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PencWeb
03-07-2001, 09:37 AM
I am looking for a Unix host that is free and that has the features: NO ads, cgi-bin, 20mb space, 100mb+ bandwidth, SSI, and sub domain create access - IF ANY ONE KNOWS OF A HOST LIKE THAT, PLEASE REPLY!!

Paul_Szymanski
03-07-2001, 09:44 AM
You may be hard pressed to find that for free.

Check out http://freewebspace.net as they have the largest listings of free web space that I know of.

MSW
03-07-2001, 10:10 AM
If you don't do ads, then it is hard to find a free host. Who is going to pay for it?

iBiz
03-07-2001, 10:26 AM
You can try http://www.doteasy.com They have no banners and I have had one site with them for months now. no down time that I've noticed. but there is a catch, you either have to register a name with them or transfer to their's for a fee.

PencWeb
03-07-2001, 11:27 AM
Thank you everyone. You all rock, and are cool.
That person that sed "if they don't have ads, how they suppose to get their money". Well, they cud have more than a free service, and those u have to pay for.
cya all later! If any1 has any other phat hosts, please reply.

akashik
03-07-2001, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by nishansoft
If any1 has any other phat hosts, please reply.

I don't know about that. WOuld they tell you if they were? I think BC drinks a lot of beer so he might be fat, but he doesn't host as far as I know. Umm, Chicken might be, though it's hard to tell from those feathers. Anyone? :)

Greg Moore

klisis
03-07-2001, 12:11 PM
... the yellow feathers? :D

akashik
03-07-2001, 12:24 PM
klisis,

Yep, those are the ones. I'm assured they are a great way to meet girls though :) Though I doubt he gets much of a chance to pull them out of the closet these days.

Greg Moore

PencWeb
03-07-2001, 06:33 PM
I really don't know what you 2 are talking about. CHICKEN FEATHERS? WHAT THE HECK! This thread is for web hosting, not animals and beer.
Anyway, all the sites that the people have given me were no good. ANYONE ELSE GOT ANY TIGHT HOSTS?
20mb space, 100+bandwidth, Unix, Domain host, CGI-BIN, SSI, and sub domain create access.
Thanks,

Shane

BC
03-07-2001, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by akashik
Originally posted by nishansoft
If any1 has any other phat hosts, please reply.

I don't know about that. WOuld they tell you if they were? I think BC drinks a lot of beer so he might be fat, but he doesn't host as far as I know. Umm, Chicken might be, though it's hard to tell from those feathers. Anyone? :)

Greg Moore

Thank you Greg :rolleyes:

iBiz
03-07-2001, 07:21 PM
not for free. most companies shell out money for servers in order to make that money back and then some. good luck

Chicken
03-07-2001, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by nishansoft
I really don't know what you 2 are talking about. CHICKEN FEATHERS? WHAT THE HECK! This thread is for web hosting, not animals and beer.
Anyway, all the sites that the people have given me were no good. ANYONE ELSE GOT ANY TIGHT HOSTS?
20mb space, 100+bandwidth, Unix, Domain host, CGI-BIN, SSI, and sub domain create access.
Thanks,

Shane

Shane, don't be too confused, heh. Really, Paul Szymanski's suggestion about popping over to http://freewebspace.net is your best bet. Searchable database of what you want. I also moderate over there at the forums http://freewebspace.net/forums but I'll tell you in advance that if the power search doesn't produce anything, then the reason is most likely due to it not being available.

Read the threads first before posting. people ask the same thing over and over and over. Good luck...

NMCB
03-07-2001, 09:24 PM
portland.co.uk has free hosting with no banners or pop ups, but they have a limit of 15MB disk space and 100MB/month transfer rate. I used their free services years ago, and I have just reopened an account while writing this post. What's good with portland.co.uk is their registration process. All they ask is your domain name and your e-mail address.

I can't remember about their server uptime. Perhaps someone can shed some light on this.

Nicholas Brown
03-08-2001, 03:25 AM
Well, my experience with banner free hosts is that they won't last long.

When I first joined Freedom 2 surf, the service was great - but it has gone down hill so much. They completely wiped one of the servers (svr26) and didn't have any backups - so you should have seen their forums - they closed them and said they were down for upgrades, that was in November :rolleyes:

Datablocks was good to start with, then the MySQL was always down and the server kept being restarted - major downtime. Now John has sold it to some bigger company and they have stuck banner ads onto it.

