Our company has a no porn clause in our AUP. Not for moral reasons, but as a smart business decision. We're not keen on turning off prospective business clients, those with a moral objection to porn, or having our IP's blocked.

There's another reason as well. Our AUP (and most AUPs) doesn't allow content that breaks the law and most porn sites are illegal for a couple reasons:

1. Most blatantly violate copyright law by either directly reselling or otherwise earning revenue from traffic generated by copyrighted material without permission.

2. Most could not present documentation certifying the age of the individuals depicted on their sites.

A good AUP should disallow illegal actives and IMHO most porn sites are illegal for the reasons listed above. Agree or disagree?

Most? Completely disagree. Your same two points could be turned on the rest of the hosting world in equal terms. There is at least the same amount of copyright infringement outside of the online adult industry, as well as false claims/statements about a whole range of things.

There's a lot more responsibility being assumed by adult webmasters these days. We met with a group on the Gold Coast for lunch on Friday...some very interesting people I must say. But there was (legal) content providers, developers, resource site managers, chat forum operators, hosts, ideas peoples, geeks, etc etc. They take their work seriously.

Sure, there are some unethical operators but that is also true to a degree in general hosting as well. We were shafted once by one shocking UK operator, so I wont say the industry is squeaky clean and risk free, but it's an industry in itself and a very active one at that.

Cheers

Gary

Editor,

Certainly copyright infringement and fraud are widespread. I am sure you'll agree that they are still illegal.

Secondly, I wish all porn webmasters belonged to professional groups like the one you met with. That would make the Internet a much better place.

The sad fact is that there are many more pretenders and hacks than there are professionals running porn sites (and hosting companies too I'm sad to say :rolleyes: ).

They steal content from legitimate companies and post it on their sites, they rip it from DVDs and videos etc; it's one of the major concerns that adult entertainment companies have.

I'm certainly not talking about the ethical operators. My point is that most porn operators are not ethical and professional operators and would be as out of place in a meeting of professionals as a nazi at the million man march.

For sure, I agree with most of what your saying (all the key points anyway :)). I do believe it is on the improve though.

Cheers

Gary

In our TOS we don't allow porn, suicide sites, pro-ana, anything that we consider to be threating or filled with hate. We also don't allow MP3's, warez...well, you get the pictures.

Bandwidth isn't the reasoning. The reasoning is that most people feel that porn is illegal. I personally don't buy or look at porn. Because I'm a woman? No. Because I'm in a happy relationship and have been for many, many years and I don't have to.

We run a clean, family based hosting business and I hope that our TOS will draw the businesses and personal domains of people that also feel porn is illegal.

So, guess how I voted?? ;)

Sara

It seems to me the question shouldn't be a question of legal responsibility but one of moral obligation and ethics, simply because the laws for such content vary from country to country and region to region in some cases.

It's more a case of ethics, because different people have different viewpoints with regard to objectionable content. Personally, I have found websites out there that I am far more offended by than adult-based websites (e.g. www.rotten.com) . However, I don't believe that those sites should be censored per se, since they are a form of expression (albeit a rather twisted one in my own humble opinion). It's up to the individual to determine what he/she wishes to view on the Internet.

This is not to say that all porn sites contain content that I would have no objection to viewing (although to be honest, I find the ones people show me so incredibly lame I bust out laughing), or that there are no porn sites that would contain content that would violate the legal codes of any country or region in the world. It's just to say that the majority of adult content should not necessarily be censored and provide the proper warnings with regard to it.

As far as copyright issues go...that's a really difficult one to prove, simply because anything acquired through legal means can be resold or redistributed by method(s) of the acquirer's choosing in some countries and regions. To draw a parallel, if Supplier A steals a truckload of CDs and sells them with an invoice to Retail Store B, Retail Store B can resell them without penalty since Retail Store B legally acquired the product. However, Supplier A is still under threat of legal penalty.

I, like Editor, happen to know the president of a company that produces a homosexual male pornography site on the internet and Editor is right; they do take it very seriously. Every actor has to sign a waiver indicating that he is of the age of consent to enter such a contract and they also have to go through a series of medical tests to make sure that they don't transfer any diseases to the other actors. I'm sure there's more to it besides just this as well.

