost is the leader of managed private-label reseller plan solutions for hosting companies in over 80 countries, powering over 2000 large web hosts and managing over 80,000 websites worldwide. "


I heard they have 35 servers for their resellers... so that means..

80,000 divide 35 servers = 2,285 accounts per server...

DAMN, that's a lot of accounts... esp when these servers are just standard P3 boxes... no wonder why the loads are always high :bawling:

Originally posted by universal2001
80,000 divide 35 servers = 2,285 accounts per server...

You might want to ask for the facts directly at the source before posting false statements on a public forum. We now have 90 servers in total, 35 for reseller plans and the rest are semi-dedicated and dedicated (mostly).

How many websites our dedicated clients put on their servers is up to them, we simply manage the servers.

lol thats alot of sites...

Originally posted by universal2001
no wonder why the loads are always high :bawling:

Do you have an account with us?

well i was right on saying that you got 35 servers for resellers.. :)

How many accounts do you put on each one?

lol, how long have you put this on your sig tag:

"-VirtualCP Control Panel Software Coming Soon-"

Just wondering if you have an account with us or why you think the loads are high :)

Hello,


Guys... Im just wondered why some of you once something crosses your mind, straight away type webhosttalk.com in your browsers and make a new threat ! From where did you get this statement ? It's really impossible to host that much amount per sites per server. It's 10% more than overloaded.

I believe reliable web hosting providers do not allow more than C1 Class ( 256 ) sites per their server. I've heard some are overloading it with 500-700. But C'mon, 2285 sites ?

Marc, Take it easy friend.

guys, this is not a threat! I was simply curious to know :)
If a webhost advertises something, they should back it up with evidence, otherwise a user will no doubt raise that question with community members...

wohoo i have just become a web host guru :) 300 posts

I guess he meant thread not threat :)

Originally posted by Gernot
I guess he meant thread not threat :)

Take it easy, he just wanted to made his No. 300 Post.


PS: universal2001, as a web hosting guru it's not nice to see you made such thread. You are guru man :)

Have phun friend.

Originally posted by HeadMaster

I believe reliable web hosting providers do not allow more than C1 Class ( 256 ) sites per their server. I've heard some are overloading it with 500-700. But C'mon, 2285 sites ?


Not necessarily, a dual P3 scsi machine can easily handle more than 255 sites, if they are all static html sites that only do a small amount of bandwidth each.

It's easy enough to bind multiple C classes to a machine too, so the IP's on the machine aren't really the limiting factor.

HeadMaster,

Would you mind telling people to take it easy? I haven't seen one threat or any 'BEWARES' yet, nor any backstabbing comments made by any members.

does the 80,000 include the sites hosted on your customers dedicated servers?

Yes, I believe sites hosted on the dedicated servers are included in the 80,000 total.Originally posted by Kiwi
How many websites our dedicated clients put on their servers is up to them, we simply manage the servers.

hehe, and now, someone will ask how much profit they make... come on, some companies don't even disclose how much clients/servers they have...:D

you can host thousands of sites on one server, I know this for a fact, over 4000 domains hosted on a single server, no load issue, no bandwidth issues, none, they run all the time.

I love the "number of domains per server" argument. It's so funny. My friend has a top of the line server and he fits a whopping 1 site on it. Gee, maybe this might have something to do with the fact that the site pushes 450GB/mth and uses about 29GB of storage space. :D :cartman:

Might the number of domains per server have something to do with what each domain has been promised as far as disk space and data transfer?? :laugh: :rolleyes:

Servers will always be populated as per the revenue they produce, not the "number of domains". Almost every host will populate their servers to a certian revenue level. I'd doubt there's hosts out there who populate a server as per the actual number of domains.

Yes, exactly...

I mean, what if a server had thousands of domains hosted on it, yet each account pulled in 0 MB of bandwidth per month and took up 0 MB of disk space? (Not to say that many companies have something like this going on, though.)

Originally posted by Aussie Bob
I love the "number of domains per server" argument.

There is no argument Bob. :-) As soon as one offers unlimited domains, to 1, 2 or even 20 clients on a single server, the reins have been dropped and the chances of that box presenting problems down the track is largely increased. The "even one site can bring a server to its knees" spin is not part of this additional risk because it has and will always be part of the overall risk, if you follow what I mean.

Cheers

Gary

Originally posted by Editor
There is no argument Bob. :-) As soon as one offers unlimited domains, to 1, 2 or even 20 clients on a single server, the reins have been dropped and the chances of that box presenting problems down the track is largely increased. The "even one site can bring a server to its knees" spin is not part of this additional risk because it has and will always be part of the overall risk, if you follow what I mean.[/B]
I follow exactly what you mean Gary. :)

Although this thread has a stupid Title (and the initial post isn't much better -- bored were we universal2001?) it hit the fan and then Marc stepped in it.

The first post tried to make a statement using unsubstantiated information.
The second post tried to cover & vilify that statement by using unsubstantiated information.

from their website..."MCHost is the leader of managed private-label reseller plan solutions for hosting companies in over 80 countries, powering over 2000 large web hosts and managing over 80,000 websites worldwide. "If that statement is true, you should have "facts" or at least imperical data to back it up, and someone makes a proper request to MCHost for the information, would be a lot better then dissing & dashing words here.

If the statement is not true (I don't believe most Marketing claims anyway) then MCHost would be doing a service to either correct the numbers or remove the statement. Or, why not just provide proof on your Web site, as to how these numbers are ascertained? Any claim made in Advertising must be answered and verified, when asked about it. Truth in Advertising, false advertising laws, something along those lines is what comes to my mind.