Portland has never been good. The servers are really slow (and Im in the UK too)

Basically, if you're serious about your website, paid hosting is the ONLY way to go.

PencWeb
03-08-2001, 09:12 AM
Ok, well i understand now chicken.
I do hav my domain hosted by Portland. It is down, and has been for 2 months now, that's y i am looking for another host.
Thank you every1 for your help! That guy who is in charge of the freewebspace.net, cud u search for my needs somewhere? Thanks..

Shane

akashik
03-08-2001, 09:22 AM
Shane,

How about *you* go over to freewebspace yourself and take a look. I'm pretty sure you're going to know what you're looking for better than anyone else.

A big part of this game is research. If you're not willing to put some work into finding the best products for your customers you're dead in the water before you even start.

Greg Moore

Chicken
03-08-2001, 12:37 PM
Use this link Shane...

http://www.freewebspace.net/search/power.shtml

(Also note that I'm not in charge of it, I just moderate a few of the forums over there :))

PencWeb
03-09-2001, 09:09 AM
Ok Greg, i hav been searching for a good host for a couple months now, i'm not lazy like u think i am, not lookin and such. I have checked out freewebspace.net tons of times, and havn't found what i'm lookin for. I still want Portland to host my domain, but my domain won't work with them.
And CHICKEN, i hav done that search already, and it says, "No results". So, i am stuck!

Shane

Chicken
03-09-2001, 01:05 PM
Well, my suggestion is to look into Webdude's $36/yr. plan, or I believe Grdon has a plan similar to that price, or there was a plan listed in the Advertsing Forum for $14/yr. recently that might work for you.

Free? Probably not.

PencWeb
03-09-2001, 01:52 PM
ok, thanks chicken.

what's your yahoo messenger ID?

PencWeb
03-09-2001, 01:56 PM
chicken, what are the Web sites of those two hosts?

PencWeb
03-12-2001, 09:31 AM
CHICKEN, WHAT ARE THE WEB SITE ADDYS FOR THOSE TO HOSTS???

Chicken
03-12-2001, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by nishansoft
ok, thanks chicken.

what's your yahoo messenger ID?

Yikes! I'm getting to ya' (realize that I'm not here *all* day and night, heh -it just seems like it). No yahoo messenger.

The two URLs:
http://www.worldzonepro.net
http://www.hostroute.com/hostingplans.html

-and there was someone who posted a $14/yr. plan in the Advertsing Forum. All these plans are inexpensive and realistically, I'd look into any limitations these plans have (if any).

Both of the above hosts who own the two URL's above post here (are members), so you might find that reassuring.

PencWeb
03-12-2001, 12:05 PM
Thanks dude..

But i was wondering if you knew y my domain does not work right not currently hosted with Portland Communications. My domain is http://www.pencweb.com, the name servers are correct, and i can upload files, but i can't see my site. do u know y??

Shane

akashik
03-12-2001, 01:19 PM
Domain Name: PENCWEB.COM
Registrar: TUCOWS.COM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.opensrs.net
Referral URL: http://www.opensrs.org
Name Server: NS0.PORTLAND.CO.UK
Name Server: NS1.PORTLAND.CO.UK
Updated Date: 26-feb-2001

Are those nameservers acceptable to everyone? Or should they be:

Name Server: NS.PORTLAND.CO.UK
Name Server: NS2.PORTLAND.CO.UK

Shannon,
I rang a traceroute on your domain and got this:

03/13/01 03:06:33 Fast traceroute pencweb.com
Trace pencweb.com failed, no such host

So in short, the domain exists and is registered. It won't however resolve to a website. Either the nameservers above are wrong (just looks odd to me), or Portland have turfed your account. Their site shows up when I go to it so it doesn't appear to be a line problem.

Very strange indeed. Umm, do they have a cap on transfer or anything? Maybe you're shutdown for a while for going over a limit or something...

Greg Moore

P.S. Don't yell at chicken. He does get busy from time to time.

allan
03-12-2001, 01:30 PM
What address do you upload files to?