I can understand why you wouldn't want adult websites on your network, because of the question of morally objectionable content. However, as an advocate of free speech and expression of viewpoints and lifestyles, I don't believe that the majority of the content itself would be generally considered illegal.

Gary,

Yeah things are definitely changing and will continue to change. Porn is the number one Internet industry and where there's money there will be organization--self regulation or otherwise.

I would be interested in seeing a study as to what percentage of operators belong to professional organizations or participate in some form of self regulation; 'cause while I do believe that things are changing, I can't say for sure that they are quantitatively getting better.

I'd like to say also that it cannot be stressed enough that the adult ent. operators should be vigilant in ensuring that they certify the age of subjects and clearly display that information. A blanket statement on a site that states "everyone is of age and consented" is not good enough. Someone who sells porn should be able to verify that each and every subject is of age. I wonder how many porn sites can do that.

Re what Sara said, I think that there is a place for porn (that place is not on my servers) and it can be a normal part of life for people in happy normal relationships. I have no moral issue with porn and I do not think that porn is illegal. It is legal in many, many jurisdictions including mine.

I do believe however that according to the laws of most jurisdictions that the majority of porn sites violate copyright laws and industry regulations regarding the certifying of subject's ages.

TheGAME1264

I actually agree with almost everything that you have said. I think that porn does have a place on the Internet and that there are a lot of responsible operators.

I think that from a business point of view it makes great sense to run a seperate adult hosting company. If I ever got involved with that line of business it would not be associated with my present company in any way because many business users and others with moral objections don't want to be associated in any form with that type of business.

The copyright issue is very difficult to prove. I would be interested in seeing the numbers on that. My belief re that matter is based on purely anecdotal (but significant :blush: ) evidence.

And yeah, while www.rotten.com is far more offensive than the vast majority of porn sites, it too has a right to be heard. Viva la Internet Libra! (I never did well in French).

From T.O. , eh? Me 2. :cartman:

By the way, what do y'all think of the porn webmaster in the States who's been hacking into "terrorist" sites? I'm sure he's one of the responsible porn proprietors but what about him hacking into sites he finds offensive. Is that not a bit of an odd contradiction? How does that stack up on the ethical scale?

It's more a case of ethics, because different people have different viewpoints with regard to objectionable content.

Agree!

Looks like I'll be out voted, but I must admit that pehaps "most" is a bit too strong. I sure do thing that it's quite a lot though.

I don;t know, we're going to be providing adult hosting just charge a decent amount more for it, after all, all porn companies make plenty of money.

spyderx,

Yeah they do. I think our company could make more money if we quit hosting and just ran a porn business from our datacentre/colocate.
hmm.... there's a thought :homer:

You charge a decent amount more for it, because you should only be considering putting about half the amount of sites on a server, therefore keeping load averages down and everyone happy. :)

Gary

Isn't it a bit similar to saying 'Most porn mags/TV chanels' are illegal??

edb49

You've got to be kidding. I think that compliance with law in the print and television industry is way way higher than on the Internet, don't you? Not similar at all.

Yes, but I think 'all sites' is a little 'all' encompassing!

edb49

All? Who said all ? :confused:

Originally posted by TheGAME1264
As far as copyright issues go...that's a really difficult one to prove, simply because anything acquired through legal means can be resold or redistributed by method(s) of the acquirer's choosing in some countries and regions. To draw a parallel, if Supplier A steals a truckload of CDs and sells them with an invoice to Retail Store B, Retail Store B can resell them without penalty since Retail Store B legally acquired the product. However, Supplier A is still under threat of legal penalty.
Not true, actually, from the copyright standpoint. Retail Store B, in that scenario, would not own the copyright to images on those CDs (to stay on the topic of this thread) and so would not have the legal right to display them or resell them even if they did have proof that they had paid Supplier A for them.

And while there might be as you say "some countries or regions" where copyright wouldn't be enforced, they would be rare. Copyright is generally enforced worldwide through a variety of international conventions and treaties; that is, copyright law is generally the same in all countries.

You're somewhat correct JayC. They don't own the copyrights to images on those CDs. However, they don't own the copyrights to those images if they acquire them through conventional channels (i.e. manufacturer-->wholesaler-->retailer-->end consumer). They are merely authorized by the manufacturer and the wholesaler to resell the products themselves. Copyright is still maintained by the manufacturer.