For anyone else trying to "do the math" you'll note that "managing 80,000 web sites" is mentioned; as opposed to "hosting" -- big difference.


[Edit: to remove any ambiguity, when I say I don't believe most Marketing claims, that applies to 99% of all companies in any industry.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program. :D]

Marc, what is the max number of customers or resellers that you put on one server?

Same question for AussieBob?

Inquiring minds want to know. :)

Marc, you forgot to explain why you've been advertising "VirtualCP coming soon" for more than 6 months. What's your definition of 'soon'?

I put 27 resellers maximum on a Dual Pentium 3 1 ghz, dual 36 gig scsi's

I've heard mchost puts 73? Or more.

hehehe....the water is getting a bit warm in here....;)

Originally posted by Samuel
I've heard mchost puts 73? Or more.

There is certainly no server with 73 resellers or anywhere close. There may be 73 (or whatever) reseller configuration files in the cpanel config folder, but remember that the ones of past clients are kept in there as well.

It is interesting how competitors are keeping this thread alive, even though false information was posted in the first post of this thread already.

We have never done any false advertising, all facts mentioned are based on our client data and if anyone thinks we're going to list all resellers and clients at WebHostingTalk (which would be the only way to prove it), i'm sorry but we won't. This is completely ridiculous. I believe our success and customer base speaks for itself.

Originally posted by Website Rob
For anyone else trying to "do the math" you'll note that "managing 80,000 web sites" is mentioned; as opposed to "hosting" -- big difference.

Big difference, where? If we manage 80,000 sites for clients, we are hosting them as well. I believe "hosting and managing 80,000 web sites" would be more appropiate then. Thanks for the suggestion.

For clients or future clients: Please contact us directly if you have any questions.

For competitors: If you are just jealous, questioning our facts or accusing us of false advertising, i have an advice for you. Go back to work and build your own success.

Website Rob: I just checked your website and tried to call your 24/7 tech support number, but only got an automated voicemail. I guess that could be considered false advertising as well?

For everyone else: Yes, we do host 80,000 websites. Yes, we do have almost 100 servers (90+). No, we will not make public all of our company database.

Interesting is it Kiwi?

Kiwi, you're getting touchy now days.

Your slant is in question, but it always has ahhaah.

I don't see where people are trying to take this thread. I think you just need to take a look at the MChost forum to prove Marc's point ;)

This should be locked before more 'slander' is discussed.

Originally posted by Samuel
Kiwi, you're getting touchy now days.

I simply replied with the facts that everyone was asking for. Please don't ask for answers if you don't want replies.

Originally posted by Samuel
Your slant is in question, but it always has ahhaah.

In my opinion, this is a very unprofessional way of talking about a competitor in public.

Have a good night, or good day, everyone :)

Kiwi, you know what unprofessional is?

Your stalling, your constant "Shortly"

People are sick of it, it's not unprofessional to state, it's a fact.

I just get sick of people posting threads about MCHost and watching you step in every now and again to post trite.

Unless a host has something to hide, I see no reason to be defensive or why a host would refuse to answer most questions about their service in a public forum. No one asked him for his client list. That was stretching it a bit.

Originally posted by Kiwi

There may be 73 (or whatever) reseller configuration files in the cpanel config folder, but remember that the ones of past clients are kept in there as well.


Another legitimate question... Why do you keep conf folder of past clients?

Originally posted by Kiwi


I simply replied with the facts that everyone was asking for. Please don't ask for answers if you don't want replies.



In my opinion, this is a very unprofessional way of talking about a competitor in public.

Have a good night, or good day, everyone :)

MCHost is no competitor of mine Mr Kiwi... haha

I don't overload my servers with bulk reseller "Unlimited Domain Accounts"

I had reseller accounts on your servers for over 8 months. YOur servers are overloaded, and you lie.

Rochen, that's not slander, I personally despise this Kiwi charachter =)

MChost is fine, Kiwi is what I despise.

Sam, before I read this thread I was already quite aware that Marc and yourself don't exactly see eye-to-eye on certain issues, however I thought you got that all cleared up, but I guess not.

Nope, I am sincere about actually despising this guy Kiwi.

I have been lied to by him more times than I care to state.

He is "Working" the net in a way I truly can't dig.

I hate liars, and I hate people who distort the truth with keeping information, and what information that is posted is "Slanted"

Originally posted by chrisb
No one asked him for his client list. That was stretching it a bit.

Do you have another way to show how many websites we host? I think the first post was already stretching it a "bit".

Samuel: I do not mind if you call me unprofessional, it is your opinion and choice to do so. At least i do not advertise my company under my own name in the Web Hosting Forum here at WHT. See http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31865&highlight=mbshost and note the how (Samuel Mann) you heard that MBSHost (your company) was a good provider. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by chrisb
Another legitimate question... Why do you keep conf folder of past clients?

Some clients decide to return to MCHost and find it good that their settings are not lost and they won't have to start over. By default, WHM will also not delete reseller settings.

Samuel: Please do not call me a liar if you are advertising your own company (see above) in an attempt to gain more customers because you "heard that they were a good provider".

I understand that you despise me, though. After all, you were banned from our forums because we've received dozens of complaints from current clients that you were harassing them.

Samuel, you never see me saying anything bad against you, but you're really pushing it here.