The name servers may be correct, but neither one has an entry for pencweb.com:

[allan images]$ dig @NS0.PORTLAND.CO.UK pencweb.com axfr

; <<>> DiG 8.2 <<>> @NS0.PORTLAND.CO.UK pencweb.com axfr
; (1 server found)
;; Received 0 answers (0 records).
;; FROM: cyndilauper.version12.net to SERVER: 212.15.64.83
;; WHEN: Mon Mar 12 12:33:01 2001


[allan images]$ dig @NS0.PORTLAND.CO.UK pencweb.com any

; <<>> DiG 8.2 <<>> @NS0.PORTLAND.CO.UK pencweb.com any
; (1 server found)
;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
;; got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 6
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; QUERY SECTION:
;; pencweb.com, type = ANY, class = IN

;; Total query time: 80 msec
;; FROM: cyndilauper.version12.net to SERVER: NS0.PORTLAND.CO.UK 212.15.64.83
;; WHEN: Mon Mar 12 12:33:15 2001
;; MSG SIZE sent: 29 rcvd: 29


I get the same results when I query NS1.PORTLAND.CO.UK.

This tells me you need to have them add a zone file for your domain name, etc.

Good luck.

akashik
03-12-2001, 02:05 PM
;; FROM: cyndilauper.version12.net to SERVER: 212.15.64.83


I guess she wasn't selling records any more and had moved into hosting as well *lol*

Greg Moore

allan
03-12-2001, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by akashik

;; FROM: cyndilauper.version12.net to SERVER: 212.15.64.83


I guess she wasn't selling records any more and had moved into hosting as well *lol*


You can blame it on my wife. When we started Version12 I explained to her the practice of developing a naming convention for servers (my old employer used spiders for web servers and norse gods for internal servers).

She insisted on picking the naming convention, and she wanted 80s singers. I thought it was kind of quirky :D.

I think we might be carrying it a bit too far though :D. We are going to open a support forum in the next 7-10 days, and she insisted that we follow the same type of scheme for member levels ie:

1-10 Posts Falco
11-20 Posts Wilson Phillips
21-40 Posts Bon Jovi

and so on...

(the idea being that the more you post the better -- in terms of hits -- the musician you get is).

I'm not so sure how well that will go over ;).

akashik
03-12-2001, 03:34 PM
hehe,

your wife sounds like an interesting person to say the least :)

Greg Moore

PencWeb
03-12-2001, 05:39 PM
Ok akashik, u hav been a lot of real good help!
Well, i thought that NS1.PORTLAND.CO.UK would work cuz i got that from their web site. But i will try: NS.PORTLAND.CO.UK
instead of the other one.
I don't know what a cap on transfer is, and they wudn't tell me if i asked. They don't reply to your e-mails and the Forums are no help to me (theirs).
No i didn't go over any bandwidth, or space limit so it cudn't be that.
how do i add a zone file for my domain name?
And i wasn't meaning to *yell* at chicken. I just wanted him to read that message without passin it up..
Thank you all, and please write more to this thread for help!

Shannon

allan
03-12-2001, 05:57 PM
Sahnnon,

You can't add zone files. The host has to do that. You also need to find out from them what DNS servers you should use, and not just pick random servers :).

Also,you might want to correct your signature, so it reads .com, not .co

NMCB
03-12-2001, 08:48 PM
Accoring to a recent e-mail that I received from portland.co.uk, the domain needs to use the following DNS information:

ns0.portland.co.uk 212.15.64.83
ns1.portland.co.uk 212.15.64.25

Good luck.

PencWeb
03-12-2001, 09:11 PM
Hi uuallan,

Well, i doubt i'll be able to add a zone file by asking my host (via e-mail). They seem dead over there in england, no response to anyone. I hav access to my DNS settings, can i add a zone file there? And what do u mean "Find out from them what DNS servers i shud use"? I didn't have a choice on which server i wanted wen i signed up - it was an automatic thing, they probably don't even know that they host my domain.
yeh, i hav already noticed my spelling mistake in my web site addy pencweb.CO instead of .COM. I was just to lazy to change it, but i did fix it.
Thanks..