However, in the case of a theft or other unauthorized acquisition of said product, the people who are at fault and liable are those who acquired the product improperly. This happened in a music store I used to work in. One of our suppliers had sold us a box of **** music CDs. **** music CDs, under normal circumstances, are not permitted to be sold in a retail environment. But because the store manager was able to produce a proper invoice indicating that we had purchased and paid for them legally, they never confiscated the stock and we were allowed to sell them in the store as a result. (The supplier, however, is now out of business and the owner of the company is serving a 45-year prison sentence.)

I voted agree but I meant DISAGREE !

TheGAME1264,

I can't comment on why they allowed the store to keep the merchandise, but I assure you that under most common law that should not happen.

A person who buys stolen merchandise is not purged of responsibility for possession of stolen goods simply by producing a receipt (I think every car thief should give auto dealers receipts if that was the case). If the store you spoke of was in Canada, I can assure you that what you described is very unusual and does not make any sense according to Canadian law.

facts:

- porn is available for minors,
- contact with porn DOES matter in children grow up,
- porn business attract crimes/mob more than for example drug stories (answer yourself WHY?),


A lot of people feel that there is something wrong in porn. But a number of people get a really big money from that. And the money can "explains" everything.


(if somebody can't stops themselves seeing how profitable is porn business and get in it, I thing he also will be a hard spammer.
(becouse spam isn't illegal... , isn't it?)

Montana

disagree

if u surf the right sites then the content will be legal

most sites on the net are illegal, i search for info, it could be ripped from a another site, breaking a copyright law

Originally posted by FuzzBuzz
disagree

if u surf the right sites then the content will be legal

most sites on the net are illegal, i search for info, it could be ripped from a another site, breaking a copyright law

You disagree but say most sites on the net are illegal? i don't understand. :confused:

Originally posted by Montana
[B]facts:

- porn is available for minors,
- contact with porn DOES matter in children grow up,
- porn business attract crimes/mob more than for example drug stories (answer yourself WHY?),


if u install the correct software on your pc the kids wont get access

porn business attract crimes/mob more than for example drug stories (answer yourself WHY?),

depends what u mean
am i a ganster because im in the porn business?
what crimes do it atract for me? im 19, going to uni next year

Originally posted by FuzzBuzz

if u install the correct software on your pc the kids wont get access]

yeah - exactly the same as spammers use to said ("if you don't like our beautiful emails you can install correct software on you pc)

the fact is that porn IS available to kids
and the fact is that only very stiupid kid can't break that "correct software" securities

(... bulletproof jackets don't justyfiy killing)

...
Originally posted by FuzzBuzz

depends what u mean
am i a ganster because im in the porn business?
what crimes do it atract for me? im 19, going to uni next year

if you can't answer youself why gangsters are more likely to visit you as a porn "businessman" than as a drug store owner - any of my explanations wouldn't help.


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2 cents from other side: any of you are 100% sure that girls acting in porn movies love it becouse they like it? Or only like it becouse of mony.... or maybe there are movies (I mean "legal" ones with OK to copyrighst etc etc) where actress was forced to act?

Originally posted by TheGAME1264
But because the store manager was able to produce a proper invoice indicating that we had purchased and paid for them legally, they never confiscated the stock and we were allowed to sell them in the store as a result.That would be an extremely odd occurrence (or would I expect, if I buy a stolen car, that I can keep it as long as I get a receipt from the thief?), but at any rate isn't applicable to the topic of this thread, which is copyright -- not the possession or sale of stolen merchandise.

i can see where u are going

i just dont see it 2 be illegal

i do think smoking should be illegal, when i see ppl smoking i just wanna punch them, they know it might kill em but still they smoke

- porn is available for minors,
- contact with porn DOES matter in children grow up,
- porn business attract crimes/mob more than for example drug stories (answer yourself WHY?),


You people are really stupid.

Your parents looked at porn, and they grew up just fine. You can like porn and be in a relationship. Porn isn't suppose to be offensive, if you don't like it. Shut your mouth and move on.

