128 bit SSL Certificates for $44.95 at http://www.SSL4Less.com.

Get them while they last :-)

Hi,

Do you have more info on these certs? How do they compare wioth GeoTrust QuickSSL?

They are InstantSSL certs. We've been using them for some time and they are great. Very fast approval, and no need for provoding heaps of back up documentation.

Tracy's a great operator too. Do a search on here for other peoples opinions.

I use InstantSSL certs aswell - and they are perfect :)

Originally posted by ebay-nut
Hi,

Do you have more info on these certs? How do they compare wioth GeoTrust QuickSSL?
Comparing comodo to geotrust is nothing short of a crime. Why on earth would you want to do business with a company that has done nothing but engage in deceitful practices from day one?
Comodo resells SSL certificates meant for extranet use only, distributes spyware with an interesting name, and pretends to be europe's largest CA while it doesn't even qualify as the smallest.

Originally posted by Marshall

and pretends to be europe's largest CA while it doesn't even qualify as the smallest.

Sounds like most webhosts on this board.

What do you mean by spyware exactley?

Do a comparison between the pros and cons on the technical merits of an InstantSSL Cert and a GeoTrust Cert for all of us to review hear please. Be ready to back up your statements with more than the FUD you just put out in your previous post.

Hmm...I'd also like to know what the differences are.

Rackshack still seem to be selling GeoTrust certs at around $50 (+ around 8% tax).

I need to choose between InstantSSL and GeoTrust, so a list of pros and cons of each, or a comparison would be much appreciated.

- Omar

Originally posted by ionServ
Hmm...I'd also like to know what the differences are.

Rackshack still seem to be selling GeoTrust certs at around $50 (+ around 8% tax).

I need to choose between InstantSSL and GeoTrust, so a list of pros and cons of each, or a comparison would be much appreciated.

- Omar

Omar,

My honest opinion is that if what you are concerend with is encrypting your clients data to your servers (this is most often the case), then a 128bit certificate is a 128bit certificate. They are the same technically.

The only differance is that a 128bit certificate from SSL4Less is $44.95 and the one from rackshack is $54 (after taxes). Unless you just happen to like giving your money away when it is not needed, then I can see no other compelling reason to go with rackshack.

What about compatibility? I don't know much about SSL certs, so I'm looking for something that is pretty good.

- Omar

I found this to be really handy when comparing ssl certs have a look at www.whichssl.com where the facts about each one's service is outlined fully and clearly.

Omar,

We have issued over 20 of these certs to our clients over the past few months. Not one client has ever had an issue with them. My memory tells me they are something like 96 or 97% compatible with browsers (so only donkeys running ie3 will have issues).

To my mind there is no difference between one 128 bit cert and another 128 bit cert, they are both 128 bit certs.

Originally posted by Weberz


Sounds like most webhosts on this board.

What do you mean by spyware exactley?

Do a comparison between the pros and cons on the technical merits of an InstantSSL Cert and a GeoTrust Cert for all of us to review hear please. Be ready to back up your statements with more than the FUD you just put out in your previous post.
- Most webhosts sell either services or a products, not trust.

- Are you familiar with trusttoolbar?

- Doing a technical comparison between the two would be missing the point of it all - technically there is no difference between them and a self signed one.Trust is the key word here.

Originally posted by robert nel
I found this to be really handy when comparing ssl certs have a look at www.whichssl.com where the facts about each one's service is outlined fully and clearly.

I think stats like that are great in theory. But in real life I think it works out a bit different.

Look at your log files and see how many browsers that are pre 5.X.

I have maybe one percent on all of the sites that I run.

BTW, Since this is your VERY FIRST post here at WHT would you mind telling us which CA you work for.

Dave, I could not agree with you more.

I have currently finished studying, and one of my major topics was Internet security.

Originally posted by robert nel
I have currently finished studying, and one of my major topics was Internet security.

Great! We can use more input from people that are up on Internet Security.

Welcome to WHT!