-Shannon (male)

PencWeb
03-12-2001, 09:13 PM
oh by the way, your web site images failed - just thought i shud let ya know!
And NMCB, did Portland contact you personaly? That seems impossible cuz they won't reply to anyone i know.

allan
03-13-2001, 12:12 PM
Shannon,

If they won't reply to your e-mails, then you are, unfortunately, out of luck. They control the DNS and the server where your site is hosted. So, even if you transfer your domain to different DNS servers no one, but them will know where to point the A record for your www entry to.

Your best bet is to find a new host that fits your needs. Several people in this thread have mentioned other free hosts that might work for you.

Thanks for the feedback regarding our site, but where did you see broken images? All the images appear to load fine in both Explorer and Netscape.

PencWeb
03-13-2001, 12:37 PM
Allan,

Yeh, i realize that it looks like i am out of luck. But i just called Portland, and she said that their server was hacked, and they are workin on my site now to be fixed, and it shud be back up by tomorrow - i am real happy to know that FINALLY it will work. So i don't think i am gonna switch hosts anymore - for now i'm gonna stick to Portland till i buy my own server. Thanks for your help Allan, and to everyone else.
The images that didn't load was on YOUR web site http://www.version12.net. Not webhostingtalk.com. Why didn't they load?
I have one more question, do you know where i can get FREE DSL? I understand that u i hav to buy the modem from them, but i really want free dsl, or cable.
And i know u hav a hosting business; where do u buy fast connections such as T3, and OC-3??

-Shane

allan
03-13-2001, 01:30 PM
Thats good, glad you got it back up and running.

I figured you were talking about our site, but I was unable to find any broken images. Which page on our site did you see them?

Thanks!

TheWingThing
03-13-2001, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by uuallan
Originally posted by akashik

;; FROM: cyndilauper.version12.net to SERVER: 212.15.64.83


I guess she wasn't selling records any more and had moved into hosting as well *lol*


You can blame it on my wife. When we started Version12 I explained to her the practice of developing a naming convention for servers (my old employer used spiders for web servers and norse gods for internal servers).

She insisted on picking the naming convention, and she wanted 80s singers. I thought it was kind of quirky :D.

I think we might be carrying it a bit too far though :D. We are going to open a support forum in the next 7-10 days, and she insisted that we follow the same type of scheme for member levels ie:

1-10 Posts Falco
11-20 Posts Wilson Phillips
21-40 Posts Bon Jovi

and so on...

(the idea being that the more you post the better -- in terms of hits -- the musician you get is).

I'm not so sure how well that will go over ;).





What? No Aishwarya Rai (http://www.aishwaryarai.com)?

Wing.

TheWingThing
03-13-2001, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by TheWingThing

What? No Aishwarya Rai (http://www.aishwaryarai.com)?

Wing. [/B]

Hi,
After posting, I felt the above post was unrelated to the thread and I was digressing the discussion. So I tried to delete the post.

1. I clicked on edit/delete

2. In the next screen, I selected "Delete Post", entered my user id and password and clicked submit.

3. The next screen said that I'm not logged in, and presented just two text fields - for user name and password.
I typed my user name and password and submitted it.

4. The next screen said that I haven't selected a post and gave a drop down list of all forums. I selected "General Web Hosting".

5. I was taken to the "General Web hosting" forum where you see the list of threads.

6. Then I clicked on this post. Then I scrolled down to my initial post ("What? No...").

7. Read again from step 1.

BC, Kunal, Chicken, MattF - What could be the problem? Why am I unable to delete a thread that I posted? I have cookies enabled. So that shouldn't be the problem.

And guys, I'm sorry for digressing the thread with the initial post. (But Aishwarya Rai is too irresistible, ya know).

Wing.

PencWeb
03-13-2001, 03:22 PM
Well, allan all the images on your Web site failed (well @ least 90% of them). Are u sure they are workin?

Well, the question i asked b4 was, Do you know of a FREE DSL/cable company? And where can u buy fast connections for servers like T3, and OC-3?

Shannon

allan
03-13-2001, 03:34 PM
The work fine for me, and we have had no other complaints..that is strange.

All the free DSL companies have gone Belly Up. So you won't find FreeDSL anywhere :). If you are looking for a DSL host, check out:

http://www.dslreports.com/

They have most providers listed.