Originally posted by Samuel
I hate liars, and I hate people who distort the truth

I completely agree with you on that. See my previous reply as a reference.

'cuse me?

I simply made a statement that "any" Advertisement should be verifiable, that's all. I am not putting down anyone, but I do get tired of Advertisements that say, "We are #1", "We are the Best, the Tops, whatever". With no reference to why others also think the same. (i.e., statistical numbers as I mentioned before, comparing apples to apples)

If "any" company cannot back up their Marketing/Advertising claims, then they should not be making them. That is why there are laws against false advertising.

In my post, I did not say MCHost was cupable, only that, if someone makes a proper request to see the information that backs up the statement made on the MCHost Web site, it should be honoured. And suggestions to help prevent people from starting threads like this one.

Why are you flying off the handle?

Again, stating absolute bull ****

You never did finish that, and never responded to e-mails, never backed up your statements, and you certainly arent doing that now.

A thread was removed, and subsequently copied to me by request from chicken showing your crap.

I've promised not to post it back here, but believe me, your slant was in play then, as it is here.

I am not advertising

The only time I contact people on this forum is to help them, not to "Make Money" off them.

Every contact that has led to any kind of monetary exchange I purposefully took a huge loss, so spare it Mr Kiwi.

Im here to help, that is all.

You are here to slant and advertise.

I don't need to advertise here or I would have my sig, and my link pointing to it.

If you at all get involved with MCHost don't listen to a thing this guy kiwi says, don't expect anything he says to come true and certainly don't give him any information that he might be able to use later.

You are a liar Marc

Certainly a nice thread. I hope it stays here for a little while :) Goodnight.

Originally posted by Kiwi


Do you have another way to show how many websites we host? I think the first post was already stretching it a "bit".

I asked how many customers OR how many reseller customers (not resellers of your resellers)? So, how many paid customers DO you put on a server? I.E., customers = John Smith, Mary Johnson, Bob Henley = 3

You should be able to easily tell that number without revealing customer names.

Kiwi, that username has not been in use in months, it has not only been taken care of, but then I did recommend mbshost.

I also recommended MChost and method5.

What you fail to see is my username is not Samuel Mann, and I have already cleared this with chicken.

Run back to your forum there Marc, before you get bit.

What's really scary is how quiet AussieBob is right now. :)

ahh... Rochen pls... can you take these two guys,Kiwi & Samuel out of this WHT for a while and let them have some cool :beer: together.. and settle their issues there nicely...

here its a waste of ppl's time and WHT's resources as they're flying off with the handle!! :D

mk123

Marc resists conversation outside of this forum.

Before I ever posted here once I attempted on several occasions to clarify, rectify, work out what needed to be worked out with him but he failed on that side.

Wouldn't respond to e-mails, wouldn't respond to PM's.

He is pulling everyone's leg, if he would handle his business outside of this forum, there would not be anyone inclined to have this type of conversation with him.

His customers know they will get an answer here, that tells you all you need to know.

He is playing with them.

Sorry everyone for "Divulging" my personal feelings about this guy, didn't mean to ruin anyone's night.

Just if you gain services from MCHost remember this guy can't be trusted on his word, I am an ex customer, and certainly not a competitor.

Mods/Chicken, don't worry, nothing I have been asked not to divulge, will be divulged.

I agree that Samuel should not have started this thread without info to collaborate it.

However, others here have tried to clear that up, and asked other questions; and Kiwi just blasts everyone.

Though I disagree with Samuel's tactics. He could be telling the truth. He is not just a competitor. He said he was with MCHost for 8 months, and Kiwi did not dispute that, so I take it that is true.

I didnt start this thread hahaha

And it is true, I have used MCHost's services, have information to back that up available by PM.

This isn't about MChost though, it's about Marc and that is what I apologize to everyone about, in that this thread was about MChost, and seeing Kiwi posting just irks me, sorry :D

Originally posted by Samuel
I didnt start this thread hahaha

Oops! Sorry.

Can't Kiwi give an answer to the original question,


Whats the most sites or reseller customers do you have on a server?

Originally posted by Samuel
Kiwi, that username has not been in use in months, it has not only been taken care of, but then I did recommend mbshost.

If it was months ago or yesterday, that doesn't make the lie any better, Samuel. You haven't been an MCHost customer for months as well, why are you then still attacking me about those so called "lies" ?

Originally posted by chrisb
...and Kiwi just blasts everyone.

Who started blasting MCHost first?

Originally posted by chrisb
Though I disagree with Samuel's tactics. He could be telling the truth. He is not just a competitor. He said he was with MCHost for 8 months, and Kiwi did not dispute that, so I take it that is true.

MBSHost (Samuel Mann) has been offering reseller plans quite some time after he was no longer an MCHost customer, making him a competitor. Do a little research on search engines, they hold the proof.

Samuel, I thought Kiwi was MCHost. Doesn't he run it or is he just a peon there?

Originally posted by chrisb
Samuel, I thought Kiwi was MCHost. Doesn't he run it or is he just a peon there?
He owns it ;)

Kiwi, can we have answer please.....

Whats the most sites or reseller customers do you have on a server?

we should stop picking on mchost :)

Originally posted by richardys
Can't Kiwi give an answer to the original question,


Whats the most sites or reseller customers do you have on a server?