You want to say porn business attracks crimes and mob? What about the music business? Oh wait.. what about sports? ... The list goes on.

What it comes down too is, if you're looking for reasons on to why something is bad. You will always find reasons.

PORN HAS WORKED FOR YEARS, WHY CHANGE IT NOW?!

Now on to the subject...

Hosting illegal porn sites, is not right. If they are making money off the images/movies/etc. Or if it's has children on it, and what not.

Hosting legal porn sites, is fine. But.. it does require you to keep your servers updated, locked down, and watched over. Alot of the people on this board, don't even know how to do that..

Both attract credit card fraud, Husbands that don't get enough pleasure from their woman, people who like porn, people who like porn, teenagers, etc.

I guess it all comes down to your "moral values" and your companies skills.

I'd host porn. I do host porn.

ya besides
im sure a lot of parents now a days whacked off to play boy when they were young
:P
going to strip clubs
getting hookres

Don't forget hustler!

tons of spam flodding my email box every day. About 70-80% is about porn sites.

I don't think so all are only from illegal porn sites.
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Using porn as a way to earn money is the way where somebody (must to be) treats human beings as "objects". And it doesn't matter that the "objects" give their permission.

tons of spam flodding my email box every day. About 70-80% is about porn sites.

So that 70-80% of those sites are coming from what percentage of porn sites? Not many.

Perhaps you signed up for a free trial and opted for the messages. Perhapes you signed up with someone else and asked to be contacted by their partners. Tons of options here. Perhaps you bought penis enlargment pills and forgot to uncheck some boxes. Oh.. the options..

OR

They could also just be spamming you because they can.

But I get more spam from non-porn myself. Spam exists. You're not going to stop it, so figure out how to ignore it, or block it.

Using porn as a way to earn money is the way where somebody (must to be) treats human beings as "objects". And it doesn't matter that the "objects" give their permission.

And? Are you saying this is wrong? Because if you are.. who the hell are you to judge that?

If someone wants to give "star" (term used lightly) in porn. That's none of your concern.

jayjay - thank for you brilliant and new definition of spam.

So far spam was something unwanted and unexpected.
I am not child to first do all the things mentioned by you and after all cry: "They are spamming me!" No, not at all.

My business email addreses are behind javascript blockers. I know that a number of email harvesters are blocked by our system.
But I am spammed every day. Often from one the same IP are one letters about mortage loans some herbal stuff and few about porn.

I think that rather clever porn "businemen" pay some money for spam "companies" to do the dirty work.
And it is so clear for me: if somebody treating others as "objects" why to not to treat on the same way spammed peoples. (what is funny that it means if somebody spammed at last go to the porn www and signed up will be treated as a moneymaking-object)LOL

WAY OVER MY HEAD MAN! I've been up for too long.
I do hate spam, don't get me wrong. I just think people jump to the gun alot before figuring out what they did.


Nite. :o)

Wow, people sure get angry at the subject of naked people online don't they? :)

Seriously, I'd like to say a few things:

1) Montana, the porn industry may classify human beings as "objects"; however, these individuals are generally consenting adults and in a lot of cases derive pleasure from their exhibitionism. And as long as they're not hurting anyone or doing anything too extreme, I say let them do it.

2) OneOfThem, I think your idea to host your adult sites and run the adult site business separately from your non-adult site business to be a good one, should you choose to do so. That way you avoid any moral objection from your existing non-adult customers.

3) "The law is an ass."--- Anonymous. And Canadian law is no exception. I do realize the situation that I cited as an example is a rather unusual one; however, the officer in charge of the investigation and the store's attorneys found some law somewhere (don't ask me where) found the law that stated that anything purchased legally with the proper receipts and documentation could be sold legally. The "stolen car" example used by others is a little bit different, simply because the seller of the car has to provide the vehicle registration and if I remember correctly (I haven't bought a private-sale used car in seven years) they check for stolen car reports and liens and things like that at the motor vehicle office before you buy it. With CDs, it's different. They generally bring the CDs in in cardboard boxes or shipping cartons, the invoice is sent to the accounting people and that's the end of that.

As examples of really dumb Canadian laws, there is a city in Ontario that is illegal to pee in and another where 56K modems are the maximum permitted (no high-speed). So whether it makes sense or not, it's the law. (http://www.dumblaws.com rules for that sort of stuff by the way). Anyway, I'm done talking about that particular example.