You can get a T3 or OC3+ from most major backbone providers. Check out:

http://www.uu.net
http://www.psi.net
http://www.sprint.com
http://www.cw.com

You also might get some leads for high speed connections from Boardwatch: http://www.boardwatch.com

Chicken
03-13-2001, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by TheWingThing
BC, Kunal, Chicken, MattF - What could be the problem? Why am I unable to delete a thread that I posted? I have cookies enabled. So that shouldn't be the problem.

Wing, Matt just changed something re: members deleting posts (but I thought it was just threads, not individual posts themselves).

PencWeb
03-14-2001, 09:12 AM
Allan, i wasn't really complaining about the failed images, i was just lettin ya know cuz webmasters wud want to be told about that. I saw the site using AOL 5.0 for Mac. Have you tested it on that OS, and browser?
Thanks for the links.
i have a question about web servers; If there is a storm outside (lighting), would i have to turn off the server computer cuz lighting cud come thru the outlet into the computer? and what about if u want to install software on your server, and once u install it u have to quit other apps, and restart, does that interfeer with hosting domains?

Shannon

allan
03-14-2001, 09:30 AM
We've tested the site using a MAC, but not with AOL, thanks for the tip.

The answer is no: If you are going to host web sites on a server you ceretainly don't want to have to take it down because it is raining:

Dear Valued Web Hosting Customer,

On Friday March 16th and Saturday March 17th, your site was unavailable from approximately 6:00PM to 3:00AM because it was raining outside. We removed the server and placed it in our storm shelter to protect the data. The storm actually ended around 1:00AM, but we couldn't hear because we were in the storm shelter protecting the sever.

Thank you for your understanding.


See, that wouldn't go over very well. If you are going to have a web server, and host sites other sites on it, you should, at a minimum, have an industrial strength surge protector. You should also have some sort of UPS in the event of a power outage.

If you have a web server it should be a dedicated web server, so there should not be any other applications on it. As far as having to reboot the server after installing new applications that is going to depend on the Operating System. If you are running Linux or FreeBSD (which is what most people on this board are running), you should not have to reboot after installing most software. 98% of the time the most you will have to do is restart a service. As far as interfering wiht hosting domains it should not because the web server process will run as a daemon (or service in Windows NT nomenclature). So it runs automatically in the background and starts up automatically.

PencWeb
03-14-2001, 01:59 PM
Allan,

Your welcome about the "tip". It really wasn't a tip; more like a feedback.
The example to a pretend customer was funny :) I didn't think u wud take down the server cuz of a storm, i knew that there was somethin that cud let u keep it up. How would i get a industrial strength surge protector, and how much?
I am new with server info, and i appreciate your help. I am thinkin about buying a server later this year, but i need some money..
If i own my web server, how would i have a dedicated web server? I thought that was wen some1 has it @ their house or office, and they maintain it for you, but u have control, and u tell them what u want on it etc..
That's really cool that Linux and FreeBSD allows you most of the time not to restart the computer after installing software - thanks for the tip(s). But wot do u mean 98% of the time the most you will have to do is restart a service?
Thank you for your time..

Shannon

Chicken
03-14-2001, 11:04 PM
A couple of things. One, you'll need constant power, no matter what. That means UPS battery type backup, and a power generator for outages longer than whatever the battery can provide.

Two, a server typically has a few servers on it. Web server (httpd), FTP, SQL, etc... and changing something relating to the web server just means you have to restart httpd, not reboot the entire machine.

This is the ultra quickie answer and I'm sure someone will be more than happy to provide you a much better, and longer, explanation.

PencWeb
03-15-2001, 08:18 PM
Thanks for the info chicken, u hav been good help.
What is SQL? I've seen it everywhere on the net, but i don't know what it is. And where can i buy a back-up battery? i have a generator so that helps.

Shannon

Chicken
03-15-2001, 09:37 PM
Popular: http://www.mysql.com (there are various versions, this is just a common one - free!)

UPS: small versions can be picked up at local computer store (saw one recently at CompUSA - I think - for $39 after rebates which is really good), which might give you 20-40 minutes of power.