1312 domains on a Dual PIII 1Ghz, 1GB RAM, using a total of 12GB disk space and 140GB bandwidth (avg. of 100MB per month/domain). Average of the other servers is between 400-700. The server load average for last month was at 0.75 . Feel free to email me for the server's (or any server's) traffic or server load MRTG (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/)'s. :)

Originally posted by Kiwi


1312 domains on a Dual PIII 1Ghz, 1GB RAM, using a total of 12GB disk space and 140GB bandwidth (avg. of 100MB per month/domain). The server load average for last month was at 0.75 . Feel free to email me for the server's (or any server's) traffic or server load MRTG (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/)'s. :)

So, the guy that started this thread got it wrong. So why did it take you 6 pages for you to even attempt to clear this up?

To the poster above: No one is attacking anyone. Being a highly-visible host in this forum like MCHost and being in the hosting industry period, you have to expect that people will want to scrutinize you. Many people want to kick the tires before they buy.

Anyhow, thanks Marc. I'd still like to know how many "customers" you put on one server?

Now that they have finally received their answer, which you never answered that question months ago when asked repeatedly, Kiwi, I am not your competitor.

I actually dislike YOU, not mchost.

If you own mchost, I really could care less.

My dealings with you as a customer of yours was below standard.

I do not offer reseller accounts.

I sell, and lease dedicated servers, that is my primary business, and from roughly 9 months ago an e-mail to you asking for your input on dedicated server prices from mchost should tell you that this is what I have focused on, and continue to.

You run a reseller company, always have been besides the shared customers you had before Sept 2001.

Before who knows, but I am certainly not trying to attack a reseller company, as a matter of fact I have recommended your company in several posts on this board, in this thread and in other places.

My beef is with you, and you have thwarted any attempt to rectify it off this board in the past.

Originally posted by Samuel
My dealings with you as a customer of yours was below standard.

You can't really expect any company to treat you like a god when you insult staff members or harass other clients (we have over two dozen complaints).

Do you mind if give you a call tomorrow at the # we have on file from you? And we can discuss any differences between us.

a dual P3 scsi machine can easily handle more than 255 sites

If you oversell, possibly thousands! ;)

I love P3 Dual 800+ SCSI Boxes.:cool:

MAX POWER :homer:

Samual,

Shhhhhhh. It seems like you have an issue with Kiwi, heck, you even stated it, and sadly these forums are not the place for personal attacks or arguments. Thats why we have email, private messages, phones, and Jerry Springer, but thats not what the forums are for. I know I know, Its fun to point out someones faults on the forum, and an occasional flaming is good 'ole fun, heck Ive been known to do it myself, but its just not the right thing to do here in these public forums.

You wont find many successfuly business persons taking part in this kind of activity, just because it gets old, and its not good for business. Go ahead and give marc a call, he even offered to call you, but enough is enough ;)

A wise man is not known by his oratory but by his humility. Gentile men..please! :eek:

MAX POWER :homer:

Why should he have to talk to Marc on the phone? Why does Marc keep insisting that people contact him instead of responding here? I know it's not always appropriate for a host to reply on WHT; but most of the time it is. I say keep it public, so that we're all informed.

Originally posted by Kiwi


1312 domains on a Dual PIII 1Ghz, 1GB RAM, using a total of 12GB disk space and 140GB bandwidth (avg. of 100MB per month/domain). Average of the other servers is between 400-700. The server load average for last month was at 0.75 .

Isn't that overloaded?

Originally posted by chrisb
Why should he have to talk to Marc on the phone? Why does Marc keep insisting that people contact him instead of responding here? I know it's not always appropriate for a host to reply on WHT; but most of the time it is. I say keep it public, so that we're all informed.

Man... I knew you were Jesse Jackson!

Originally posted by chrisb


Isn't that overloaded?

Well... If it is not using all of the resources of the server, then no, it isn't.

"Overloaded" has absolutely nothing to do with the number of accounts, but with resource usage. The number of accounts on a server is a meaningless statistic.

Wow 1312 Domains on one box. Thats a bunch and I would even say too many. :eek:

Good point though, kmh.

Originally posted by chrisb
Why should he have to talk to Marc on the phone? Why does Marc keep insisting that people contact him instead of responding here? I know it's not always appropriate for a host to reply on WHT; but most of the time it is. I say keep it public, so that we're all informed.

What exactly has marc been trying to hide?

This thread from the get-go contained falsified information in order to defamate the MCHost name (apparently that wasnt the intention, then so be it, the original post should have been edited), shortly thereafter it turned into a thread with the sole purpose of defamating Marc himself.

See the previous page, Marc has given you, and everybody the data proving that the server loads and client totals at MCHost are VERY reasonable, he even provided MRTG graphs, why doesnt it end there?


Why do you attack Marc for trying to work out his differences with Samuel?
You would think you could commend him for trying to settle a dispute by offering to call Samuel, but no, you choose to twist that around and turn it into something negative against marc, again.
furthermore, why should these two work out their private problems over wht? Samuel has made it clear his problem is not with MCHost, but marc himself, its a personal matter that should be resolved privately, this is not a soap opera, people are not here to entertain you as much fun as you may think it is

this thread should have died a long time ago, it has served no purpose whatsoever

Originally posted by kmh


Well... If it is not using all of the resources of the server, then no, it isn't.

"Overloaded" has absolutely nothing to do with the number of accounts, but with resource usage. The number of accounts on a server is a meaningless statistic.
I don't know about it being totally meaningless. Anyhow, that's why I asked him how many "customers" were on each server. I think that's a better barometer.