Originally posted by davehooper.net
Omar,

We have issued over 20 of these certs to our clients over the past few months. Not one client has ever had an issue with them. My memory tells me they are something like 96 or 97% compatible with browsers (so only donkeys running ie3 will have issues).

To my mind there is no difference between one 128 bit cert and another 128 bit cert, they are both 128 bit certs.

As far as market share of current browsers is concerned, I found this site a good soucre of information

http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat.htm

As you can see I.E 3 has an approximate of 0.5% share of the market

We lay out the differences between the companies at freessl.com.

Originally posted by GeoTrustCEO
We lay out the differences between the companies at freessl.com.

Neal,

I am not trying to knock your product here. You have a good company.

Would you mind telling us what the differances are between your 128bit QuickSSL that sells for $119 and a 128bit InstantSSL that sells for $44.95 from SSL4Less, other than not being compatible with pre 5.x browsers.

Also you may want to point out what the differances are between your flagship product the 128bit TrueBusinessID and Verisigns 128bit Certificate, other than price.

Originally posted by GeoTrustCEO
We lay out the differences between the companies at freessl.com.

Neal, this is Steve Waite, Marketing Manager with Comodo.

Thanks for the opportunity to discuss FreeSSL.com. On FreeSSL.com you say:

"1. Our Base product is superior to InstantSSL (FreeSSL does not have multiple chains which can cause compatibility issues with certain browser and server versions)."

Can you substantiate why? We have never had an issue with the above - can you provide evidence?

You say:

"*FreeSSL provides superior functionality to Comodo InstantSSL"

How can you make this statement considering that FreeSSL is not compatible with Netscape?

You say:

"**FreeSSL has comparable browser ubiquity to Comodo InstantSSL (comparable products) , but not as much ubiquity as GeoTrust QuickSSL"

Again, how can you compare FreeSSL to InstantSSL in terms of browser ubiquity if FreeSSL is not compatible with Netscape when InstantSSL is. Also, please explain why GeoTrust QuickSSL has more ubiquity that InstantSSL?

Would you also care to comment on how GeoTrust's QuickSSL Certificates only validate only the applicant's right to use a domain name and not the legitimacy of the company itself. Would you also care to comment on the findings of the Gartner report "Secure Sockets Layer sometimes isn't" and how the lack of validation may become responsible for the lack of trust in SSL by consumers.

InstantSSL Certificates are only issued upon completion of stringent validation. Again, how can a comparison be made between FreeSSL and QuickSSL and InstantSSL, when neither FreeSSL nor QuickSSL validate the legitimacy of the company? Not only is there less validation with your products but you charge more than twice as much as InstantSSL.

Regards,

Steve

Originally posted by Weberz

Would you mind telling us what the differances are between your 128bit QuickSSL that sells for $119 and an InstantSSL that sells for $44.95 from SSL4Less, other than being compatible with pre 5.x browsers.


QuickSSL is not compatible with pre 5.x browsers. It is compatible with 5.01 onwards, exactly the same as InstantSSL.

Who would have thought that representatives for both companies would have registered on WHT just to bash each other! :rolleyes:

Originally posted by ionServ
Who would have thought that representatives for both companies would have registered on WHT just to bash each other! :rolleyes:

I would not really call it bashing.

The world of SSL is not known to many people and there is a lot of "FUD" in some companies marketing to help increase the price.

You could generate an SSL certificate yourself and it would be just as good as the encryption of any of the above mentioned CA's, it just would not be signed by a Trusted Third Party. That Trusted Third Party has to pay the bill, make a profit, etc, so they in turn have to charge a price for it.

It is up to the end user how much they want to give the Trusted Third Party for the "profit, etc".

I love this board.....

Steve I say we arm wrestle..... and declare a winner....

Replacement Policy:
http://www.whichssl.com/factors/customer_support.html
In the event that your private key be corrupted or inadvertently lost you will need a replacement Certificate. Thawte will charge you $50 for a replacement, whereas GeoTrust will provide a free replacement for up to 7 days after issuance. However, for total peace of mind, InstantSSL will replace your Certificate free of charge for up to 30 days after issuance!




http://www.whichssl.com/whois.html
Who is behind WhichSSL?