Example:
http://shop3.outpost.com/product/53277 - APC UPS UNIT

Just a picture of a bigger one :) :
http://www.vdi.net/tour/page4.html - APC UPS UNIT

PencWeb
03-15-2001, 11:19 PM
Thanks Chicken and Allan - u guys hav been lots of help.
Just out of curiousity; what is your both ASL?
14/m/wi-USA

Chicken
03-16-2001, 10:01 PM
Slight correction. That $39 UPS was an IBM somethingsomething 500 (goes for about $99 w/o rebates), and only gives you 5 min. full/17 min. half power which is barely enough time to run out to paw's shed and pull start the generator.

As for ASL, errr... we really try to not do this here, but if you must wonder... 30/m/Southern CA-USA

PencWeb
03-17-2001, 08:50 AM
Thanks Chicken - but i probably will buy a UPS that can last over an hour.
What's so wrong with givin your ASL away? Did u expect me 2 be 14 wen i told u?

Shannon

PencWeb
03-17-2001, 08:55 AM
Chicken,

Tell me what you think about this server for hosting domains..

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1222591179

akashik
03-17-2001, 09:11 AM
wtf is that white thing in that picture? Looks like the box I listen to my daughter sleeping with :)

Greg Moore

Chicken
03-17-2001, 12:44 PM
That 'white thing' is the server, and no, I don't think this is what you want (at least I wouldn't buy it).

Goes for $995 at:
http://shop.rebel.com/configs.cfm?id=nw2100

http://shop.rebel.com

akashik
03-17-2001, 02:23 PM
Chicken,

That doesn't look good - I assumed the server was just the black rack looking thing under it. Hehe, looks like something you could pick up from ToysRUs.

Greg Moore

PencWeb
03-17-2001, 08:49 PM
That's funny what you two hav to say about it, "Looks like something from Toys R us". HEHE!! Well, what's wrong with the server? It looks good enuff..

Shannon

DHWWnet
03-17-2001, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by akashik
wtf is that white thing in that picture? Looks like the box I listen to my daughter sleeping with :)

Greg Moore



:emlaugh:

Chicken
03-18-2001, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by nishansoft
It looks good enuff..

For what?

The CPU, a StrongARM SA-110, is available at five speeds, ranging from 100 MHz to 233 MHz. According to Intel, it is ideally suited for "a wide range of embedded applications, including high-bandwidth network switching, intelligent office machines, storage systems and remote access devices. It is also a cost-effective solution for internet appliances and smart handheld products such as handheld personal computers (HPCs) and mobile phones.

Hell, if it's powerful enough for a cell phone, I'd imagine it should be able to power a web server? :)

allan
03-18-2001, 11:35 PM
Shannon,

To get see what Chicken means, take a look at this:

http://www.penguincomputing.com/store/quickship.php?tid=R100A

$300 less and it has 4 times the amount of RAM, plus a much faster processor.

Also, unless you really know what you are doing stay away from non-Intel chips for your Linux servers. Many softeare packages are pre-compiled for the Intel platform which makes installing and getting support for them a lot easier.

PencWeb
03-19-2001, 09:26 AM
Thanks a lot Allan, and Chicken; you guys hav been major help. I was goin to buy that "white thing" once i hav enuff money, but i guess i won't. I didn't know it didn't have a intel chip or whatever, that makes it suck. Chicken, you said about that computer that is $300 less? Well, the link Allan gave me wasn't that one. If you could, please send the link to that really cool server.
Thanks again dudes

Shannon

Chicken
03-20-2001, 01:01 AM
That was Allan who posted something about $300 less. Ohh, and note that the StrongARM is an Intel chip, just that it doesn't seem to be a very powerful one.

Put it his way, what spec server are you looking for and/or how much are you looking to spend and I'm sure I or another member will be able to shoot you towards a better direction.

Someone was selling two RaQ servers (the RaQ3 might work for you?), and I have one I'd like to sell if you are really interested (but I don't have it yet, needs to be shipped to me).

Other than RaQs, I'll wait until you let us know what you are looking for.

allan
03-20-2001, 07:17 AM
Originally posted by Chicken
That was Allan who posted something about $300 less. Ohh, and note that the StrongARM is an Intel chip, just that it doesn't seem to be a very powerful one.


I'm sorry, let me clarify. The Penguin Computing server I pointed out is $300 less than the retail price of the NetWinder Server. I didn't mean to confuse :).