So...OneOfThem...I say if you're thinking about it, go for it. There's clearly a market for it and it's not shrinking any time soon. Just make sure you've got your bases covered with regard to legality. And good luck to you, fellow Canuck, eh? :)

I just think people jump to the gun alot before figuring out what they did

your apology accepted. ;)

anyway - good night :)

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for me EOT, at last it is the WHT forum.

And? Are you saying this is wrong? Because if you are.. who the hell are you to judge that?
I think the point is worth debating, and 404 brings up a worthy point.

If you were to own an Ice Cream store, would you ask every individual what their sexual preference was? Their political views? Whether they sold porn for a living? Sure, you could, but I don't think that would be wise if you wanted to run a successful business.

Here in the wonderful USA, most Americans take great pride in their freedoms. The freedom of expression is a vital part of this way of life. I believe my professional hosting business should reasonably mirror this freedom. I may not agree with much of what my customers host on their site. But who am I to tell them what they can and can't do? They purchased a service from me. That service was web-hosting. They didn't ask for web-hosting with a moral twist.

My job is to produce a quality-and value-oriented product for my customers. My content surveillance only goes so far as ensuring what they host is legal.

On the flip side, I don't allow adult content at my free hosting business for several reasons, one of which is that I see every ad-supported free site as representing my business, and I don't wish for *my* company to be associated with adult material. But when someone purchases "professional" hosting from my company, the way I see it, they're effectively buying that little block of server space and bandwidth. It's theirs to do with what they wish.

That said, you do what's prudent for your business. Heck, you could likely find a niche in family friendly hosting.

That's my .02. ;)

Brian

All I can say is that hosting porn sites:

1. Requires more server/network administration.
2. Your credit card discount rates on your merchant account will go up, because it's considered high risk.
3. Requires more bandwidth.
4. Requires more legal proffesional service.
5. Requires more insurance.
6. Requires more time trying to collect debts.

I can't explain why the above is true, it just is.

So if they want to pay a LOT, by money order, up front, and indicate that their content is legal everywhere we do business and that they own the copyrights to it, we'll give them a special price and their own managed server. But the porn webmasters all want to pay the same prices as the low-risk clients and be hosted on the same servers, and it's not going to happen.

ive noticed porn hosts are cheaper that all u non porn hosts

In the old days, pornography was illegal, but I guess money is more important these days than moral and family values.
For what its worth, pornography is:
1. Sin
2. Immoral
3. Decaying America's generation (even the world's)

If your excuse for pornography is business or pleasure, look at what damages it has caused in our society. On tv, on the news, on the radio, you'll learn that people will kidnap, kill and rape for pornography. Many women are affected by this, and imagine if your loved ones or your children were the victim. If that's not enough for all of us, I don't know what else.

Regardless what you believe, everyone will answer to God one day. I know we don't want to hear it and I know I probably will get blasted by this, but try listening to your good heart and conscience without finding any excuses to surpress the true value of what is good.

If your excuse for pornography is business or pleasure, look at what damages it has caused in our society. On tv, on the news, on the radio, you'll learn that people will kidnap, kill and rape for pornography. Many women are affected by this, and imagine if your loved ones or your children were the victim. If that's not enough for all of us, I don't know what else.

Regardless what you believe, everyone will answer to God one day. I know we don't want to hear it and I know I probably will get blasted by this, but try listening to your good heart and conscience without finding any excuses to surpress the true value of what is good.

True..!!!

Originally posted by FuzzBuzz
ive noticed porn hosts are cheaper that all u non porn hosts

You get what you pay for, too.

yes, my current host, no downtime and great support

Originally posted by rey
In the old days, pornography was illegal, but I guess money is more important these days than moral and family values.
For what its worth, pornography is:
1. Sin
2. Immoral
3. Decaying America's generation (even the world's)

If your excuse for pornography is business or pleasure, look at what damages it has caused in our society. On tv, on the news, on the radio, you'll learn that people will kidnap, kill and rape for pornography. Many women are affected by this, and imagine if your loved ones or your children were the victim. If that's not enough for all of us, I don't know what else.


if u believe porn is cause for everything then u are a little stupid

smoking
video games
tv
drugs
etc etc
contribute to whats ****ed up in the world

also money is everything.

if u believe porn is cause for everything then u are a little stupid I believe porn is one of the cause. And you are right, other substance like misuse of drugs contributes to the damage as well.

also money is everything. No, it is not. And you know why? You can have all the money in the world, but if you loose your own soul, then what does it profit you?