WhichSSL? is operated and edited by Comodo, the Internet Security specialists. Comodo also provide the hugely successful InstantSSL product family.



Nothing like those sites that want to look like impartial 3rd parties, but are really just propaganda.... So spam didn't work, and now they are trying this????? :D

Originally posted by Weberz

Would you mind telling us what the differances are between your 128bit QuickSSL that sells for $119 and an InstantSSL that sells for $44.95 from SSL4Less, other than being compatible with pre 5.x browsers.


QuickSSL is not compatible with pre 5.x browsers. It is compatible with 5.01 onwards, exactly the same as InstantSSL.

lol...imagine that.... :rolleyes:

Anyway, I tried to get a free 3 month FreeSSL cert to try it out....but I keep getting "Invalid CSR" and I'm pretty sure it's not me :confused:

- Omar

Lets all meet at SSL4Less.com to watch them arm wrestle :D

Originally posted by GeoTrustCEO
I love this board.....

Steve I say we arm wrestle..... and declare a winner....

Nice idea, but I'm not sure my CEO would be too happy about me staking the reputation of the company on an arm wrestle.

Probably best to just stick to answering the questions.... :)

I dont like to throw insults... but we are more compatible than InstantSSL -- we have our own roots embedded in MS and NS..

Our NS coverage is much better....

We do not work off a multiple chain. I know from being in this business for a long time that chaining causes issues..

I am not here to argue.......

I am also a much better arm wrestler than anyone from Comodo....

and better looking as well...

Originally posted by Steve Comodo


Nice idea, but I'm not sure my CEO would be too happy about me staking the reputation of the company on an arm wrestle.

Probably best to just stick to answering the questions.... :)

Well really, he's not supposed to answer questions here :D

Neal, mind telling me why FreeSSL.com won't give me a cert? :stickout :confused:

What error are you getting.. send me your CSR and I will look at it.

nealc@geotrust.com

Originally posted by GeoTrustCEO
I dont like to throw insults... but we are more compatible than InstantSSL -- we have our own roots embedded in MS and NS..
This doesn't make any technical differences, however the financial difference is considerable, hence our costs are a lot less.

Our NS coverage is much better....
InstantSSL is also compatible with NS, what percentage NS coverage do you have above InstantSSL?

I know from being in this business for a long time that chaining causes issues....
So no evidence?

I am not here to argue........
No I agree. Leave that to freessl.com :)

I am also a much better arm wrestler than anyone from Comodo....and better looking as well...
You got me there.

Steve -- take a break......

have drink or something... you need one

Guys - Relax, it's almost weekend :D

Originally posted by GeoTrustCEO
I dont like to throw insults... but we are more compatible than InstantSSL -- we have our own roots embedded in MS and NS..

Our NS coverage is much better....

We do not work off a multiple chain. I know from being in this business for a long time that chaining causes issues..

I am not here to argue.......

I am also a much better arm wrestler than anyone from Comodo....

and better looking as well...

I don't think the ssl is the industry where you are prepared to pay more for being pretty ;)

Neal, so far you have been, skillfully, avoiding answering any questions. Must be your years of experience in the industry;) However, I think we have the right to know why you are charging for more than twice for a product that doesn't do validation of a company. And as a response all you say is pay twice as much because you own your own root and you are pretty, frankly this doesn't make me want to sign up with you as a reseller (and I am a thawte reseller and yes I know the hikes:mad: ) I would appreciate if you could extend the curtosy to answer the questions so that we all know why you charge more than twice for your product.

I am sick of people not being accountable!

also, again tapping into your expertise please tell us the alleged problems you talk about when mentioning multiple chain issue. Which servers/server software has problem?

Also, why has Gartner (a very respectable company) is saying all these bad things about Geotrust and blaming Geotrust for effectively reducing the value of SSL?

BTW, please spare me the humour as I had plenty of it from your previous postings.