Chicken -- I didn't realize that StrongARM was an Intel-based chip...my apologies to all for the bad information.

PencWeb
03-20-2001, 12:40 PM
Ok Chicken, thanks for the info about the RaQ servers.
I really havn't done much research on servers, so i don't know what to look for. I just want a server that can host domains, about maybe up to 30 or so. I need about 15 gig, at least 64mb ram, at least 400mhz, stuff like that. It doesnt have to be necessarily a rack mount type. And it can cost around $300 - 400. I know that sounds way to low, but i am not loaded, and i am tryin to gain more money. Thats y i was lookin into that "white thing" on ebay, cos it was around there in price.
Ok Allan, i understand now about the $300 less things.

Thanks Chicken, and everyone else.

Shannon

allan
03-21-2001, 09:34 AM
Shannon -- the reason that no one responded the first time you posted this message is that its doubtful you will find such a server in that price range.

You can check out eMachines:

http://www.e4me.com/infocentral/product_etower600is.html

But to match the price you are looking for, your best bet is to try to build the system yourself.

You might be able to put together a Celeron system with a 15 gig hard drive for about $400, but I think you would be cutting it close.

PencWeb
03-21-2001, 02:04 PM
Yeh thanks allan, i was wonderin y no one wud reply to my message :)
I am not to fond of e-machines, but i will check it out anyway. I know that i was askin for such a little price for a good machine, but its worth a try lol.
Thanks for the info on how i cud built my own server computer. But where wud i buy the parts etc..?

Thanks,

Shannon

Chicken
03-21-2001, 08:04 PM
To be honest, you are probably better off leasing a server at a place like http://www.4webspace.com -you would get the server, plus the transfer included. If you are only working with $400-ish, then things like colo setup fees, rack fees, plus bandwidth will tear into your wallet, even before you choose a mobo.

PencWeb
03-22-2001, 09:23 AM
Thanks a lot Chicken. But if i wanted to build my own system, where wud i do that?
And i just made a new design for my web site, i want to know what u, and allan think of it: http://www.pencweb.com

Shannon

allan
03-22-2001, 10:17 AM
Well, if you have a local computer shop your best bet would be to head there and start getting prices and information about building your own system. Trying to describe how to build your own system is way beyond the scope of this board.

If you do not have a local dealer you can work with I recommend reading Tom's Hardware Guide (http://www.tomshardware.com/) as a great starting point. He has a lot of great reviews, and there is information on the site about building your own machine, etc.

That being said, Chicken is right, you would probably be better off starting off with a RaQ from http://www.4webspace.com or someone else. There is a lot more to running a web host then just being able to build a machine and have a fast connection to it. Remember, many people's businesses depend on their website. If host cheap hardware, over a connection that is not designed for business services you are doing them a disservice, and you may have trouble attracting customers.
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I don't want you to think I am discouraging from this business, because its a great business, and there is plenty of room for innovative new companies. Its just important, as with any business, to make sure you think your business plan through.
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The new site looks nice. It loads a little slow, but I'm sure that's because of the hosting service. Although this conversation is probably better in the Web Site Critiques forum.

tonyag
03-22-2001, 12:24 PM
I wish that there was some free hosting service available, but unfortunately there isnt. But what I can tell is that I have been hosted with this company called AIT, for 3 years now and I've been paying the same price but the only thing that changes with them is the features you recieve are upgraded to more. So you pay less for more features. I only pay $18.95 a month. I recieve everything you need plus more for this price. So you can check them out at aitcom.net.

allan
03-22-2001, 12:28 PM
Tony, there are actually a lot of free hosting providers available. As was pointed out earlier, you can take a look at: http://freewebspace.net to find some of them :).

PencWeb
03-22-2001, 05:26 PM
Thanks Allan for your help.
I think i might look into that e-machine u gave me a link to instead of a deticated server; i am not able to make monthly payments; especially like $99+.
Thanks for all your info, and links. Do you know the rebate info on that 600is machine? If its all mail in, i probably will maybe buy that one later.
And yeh, the reason my site is a little slow is cos my host has almost 200,000 sites hosted, and plus i doubt they hav a fast connection. And the reason i gave my link to you on this category is cos i didnt wanna waste my time makin a new thread just to show u my site.
later dude

Shannon

Duster
03-22-2001, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by tonyag
But what I can tell is that I have been hosted with this company called AIT, for 3 years now and I've been paying the same price but the only thing that changes with them is the features you recieve are upgraded to more. So you pay less for more features. I only pay $18.95 a month. I recieve everything you need plus more for this price.
You're absolutely right, tony. The apathetic indifference, incompetence, apathy, and billing errors never change and come at no additional cost with every account. So too does the churlish and irresponsible behavior from the head of customer (dis)service.