Originally posted by TheMMIz
Samual,

Shhhhhhh. It seems like you have an issue with Kiwi, heck, you even stated it, and sadly these forums are not the place for personal attacks or arguments. Thats why we have email, private messages, phones, and Jerry Springer, but thats not what the forums are for. I know I know, Its fun to point out someones faults on the forum, and an occasional flaming is good 'ole fun, heck Ive been known to do it myself, but its just not the right thing to do here in these public forums.

You wont find many successfuly business persons taking part in this kind of activity, just because it gets old, and its not good for business. Go ahead and give marc a call, he even offered to call you, but enough is enough ;)

I've already stated and have been quite clear that he is playing games here.

I have attempted NUMEROUS times to contact him before I ever posted on this board that he won't answer his e-mails, won't answer PM's he leaves one with no choice.

This crap about "Ill call you" please...

He hasnt kept his word for as long as I've known him and it's a farce to believe that he will at any other time.

I actually believe that he is a liar, take it for what you want.

Also, I do not use this as a form of advertisement.

I'm here to help where I can and really can't stand this guy, ya know why? He is a liar, and I hate liars, but you already read that.

Originally posted by esdjco
Wow 1312 Domains on one box. Thats a bunch and I would even say too many. :eek:

Server 1: 1000 domains with 300GB traffic/month, server load of 0.70
Server 2: 5 domains with 800GB traffic/month, server load of 2.50

Which one is overloaded?

Originally posted by Samuel
I'm here to help where I can and really can't stand this guy

That's why you're arguing with me since page 2 of this thread. This thread is childish, if you want my honest opinion. By the way Samuel, calling someone a liar in public without proof is a big statement and i hope you stand behind it. Its 2:30am here, have a good night everyone.

RunOfTheMill

He has stated that before....

His intention was to never work things out.

If it be a testament of his treatment of customers, then so be it.

I experienced it way before he ever started this crap about "Harrased Dozens of customers, and Staff"

Originally posted by Kiwi


That's why you're arguing with me since page 2 of this thread. This thread is childish, if you want my honest opinion. Its 2:30am here, have a good night everyone.

Don't mix things up here Marc...... geeze.

You are in California, I suggest we meet in person.

You have problems with Marc, as a previous customer, thats fine, you are entitled to your opinion thats for sure.
I'm not sure why one would spend 5 threads re-iterating the same thing, but i guess you want to make sure we understand that you despise Mr. Kiwi. (i think you got the message across)


What i really do not understand is the few who are jumping on the anti MCHost, anti Kiwi bandwagon, who is this Chris character?
Obviously he is not an MCHost customer, he also hasnt stated that hes an ex-customer either.
Why did he start this thread? Curiousity, Fine.
Why is he still here attacking Marc after he was proven WRONG soon after he started this thread? Immaturity, Boredom? ill go with both

RunOfTheMill:An original thread subject cannot be altered once posted. Also, I don't think most of us are trying to defame Marc. Marc gave us "some" information, and that was appreciated. He never did post a client total for each server, though.

I am not attacking Marc. I'm sorry you view it that way. I just don't understand his reluctance to answer questions. I am not twisting anything.
You are the one trying to turn this into a negative.


Furthermore, I don't think this is a private matter when many here have legimate questions; and that question has been asked many times of MCHost and this is the first time I've seen any attempt at an answer.

I'm sorry you don't find this thread informative and useful, but I do. MCHost has lately been questioned in many areas, such as their trademark, using a pic of DV2 for their data center. This, in combination with a seeming reluctance to answer questions puts suspicion in people's minds.

No, Marc does not have to answer or respond; but I'm sure many people would like to hear his responses to any accusations that may be inaccurate.

I can't speak for others; but all I hoped to glean from this thread were answers about their "customer per server" and I still haven't got an answer on that, whether or not you think it's relevant.

It's funny now, MCHost's customers are reporting me to the mods hahaha.

Chicken, as we discussed I have ONE username I use.

Any previous usernames were listed, and asked to be deleted (Changed ISP's, and before contacting mods), I made this one.

But we have already talked about this and was agreed, and I even asked a mod to remove my other username if there was a problem, they said don't worry about it.

Rochen, and another have reported me to the Mods, but what they should have stated is that they are also customers of MCHost.

Asking for my username to be blocked, and posting priveledges revoked.

Rochen, hahahah

Originally posted by Kiwi
1312 domains on a Dual PIII 1Ghz, 1GB RAM, using a total of 12GB disk space and 140GB bandwidth (avg. of 100MB per month/domain). Average of the other servers is between 400-700. The server load average for last month was at 0.75 . Feel free to email me for the server's (or any server's) traffic or server load MRTG (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/)'s. :)

what more do you want?
their names? phone numbers? favourite color?

sorry perhaps your intention is not to attack, but it definitely is coming out that way, in my opinion

Originally posted by chrisb
using a pic of DV2 for their data center.

I suppose if we have servers at the DV2 data center, it would be a bad choice if we posted a picture of Verio's data center. Again, a simple email or ticket to MCHost would have cleared that up as well.

If you're interested in our services or you have any questions, please contact us directly at the forums, through email or tickets. But posting false facts and then hoping someone would from MCHost would clear it up is a little strange if you ask me, especially when things about other companies have been posted in the same thread and nobody seems to 'pick' on them.

Samuel, still waiting on a reply from you if you wish to give me a call and we find out what differences we have. Hopefully i'll have a reply from you to this question by tomorrow morning.

Its late. :)

I didn't start this thread.

MCHost is a reseller company, what Marc stated does not answer the question...