Originally posted by FuzzBuzz



smoking
video games
tv
drugs
etc etc
contribute to whats ****ed up in the world

also money is everything.

In one instance or the other these things don't cause problems.
If the parents educated their kids about right and wrong. It would be fine for them to play violent video games. TV. Not everything on tv is bad. in many instances television is educational,entertaining, and beneficial to human development.

The decision to host porn is to be made by the host. Businesses reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. Just remember that when u host controversial content you are subjected to allm thye negative atrributes it brings with it.

Originally posted by rey
In the old days, pornography was illegal, but I guess money is more important these days than moral and family values.
For what its worth, pornography is:
1. Sin
2. Immoral
3. Decaying America's generation (even the world's)

If your excuse for pornography is business or pleasure, look at what damages it has caused in our society. On tv, on the news, on the radio, you'll learn that people will kidnap, kill and rape for pornography. Many women are affected by this, and imagine if your loved ones or your children were the victim. If that's not enough for all of us, I don't know what else.

Regardless what you believe, everyone will answer to God one day. I know we don't want to hear it and I know I probably will get blasted by this, but try listening to your good heart and conscience without finding any excuses to surpress the true value of what is good.

I have no problem with your view that pornography is wrong. I can understand why you feel the way you do based on your religion. But the fact of the matter is that there are a great number of people (myself among them) who do not subscribe to Christianity or any of its beliefs and who, in many cases, question or flat-out refuse to accept the existence of an omnipotent deity, or who accept different ways to recognize said deity/deities.

Not only that, in some cases the nude adult form is not considered pornography but considered "art" (e.g. Michelangelo's David). Where exactly can one draw the demarcation line between what is art and what is pornography? Some people would say "cover up David's dangling doodle" and some would say "anything goes" and most would fall at some point in between. In other words, it's based on the individual.

Pornography can also be beneficial in some instances. I know people who watch adult content for the purposes of learning different sexual techniques in order to provide their lover with a better experience. Yes, I do realize there are instructional videos and books and similar materials out there, but some people grasp the concepts intuitively rather than clinically. Is that really so bad? I don't believe it is. Sex is as much about exploration, learning, discovering and satisfying your partner as it is about satisfying yourself, and any tool that can lead to a partner's satisfaction should be taken into consideration for use.

Pornographic websites can also be used as business models (the better ones that is). High-end pornographic websites generally have secure socket layers, payment processing, streaming video and audio, large volumes of content, and heavy traffic. The successful business models that companies that develop these websites come up with can also be employed to similar large-scale websites in non-adult-entertainment industries.

Do I watch pornography personally? No, I don't. But I do believe it has a purpose and a role in society and has an upside, if used and controlled correctly. I also believe that the majority of adult webmasters and producers of similar offline content do so within reasonable legal and moral limits.

As far as people 'kidnapping, killing and raping for pornography' goes, people commit those acts on a daily basis and for a myriad of other reasons besides pornography. (I don't condone or justify these acts, but pornography isn't the number one underlying motive, and I suspect is ranked fairly far down on the list.) The harm of anyone for any reason at another's hand is wrong; but by the same token, the offender has made a conscious decision to commit a violent act on the victim. Whatever the "reason" or "motive" may be, it's the act that's wrong, not the motive for it. If someone killed someone else to claim a life insurance benefit, does that make life insurance morally intolerable? Of course not. By the same token, pornography cannot be blamed for an act of this nature.

Again, I do understand and respect your stance that as a "good Christian" you find pornography offensive and immoral. However, I ask kindly that you respect my stance and the stance of those others who may not believe you are absolutely 100% correct. Thank you.