Apathetic Incompetent Tantrum throwing dolts.

PencWeb
03-22-2001, 10:30 PM
Allan, or Chicken; i found a site that says about "Free Web Servers" and i am confused how their services work. Will they actually send me thru the mail a web server for free? And wots the catch?
Heres the web site: http://www.efreeservers.com

Thanks!

Shannon

allan
03-22-2001, 10:56 PM
Shannon,

No sorry...

http://www.efreeservers.com/company.htm

You have to buy colocated bandwidth from them starting at $299 a month:

http://cobalt.efreeservers.com/order.htm

PencWeb
03-23-2001, 09:05 AM
Ok thanks allan, i knew that it cant REALLY be "free".

Below is a recent post from me :)
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Thanks Allan for your help.
I think i might look into that e-machine u gave me a link to instead of a deticated server; i am not able to make monthly payments; especially like $99+.
Thanks for all your info, and links. Do you know the rebate info on that 600is machine? If its all mail in, i probably will maybe buy that one later.
And yeh, the reason my site is a little slow is cos my host has almost 200,000 sites hosted, and plus i doubt they hav a fast connection. And the reason i gave my link to you on this category is cos i didnt wanna waste my time makin a new thread just to show u my site.
later dude

Shannon

JayC
03-23-2001, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by Duster
Apathetic Incompetent Tantrum throwing dolts. [/B]Another thing that doesn't change, apparently, is AIT employees coming to the forum posing as customers and posting stealth advertisements. And in this case, doing so completely off-topic; in a thread devoted to dedicated servers an AIT drone tries to sell a virtual hosting account. A testament, I suppose, to the cluelessness housed at AIT.

allan
03-23-2001, 01:58 PM
Shannon,

It looks like you have to signup for Compuserver for 3 years to get the rebate:

http://www.e4me.com/specialoffers/rebate.html

Its probably not worth it.

PencWeb
03-23-2001, 05:36 PM
Thanks allan for looking. THAT REALLY SUCKS that u have to signup with Compuserve for 3 dang years. I hav AOL, and im NOT switching to a stupid ISP :)
I have a question for you allan, or anyone else that knows:
Which is a better connection if i use NetWinder to host domains? Cable, or DSL ? (no other option)

-- Shannon

allan
03-23-2001, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by nishansoft

I have a question for you allan, or anyone else that knows:
Which is a better connection if i use NetWinder to host domains? Cable, or DSL ? (no other option)


Honestly, neither :). If you are going to do it, your best bet is to talk to friends or neighbors in your area who have one or the other and find out which of the two services is more reliable. The more reliable service is going to vary from area to area.

PencWeb
03-24-2001, 09:24 AM
Ok thanks Allan!
My host has a "member portal" and this guy posted something about me, and its very stupid, and annoying.
Please read it, and give me some good pointers to reply to that thread:
http://portal.portland.co.uk/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.pl?board=freewebdiscussion&action=display&num=372




Shannon

allan
03-25-2001, 01:19 AM
I wouldn't respond. It's obvious from the moderator's comments that the guy isd being removed, and not only does he not know what he is talking about, he appears to be unable to articulate his thoughts in a clear concise manner. In fact the majority of his boast borders on incomprehensible.

Someone like that is their own worst enemy, if you cannot express yourself clearly, why would anyone take you seriously.

PencWeb
03-26-2001, 08:58 AM
Yeh Allan, i agree - i thought it wud be best NOT to reply to his stupid thread. Man, he is soooo stupid. I know i shudnt have made a new thread regarding his, but i cudnt let him get the last laugh. So i made a new thread that has the subject "Kicking Bernie". If you wanna see it, go here:
http://portal.portland.co.uk/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.pl?board=freewebdiscussion&action=display&num=377

Later dude!

Shannon