And rochen, it's not complete nonsense... lol

Originally posted by Kiwi
Server 1: 1000 domains with 300GB traffic/month, server load of 0.70
Server 2: 5 domains with 800GB traffic/month, server load of 2.50

Which one is overloaded?
Kiwi: please keep your logic and common sense out of this thread. :D

But put those who think a server's stability has to do with the actual number of domains on Server 2. They'll be much happier because there's less domains on the server. :laugh: :D :cartman: :rolleyes:

Sorry, been so busy with adding some exciting new componants to our business, that I didn't see the rest of this crap thread until now. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Kiwi
Samuel, still waiting on a reply from you if you wish to give me a call and we find out what differences we have. Hopefully i'll have a reply from you to this question by tomorrow morning.

Its late. :)

Read up, I suggested we meet in person, it's already morning.

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Originally posted by Samuel
MCHost is a reseller company, what Marc stated does not answer the question...

Maybe because this isn't our pre-sales forum or sales@mchost.com .

Well, i need to be back at 8, roughly 4 hours so i'll leave you guys here. Try and keep the discussion at an acceptable level until i'm back :)

That's a no then?

Your pomposity is simply ignoring the suggestion.

I suggest we meet in person.

ANyone notice him posting to have the thread removed?

sales@... hahaha

See games.. nothing but.

Oh My, Chicken is going to "love" this thread. :eek:

Sure has warped into a Samuel vs. Marc thing. Don't understand why, Samuel feels the need to repeat himself "ad nasuim".

Please stop Samuel. Start your own thread, call him, have him call you, meet him, whatever. We get the point already. :)

Originally posted by chrisb
What's really scary is how quiet AussieBob is right now. :)
Believe it or not chrisb, some of us run growing businesses and can't spend endless hours sitting on WHT bickering about some term or phrase. We also have personal lives too. I have just spent several hours away from the office at my favourite coffee shop getting stuck into my latest book and yummy cappuchino's + mud cake.

I find it hilarious that chrisb is hounding for the number of clients per server. :laugh: As if that has anything to do with how someone populates a server. Maybe a server is populated due to the size of the accounts and the revenue the server generates and not the number of accounts?? Hmmm, just maybe? :D

Don't know many hosts who populate their servers based on the actual number of domains. If they do, they need their head read. Doesn't it matter what each of those domains are promised as far as disk space and data transfer/mth? So server (A) has 500 domains that are promised 5GB disk space and 50GB data transfer/mth each and server (b) has 500 domains with 100MB disk space and 2GB data transfer/mth each. Which is the most stable server?

Originally posted by Aussie Bob
So server (A) has 500 domains that are promised 5GB disk space and 50GB data transfer/mth each and server (b) has 500 domains with 100MB disk space and 2GB data transfer/mth each. Which is the most stable server?
That depends... What are the server specs of Server A and Server B? And, how much of allocated space/transfer are your accounts actually using? And, do you have a contingency plan in place (say another, less populated server) in case a few of your accounts on Server B really take off? And, will the accounts be using mysql? cgi? :D

Wow that is amazing..






I didn't know they had books that far up in Queensland:D

Originally posted by kmh
That depends... What are the server specs of Server A and Server B? And, how much of allocated space/transfer are your accounts actually using? And, do you have a contingency plan in place (say another, less populated server) in case a few of your accounts on Server B really take off? And, will the accounts be using mysql? cgi? :D
Many variables yes. :D

Interesting topic...

Ok :D I'll answer this one a little more seriously. :)
Originally posted by kmh
[B]That depends... What are the server specs of Server A and Server B?
Same spec servers.
And, how much of allocated space/transfer are your accounts actually using? And, do you have a contingency plan in place (say another, less populated server) in case a few of your accounts on Server B really take off?
Naughty, naughty :D The server should be populated as per revenue and the revenue should be calculated as per the resources that the accounts will use etc. If you've worked yourself into a corner [oversold the server] then you need to rework the revenue per account and subsequently the revenue generated per server so you can populate your server and not have to remove accounts due to folks using what you promised them. :)
And, will the accounts be using mysql? cgi? :D
If you offer them, yes. :)

Originally posted by Aussie Bob
Many variables yes. :D

But I still insist, in a shared environment, that the number of physical domains is the primary concern. Sure a single site might drain some resources, but no server assigned to shared hosting is going to have 5 sites on it. If that resource intensive site gets identified, it is going to be suggested that it moves. If there's 1300 potential problem makers, that presents a much higher risk than 200.

Your comparison of what 5 domains could do as opposed to 500, just doesn't work in a shared environment of any description Bob. Unless you would plan on stopping adding any more sites if resources managed to peak out with 5 domains on a shared server. :)

Regards

Gary

Originally posted by Editor
Your comparison of what 5 domains could do as opposed to 500, just doesn't work in a shared environment of any description Bob. Unless you would plan on stopping adding any more sites if resources managed to peak out with 5 domains on a shared server. :)
:eek: I think you're referring to Kiwi's post, Gary.
Posted by Kiwi -
Server 1: 1000 domains with 300GB traffic/month, server load of 0.70
Server 2: 5 domains with 800GB traffic/month, server load of 2.50
You'll take an account on Server 2 over Server 1 hey Gary?? ;)

Originally posted by Monte
Wow that is amazing..






I didn't know they had books that far up in Queensland:D
even got electricity too. :stickout

Actually, I have a server in a shared hosting environment with only 12 accounts on it. Yes, that particular server is losing money. But, my business plan is greater than a single server. That particular server has one large account (which is paying an appropriate amount) along with 11 small, low-resource accounts.