Again, I do understand and respect your stance that as a "good Christian" you find pornography offensive and immoral. However, I ask kindly that you respect my stance and the stance of those others who may not believe you are absolutely 100% correct. Thank you. I understand :)

In some countries pornography is illigal, and so is wearing shorts or tanktops, all because of religion. I like your input TheGame1264 and it is nice to find an understanding christian Rey. I've met some really nice religous people who don't step on you when you live your own life, but where I live now, there is a man who is the leader of a christian church which is more a sect than a church. His whife isn't allowed to work, even if she is an anastesia nurse (sorry about the spelling) and we really need those people in our hospitals. It's against their (his) religion. Also the man and his chursch cost a freind of mine a lot of money, and he is after my boyfriend because he is the "local satan". I fear he will come banging on my door some day. I guess if he found out that one of my best friends have been in the porn industry, he would come running.

Not all porn sites are illegal, Not all people are short, Not all people are dumb, and Not all etc..

Originally posted by rey
No, it is not. And you know why? You can have all the money in the world, but if you loose your own soul, then what does it profit you?

you profit in life, if you have lots of money you shopuld be happy

if you have lots of money and unhappy, u need to give all your cash to me :)

who said money isn't happiness? look at the big smile on my face!

something like that :)

most adult entertainment sites are not "illegal". but sense i think you are reffering to the volume of webhosts that dont allow them in their TOS, id have to say yes. Its more of an issue about bandwidth and unwanted traffic, not about being legal or illegal. You should revise this forum topic to:

Do most webhosts frown upon porn?

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To all webhosts: Is porn against your TOS or AUP?

I can see why some people whom own a business might not want anything to do with pornography , and thats fine . I dont understand how certain people can say children have access to porn . Its like saying children have access to fire , cars , drugs etc... . Children only have access to what the PARENTS allow them to have access to . If you make sure you watch your kids on the web , you have nothing to worry about (not to mention there are millions of things to assist parents with children on the web) . I also think everyone here has looked at porn , those who dont admit , have done it twice as much . If it were my children , i rather have them glued to the computer looking at porn in my house were i know they're safe , then running the streets and getting pregnant or getting others pregnant , and possibly contracting a fatal disease . As far as copyright issues go , you have no idea if it legal or not , thats for the owner of the copyright to decide

Umm ok ineteresting philosophy.

Yep all the parents problem.

Thats not necessarily true, not everyone has looked at porn.

Do you have children?

Originally posted by FuzzBuzz
yes, my current host, no downtime and great support

We're talking about managed, shared hosting. Not dedicated servers.

Why are we even debating the issue of PORN?

Restricting porn would be impossible and a loss for the society.

Men, women, kids, teens and many others visit porn sites? why?

Not because they was tricked into subscribing to porn.

Haha... but many of you must admit that sex is an important

journey for us all. Everyone need their own exploration

throughout life in sex. Rather it's from porn sites, movies, tv,

experience; but they simply still need it. Sex is actually a matter of

growing up and maturity. We have never blamed the origin of

Porn on the net, so why start now? Just let it be as be; it simply

exists cuz many others still need and desires it. Don't put

negative comments into porn because you personally dislike it.

Sex is actually a matter of growing up and maturity. We have never blamed the origin of Porn on the net, so why start now? Although I respect you as a person, I strongly disagree with you that sex is only a matter of growing up and maturity.

<edit>I believe</edit>, sex is a gift, a wonderful gift of marriage that God has given us, so we may enjoy the beauty of marriage that God has ordained. Since it is God's program, it has to be done according to His guidelines.

That is one of the reasons that <edit>I believe</edit> why pornography is sin and wrong, because it is not according to the divine frame of reference. And if one keeps doing it, he/she will bear the consequences and we are not lacking of examples of those who are infected with aids, hiv and other sexual transmitted diseases.

Originally posted by bitserve


We're talking about managed, shared hosting. Not dedicated servers.

thats what im talking about

i only need a ded server for movie hosting

What do you think? Should not be there any adult sites? Where will those poor people go? I do not agree with you!!!

What do you think? Should not be there any adult sites? Where will those poor people go? There are many non-profit organization and counselors who can help these poor people to overcome their addiction to pornography. I have a friend who's helping some of these non profit organizations, so please let me know if you need a contact person, etc.