Just facts will do;)

Thanks

Hosty (maybe a possible future Geotrust reseller? (Neal don't get your hopes up as I only sell a few a year)

Originally posted by Weberz


Sounds like most webhosts on this board.



Bashing your potential customers isn't a real professional sales technique.

Hosty --- It must be getting pretty late in the Comodo offices in the UK--- you should get some sleep.....


Tell everyone over there I said Hi....

I started this by asking a (what I thought was) simple question. I currently own 4 GeoTrust Instant SSL Certs (have not had a single problem with 1 of them, and no I don't work for GEO or Resell).

I just asked what the difference between the two Certs.

As if the 2 compare equally it would make no sense to buy the one that cost more.

Wasn't looking for a war, just some facts / answers.

Originally posted by robert nel
I found this to be really handy when comparing ssl certs have a look at www.whichssl.com where the facts about each one's service is outlined fully and clearly.

Thanks, pretty much the most informative post within this thread.

Originally posted by GeoTrustCEO
Hosty --- It must be getting pretty late in the Comodo offices in the UK--- you should get some sleep.....


Tell everyone over there I said Hi....


FYI: My website is www.giointernet.com we are a small hosting company, the way that you have been behaving, avoiding questions, believe you me I will be giving the instantssl guys a ring and will tell them you said Hi but will be doing all that when I join them as a reseller and not Geotrust!

Just some facts! Thats all you had to do! Maybe facts hurt your business!!! ;)

Hosty

Goodnight everyone.......

oh -- Goodnight HostyComodo guy.....

Originally posted by GeoTrustCEO
Goodnight everyone.......


Facts Please!!!
Neal, you should know running away is not the answer. Has any of your customers paid you money when they asked you to answer something and you ran away ????

Why should we pay Geotrust more than twice of what Instantssl charge.

your excuse so far has been:
1)you own your own root
2)cos you are pretty

Why don't you admit that apart from you are charging this because you have to in order to pay your investors expectation having raised $21M to set up shop someone is going to pay for this, right;-)

Well, one thing for sure, it won't be me ;)

as I am writing this I am also joining the instantssl webhosting programme! Come and get your SSL for $49 from me!!! But we have even better hosting programmes for anyone interested and now also starting resell VISP!

Hosty

Wow -- you know a lot about me (I wonder why).. Do you know my sign as well..I am a Libra...

Ok -- now I really do have to run to a party.:stickout

Originally posted by GeoTrustCEO
Wow -- you know a lot about me (I wonder why).. Do you know my sign as well..I am a Libra...

Ok -- now I really do have to run to a party.:stickout


Hey WAIT!!!

Open Bar?

That could sway me!

Originally posted by GeoTrustCEO
Wow -- you know a lot about me (I wonder why).. Do you know my sign as well..I am a Libra...

Ok -- now I really do have to run to a party.:stickout


hmmmmmm. its on your website ;) didn't you know?

Still why don't you answer the questions? Its not the time element as you have spent enough time here since the first question was asked.

from my research of geotrust website and instantssl website I can tell you that

I could not find a single reason why anyone should buy from Geotrust. Its either instantssl or Verisign. Geotrust suffers from not being the cheapest nor strongest validation nor the only one who can issue quickly. With instantssl launch they lost their only differentiation of being the cheapest!

I was rather enjoying this party we were all having right here:cartman:

I think this is an ad for something, or was... we seem to be debating different SSL certs more than anyting. While I don't want to close th ethread and stop the discussion, I am going to allow the thread starter to repost their ad, as it is only fair.

Originally posted by Chicken
I think this is an ad for something, or was... we seem to be debating different SSL certs more than anyting. While I don't want to close th ethread and stop the discussion, I am going to allow the thread starter to repost their ad, as it is only fair.

Was simply requesting info before purchasing the item.

Originally posted by ebay-nut


Was simply requesting info before purchasing the item.

I agree.

However, I would like to apologise to the thread starter for discussing another product in his thread.

- Omar