For the rest of the servers, some have 200 accounts. Others have 500. The number of accounts has no bearing on where accounts go. Rather, it depends on resource usage, disk space, data transfer, and loads.

Originally posted by kmh
....The number of accounts has no bearing on where accounts go. Rather, it depends on resource usage, disk space, data transfer, and loads.
Sounds like good old fashioned common sense to me. :)

Originally posted by Aussie Bob
even got electricity too. :stickout

If you pedal hard enough :D

Originally posted by webarama
If you pedal hard enough :D
Sometimes the wife gets tired. :D

well i can also say i host 2 domains per my Reseller account !!!
because i haven't advertised anything, right?
because i don't want to make money, right?:stickout

Maybe Kiwi is putting more per server, so the same maybe done by Samuel, Chris.. or Bob (sorry ppl no personal)

Though here if asked, everyone can say they have 2-10 domains per server!!

Since noone knows their figures :)

And noone wants to give actual figures....

well... IMO :D

Originally posted by kmh
That particular server has one large account (which is paying an appropriate amount) along with 11 small, low-resource accounts.

If that appropriate amount isn't sufficient, together with the other 11 domains, to cover the total cost of that server, then I wouldn't consider the amount to be approriate :-).

Afterall, our base overhead is a cost per server, so each server is self-sufficient financially. Why should clients on any one server be subsidising another?

Bear in mind we are all going to approach things differently, and neither your nor my working model is a cut and dry case of "correct". At the end of the day the client gets the say as to whether we are all doing things right, one way or another.

Cheers

Gary

Originally posted by Editor
At the end of the day the client gets the say as to whether we are all doing things right, one way or another.
Truer words have never been spoken. [well except for my posts. ;)]

Kiwi, if you had answered me, I would of removed the post :)

Anyway, I was just curious. I always see you advertising VirtualCP and was anticipating it, but gosh it has been so long. You had so many resellers interested in that program, yet its never been released to this date. Also, I was curious to understand what you define as "LARGE". Your website says ..."powering over 2000 large web hosts and managing over 80,000 websites worldwide. " If you work that out 80,000 websites divided by 2000 LARGE web hosts works out to only be 40 clients per web host.

Maths: You are managing 80,000 sites. Now divide that by 2000 LARGE web hosts and you get 40 clients per LARGE web host.

btw, I am simply here to work out over-the-top statements from webhosts. For example, McDonalds recently advertised something which I found way over the top, so I emailed them and got a valid response and found out it was indeed a correct fact. :)

Originally posted by universal2001
btw, I am simply here to work out over-the-top statements from webhosts. For example, McDonalds recently advertised something which I found way over the top, so I emailed them and got a valid response and found out it was indeed a correct fact. :)

I'd be interested in hearing what that was all about

I dont think its really our business how many resellers or sites mchost put on their servers. If the servers are reliable and the sites load fast then thats all that matters.

Maths: You are managing 80,000 sites. Now divide that by 2000 LARGE web hosts and you get 40 clients per LARGE web host.


Don't discount that fact that one reseller may have 3 clients and another reseller may have hundreds. I don't think simple math is appropriate for this situation.

I agree... there are some resellers that could pass for a full fledge hosting company. Resell everything from virtual hosting to colocation.

Simple math isn't good when you are tlaking about 80,000 sites :D

Originally posted by SplashHost.com
I dont think its really our business how many resellers or sites mchost put on their servers. If the servers are reliable and the sites load fast then thats all that matters.

Couldn't agree more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by universal2001
I always see you advertising VirtualCP and was anticipating it, but gosh it has been so long. You had so many resellers interested in that program, yet its never been released to this date.

Same goes with HostGUI. They've been announcing it for months before we did. Why is there no doubt in their project? :rolleyes: We'll release it when it is completed, not before.

Our shared reseller servers are running just fine, most of them without a reboot since the last kernel upgrade.


root@fiji [~]# uptime
2:14pm up 61 days, 11:18, 1 user, load average: 0.55, 0.21, 1.01
root@fiji [~]#

root@seattle [~]# uptime
2:18pm up 61 days, 11:26, 1 user, load average: 0.78, 1.18, 0.62
root@seattle [~]#

root@atlantis [~]# uptime
2:23pm up 33 days, 14:13, 2 users, load average: 0.27, 0.37, 0.35
root@atlantis [~]#

root@newyork [~]# uptime
2:17pm up 61 days, 11:47, 2 users, load average: 0.72, 0.45, 0.93
root@newyork [~]#


I'm not going to post how many reseller clients there are per server, but it greatly varies. I don't know of many (if any) large companies that would lay open their client database and structure, but they are a lot less than someone has mentioned in this thread ...and our servers are running very stable.

Originally posted by universal2001
McDonalds recently advertised something which I found way over the top, so I emailed them and got a valid response and found out it was indeed a correct fact.

Why didn't you email MCHost then before posting a false fact?

Originally posted by Kiwi
Same goes with HostGUI. They've been announcing it for months before we did. Why is there no doubt in their project? :rolleyes:

http://www.hostgui.com/support/forum/showthread.php?threadid=623
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=56983
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=57772

Or did you mean HostGUI doubts from the specific user you quote, in a thread that has been focused around MCHost? :rolleyes:

I disagree that it is no one's business. When people are looking to purchasing hosting, they have a right to know how many customers per server, whether the host thinks it's relevant or not. If it varies, you can always post the minimum, average, or maximum.