Originally posted by rey

Sex is a gift, a wonderful gift of marriage that God has given us, so we may enjoy the beauty of marriage that God has ordained. Since it is God's program, it has to be done according to His guidelines.


were do you get off preaching your religion on a webhosting forum ? And how can you outright assume that we all have the same belief structure as yourself ? That was a very marrowminded assumption , im actually kind of offended . Next time you state your relgion as fact , give us some facts to back it up

im actually kind of offended Were you offended because I have different opinion than you, or because of what I said?

were do you get off preaching your religion on a webhosting forum I did not mention any religion, because I think it's not necessary, since we are talking about general moral standard.

If you were offended because I mentioned the word 'God', well ... I'm very sorry. It's in the constitution, currency, everywhere. I hope you're not offended by the America's pride too.

However, if it pleases you, I will reword my sentences. Hope this helps.

Originally posted by FuzzBuzz


thats what im talking about

i only need a ded server for movie hosting

It's not possible for you to be getting the extra porn services I mentioned for less than standard non-porn service, unless the porn host is operating at a loss. If you want to share your porn host, I'd be happy to query them. Because I'm sure that all the non-porn webmastsers would host with the porn hosters, if they got more service for less. Perhaps we can bring them a lot of business.

I wouldn't say "most" but certainly close to it

bitserve who do u think will make more $$$ and use more bandwidth, porn sites or commercial sites

if the host doesnt offer a good service ppl dont use them, same with the prices

also i know sites that push 500gb aday and if the price and serice isnt right they go else were

another thing, why is it so hard 2 think porn hosts can provide a good service?
o ic the webmasters are the scum of the earth and so are the hosters

Actually, I make very good money from porn. The companies that host the sites generally offer top notch support, and technologies are very cheap prices. In fact the only way they bill is by bandwidth. I personally host my domains with www.protgp.com. I'm surprised non-adult sites don't host with them.

Secondly, about the copyright questions around the images. No adult webmaster I know would bother to rip images from a DVD. The quality would suck, you would have no proof of licence on the images, and no proof of age of the models. So where does it come from? Dedicated content providers. check out www.ampcontent.com , www.adultcontent.ca , etc. For 15-35 dollars, you can get 100 images of any model. They also provide you with a faxed licence to distribute the images, and a contact methode incase you need to provide 2257 compliance (age of model).

Also, most adult webmasters put up a warning page, incase people ended up there accidently. Don't display underage pictures, or bestiality images, and you are a ok in North America.

Originally posted by FuzzBuzz
another thing, why is it so hard 2 think porn hosts can provide a good service?
o ic the webmasters are the scum of the earth and so are the hosters

You said it, not me.

Here's a run down of what I said and what you said:

1. I said, that porn sites require three times the service.

2. You said that you find that you can get porn hosting for cheaper than regular hosting.

3. I said that you're not getting three times the service, then.

4. You said that you were.

5. I asked you for the name of a host that offers three times the service and for less, and suggested they're losing money.

6. You said that porn hosters were the scum of the earth, but didn't say who your host is.

Let's say that most cheaper hosts mark a plan that costs them $3.00 up to $6.00. You're saying that your porn host has a plan that costs them $9.00 (three times the service) and is marking it "up" to $5.00. Seems like money lost to me. Until you provide the name of your host, I'll take your work on it, though.

www.isprime.com is also a mainstrme host as well (i think)

i think porn hosts get cheaper bandwidth cause they buy more bandwidth

why cant we get 3 times the service?

Originally posted by FuzzBuzz
www.isprime.com is also a mainstrme host as well (i think)

i think porn hosts get cheaper bandwidth cause they buy more bandwidth

why cant we get 3 times the service?

The prices I saw on their site are not cheap. They're slightly cheaper than Verio, but more expensive than Interland and ValueWeb. I think you would be hard pressed to find that many established hosts with prices that are higher. I definitly wouldn't make a general statement that they're cheaper than non-porn hosts. Maybe you're getting prices that I didn't see on their site, though. But at those prices, you should definitely be getting three times the service, or you're getting ripped off. :)

can u do cheaper than 200gb for 99 bucks?

Originally posted by FuzzBuzz
can u do cheaper than 200gb for 99 bucks?

Funny, their web site lists $340.93 for the 200GB web hosting account.

well i dunno about that