Anyway, Marc refuses to post how many clients per server. I don't understand that, but that is his decision; and at least he did respond to that.

You're right, when a potential client is interested in purchasing hosting from us, they are free to ask us. What i'm trying to say is that any pre-sale questions to our customer service are answered honestly.

In my opinion, if the starter of this thread was interested in our services or had any doubt in them, would have contacted us directly first and asked for our response, instead of starting out right away with a thread in a public forum with false facts.

We do not refuse to any real pre-sales questions. I just find it a little funny that you're only making a huge thread about MCHost, not other hosting companies. My doubt started with when you said "no wonder why the loads are always high", when you are not even a current customer.

On the other hand, thanks for starting this thread. We're getting great exposure. :)

I know your intentions were to put MCHost down, as everyone can see in your first post with the statement about the supposed high loads, when you are not even an MCHost customer.

I'm sorry it didn't work out. Good luck :)

I am previous McHost customer but I cancelled my account with you a few months ago. You can thank me for the visability I have given your company.. lol

Originally posted by universal2001
I am previous McHost customer but I cancelled my account with you a few months ago. You can thank me for the visability I have given your company.. lol It is a shame that this thread became 6 pages long, when it could have all been over with by emailing Marc and asking him.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by universal2001
guys, this is not a threat! I was simply curious to know :)

MCHost may not be great, in fact they have a few problems lately, but your post here is clearly to put it down and flame it, without any regards or other intentions. Your posts do not smell "curious," instead, just to do something evil.

Originally posted by Kiwi


Same goes with HostGUI. They've been announcing it for months before we did. Why is there no doubt in their project? :rolleyes:

Marc,
You constantly complain and ask why people attack you. Why would you bring another company into this? It's the same thing! Your unprofessional comments and slandering in my eye so people thing the same about jaguarpc's stuff I hope will hurt you one day. I've been quite about many, many things here on web hosting talk and I would have lots to say if I wanted too being a former mchost employee. However, being a professional I wouldn't want to take the fun from your clients in releasing the juicy information they find.

That is all I have to say right now. :o

Originally posted by Kiwi

root@fiji [~]# uptime
2:14pm up 61 days, 11:18, 1 user, load average: 0.55, 0.21, 1.01
root@fiji [~]#

root@seattle [~]# uptime
2:18pm up 61 days, 11:26, 1 user, load average: 0.78, 1.18, 0.62
root@seattle [~]#

root@atlantis [~]# uptime
2:23pm up 33 days, 14:13, 2 users, load average: 0.27, 0.37, 0.35
root@atlantis [~]#

root@newyork [~]# uptime
2:17pm up 61 days, 11:47, 2 users, load average: 0.72, 0.45, 0.93
root@newyork [~]#

At the end of the day, it's all about server stability and the above stats speak ABSOLUTE VOLUMES!!!!

As Editor so wisely said, at the end of the day, it all comes down to the marketplace and businesses survive because they offer a good product and the marketplace judges whether or not they continue to deliver that product or service.

Seeing these "domains per server" arguments has nothing to do with server stability and success of a provider. It's more to do with jealousy and cheap point scoring. :cartman:

Originally posted by kdghsu


Marc,
You constantly complain and ask why people attack you. Why would you bring another company into this? It's the same thing! Your unprofessional comments and slandering in my eye so people thing the same about jaguarpc's stuff I hope will hurt you one day. I've been quite about many, many things here on web hosting talk and I would have lots to say if I wanted too being a former mchost employee. However, being a professional I wouldn't want to take the fun from your clients in releasing the juicy information they find.

That is all I have to say right now. :o

I didn't say anything bad about JaguarPC or HostGUI, i was simply stating that i find it funny that as soon as i address a point in this thread, the next one pops up, even though other companies are developing a similar product, are at the most probably same stages (not launched yet), but all the attacks are concentrated on MCHost. Don't get me wrong, Jason.

NOCSoft has not yet launched their long-announced control panel either. You get my point.

Lets see, we've had domains per server, clients per server, projects we haven't launched yet (because we're not going to launch a half-finished product just to launch it as soon as possible, sorry), we've had people insulting MCHost, people insulting me, people calling me a liar or insulting us of false advertising even though as much proof as you can get out of any company has been posted pages ago.

The person that started this thread posted the following a few pages ago:

btw, I am simply here to work out over-the-top statements from webhosts. For example, McDonalds recently advertised something which I found way over the top, so I emailed them and got a valid response and found out it was indeed a correct fact.

Why didn't you email us then? You haven't answered this question yet and probably won't.

As soon as one thing was cleared up, you bring up something else ...and something else and so on. The entire thread is just a flame against MCHost and its completely ridiculous.

I sure hope the company that you're doing this for is at least paying you enough. :rolleyes: If you can't handle competition and other companies' success, go back to work and build your own success.

Originally posted by SplashHost.com
I dont think its really our business how many resellers or sites mchost put on their servers. If the servers are reliable and the sites load fast then thats all that matters.
Well said Alan. :)

The hardest questions to answer are the ones that only require a "Yes" or "No" answer.

And if you don't get, you don't get it. ;)

The longer this thread goes on, the more it'll just go around in circles.........

Closed.

<<Admin edit: it's too early in the morning ;) >>

Originally posted by BC
The longer this thread goes on, the more it'll just go around in circles.........

Closed.
It's still open BC.

I know. I opened it back up. I wanted to read a little more about this. ;)